Fukuda will date Aoki's sister.
Bakuman
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Hiramaru's part was funny, the rest wasn't bad, but felt weird. I don't like the fact that every single old author is going to the "oh shadowy guy" and making interesting stories, as if it was that easy, but huh, we'll see how they'll deal with it. But it's clearly bond to fail from the start.
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Does anyone know what the top 4 Shonen magazines are? I know for sure what three of them are: Shonen Jump, Shonen Magazine and Shonen Sunday. But what's the fourth one? My personal bet is Monthly Shonen Gangan the magazine which published FMA and Soul Eater among others but that magazine wasn't created until 1991 so I don't think it's old enough. If anyone can clear this up it'd be much appreciated.
Anyway I thought the chapter was actually pretty good and I'm interested to see where Ohba is going to go with this.
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I am interested in the plotline of the mystery kid inciting a revolution of the old guard, but I just really can't get behind the whole concept of ''this panty fighter will be the next social phenomenon!'' angle. It just makes me clench my fist and go ''Japan…!!!''
Miyoshi, however, was pretty funny this week.
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Miyosh spoke my mind!!
One other thing, WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT AGE?
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God I'm getting tired of Hiramaru.
Also Kaya seems to have read my mind.
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I am interested in where they are going with this. I'm pretty sure a team Fukuda march into jump demanding that they stop a few series due to them being made by old dudes wouldn't be that great.
Also, it kinda kills my buzz for the new series they are wanting to create if a ton of other people do it first. Are all of these new old people stories going to be like the panty one? I know they could always just do it better than the rest, but just how many non-mainstream but still mainstream series are going to debut before they get a crack at it?
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This old age thing is pretty annoying for me personally. I mean geez, Noboyuki Fukumoto is 52 years old and he's presented some of his best work in his late 40s and early 50s. And don't get me stated on Kentaro Miura. Quit treating these men like pathetic has-beans, manga.
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And both of them write seinen.
There are plenty - PLENTY - of magazines for older mangaka to write in.
What is being argued is whether or not Shonen Jump ought to have 4 authors over the age of 40. Not whether older folks can write good manga, but whether Shonen Jump should be the one to feature them – and I think this chapter presented both sides of the argument pretty fairly. That said -- it's clear something is pretty fishy about all this.
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Nuh-uh. Kentaro I'll give you but Fukumoto has many shonen works. Right now he's working on Zero which is released in weekly shonen. And though some of his works are seinen, the non-mahjong related ones wouldn't be out of place in a shonen comic because of how shoneny it really feels. What about Araki and his Jojo series? And Togashi is no spring chicken either (whenever he works).
My point is that age shouldn't be an issue as real live proves as much.
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Yoshida is awesome. And dirty old men. That is all.
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Man, Japan is pretty pervy huh? Bit of an odd chapter really.
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Yoshida and Miyoshi make me happy.
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@Thousand:
What about Araki and his Jojo series?
Araki's immortal, he doesn't count.
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I'm not overly fond of the -ism's going on here. Ageism and sexism are both proudly on display and its a bit annoying. The sexism has been there all along, but up to a point it canbe waved off by a "this is a 14 year old boy's POV series" but… when not only Miho has become a trophy to be won upon becoming successful, but Aoki is pretty much being relegated to that status too... As fun as Hirimaru is, the gag is really getting old and stale, especially at the cost of other characters. Teaming him up with Nakai was a stroke of genius, but it isn't really being used that well.
As for the ageism, well, Ohba is 50 and Obata is 42, so I suppose they know where they're coming from in this particular debate, but its still awkward.
@Thousand:
Blegh, why is Eiji on the cover instead of Mashiro's girlfriend? I guess she's such a bland pretty doll that the authors couldn't even have her eat watermelon in a goofy pose.
Because its not in her personality to do that. And you know, she can't even see Mashiro for uhm… reasons.
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I was joking but she appeared before? I really don't remember.
I think this is the first time Aoki having a sister has ever been mentioned.
…as a motivational trophy. Sigh.
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@RobbyBevard:
Because its not in her personality to do that. And you know, she can't even see Mashiro for uhm… reasons.
That's what's wrong with her character-__-
And it's a colour spread not canon material. I'm pretty sure the Straw Hat crew have never been to a lego island with an albatross foreman.
