Ruffles ?
1 6 .
Ruffles ?
1 6 .
@No:
Ruffles ?
1 6 .
Double A had this ruffly collar, and used because his name is freakin' hard to write off memory.
Aaroniero.
That's fairly easy compared to his second name and how the fuck you spell that.
I know for a fact that Aizen recruited allof the Espada shown in flashbacks. Even Stark looking for friends did not know Aizen even existed until Aizen approached and recrutied him.
I agree. I'm not sure what your point is though. My point was that clearly Aizen didn't strongarm all the hollows into working for him. Many we clearly know joined of their own accord, for protection (Aaroniero), company (Starrk) or BANZAI AIZEN SAMA, and it seems highly propable that Nnoitra and Grimmjow wanted the strenght Aizen and his dragonball offered. And the standard employee attitude was one of "we must please Aizen sama!", not fear - Ulq and the arrancar bitches basically lived for Aizens attention. Really, the only exception was Barragan.
@Outerspec:
You assume Aizen wasn't recruiting the Espada before he was a Captain while we know for sure he already recruited Gin and Tousen on his 'Evil Team' and was always devilishly strong as a Vice Captain. There's no reason he couldn't have been travelling to Hueco Mundo and recruiting the first of the Espada at that time. Remember the "former" Espada who were kicked out because they were too weak? At what point did Aizen recruit them? I'm also speculating here as to when this all happened because the fact is nobody knows the exact timeline. I doubt Kubo even knows which I'm pretty sure you'd agree with, so we don't know when Nel could have been recruited.
I take that what you're saying here is that Nell and co. were gone for a long time because they were from the privaron espada days, with the privaron being weak enough that younger-and-weaker-than-current-Aizen could recruit them, yes?
Sorry, but that doesn't fly.
Dordonni said that the Privaron were demoted when the dragonball arrived. He was the former number three.
In his flashback, Nnoitra was number 8. If that takes place before the dragonballs arrival, theres no way he would have been allowed to remain in the espada. So, it has to take place after Aizen aquired the Dragonball, and started powering up the hollows.
But that means Nell and Nnoitra were created only months earlier, when Aizen defected from soul society! That doesn't fit at all with Nnoitra saying she's been gone for years!
No, it doesn't.
But I'll take you up on your point that "no way she was gone for a century". I'll concede that since I don't know and say it was "years". Still, if Aizen hadn't found her in years then he still obviously didn't care about finding her. This is Aizen we're talking about. If Aizen wanted to know about you or find you…he'd find you. It's not so much the fact Aizen had nothing to do with her betrayal, but the fact that she was basically abandoned.
British officer A and subordinate B go to France during WWII.
Soldier B hates A's guts and assaults him.
Soldier A is left in France with amnesia.
Years later, with the war still going on, soldier A regains his memory. He chooses not to rejoin the fight, since Churchill didn't search all of France to findt him, the bastard.
If she was that loyal to Aizen she would have turned on Ichigo right then and there and beheaded him.
EXCACTLY! That's what Nobodyman and I have been trying to say: Why didn't she do that? Why was it never even discussed?! We didn't get even a token exchange of
Ichigo: Wait, does that mean you're one of Aizens soldiers!?!
Nell: Don't worry, Aizen kicked my puppy once, so I've hated him all along!
or
Kenpachi: the hell are you doing, hanging out with Aizens minions?
Nell: I hate Aizen, I've chosen to defect!
It is completely glossed over.
@The:
I agree. I'm not sure what your point is though. My point was that clearly Aizen didn't strongarm all the hollows into working for him. Many we clearly know joined of their own accord, for protection (Aaroniero), company (Starrk) or BANZAI AIZEN SAMA, and it seems highly propable that Nnoitra and Grimmjow wanted the strenght Aizen and his dragonball offered. And the standard employee attitude was one of "we must please Aizen sama!", not fear - Ulq and the arrancar bitches basically lived for Aizens attention. Really, the only exception was Barragan.
