How can I control her with haki? But there are plenty of other strange skills in OP world which aren't explained to the fullest and make no sense?
It can be haki, but it hasn't to be
How can I control her with haki? But there are plenty of other strange skills in OP world which aren't explained to the fullest and make no sense?
It can be haki, but it hasn't to be
I'm a little confused. Last chapter Hodi said he was going to execute the king at Gyoncorde Plaza. This chapter he heads out for Gyoncorde Plaza. Before leaving, he basically says to his crew, "Just leave a few men behind, nobody can get in to the palace anyway. Besides, they can't just leave their king to die, right?" So… he took the king with him, right? Everybody seems to be saying that he left the king behind though...?
Maybe he's going ahead of time to set things up while he knows he'll have time seeing as he's probably under the impression that the SH's are currently rushing to Ryugu palace. Or maybe not and he actually did take the king, I'm not too sure either..
Okay. The Brook powerup is…..interesting.
Prety nice chapter but man, Jimbei annoys me so much.
I'm walking in circles about this. Boa sisters controlling hair seems like Haki, but by that logic controlling water is also Haki. Ivankov simply has the strongest eyelids in the world. And Wanze shooting noodles from his nose is just like blowing snot from his nose.
When we see more of Luffy's special CoA usage, I think CoA could be set as controlling objects, or not.
His mastery of fishman karate allows him to manipulate water vapor like he does with sea water. It's not haki (probably), it's just a high level of fishman karate.
I'm pretty sure that Sandersonia (or was it the other one? Don't ask me to ever remember which one's which) controlling her hair was not Haki. Hardening her hair was, but controlling it seems like more of a Life Return-type of technique.
As far as I can tell things surrounding CoA makes sense. It's like an invisible armor. It can be used as a larger "shield" (the palm-thing), or imbued into objects to "harden" them, increasing attack strength (and likely speed with such things as arrows or bullets). I honestly don't remember it doing anything else. I doubt Fishman Karate is Haki, it's just a martial art and Jimbei's a black belt.
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It's strange that probably Zoro & co will get free on their own and i am curious what will happen now that Hodi is about to leave the palace.Maybe they will fight again or they'll wait for Luffy and/or Jinbe?Also it was confirmed that his slash really did some serious damage to Hodi
A question,now that we learned about Fishman Karate does it mean that it can even hurt logias?I know about the fight with Ace but i find it strange because all the logias while they are in their element they don't really have human constracture.I mean for example if akainu is "on magma" how can he has water within his body?
I'm a bit disappointed. Luffy didn't really showcase anything and got hurt more than Jinbe did in their "fight" and to make things worse, both Luffy AND Jinbe were floored by none other than Robin. What's that all about ?????
I wasn't really counting on a one hit KO or something but Luffy already saw Jinbe's fighting skills and style and with his CoO he should've easily been able to dodge or something or equip CoA to stop Jinbe's fishmen karate from even touching his body in the first place.
I don't remember a single scene in MF or ID where Luffy paid attention to Jinbei causing shockwaves with his fists. Even if he did why would he assume those shockwaves could hurt him?
He used water to dampen the heat a bit. The lava still burned though.
I "agree" that he didn't use Haki. It's still weird how he controls water though. How does it work?
Most likely, imo, fishmen have a natural ability to control water and Fishman Karate was developed to heighten that ability into a fighting style.
A question,now that we learned about Fishman Karate does it mean that it can even hurt logias?I know about the fight with Ace but i find it strange because all the logias while they are in their element they don't really have human constracture.I mean for example if akainu is "on magma" how can he has water within his body?
Most of the time when a logia is fighting only a part of their body is "elemental", usually one or both arms. As long as any part of the body is human, Fishman Karate should be able to effect them. We won't know if it can effect a full "elemental" logia unless we actually see it.
Most of the time when a logia is fighting only a part of their body is "elemental", usually one or both arms. As long as any part of the body is human, Fishman Karate should be able to effect them. We won't know if it can effect a full "elemental" logia unless we actually see it.
I think it doesn't matter if a logia while fighting uses one or two hands/feet,i think even if a small part of them is in elemental state then the whole body is in elemental state even if we don't "see it".For example i cant imagine a logia user while fighting being "ok i attack with my "logia-power" fist but if he avoid it and hit my torso i am screwed cuz it's in "human mode".I hope you get the point..
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It's strange that probably Zoro & co will get free on their own and i am curious what will happen now that Hodi is about to leave the palace.Maybe they will fight again or they'll wait for Luffy and/or Jinbe?Also it was confirmed that his slash really did some serious damage to Hodi
A question,now that we learned about Fishman Karate does it mean that it can even hurt logias?I know about the fight with Ace but i find it strange because all the logias while they are in their element they don't really have human constracture.I mean for example if akainu is "on magma" how can he has water within his body?