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Also, it bothers me a little bit that there's an evil mastermind behind all these old timers coming in. It'd be one thing if one guy came back in, and then motivated his peers… but for it to be some sort of Nanamine style scheme... takes away from it. Especially when Nanamine was just one short arc ago.
@Thousand:
And it's a colour spread not canon material. I'm pretty sure the Straw Hat crew have never been to a lego island with an albatross foreman.
Sure they have. All the cover stories are legit side adventures that actually happen in between the big adventures, but aren't important enough to be showcased for more than a panel. That includes the Strawhats playing with animals.
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If Azuki was on the colourspread instead of Eiji, watermelon would go sour and everyone would choke on seeds.
Just now I have seen the scans of Charaman - Bakuman databook. Mostly your usual supplementary book, with character profiles, manga profiles, interviews with Mashiro and Takagi, messages from Ohba to Obata and vice versa, yonkoma about Hiramaru and Hisashi, and, suddenly, with a colourspread gallery. Probably, the most important piece of info is the timeline - story started in 2008, and now it's 2014.
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@RobbyBevard:
I think this is the first time Aoki having a sister has ever been mentioned.
…as a motivational trophy. Sigh.
Personally, I doubt that Aoki even has a sister. It wouldn't be the first time that Yoshida's lied to get Hiramaru to work.
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^That's exactly it. Material for another terrible "get to work" gag. I really hope this guy's popularity drops or something… that way we can see someone else at work for a change.
And no. I don't really give a shit if Mishiro's girl isn't on the cover. Don't care and it's not really that big of an issue to go all serious on. She's usually on those boring "our dreams" color pages anyway.
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First Weekly Shounen Jump then the world.
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Personally, I doubt that Aoki even has a sister. It wouldn't be the first time that Yoshida's lied to get Hiramaru to work.
I believe she's real due to the fact that Hiramaru's already heard about her.
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I don't really agree that Aoki is being depicted in a sexist manner. She's a pretty strong character on her own. Hiramura's relationship with her took off when he told Yoshida's she's not just a trophy and he asked her out on his own. Yoshida just plays on Hiramura's natrual pessimism to scare him into thinking the worst / overthinking at all times. He's promising the "sister" as a trophy to Nakai because Nakai is a fat disgusting sexist pig, so something like promising him a pretty girl he doesn't even know is enticing.
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Yes, but every single time we've seen Aoki for the last.. 15 or 20 chapters… it hasn't been as strong independant character like she was. It's almost always been as a comedy trophy prize for Hirimaru to shoot for.
"Do well and I'll set you up for a tea date" "Keep going and you can be an assistant to her for a week" "Do well and I'll set you up to have her call you a nickname" "Do well and I'll set you up for marriage!" "Do well and I'll set your assistant up with her sister!"
Which might be funny if she was still completely oblivious like she was and kept ending up with Fukuda whenever Hirimaru tried something... but its been an ongoing gag, and a pretty one note one, for a while now. Great as Hirimaru's antics are... the same repetition is getting tiresome. Yes, Hirimaru earned it with that one chapter where he bought a new car and planned a crazy date and stuff, but....
Doesn't help that our lead hero character is ALSO promised into marriage with a girl he never interacts with if he becomes successful and gets an anime. (But as someone said about Eiji... its easier to take in if you just accept all the characters are crazy and go overboard with their jobs beyond any reasonable limit.)
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Hmm well with Miho, I almost view her as a non-entity in the series. I agree that Mashiro / Miho's relationship is ridiculous, but I'm at least comforted that other characters like Kaya point this out on occasion.
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The writer pointing out that they're aware something is stupid doesn't make it any less stupid…. it just points out that the writer is aware it's stupid and isn't doing anything about it.
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I don't really see anyone as "trophies" for some reason. Maybe it's my standards.
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@RobbyBevard:
Yes, but every single time we've seen Aoki for the last.. 15 or 20 chapters… it hasn't been as strong independant character like she was. It's almost always been as a comedy trophy prize for Hirimaru to shoot for.
"Do well and I'll set you up for a tea date" "Keep going and you can be an assistant to her for a week" "Do well and I'll set you up to have her call you a nickname" "Do well and I'll set you up for marriage!" "Do well and I'll set your assistant up with her sister!"
