Don't worry Robby, the trailer was a simple teaser, very little revealed. All it really showed was the purty animation. And one kick ass bear.
Pixar movies
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I swear that my theater only plays trailers for movies from LAST YEAR, so there's small chance they'd play Brave's trailer
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Holy crap that detail and color. That looks beautiful!
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I am hoping that one fail is not gonna tear up Pixar's reputation too much. We cannot forget all their great movies.
They are certainly the kind of studio that deserves a second chance. Am I the only one who did not enjoy "UP" ? I thought it was average.
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Apparently the trailer is only shown to people watching Cars 2 in 3D.
I found that in an article that also has a low quality version of somebody filming the trailer and putting it on youtube.
I'll put it here in spoilers. I'd suggest wait until a high quality is released, but it isn't bad for a guy with a camera in a theatre.
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Seriously, F*** 3D
I regret watching Toy Story 3 in 3d, it really spoiled the experience for me. These glasses really distracted me, I did not feel comfortable.
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@ultimateclima:
Apparently the trailer is only shown to people watching Cars 2 in 3D.
I found that in an article that also has a low quality version of somebody filming the trailer and putting it on youtube.
I'll put it here in spoilers. I'd suggest wait until a high quality is released, but it isn't bad for a guy with a camera in a theatre.
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…...I have goosebumps.
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So this thing takes place in medieval Scotland? That's got me interested.
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I regret watching Toy Story 3 in 3d, it really spoiled the experience for me. These glasses really distracted me, I did not feel comfortable.
Toy Story 3 is the only movie I have seen in 3D that didn't bug me.
It was the one time I didn't get a headache.
Not really sure why.
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Toy Story 3 is the only movie I have seen in 3D that didn't bug me.
It was the one time I didn't get a headache.
Not really sure why.
I literally don't remember seeing a lot of 3D effects. It is as if they did the movie without thinking 3D. I am pretty sure Pixar was more focused on making a good story. The glasses were more like a marketing obligation.
The fact of having this pair of glasses on my nose was uncomfortable because I did not feel I was having a less genuine experience. I prefer to have a movie experience with my own eyes.
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Also we saw the trailer with the 2d version of cars
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Brave looks like it could be Pixar's Mononoke.
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You are not alone bro! Personally, I think its best for us not to treat Pixar like they are unfallible gods.
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Don't worry Robby, the trailer was a simple teaser, very little revealed. All it really showed was the purty animation. And one kick ass bear.
I'm not TOO annoyed, now that its been a couple hours. I already knew the substance of it… and it'll probably be released to the net next week after being exclusive for a weekend. I just wanted to see what it looked like in motion compared to all the promo art and character shots we've been seeing.
@ultimateclima:
I found that in an article that also has a low quality version of somebody filming the trailer and putting it on youtube.
Well, that'll do fo rnow. Low quality blurry 3-D, ah, the bootleg experience!
@Monkey:
Brave looks like it could be Pixar's Mononoke.
That thought keeps coming unbidden to me pretty much every time I see even a little bit more of it… only made worse by the fact they also say its going to be a bit darker, serious and more adult. I've been enthusiastic since the first whisperings about it a couple years ago... but I try to not make the Mononoke comparison out loud too much because that's just setting way too many specific expectations and comparisons in place in advance. I think I got shhhed in here last time I said that out loud, and probably rightly so.
But everything being said makes it sound like its going to be special.
Its certainly going to look fantastic, but we already know that from Pixar.
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It's gonna be the first Pixar movie with a female main protagonist. It better be special.
(I mean geez, they've had a rat, a robot and an 80 year old man before a female).
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Oh yeah, the Winnie the Pooh trailer played before my showing of Cars 2… and it occurs to me. Is Craig Ferguson just going to be in EVERY animated feature from here on out as a rule, regardless of company?
Craig is fantastic, not complaining, but HTTYD, Winnie the Pooh, and Brave? Is he just the only Scottish accent working in the industry?