Logias are still immune to Jinbe's attacks for this very reason of yours. Its just Croc and Ace who are screwed. Ace is fire and it is now confirmed that Jinbei pushes vapor in the air for his attacks.
Great chapter, few points I want to point out:
1. Robin's and Brooke's abilities are awesome, also, we were right about Robin!
2. Ussop REALLY manned UP! Pre-time-skip, you can't tell me he wouldn't have been scared out his mind seeing Brooke's new ability. I'm really liking "Man-ssop."
3. Luffy vs. Jinbei reminds me of Luffy vs. Franky. I mean Luffy was semi-serious when he fought him, they basically just traded blows. But, it wasn't until Enies Lobby that we saw Luffy really show how much he had grown. All in All, I think Oda is just using the same technique. Just teasing us in a way, but will show off Luffy's real new power when he fights the big boss of the arc. (Whoever that is)
Jinbei is truly underestimating Luffy if he thinks that's all he's got out of training with Rayleigh.
I think it doesn't matter if a logia while fighting uses one or two hands/feet,i think even if a small part of them is in elemental state then the whole body is in elemental state even if we don't "see it".For example i cant imagine a logia user while fighting being "ok i attack with my "logia-power" fist but if he avoid it and hit my torso i am screwed cuz it's in "human mode".I hope you get the point..
Ah but you see Ace was fire logia so it fits, what is fire's weakness? Water, so Jinbei could hit Ace just fine and they had their epic 3 day battle. But fighting Akainu, Lava>Water because it turns into steam, so Akainu was able to get through Jibei's defenses.
Now how this effects other types of Logia users I don't know. I could be completely wrong about what I just said, so we won't know until we get a full explanation.(Maybe Jinbei vs Caribou or something?)
He used water to dampen the heat a bit. The lava still burned though.
I "agree" that he didn't use Haki. It's still weird how he controls water though. How does it work?
I think it doesn't matter if a logia while fighting uses one or two hands/feet,i think even if a small part of them is in elemental state then the whole body is in elemental state even if we don't "see it".For example i cant imagine a logia user while fighting being "ok i attack with my "logia-power" fist but if he avoid it and hit my torso i am screwed cuz it's in "human mode".I hope you get the point..
Ch. 158 p. 6 - Smoker turns his arm into smoke and gets rammed from behind by Luffy. The logia defense is not automatic. If they are caught completely off guard, or they choose not to activate it, like when Caribuo took Sanji's kick, then they can be hurt like everyone else. So they are not always elemental.
People usually see that scene, and Ace in it as well, as comic relief thus it doesn't count as evidence. Besides, Smoker was preparing to battle Ace. It wouldn't even have made sense for him not to be in full elemental state at the time.
In non-gag scenes, we have Enel being untouchable in his sleep and Kizaru being shot at without even realizing it.
Ch. 158 p. 6 - Smoker turns his arm into smoke and gets rammed from behind by Luffy. The logia defense is not automatic. If they are caught completely off guard, or they choose not to activate it, like when Caribuo took Sanji's kick, then they can be hurt like everyone else. So they are not always elemental.
Well i think this scene was just a funny scene.Even if it was serious i dont believe that any logia user while FIGHTING for real has any reason to let "some" of his body in human state so the example of caribou or even smoker are not the case.
Anyway i believe that the logia users are always in their elemental state but thats not the right topic.
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Ah but you see Ace was fire logia so it fits, what is fire's weakness? Water, so Jinbei could hit Ace just fine and they had their epic 3 day battle. But fighting Akainu, Lava>Water because it turns into steam, so Akainu was able to get through Jibei's defenses.
Now how this effects other types of Logia users I don't know. I could be completely wrong about what I just said, so we won't know until we get a full explanation.(Maybe Jinbei vs Caribou or something?)
Actually we didn't see even a scene of their fight,only that they were near water and as far as we know water > fire.Akainu was just an example think about Enel or Kizaru (put aside croc) or whatever logia i think that it's imposible to hit them and i remember jinbe's punch to akainu during the war that it didn't even made him notice it.
Even if there are inconsistencies between logia users auto-defense Oda can always pin it on proper training (like Enel sharpening his senses to a level where he is semi-conscious even when sleeping etc.).
Nice chaper cover this week. Those aprons make me wonder if they've opened up some kind of shop. Maybe reading too much into it, but it seems they're more prosperous now because they were able to get Bellemere a real grave marker. Er.. Bell-mere. Not sure if I can get used to spelling it like that. Nojiko is looking good.