My point is that it wasn't all speculation and no matter who joined Aizen, or by what means or for what purpose, in every case it was Aizen going to them.
I take that what you're saying here is that Nell and co. were gone for a long time because they were from the privaron espada days, with the privaron being weak enough that younger-and-weaker-than-current-Aizen could recruit them, yes?
Sorry, but that doesn't fly.
Dordonni said that the Privaron were demoted when the dragonball arrived. He was the former number three.In his flashback, Nnoitra was number 8. If that takes place before the dragonballs arrival, theres no way he would have been allowed to remain in the espada. So, it has to take place after Aizen aquired the Dragonball, and started powering up the hollows.
But that means Nell and Nnoitra were created only months earlier, when Aizen defected from soul society! That doesn't fit at all with Nnoitra saying she's been gone for years!
No, it doesn't.
I think you're mistaken about Dordonni's former rank. We don't know his former rank. You might have gotten the "3" figure from all this talk about 3's when referring to the "former" Espada.
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British officer A and subordinate B go to France during WWII.
Soldier B hates A's guts and assaults him.
Soldier A is left in France with amnesia.
Years later, with the war still going on, soldier A regains his memory. He chooses not to rejoin the fight, since Churchill didn't search all of France to findt him, the bastard.
Don't forget Soldier A becomes friends with the French people who took care of him and once regained his memory decided the French treated him better. But hey, Soldier A born in Britain is loyal to that country and whoever is in charge of it because that's how he was raised from birth. National pride to your country and leader. So maybe he will rejoin the army and fight the good fight.
Nel was recruited in Aizen's army after who knows how many years of doing her own thing, hardly knows the guy, and as far we can tell only carried out his orders and went no further than that. We don't kow how loyal she was to him and it seems the Espada are very independent beings. The notion of Churchill leading a war and commanding an army of British soldiers is vastly different from Aizen leading a war and commanding a group of recruited soldiers who've shared no bond with him in any shape or form until very recently. And that bond was to be used as Aizen's tools which Dordonni easily figured out.
EXCACTLY! That's what Nobodyman and I have been trying to say: Why didn't she do that? Why was it never even discussed?! We didn't get even a token exchange of
Ichigo: Wait, does that mean you're one of Aizens soldiers!?!
Nell: Don't worry, Aizen kicked my puppy once, so I've hated him all along!or
Kenpachi: the hell are you doing, hanging out with Aizens minions?
Nell: I hate Aizen, I've chosen to defect!It is completely glossed over.
My whole argument is that for me it's obvious Nel must've not been that loyal to Aizen in the first place. She was a soldier who did her duty only because she was told to. She did nothing beyond that. If she was extremely loyal to Aizen she would have turned on Ichigo, but since she didn't that shows us that not only is she grateful for his protection but she isn't Aizen's little lackey. Her implied lack of complete loyalty to Aizen answers why she didn't turn on Ichigo. If that's not enough then her gratefulness to Ichigo explains why she didn't do it. The lack of discussion about it in the manga was probably Kubo thinking it didn't need to be explained.
The whole point of my recruitment argument is to show Nel wouldn't even want to go back to Aizen anyway, most likely. That's not even how she got into his army.
BTW, Aizen starte recruiting the Espada since 50 years ago at most, as when he approached Barragan with Gin and Tousen, they both already were Captains (and we know that Gin became a Captain around 50 years ago, together with Byakuya).
Where were Tessai & Ryuuken when Aizen attacked their town?
What the hell are those kids that live with Urahara?
Where were the or shinigami in FKT arc?
WTF happened to Kensei?
How did so many women survive attacks from hollows?
How is whatshisface a fox when everyone else is human?
How can shinigami have children?
Why does Orihime exist?
What are Yoruichi measurements?
Do you think Soi-Fon would date me?