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(I mean geez, they've had a rat, a robot and an 80 year old man before a female).
you could argue that eve and wall-e were both equally main characters
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Nu-uh, I'm talking about a main main protagonist. Where the focus is on the female rather than the male. Where it's the girl who we start off with. Where it's the girl that is the focus point of all the drama. Where it's the girl that the audience expects to save the day.
(I mean geez, Wall-E was the titular character for crying out loud. And they're both robots so they don't even have a gender at any rate regardless of how anthropomorphic their features were).
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Yes, the Brave trailer rocked…but I feel cheated I didn't get the trailer in my 2-D viewing. (I got 10 bucks for free from my apartment as a refund and I wasn't going to spend extra for the glasses) Someone should have aired that in my theater instead of...The Smurfs.
! And the "death of the American agent" somehow just gave me a vision of "Worthless", a creepy song from near the end of "The Brave Little Toaster" (which, coincidentally, Lasseter worked on) essentially about "cars" (just like in the movie series) getting cubed to their death while singing of their lives before their deaths like a confession. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if that movie gave Lasseter the "Cars" idea from early on.
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@RobbyBevard:
Is he just the only Scottish accent working in the industry?
Come to think of it, does Alan Young still do voice work?
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Where it's the girl that the audience expects to save the day.
Ah but Eve did save the day.
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That reminds me. I need to watch Wall-E for the thousandth time again.
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Ah but Eve did save the day.
As did Wall-E when he saved the plant. Wall-E was a fantastic connecting of two lonely souls story where both characters pretty much got equal focus. Yet, we the audience can't help but size up Wall-E as the more prominent role. The point is we have had females in Pixar movies with roles in helping the main male character, even major roles rivalling the male leads like in Wall-E and Finding Nemo or whose influence ran deep in the movie like in Up. But still, the focus was always on the male characters. They're the guys we see first, the guys we subconsciously focus on and expect the most out of, the guys who we treat as the most vital to the movie because of the advertising or because their names are the title or again because they're the first characters we see. This movie however is the first ever time where it is a female who gets all that focus, where it is the girl we expect the most contribution to come from, where to us, she is the pivotal character of the movie. And as such I'm crazy hyped and expecting a pants-shittingly awesome character. Like best female character to ever grace Western cinema level. And I'm also crossing my fingers for Mononoke references, long shot that that may be.
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That reminds me. I need to watch Wall-E for the thousandth time again.
Wall-E is a great movie. I still tear up in the beginning where Wall-E silently continues building the trash city even though we all know it's futile. The sense of loneliness and desolation is so sad and depressing.
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Wall-E is only prominent because he appears first and is in the title. The movie would be just as fine if it had been named 'Wall-E and Eve'. The movie isn't about 'saving the plant' or even about saving the planet, but returning home to repair Wall-e so the two could be together. The movie is about love, about two beings as equals in a relationship. Wall-E may have begun the movie, but Eve played her part and it was just as important.
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A proper use of female characters is to clone them 40 times with minor differences and have them flash panties to underage boys.
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@Monkey:
A proper use of female characters is to clone them 40 times with minor differences and have them flash panties to underage boys.
AH SNAP. You gone and done it now. Anyway even though I like Negima a lot, I'm not going to get into an argument with you (or anyone) about it. I realize it doesn't appeal to a lot of people and I feel that if you become too overzealous in saying "READ NEGIMA!!! IT'S AWESOME!!!" it's not exactly surprising that a fair amount of people don't like you. I don't mind TLS but I understand why he's not exactly the most popular forum poster around. Anyway if you guys are going to argue I'm going to be sitting back with my popcorn and not let my personal opinion on the issue affect my enjoyment.
Edit: Btw if this is going to be the Pixar equivalent of Mononoke then I'd say I'm very interested in seeing how that plays out.