I wasn't expecting Robin to step in like that. The fight was meh, not that I expected a great deal in the first place. Wow Hodi, you fail as a villain. Oh fuck, Mr. Pac-man, you've gone and done it now. I was half-expecting Big Mam to show up right then and there and beat the shit out of the guy. I didn't get the Brook joke because I didn't see the nosebleed. He looks like the ice-cream scoop from the last jump cover. Seriously awesome power-up. Loved that panel of Zoro at the end.
@Dryish:
No Oda, no. You don't make Sanji get heart-eyed and frivolous twice in one chapter, especially not when he's giving a seemingly badass speech with Good ol' Sanji vibes. Stop reading the suggestions those little kids send you and treat your characters as if they were real humans, because that's what they're supposed to be. The man's supposed to be a strong, believable fighter, but you're making him nothing but an embodiment of comic relief. Beat the crap out of Sanji's getting old already.
I'm with you on this. I was starting to get excited about Sanji talking like a badass and then a bit disappointed by how he chose to end his little speech. sudden deja vu okay that was weird. Slightly amused at the three panels after they hit each other, but Sanji shouldn't be in that role. He's never been the guy to get hit around like that, but perhaps Oda just figured to make Sanji the punching bag now that Usopp is much too manly.
That's the case with Brook as well. I'm looking forward to seeing whether he can actually possess other living bodies or switch from a dead body to another, making him hard to fight and also highly useful as a spy.
Man that would be so awesome. I would love to see possession of any kind. Hopefully more than spying on women because I really want to see Brook shine. :3
It was a great chapter but it is starting to drag.
Just waitin' for someone to ask Oda in SBS why Robin's clothes also are copied when she clones herself. :P
By the way, why did some people get the farfetched idea that it's teleportation? Her power doesn't have anything to do with that, and the usual petals when she's using her powers also appeared.
If it isn't her DF powers, then it's Soru but that doesn't explain the petals.
Maybe she could 'bloom' herself to different places?
His mastery of fishman karate allows him to manipulate water vapor like he does with sea water. It's not haki (probably), it's just a high level of fishman karate.
It's not Fishman Karate, it's just being a Fishman in general. If you remember, Arlong threw a handful of water at Sanji and it hit him like it was a shotgun blast. Fishmen just seem to have natural control over water pressure/vapor.
In the anime it shot a hole through his body and got to Luffy. Oda later confirmed that this is how it was supposed to be, but it wasn't drawn very clearly.
What people are more concerned with is this.
Yeah I'm talking about that as well. Maybe that wasn't clear but somebody already brought up which scene they're talking about.
His mastery of fishman karate allows him to manipulate water vapor like he does with sea water. It's not haki (probably), it's just a high level of fishman karate.
Most likely, imo, fishmen have a natural ability to control water and Fishman Karate was developed to heighten that ability into a fighting style.
So… what does being a fishman have to do with controlling water? It's not like a Devil Fruit which specifically breaks certain laws of physics so its power works.
Urouge's point is a little different, so I'll ask what a high level of Fishman Karate means? From what I see, the whole water control reminds me of Shotokan (Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Dan, Gouken from SF series) where ki is gathered and projected in attacks. Also Dragonball. Also Avatar. Also <insert martial="" arts="" series="" where="" ki="" attacks="" are="" "thrown"="">.
So unless Haki is involved, another mechanism is involved, that we don't know yet. I know many other series have magical powers that aren't logical, but I can't see One Piece as that. Otherwise, we'll have a tale where fights are won simply because protagonists always win, no matter what.
I mean Luffy beat Lucci because it's logical, right?</insert>
They seem to naturally be able to control water, Fishman Karate or not. Look at how Arlong and Hodi manipulated it to turn into bullets. Most likely it'll be explained at some point.
It was a great chapter but it is starting to drag.
Out of curiosity, why do you think so? I see the pacing as suitable. There are lots of things that can happen at this point in the story. It'll take some time to present the possibilities.
Edit: I can see an analogy of controlling ki in one's surroundings with controlling water in one's surroundings, if that makes sense. There's not much of a connection otherwise.
King Neptune also used Fishman Karate, even though he's not strictly fishman. I think that means mermaids can control water too.
Does it relate to communicating with fish? I think it could be, because spirituality manifests physically in this world. Thus, controlling water and talking to fish has to do with a spiritual connection with water and the sea.
I hope Sanji picks up the basics of Fishman Karate. It would certainly suit him (and Diable Jambe is really overused by now, he does nothing else).