Which might be funny if she was still completely oblivious like she was and kept ending up with Fukuda whenever Hirimaru tried something... but its been an ongoing gag, and a pretty one note one, for a while now. Great as Hirimaru's antics are... the same repetition is getting tiresome. Yes, Hirimaru earned it with that one chapter where he bought a new car and planned a crazy date and stuff, but....
Doesn't help that our lead hero character is ALSO promised into marriage with a girl he never interacts with if he becomes successful and gets an anime. (But as someone said about Eiji... its easier to take in if you just accept all the characters are crazy and go overboard with their jobs beyond any reasonable limit.)
She did have a non-trophy based appearance in her Iwase's chapter at least.
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I just view Miho and Mashiro as equally stupid characters. That doesn't mean I don't like Mashiro as a character, just that his thought process is ridiculous. I don't see that as a flaw in the writing. The writer is aware it's stupid and has other characters address how ridiculous it is….but people do stupid and ridiculous things in real life....so it's not a flaw in the writing in my opinion. I struggle to view Miho as a character in the series because we just don't see her at all.
I don't really agree with the Aoki as a trophy thing either. I honestly think it's over analyzing a bit.
Other than Takagi's speach in the second chapter, I really don't see the sexism in Bakuman that some see. Sure there's Nakai, but he's a repugnant, disgusting pig.
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@Vongola_Boss_XI:
I just view Miho and Mashiro as equally stupid characters. That doesn't mean I don't like Mashiro as a character, just that his thought process is ridiculous. I don't see that as a flaw in the writing. The writer is aware it's stupid and has other characters address how ridiculous it is….but people do stupid and ridiculous things in real life....so it's not a flaw in the writing in my opinion. I struggle to view Miho as a character in the series because we just don't see her at all.
The women are basically non-entities.
You'd think that Miho, the main heroine and the person who we're supposed to see as a motivation for Mashiro's work - hell, the entire crux the premise of the series is built upon - would be more of a character. You don't view her as a character because she isn't one. We don't know her. We know she wanted to be a seiyuu, but don't know why, like we know why Mashiro wants to be a mangaka. We know Mashiro likes her, but we don't really care. We know she's gone through some rough spots, but largely she's been absent from the narrative. She appears long enough to say a line or two and remind Mashiro that he's doing all this for a reason, but as far as I'm concerned she could be an object and the story would feel little different.
The goal of the story could be changed from Mashiro marrying Miho to Mashiro just wanting to get an anime and little would change.
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The goal of the story could be changed from Mashiro marrying Miho to Mashiro just wanting to get an anime and little would change.
"Well, my uncle who I looked up to, gave me this studio before he died… but not before I promised I'd become the king of manga and get an anime!" holds about as much weight as the current marriage promise does.
The marriage promise is actually worse since its that whole mixing your life with buisness thing thats a constant problem for these idiots. They haven't even told their editor about it beyond "we want an anime!". If Hattori knew what was involved in their motive, he surely would have talked sense into them by now.
Especially considering the Beta couple went and got married a while ago without any problems, while the two leads haven't even kissed yet. You'd think they were Takehashi characters.
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That's one of the things I hate about Bakuman. It's another reason why I'm thinking of dropping it before it ends. It's the characters. Aside from team Muto, Team Himamaru, and Hattori from the editors… everyone else is flat. This wasn't a problem before since there were story threads that related to particular character, but now it seems none of that even mattered at all since it was more of a "one time" situation.
Nakia was one of my favorite dudes because he put alot of effort and pride for in his work, despite being a cocky and killing himself over something so shallow(Aoki). Imperfect character that was perfect at work. That's the kinda thing I like about characters(pros and cons). Now I can't see him the same anymore because his time is reduced to gags that involve his fixation with women and screwing up. That's not why I loved ya man. Why do you do this me?
Fukuda... Well, he was always Fukuda. But he's flat. His only character involves him screaming on the phone. But this brings up another case. It's because he's working for Jump and apparently a rival of Muto that makes him "a character" unlike Miho. Get serialized, keep steady ranking, follow dreams. This is something every other author shares and because of this, there's rarely ever a need to have more stories centered around them. They are backdrop characters.
Editors. Aside from Hattori, Muria and obviously Yoshida(due to the amount of times his repetitive antics are shoved down my throat), everyone has the same exact personality. Even Namamine's editor fell into this backdrop after the his spotlight was turned off. I almost didn't notice him the last chapter.