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Negima comments aside (grumbles a bit about how it's been crap since vol. 18 ended), Pixar has always had a great job with strong females, making them equals to males as well as characters in their own right. Alongside Eve and the upcoming Brave heroine, I also would like to submit Helen Parr: even if she isn't the lead, she shows loyalty and strength both as a wife trying to protect her husband and a mother trying to protect and take care of her children. Not only does she have to take care of herself, but has to be the linchpin of the entire family, making sure Mr. Incredible doesn't go too far, while making sure Dash and Violet are raised right. Yeah some would say it's stereotypical but she's very strong and perhaps the true glue keeping the family together…and that movie is more or less about the family even if Mr. Incredible is the lead.
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Wall-E is only prominent because he appears first and is in the title. The movie would be just as fine if it had been named 'Wall-E and Eve'. The movie isn't about 'saving the plant' or even about saving the planet, but returning home to repair Wall-e so the two could be together. The movie is about love, about two beings as equals in a relationship. Wall-E may have begun the movie, but Eve played her part and it was just as important.
Again, this isn't about Pixar's use of strong females. They've used plenty to great effect. It's that they've never had that strong female as the true lead. Eve, great character that she is with a very prominent, equally important role, is still the chick in the movie playing second fiddle to Wall-E. The number two. The typical female heroine that helps out the male hero whom the audience generally focus on. And that's why I don't count Eve as the main main protagonist.
That and she isn't really a girl like Wall-E isn't really a guy which kinda makes the whole conversation moot…
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She's a representative female, like wall-e is a representative male, so the idea still stands. I'm not saying she's number two, but they are both equals, and nothing you've said has really convinced me that she's less important to the film than Wall-e is.
Creating a female lead just to say you've created a female lead is frankly more useless than a secondary female character in a film like Toy Story. The films so far have all been very solid movies, and though they are dominated by men (just like the animation business), it's not something to hold against pixar. Just as you can't hold Miyazaki accountable for not having as many male leads in his movies. It's just the way things have worked out, the preferences of the creators.
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I feel like I've said this before. But Lion isn't on a bad angle. I think what he's saying stands. When you look at animation on a large scale, females characters most often are secondary, or they are in a relationship with a man, or destined to be in one.
The latter is very important and is more often how it goes. The latter can be done in a "feminist" manner, but it usually requires the right perspective that most studios can't handle.
Films can still be good movies even if they fall into those trends. There's a lot of movies that are good that fall into these trends in a bad way. But when you look at the broader picture, that's when it does mean something. So when a film like Brave is coming out, it is in fact very exciting.
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Well to look at it another way, take Tangled. Another movie with two characters, a male and a female, that have a whole complimenting thing going on as well (though not as to great effect as Wall-E as the focus is more of a girl entering a new world). I see Rapunzel as the main lead there. Even though Eugene is the better fighter and does some very typical macho male lead stuff, the focus point of the story and all the drama is Rapunzel. The character the audience expects more out of because she was the first character we saw, whose character we were introduced to since her birth and it's Rapunzel for crying out loud. One striking similarity between the two is again, that the female has to come in pair with the male which the audience subconsciously, due to our society, perceive as having the more prominent role in the story. However because of the aforementioned execution, this was not the case in Rapunzel.
Ultimately the crux of the whole female issue is that no matter how important her role, there's still a man in the picture. But not so with Brave apparently where it's gonna be one chick being a solo badass and unquestionably the main main character.
I'm not holding this female thing against Pixar (much). After all there have been quite a few very good females. I'm just excited to get our first true, true undeniable, no-contest human female lead.
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I agree it is very exciting! I would love more movies starring women. I just feel like the past films were good the way they were, and I wouldn't want a creator to force in a female lead if it didn't feel natural in the story. I guess I want to look at it as a string of movies starring men, like a string of numbers starring odd numbers. I'm hoping now that Pixar is aware that there probably should be more movies with female leads, they'll actively be thinking about it in the future.
The thing with Tangled is that the villain is solely HER villain, which is what keeps the plot moving. It's not the same kind of movie, and you still haven't convinced me that the two aren't equals, you've just brought up an entirely different movie that is somewhat comparable.