One kick engulfs his opponents in flames and the other leg deals heavy internal injuries. Fire and water, perfect combination.
He used Merman Karate, and all he did was throw the ocean. Whether or not Merman Karate has the same potential as Fishman Karate is yet to be seen.
Out of curiosity, why do you think so? I see the pacing as suitable. There are lots of things that can happen at this point in the story. It'll take some time to present the possibilities.
Luffy vs Jinbei are gonna fight again which was more or less the same clifhanger as last week. Robin's intervention did not change the situation. Oda could have chosen another moment to introduce her new abilities. Showing Daruma's abilities at this point in the story felt disconnected from the main plot.
This chapter was great because I loled a lot with the triple KO and Brook's new "skill".
I will love to see the rage when Crocodile beats the crap out of Luffy next time…
Luffy vs Jinbei are gonna fight again which was more or less the same clifhanger as last week…..
You think so? I think it will be awkward if they continue like nothing happened….and since Zoro/Usopp/Brook are on the best way to save themselves, Luffy doesn't need to come to their rescue. Edit: Of course Luffy doesn't know that, but maybe Robin or Brook can contact them with their new abilities
I hope Sanji picks up the basics of Fishman Karate. It would certainly suit him, and Diable Jambe is really overused by now, he does nothing else.
I certainly hope he has more tricks up his sleeve than Diable Jambe, like for example Blue Walk or his speed in general, but Diable Jambe is Sanji's Gear 2nd, so to speak. It's a mode much more than an attack; it is a part of his fighting style. The color spread is proof of this.
Oda could have chosen another moment to introduce her new abilities. Showing Daruma's abilities at this point in the story felt disconnected from the main plot.
Nahh, Oda gave purpose to Daruma's actions. The scene starts by announcing the location, the candy district, and then dedicates a panel to Big Mom's jolly roger on top of the building. Daruma then tears down that building, clearly showing that they don't want anything to do with humans. You can even see the jolly roger sitting on top of the fallen building in the last panel of the last page there.
Is it me or is this arc getting awesome?
I REALLY dislike the idea of Gear 2nd only for each limb that it is needed.
The explanation we got from Lucci was that his legs were pumping blood faster through his heart, much like adrenaline allows blood vessels to enlarge to carry more oxygen. Meaning that pumping it to a single body part would make very little sense. Am I missing something?
Also, I think Fishman Karate could be explained by Fishman being in water so often, they learn to manipulate water more, and then learn how it translates into combat. Much like an Olympic swimmer knows how to move through water better than an average swimmer.
If fishmen carate controls water…that explains why jimbei couldn't beat ace ( fire logia)
If fishmen carate controls water…that explains why jimbei couldn't beat ace ( fire logia)
huu?
If pokemon has taught me anything it's that water is a strength when opposing fire. Also, it's not like Ace exactly whooped Jinbei either.
huu?
If pokemon has taught me anything it's that water is a strength when opposing fire. Also, it's not like Ace exactly whooped Jinbei either.
But they fought on ground didn't they?
I certainly hope he has more tricks up his sleeve than Diable Jambe, like for example Blue Walk or his speed in general, but Diable Jambe is Sanji's Gear 2nd, so to speak. It's a mode much more than an attack; it is a part of his fighting style. The color spread is proof of this.
Nahh, Oda gave purpose to Daruma's actions. The scene starts by announcing the location, the candy district, and then dedicates a panel to Big Mom's jolly roger on top of the building. Daruma then tears down that building, clearly showing that they don't want anything to do with humans. You can even see the jolly roger sitting on top of the fallen building in the last panel of the last page there.
I do feel that Daruma's scene could have shown in another chapter along the other NFP abilities. Imo, it felt that the tension was more about the straw hats this week.
In any case, I m looking foward to see Zoro slashing some fishmen. I am thinking that Caribou is gonna use Luffy vs Jinbei as an opportunity to get the big mermaid.
They tied after 5 days. He didn't win because Ace is strong enough to take and dish it right back.
But they fought on ground didn't they?
True enough. Jinbei did mention that he is weaker on land. he should learn surf.
Meh chapter. The new abilities are boring. Nothing creative nor impressive. The affair between Luffy and Jinbei is just plain tiresome. While cliches are not necessarily bad, Oda is being awful at handling common cliche.
True enough. Jinbei did mention that he is weaker on land. he should learn surf.
surf would do very little to a logia who can fly. Whirlpool would be the ideal skill
Is it me or is this arc getting awesome?