Aaroniero would have been my favorite Espada, if he wouldn't have relied solely on his one out of 30,000 powers (to transform into Kaen and become a bishi). His non-transformed design wasn't bishi and his release looked pretty intimidating.
Daz's and Nobodyman's posts on the whole Nel alliance have me thinking. Maybe that's why Kubo turned her back into a child and then erased her from existance. He didn't want to bother and put the spotlight on her defiance from Aizen's side.
…..
Late, I know.
Daz's and Nobodyman's posts on the whole Nel alliance have me thinking. Maybe that's why Kubo turned her back into a child and then erased her from existance. He didn't want to bother and put the spotlight on her defiance from Aizen's side.
…..
Late, I know.
Yeah, Kubo tends to stay away from things that would require actual thought.
I think most of Kubo's attention (aside form drawing Azien) is trying to come up with a new way of showing the chapter number, inside the chapters sumwere, hurp durp (omg the wallz, omg the teeth).
My point is that it wasn't all speculation and no matter who joined Aizen, or by what means or for what purpose, in every case it was Aizen going to them.
What the hell does it matter who contacted whom?! If they didn't want to join Aizen they could have refused him and fought back. But they didn't, they joined up because Aizen made them offers, things they desired. That Aizen propably found them doesn't change that Ulq, Zommari, the bitches, Harribel even Dordonni, were all loyal followers seeking Aizen Samas attention. Random birdface arrancar and Barragan remain the only exceptions. There is NOTHING indicating that Nell is an exception as well, her attitude was pretty much excactly like Harribels: Loyal, no-nonsense warrior.
@Outerspec:
I think you're mistaken about Dordonni's former rank. We don't know his former rank. You might have gotten the "3" figure from all this talk about 3's when referring to the "former" Espada.
He introduces himself as number 103.
http://www.mangareader.net/94-704-12/bleach/chapter-250.html
seriously, very same chapter you quoted from.
And even if the privaron numbers have no relation to previous rank, we know that at least 3 privaron espada existed. Meaning that at the very least the 3 weakest old espada were demoted.
Nnoitra was number 8.
10-3=7
meaning that Nnoitra should have been axed as well.
Shit doesn't add up, bro.
@Outerspec:
Don't forget Soldier A becomes friends with the French people who took care of him and once regained his memory decided the French treated him better.
I don't think you get my metaphor.
It's more like Soldier A befriends the Nazis, who seem okay with his obvious britishness, and even when Soldier A remembers that he's a british soldier no less, everything is still A-ok, no questions asked. Not even a "We part as enemies, my friend".
Please don't make me translate the metaphor any further.
@Outerspec:
But hey, Soldier A born in Britain is loyal to that country and whoever is in charge of it because that's how he was raised from birth. National pride to your country and leader. So maybe he will rejoin the army and fight the good fight.
Nel was recruited in Aizen's army after who knows how many years of doing her own thing, hardly knows the guy, and as far we can tell only carried out his orders and went no further than that. We don't kow how loyal she was to him and it seems the Espada are very independent beings. The notion of Churchill leading a war and commanding an army of British soldiers is vastly different from Aizen leading a war and commanding a group of recruited soldiers who've shared no bond with him in any shape or form until very recently. And that bond was to be used as Aizen's tools which Dordonni easily figured out.
You seem to mix up forced conscription into an army for your countrys sake whether you want to or not with the volountary process of recruitment. But again, you assume everyone absolutely hated being a part of Aizens army, with only one or two examples to go on.
And what exactly does a hollow lose by joining Aizen? He makes them stronger, being unified gives them protection, he gives them a chance to destroy soul society, and gives them a new leader of the universe, on the hollows side. Seems like a pretty sweet deal to me. And remember why Nell saved Nnoitra in the flashbacks? She didn't want the espada to lose a member. Right ,that totally sounds like someone who doesn't care about others and don't give a shit about Aizens army.