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you could argue that eve and wall-e were both equally main characters
While it is possible to have an ensemble cast of main characters, there will only ever be one true lead.
If you were to walk up to someone and ask "who is the main character of Wall-E?" they will answer with the titular character, because he is the one that the story truly revolves around.
I think a good example is Toy Story. Throughout the movies you've got Woody and Buzz as your main characters along with a strong ensemble, but who is the lead? Obviously, it's Woody, as the story truly revolves around him and his actions.
That's what TLS is trying to get across. There is always one true lead to a story, and for Pixar, that role has never been filled by a female, until now with Brave.
I think you misread something somewhere, because you say
@taboo:you still haven't convinced me that the two aren't equals
despite him having already stated
@Thousand:
Eve, great character that she is with a very prominent, equally important role
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If you were to walk up to someone and ask "who is the main character of Wall-E?" they will answer with the titular character, because he is the one that the story truly revolves around.
of couse you can ask any Joe dumbo and they will tell you Wall-E because if the title and the first part of the film, but I said you could argue Eve was an equally improtant character regardless, and so I'm arguing it, and at the heart of the film, I believe it's true.
Think of the film in acts:
Act I: mostly about Wall-E and his love for Eve. He takes care of her after the lock down.
Act II: aboard the Axiom, the story now revolves around the mystery of the missing plant. Both push the plot foreward about the same.
Act III: Act 1 is flipped: Eve realizes her robo feelings for Wall-E and takes care of him.
The thing that really attracts me the most is the balance of screentime and importance of characters in the plot, and it always gave me the feeling that no scene or action went without a purpose. It's very well made.
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No one is denying that Eve is an equally important character! No one ever made such a claim.
I completely agree with everything you just said.
All we're saying is that Wall-E is the true lead of the film. The story revolves around him. He is the center of the plot.
Up until now, all of Pixar's films feature a male character in the lead role, so despite Pixar having great female characters in their films, Brave is kind of a big deal because it's the first time for Pixar that the strong female character is also the lead.
That's all TLS is saying. That's all I'm saying.
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Actually I'm now kind of wondering if that same 'sexism' that kept pixar from actively making a female lead is the same kind of sexism that would overlook Eve as a 'true lead'. Hmmm
Well anyway Im done talking about it lol.
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Actually I'm now kind of wondering if that same 'sexism' that kept pixar from actively making a female lead is the same kind of sexism that would overlook Eve as a 'true lead'. Hmmm
No it's not.
There is no sexism in declaring Wall-E the true lead (a phrase I use for lack of a better term, just like TLS used main main character) of the film.
In fact, suggesting sexism on my part is infuriatingly ridiculous, even after I said I completely agree with you.While whether or not Pixar has been sexist, even unintentionally, could be open for debate, that has nothing to do with the conversation at hand.
The story revolves around Wall-E. He is the main plot point. For crying out loud the movie is named after him.
Eve, while a great character is not the star (does that work better?) of the film. She is second to Wall-E. I am not saying that because I'm being sexist, just like TLS wasn't. We're saying it because that's how the story works.Starting with TLS's original comment, you've been turning this into something it's not: you argued that Eve is equal, despite no one arguing otherwise, and now you make this nonsensical comment. It seems as if you've been arguing for the sake of arguing, and that's my biggest pet peeve of mine which is why this post may come off as if I'm attacking you. If it is, I apologize as it was not my intent.
I understand you're done with this. I am too.
I just needed to say what was on my mind. Feel free to ignore it.
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Taboo is right, TLS is in love with a bad manga, Jack Skellington is actually a talking baseball.
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So, Cars 2. Worst Pixar film by a considerable margin and the worst animated film that I've seen in theaters this year. Keep in mind that I didn't see Hood vs Evil or else I wouldn't be saying that.