I'm definitely liking it, but I still think the pre-Fishman Island + first chapters of FI were awesome, and then everything got a little. . .I don't know. . .down? And now it's picking up again.
I think I really need to re-read everything. Cause I know the events and situations are RIGHT; there's humor everywhere, in fact, I even think Oda's comedic timing got even better, lots of stuff happening, an interesting conflict with various factions involved, the same awesome character designs as always (seriously Oda, how can you give such designs to people like Crab Hand Gyro or that Rear Admiral that Tiger destroyed? They had such unique and awesome designs yet they lasted 4 panels. Will you ever run out of character designs¿?¿?), the possibility to bring the arc to higher heights via hidden factions (Big Mam), poneglyphs, Reverie. . .
Yet, even with all of this, there's something off that I can't grasp what it is. It's definitely good, that much is certain, and by no means has Oda lost his touch (just, what, 20 chapters ago or so, he was doing those AWESOME adventure chapters under water, with Kraken, Umibozu, Volcanos, great humor, Mohmoo, Caribou, VDD. . .and in just 20 chapters I can safely state that Oda hasn't lost a damn thing, that much is certain), but, I don't know. . .
Maybe when shit gets real, we get a map of the different locations, all the actors come to the stage, Madame Shirley comes back (please, Madame, come back!!!), and surprise factors kick in, I will see how everything is perfectly fine. Untill then, I see this arc as a VERY good "regular shonen manga" arc, but a decent-good One Piece arc.
Still, this is definitely better than the rest of current shounen, except maybe for Toriko and Beel, that gives OP a tougher fight than the Calamity Trio will ever do.
… wow, I'm an idiot!
I've just realized that 'Bellemere' is french for 'beautiful mother'.
@Fire Fist:
It's not Fishman Karate, it's just being a Fishman in general. If you remember, Arlong threw a handful of water at Sanji and it hit him like it was a shotgun blast. Fishmen just seem to have natural control over water pressure/vapor.
It's mastery of fishman karate, because Jinbe said so, and he knows better than you do. Yes, all fishmen can control water well, but fishman karate focuses on that art and the mastery of it.
So… what does being a fishman have to do with controlling water? It's not like a Devil Fruit which specifically breaks certain laws of physics so its power works.
Because they're fish…men. Water is what they do, and it's what they're good at. It's natural that their focus would be on things water related.
Urouge's point is a little different, so I'll ask what a high level of Fishman Karate means? From what I see, the whole water control reminds me of Shotokan (Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Dan, Gouken from SF series) where ki is gathered and projected in attacks. Also Dragonball. Also Avatar. Also <insert martial="" arts="" series="" where="" ki="" attacks="" are="" "thrown"="">.</insert>
Martial arts, especially in a manga, frequently go to this level of hard to explain. Like how a master swordsman learns to wield sword techniques with no sword. Learn to control water at a high enough mastery would allow a user to control water in more difficult situations.
If you want to use a parallel to ki to help understand, it's not quite the same but it's not so bad.
I'll admit, as much as I loved the flashback arc, it was so slow that I began to actually like Naruto more…And since my return to OP fandom was originally due to DESPISING the path that Naruto took in 2009, that says something.
However, this chapter got me back into the swing of loving OP. It's little things like Brook and Daruma's abilities that leave me hungry for more, and as long as Oda keeps displaying these, then I'll be more than satisfied.
@THE:
Meh chapter. The new abilities are boring. Nothing creative nor impressive. The affair between Luffy and Jinbei is just plain tiresome. While cliches are not necessarily bad, Oda is being awful at handling common cliche.
You mean the "I'll fight this bad guy!" "No you can't, cause Fishman will hate Humans even more!" "ok, then let's fight!" situation as a cliche?
I thought it was typical Oda. He made Luffy try to kill Zoro once because he "thought" Zoro beated everyone cause he didn't like the food.
He portrays Luffy like that, out of my way or I'll fight you and make you surrender. I don't think talking is his forte. Hell, he skipped all the flashback, he doesn't even know shit of what's going on in terms of racial hate and prejudice. As you can see, Sanji is trying to talk the situation with Jimbe, Luffy just wants to fight the situation and get done with it.
He's making it unnecessary long, but I perfectly understand their attitudes, and I think their in-character.
starshock12 : Don't take it offensively, but as a common term, ''Belle Mère'' means step mother.
Wouldn't it be epic if luffy got all badass and walked up to Jimbei and used his king haki to intimidate him.
Wouldn't it be epic if luffy got all badass and walked up to Jimbei and used his king haki to intimidate him.
…then Luffy gets his clock cleaned because Jinbe wouldn't be intimidated.
You're right. That would be epic.