@Outerspec:
My whole argument is that for me it's obvious Nel must've not been that loyal to Aizen in the first place. She was a soldier who did her duty only because she was told to. She did nothing beyond that. If she was extremely loyal to Aizen she would have turned on Ichigo, but since she didn't that shows us that not only is she grateful for his protection but she isn't Aizen's little lackey. Her implied lack of complete loyalty to Aizen answers why she didn't turn on Ichigo. If that's not enough then her gratefulness to Ichigo explains why she didn't do it. The lack of discussion about it in the manga was probably Kubo thinking it didn't need to be explained.
All the things you say here are just stuff in your head. You can't use the lack of an explanation to say it doesn't need to be explained.
Nells gratitude to ichigo might trump her loyalty to Aizen.
She might have hated him all along.
She might have been looking for a chance to revolt.
But Kubo never tells us any of this. He leaves a void in the story.
Imagine reading Lord of the rings, and one chapter they find a wounded Orc. Next chapter the Orc has joined the fellowship, and this is never discussed, ever.
My reaction: What the fuck?
Your reaction: ah, the fact that the orc joined with no objections from anyone means that he has a grudge against Sauron and the actions of his own race, and has been looking for a chance to redeem himself, and shows that other characters aren't inheretdly prejudiced towards orcs, not even the elves, and…
etc
Hell, lets look at One Piece.
Remember when Robin joined the team, with no objections from anyone?
Or when everyone instantly forgot Bon Clay had been an enemy?
No?
Because that didn't happen, and would have been shitty storytelling, whether we readers could go "this means that those characters were never really evil and the others must know that" or not in our heads.
@Outerspec:
The whole point of my recruitment argument is to show Nel wouldn't even want to go back to Aizen anyway, most likely. That's not even how she got into his army.
SPECULATION. This is all goddamn speculation. Aizen might have threatened to kill Nells puppy if she didn't let herself get "recruited" into his army, but she might JUST AS WELL have sought out Aizen because she thought he was a visionary unifying force for the hollows.
But we don't fucking know.
What we do know is that many hollows were completely devoted to Aizen and his goals, and had absolutely no qualms with joining him, rather the opposite.
Your "forced Recruitment = Aizen hate" backstory for Nell is completely groundless. If you just respond with "Aizen forced the hollows to serve him" and "Nells allegiance not being talked about is an explanation in itself to me" don't expect a reply.
Vol. 49 cover. In the words of Dark Helmet:
"I CAN'T BREATHE IN THIS THING!"
Why is his name romanized all of a sudden?
@Tokoro:
[qimg]http://i54.tinypic.com/29pomrr.jpg[/qimg]
Vol. 49 cover. In the words of Dark Helmet:
"I CAN'T BREATHE IN THIS THING!"
Whats that picture got to do with the story at all?
Bleach is Kubos personal outlet for fashionable clothes he himself would never be able to wear.
@Tokoro:
[qimg]http://i54.tinypic.com/29pomrr.jpg[/qimg]
Vol. 49 cover. In the words of Dark Helmet:
"I CAN'T BREATHE IN THIS THING!"
Kubotit
KUBOTIT
It's essentially proving, once again (and for all time) the truth: this series is style over substance…since style is all it (claims) to have with no substance whatsoever.
@Sonic:
Bleach is Kubos personal outlet for fashionable clothes he himself would never be able to wear.
Only white and black clothes too.
Ichigo is probably wearing a real life cloths. I wouldn't be surprised, the anime's openings are always showing characters wearing real life cloths.
I wonder if Bleach goes in the fashion category at bookstores now?
There's a story?
This post is way too long. I think I'm done after this. Overall, the whole disagreement is a matter of opinion. What one settles for and what others want.
! @The:
! > What the hell does it matter who contacted whom?! If they didn't want to join Aizen they could have refused him and fought back. But they didn't, they joined up because Aizen made them offers, things they desired. That Aizen propably found them doesn't change that Ulq, Zommari, the bitches, Harribel even Dordonni, were all loyal followers seeking Aizen Samas attention. Random birdface arrancar and Barragan remain the only exceptions.