Is it terrible? Not at all. In fact, it easily exceeded my extremely low expectations for it. Perhaps I would have liked it more had it not the misfortune to come out the same year as a whole bunch of good to great animated films and be Pixar's first film since Toy Story 3. If it was not been the followup to another sequel with a lot more heart and wasn't the film before something so highly anticipated as Brave, it might have been better received by critics.
At the same time though, I suspect that I'm giving it a lot more leeway than the film probably deserves since my expectations were so low to begin with. It's a film that was based on one of the weaker entries in the history of Picar anyway after all. If I had went in expecting Pixar's usual level of quality, I think I would have been disappointed greatly by the film. As is, I don't see it holding up to repeat viewings.
On the upside, the animation is gorgeous, but that's not surprising considering the sheer amount of resources it had behind it. If you spend this kind of money on a film, it had better look this good. There are some stunning action sequences in there and there were some genuinely funny moments stuck in there. It's also surprisingly violent and probably has more characters killed in it than the Incredibles though it doesn't have anything to match the hilariously morbid 'NO CAPES!' scene. Cars 2 certainly doesn't pull its punches on that front.
On the downside, there's only so much Mater one can take and the rest of the cast is just there for the most part. There's a massive void left by Paul Newman passing away and it's noticeable. There isn't a real sense of menace from the villains either. If they were played strictly for laughs, it'd be one thing, but these villains can and do kill people when necessary. Despite that, they're sort of bland.
Overall, Cars 2 sorta reminds me of Kung Fu Panda 2, which is another film with beautiful artwork and a main character that starts to grate a bit after a while. On the other hand, KFP2 had Tiger and Shen to its credit while Cars 2 doesn't really have any characters to take the weight off of Mater like Po did. Cars 2 had the better ending of the two, but KFP 2 came across as the better film overall. Had you told me a few years ago, that I would have thought a Dreamworks sequel superior to a Pixar sequel, I would have thought you were crazy.
One more thought about the film. If cows are farm/construction vehicles and birds are planes (while planes are also planes so whatever), then what were dinosaurs? Were there organic creatures in this world at some point that were ruthlessly eradicated by our new machinized overlords? Do they use the liquified remains of their ancestors for fuel? Bad enough when the English used to grind up Egyptian mummies for paint, but an entire civilization built around this sort of thing?
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Starting with TLS's original comment, you've been turning this into something it's not: you argued that Eve is equal, despite no one arguing otherwise, and now you make this nonsensical comment. It seems as if you've been arguing for the sake of arguing, and that's my biggest pet peeve of mine which is why this post may come off as if I'm attacking you. If it is, I apologize as it was not my intent.
Sorry. It's just a way I untangle ideas sometimes. I'm still done talking about it though.
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And what about that airplane food I tells ya
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There are some stunning action sequences in there and there were some genuinely funny moments stuck in there. It's also surprisingly violent and probably has more characters killed in it than the Incredibles though it doesn't have anything to match the hilariously morbid 'NO CAPES!' scene.
Yeah
! when I saw the first fatality, I thought to myself 'THEY KILLED HIM, THEY KILLED A CAR' and that death was just…gruesome. The death of the 2nd agent was too cruel as well
On the downside, there's only so much Mater one can take and the rest of the cast is just there for the most part. There's a massive void left by Paul Newman passing away and its noticeable.
I agree with you there, while I understood why Mater was made the main character for this, I still don't like him.
…and I didn't know Newman passed away until I read it on TVTrops (RiP). I was wondering why the movie couldn't have been about Hornet Hudson as the agent.Overall, Cars 2 sorta reminds me of Kung Fu Panda 2, which is another film with beautiful artwork and a main character that starts to grate a bit after a while. On the other hand, KFP2 had Tiger and Shen to its credit while Cars 2 doesn't really have any characters to take the weight off of Mater like Po did. Cars 2 had the better ending of the two, but KFP 2 came across as the better of the two..
I wish I'd seen KFP2, but I gree on the KFP2 comparison. I'm not sure what you mean about taking weight off, but Finn McMissile (voiced by Sir Michael Caine) and Holey were great side characters IMO.