I dunno. It's getting to a point in this series in where I don't care of any newly introduced character now. There's always qualities about them I like, but it pains me to see them be pushed aside later on. Atleast Tageki and Kaya are still fun. Mashiro is fun too, but... His big attempts at resolve barely works out for him. It's like the author is saving it all for the end of the series of something.
( I'm not good at memorizing heavily Japanese names... sorry for the misspellings)
I hate to say it, but this series is a mess right now. Atleast for me.
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I tend to agree. I realized as I was typing "the girls are nonentities" that really, MOST of the characters are.
Bakuman's characters, while amusing, leave much to be desired when it comes to depth. The characters get their one arc of attention, and proceed to keep their heads above the water for the rest of the manga.
Sometimes it feels like the manga is much more about the journey than anyone in it.
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Sometimes it feels like the manga is much more about the journey than anyone in it.
Well… it kind of is.
Its a slice of life series with a specific goal in mind. Its always at its best when its just dealing with the creation process. Coming up with new ideas, (including ones that get rejected) things that can be done to improve the art, behind the scenes of a real studio, seeing messy rooms full of papers, talking about the strengths and weaknesses of certain kinds of storytelling, or being all metaphorical about how they really are giving their entire lives to this, 7 days a week with no vacations and just being HONEST about the industry and how much you have to love it to be in it... That's when Bakuman really thrives and its a near perfect series... its especially a love letter to me on a weekly basis.
But when its just the characters being wacky and its a full blown comedy series... well... its completely different and loses everything that makes it interesting and it might as well be Sazae-san or the Simpsons.
Still one of my favorite series running, but it IS getting repetitive. Yes, thats part and partial to the actual industry and the dayjob being what it is, but... there's got to be some other way to mix things up than to constantly bring in new rivals for a single arc. Its mostly a problem because the leads (and the entire side cast) have hit a comfort zone where they're guaranteed employment and success... they just aren't guaranteed to be the very top.
When every named character is shuffling around the top 5 spots among one another... thats just not terribly interesting. What about all the guys in the bottom 10? Can something ELSE enter their lives to mix things up? (Kaya being pregnant would have been such an element, but with the timeframe that seems to have passed as just a cold after all.)
(Which is, actually, why it'd be interesting to see Miho, her profession and climb are different from everyone else's... but she pretty much hit success, and has been offered lead roles, and is just stalling for our leads to get an anime, so that's boring now too.)
I like watching these guys go down the road with hard work and watching them grow up and age and change and love the series, but it needs to do something different with itself soon.
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If Mashiro ever goes to a college party and hooks up with a girl that had a crush on him in school…
This manga would fall apart faster than any random arc of Fairy Tail.
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We already had that when Tageki broke up with dog boy and proceeded to have an embarrassing bromance Mashiro.
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Oh man Silence, Hiroy, you guys took the words right out of my mouth.
Also Bakuman's "villains" tend to be either relatively uninvolved to the main characters themselves (Koogy, the True Human guy) or such a not considered an actual threat (such as Nanamine).
Really, what was the point of ever giving panel time to the True Human guy (side note: the fact I forget his name certainly says how important of a character he was) since they didn't do jack with him and don't seem to be planning to any time soon.
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I am a pretty big fan of Tsugumi Ohba. But I have to ask myself why. Both Death Note and Bakuman, aren't bad series by any means, they both had a lot of good aspects to them honestly but they also had significant flaws. Death Note really almost fell apart in the second half even if the first half is near-genius. And Bakuman while it still hasn't fallen apart it's had some arcs that I really didn't like (Dog Boy), a pointless romantic subplot, a cast that's mostly pretty flat even if it's not unlikeable etc.
I'd say Death Note and Bakuman are both good on the whole but they tend to have noticeable flaws and while at their best they're probably some of the best stuff Shonen Jump has ever had; at their worst they can be pretty bad. (Though admittedly you could still do much worse: Bleach, Reborn, PoT among others).
I really like Ohba's ideas he has great concepts like a notebook that kills people and a tribute/analysis of the manga industry and what it's like to be a mangaka. I really like how his stories are set-up focusing on character's using their intelligence, wits, intuition, strategic skills and determination to overcome obstacles (this applies more to Death Note but you could make a case for Bakuman). And he does have a few characters that I think are really good such as L, Niizuma, Hiramaru and even Light to some extent. It also helps that he's paired with Takeshi Obata, probably one of the best artists in the industry.