! Honestly, I don't care why they joined Aizen's army because I already know why "they" joined his army. We're talking about Nel here and how she was recruited into the army, based off the fact that everyone else was recruited too. Now before you go into "why does it matter" I'll explain why.
! Her being recruited into Aizen's army is the only sure thing we know about how she got there! That's the only reason why I brought it up. To state the only known fact dealing with her joining Aizen's army. We don't know what methods of bribery, tactics, fear, intimidation, or persuasion Aizen used to get Nel. So while you can talk about why other Espada joined up with Aizen you're simply implying that maybe Nel joined the same way too.
! > There is NOTHING indicating that Nell is an exception as well, her attitude was pretty much excactly like Harribels: Loyal, no-nonsense warrior.
! There's nothing indicating Nel wanted anything from Aizen. You're lumping her into the 'We love you Aizen-sama' group based on "she followed orders". That's it. Hey, Barragan followed orders too…after getting his ass kicked. And we all know he held no love for Aizen.
! Once again, we don't know how Nel came into Aizen's army besides Aizen coming to her. Her 'Harribel demeanor' indicates to you that she must have been like most of the others. Her following orders to me indicates she's not stupid and she knows not doing what Aizen wants would only get her killed.
! > He introduces himself as number 103.
http://www.mangareader.net/94-704-12/bleach/chapter-250.html
seriously, very same chapter you quoted from.And even if the privaron numbers have no relation to previous rank, we know that at least 3 privaron espada existed. Meaning that at the very least the 3 weakest old espada were demoted.
Nnoitra was number 8.
10-3=7meaning that Nnoitra should have been axed as well.
Shit doesn't add up, bro.
! Forgive me but I'm confused as shit here. And it's not your fault. You seem to be knowledgeable in Bleach so I need your help in figuring this out, and I think you hinted at this indiscrepancy earlier.
! Alright, I assume Nel and Nnorita weren't Espada back in the Privaron Espada days. The only "current" Espada that was an Espada back in those days was Aaroniero.
! >! Right or wrong? The next generation of Espada came after Aizen obtained the Hougyoku.
! >! (Aaroniero is in that picture for some reason but apparently he was apart of the old generation of Espada according to the previous pic.)
! Anyway, Nel and Nnorita must have come after Aizen stole the Hougyoku from Rukia. Aizen was defeated months later.
! Yet, according to Nnorita after he took Nel out and she was gone for years. How could she be gone for years if the time between Aizen creating the new Espada (with the Hougyoku) and his demise was only a few months? Am I missing something here or does time travel faster in Hueco Mundo?
! > I don't think you get my metaphor.
It's more like Soldier A befriends the Nazis, who seem okay with his obvious britishness, and even when Soldier A remembers that he's a british soldier no less, everything is still A-ok, no questions asked. Not even a "We part as enemies, my friend".Please don't make me translate the metaphor any further.
! You're right, I didn't get the metaphor.
! > You seem to mix up forced conscription into an army for your countrys sake whether you want to or not with the volountary process of recruitment. But again, you assume everyone absolutely hated being a part of Aizens army, with only one or two examples to go on.
! I admit I was terribly wrong on why many of the Espada joined up with Aizen. After all I did say,
! "I don't believe any of the Espada were loyal to Aizen because they wanted to be. They did it out of fear of his power."
! > And what exactly does a hollow lose by joining Aizen? He makes them stronger, being unified gives them protection, he gives them a chance to destroy soul society, and gives them a new leader of the universe, on the hollows side. Seems like a pretty sweet deal to me. And remember why Nell saved Nnoitra in the flashbacks? She didn't want the espada to lose a member. Right ,that totally sounds like someone who doesn't care about others and don't give a shit about Aizens army.