One more thought about the film. If cows are farm/construction vehicles and birds are planes (while planes are also planes so whatever), then what were dinosaurs? Were there organic creatures in this world at some point that were ruthlessly eradicated by our new machinized overlords? Do they use the liquified remains of their ancestors for fuel? Bad enough when the English used to grind up Egyptian mummies for paint, but an entire civilization built around this sort of thing?
Let's not think too much into that…
The movie seems to have grossed around half as much as it's budget by now and I think it might exceed it's budget eventually.
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Ok now I feel bad and want to apologize for being an argumenative douchebag. I'm not gonna do that any more and I think I'm gonna leave for a while. I'm really sorry.
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One more thought about the film. If cows are farm/construction vehicles and birds are planes (while planes are also planes so whatever), then what were dinosaurs? Were there organic creatures in this world at some point that were ruthlessly eradicated by our new machinized overlords? Do they use the liquified remains of their ancestors for fuel? Bad enough when the English used to grind up Egyptian mummies for paint, but an entire civilization built around this sort of thing?
I'm just wondering how the hell Cars managed to build their society with no limbs to speak of. Crane slave labor?
Out of curiosity, why is the general consensus so "negative" towards A Bugs life? It's one of my personal faves, but it seems to be perpetually classified as Lower Tier.
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I wish I'd seen KFP2, but I gree on the KFP2 comparison. I'm not sure what you mean about taking weight off, but Finn McMissile (voiced by Sir Michael Caine) and Holey were great side characters IMO.
Dramatic scenes and comedy were handled almost entirely by Mater unlike Kung Fu Panda 2, which let Tiger and Shen share the spotlight in a couple of sequences. Finn McMissile was cool and all, but outsie of action scenes, he really didn't do anything. He never really had any kind of real conversation with Mater or showed any emotions rather than British stoicism.
The movie seems to have grossed around half as much as it's budget by now and I think it might exceed it's budget eventually.
There's no way that it won't. The film is so heavily marketed and there's so much merchandising around it that it'll easily make back its budget several times over.
@The:
I'm just wondering how the hell Cars managed to build their society with no limbs to speak of. Crane slave labor?
How do they reproduce anyway?
Out of curiosity, why is the general consensus so "negative" towards A Bugs life? It's one of my personal faves, but it seems to be perpetually classified as Lower Tier.
I don't know about other people, but I just wasn't all that impressed by it. I never sat down and watched the whole thing through up until this year, but I never had any real desire to either. It had one of the most generic plots of any Pixar film as well and also has a few rough edges that are the natural result of being such an early work from the studio.
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If anything saves "A Bug's Life", it's Kevin Spacey…maybe a couple of the circus bugs but that's probably it. It's not that bad a movie but considering everything above it, it just doesn't shine.
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Took the words right out of my mouth Tokoro.
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Kevin Spacey is awesome, and so is Dennis Leary's Ladybug character.
For the Cars series I actually think it would fare better as a series of shorts rather than a full movie. So if Pixar wants to keep making money with Cars, start making more shorts! And MORE FRANCESCO!!
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Dramatic scenes and comedy were handled almost entirely by Mater unlike Kung Fu Panda 2, which let Tiger and Shen share the spotlight in a couple of sequences. [/qoute]
Ah OK, I get what you mean, thanks.Finn McMissile was cool and all, but outsie of action scenes, he really didn't do anything. He never really had any kind of real conversation with Mater or showed any emotions rather than British stoicism.
Eh I guess him being the badass grandpa just did it for me. Then again he is an agent and thus have too much relations with others can be a bad thing…
...but otherwise he kicked tailpipesThere's no way that it won't. The film is so heavily marketed and there's so much merchandising around it that it'll easily make back its budget several times over.
Well I read that the game is pretty good (the previous Cars games were good too I hear) and I'm planning on picking it up tomorrow, lol. So yeah that too can help it.
How do they reproduce anyway?
White planes bring the babies from high heaven~ …but yeah it's really not a big deal.