So on the whole, I would still consider myself a fan of Ohba and I would still recommend his works to people and I'll look forward to whatever he does in the future. But he's not a great mangaka, and that's a shame because sometimes he seems like he could be a great mangaka and on the whole he's only a good mangaka. I'm hoping that he'll improve himself in the future, because he definitely has a lot of potential as an author, I find his works to be endearing in spite of their flaws. That's my two cents.
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Oh man Silence, Hiroy, you guys took the words right out of my mouth.
Also Bakuman's "villains" tend to be either relatively uninvolved to the main characters themselves (Koogy, the True Human guy) or such a not considered an actual threat (such as Nanamine).
Really, what was the point of ever giving panel time to the True Human guy (side note: the fact I forget his name certainly says how important of a character he was) since they didn't do jack with him and don't seem to be planning to any time soon.
Well if anything, the other authors in Bakuman is supposed to represent a trait an artist typically has in the comic industry. The True Human guy was supposed to be one of these anti-social guys that have great ideas on concepts, but falls flat in characters due to his lack of actual experience with other people. I remember Oda saying that he he thinks of people he met when he makes some characters… but unto the the point with True Human. I was really looking forward to seeing him interacting with the characters at one of those annual parties, or something to resolve the issue that was constantly bought up whenever he got screen time... but suddenly... he vanished. Poof. Gone. Figment of my imagination. Just like that.
I'm guessing the story was dropped, either because it was unnecessary
or because the nature behind the character offended someone/people in the magazine.Not only that, Aoki and hier editor gone through a complete 360 as well. Aoki's distrust for men was a prominent trait I once liked, and the "sleazy editor" felt kinda necessary(even though we seen a completely different side of him when working with True Human… chain reaction of inconsistencies I guess).When I look it all, maybe it's pressure from Ohba's editor to get things constantly changed. The manga does represent Jump afterall.
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Is there a chapter this week?
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According to the JUMP Table of Contents there is.
We should see it soonish.
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ah, cool thanks!
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I got bored with the series and dropped it when Nakai became a disgusting pig; glad to see my decision vindicated reading this thread.
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Yeah, theres a chapter. I've seen the spoilers and the raw. Its just taking its sweet time getting scanlated, because… thats just how Bakuman works. It drops anywhere between Wednesday and Monday.
Which is why we have to be adamant about spoiler tags with this particular series.
Oh, as for this chapter...
! It turns ou tthat yes, its Nanamine again. Apparently he has a rich father, which is how he funds his insane schemes, these time around he's getting a platoon of writers to make an idea farm, apparently.
! I'm… kind of dissapointed its him again. Already. Better than it being a new crazy jerkwad... but he was just like... one arc ago. Oh well, maybe we'll get more broken crazy faces. -
! So he's up to his old tricks again and that final meeting where he's supposed to have changed was totally pointless?
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! I don't think he ever changed. He did say he'll try winning with a different method afterall and… I would have really been REALLY disappointed if his character took a "i'm-good-guy-now" turn like Aoki, her editor, ect out of the blue. My only gripe is that is seems really soon. That and his motivations to hire old writers to push aside the youngsters seems a bit weak and less entertaining than his first plan.
! My favorite rival character may be derailed this time. I lost Nakia already. I don't need to lose another one! I hope it's as good when I get the chance to actually read it. -
! Ha. So everyones new favourite manga villain mastermind is behind this scheme is he? I can't say I'm that disappointed it wasn't someone new really. I had my suspicions Nanamine was behind it.
! I suppose it makes sense somewhat why its him, I'd rather him than we just have someone who is more or less exactly like Nanamine as it just shows that not everyone in the manga industry is a villain trying to overthrow the balance. it probably is too soon for him to reappear but alas.
! TLS. I don't share your sentiments towards the series direction whatsoever however, I still get a kick out of reading it each week. -
I loooved the Niizuma battle arc and the Takagi with writer's block arc. Even the Nanamine arc was pretty good besides the end. I am unclear about this arc though, I'm not quite sure how I feel about it yet. Btw where did you guys read the latest chapter because I haven't been able to find it on Unixmanga or Manga2u?