! I never said she doesn't give a shit about Aizen's army or other people but her not turning on Ichigo shows, if anything, her loyalty with Aizen could not have been that strong. Her helping Ichigo, if anything, shows she cares about people, especially the ones who have taken care of her. Remember Aizen used the Espada as tools. Why would she want to go back to that?
! > All the things you say here are just stuff in your head.
! All in my head? Was Nel not a loyal soldier to Aizen? Was Nel not grateful for Ichigo's protection? This is the kind of stuff you claim I'm conjuring out of thin air.
! > You can't use the lack of an explanation to say it doesn't need to be explained.
Nells gratitude to ichigo might trump her loyalty to Aizen.
! Nell deciding to save Ichigo instead of going back to serve Aizen says nothing? Maybe I am making this all up in my head. Silly me.
! > She might have hated him all along.
! I don't believe I even implied this.
! > She might have been looking for a chance to revolt.
! Or this…so I assume those above two lines were examples of things I might as well have been making up in my head. Or examples of situations that Kubo could have used to satisfy your desire for an explanation on why Nel didn't turn on Ichigo.
! > But Kubo never tells us any of this. He leaves a void in the story.Imagine reading Lord of the rings, and one chapter they find a wounded Orc. Next chapter the Orc has joined the fellowship, and this is never discussed, ever.
My reaction: What the fuck?
Your reaction: ah, the fact that the orc joined with no objections from anyone means that he has a grudge against Sauron and the actions of his own race, and has been looking for a chance to redeem himself, and shows that other characters aren't inheretdly prejudiced towards orcs, not even the elves, and…
etc
! No, I never said Nel must have a grudge against Aizen or the actions of the Hollows. I never even said she disliked Aizen. In fact, I've always stated she was a loyal soldier who did her duty, nothing more and nothing less. But from her actions of…
! 1.) Protecting Ichigo from Nnorita
! and
! 2.) Fighting Nnoritia
! Two things are very clear. The same two things I stated earlier already. All Nel did was protect Ichigo, who protected her, and fight the guy that betrayed her. The End!
! Do I really need an explanation for why she did these things? Really? I think the last thing we saw of Nel was her opening her eyes and looking at Nnoitra.
! >!
! > SPECULATION. This is all goddamn speculation. Aizen might have threatened to kill Nells puppy if she didn't let herself get "recruited" into his army, but she might JUST AS WELL have sought out Aizen because she thought he was a visionary unifying force for the hollows.But we don't fucking know.
! This I can agree on. We don't fucking know. We don't know a lot of stuff so how in the hell can we even assume Nel's a "good guy" after Kubo seemingly forgot about her?
! From the very beginning I've asked why label her a "good guy" when all she did was help Ichigo and fight off Nnorita? Most likely she will turn out to be as much of a good guy as possible for a character in her situation but right now…
! If we're going to look at One Piece a bit should we label Crocodile a "good guy" because he helped Luffy?
! > What we do know is that many hollows were completely devoted to Aizen and his goals, and had absolutely no qualms with joining him, rather the opposite.
Your "forced Recruitment = Aizen hate" backstory for Nell is completely groundless. If you just respond with "Aizen forced the hollows to serve him" and "Nells allegiance not being talked about is an explanation in itself to me" don't expect a reply.
! Again…well, nvm I think I covered this enough.
! No explanation does not equal an explanation for me. I just find it obvious that Nel acted accordingly. I can't emphasize this enough but we don't even know what happened with Nel afterwards. It's not like she woke up, high-fived Kenpachi, shook hands with all the Shinigami around her, and said fuck you Aizen.
! If asked my only problem with how Kubo handled this is him not going back to Nel after all this is done. I wouldn't need an explanation to explain her actions for me. I wouldn't need to know why she did it or why she didn't turn on Ichigo.
Well. This thread has more plot than the actual manga.
@Tokoro:
[qimg]http://i54.tinypic.com/29pomrr.jpg[/qimg]
Vol. 49 cover. In the words of Dark Helmet:
"I CAN'T BREATHE IN THIS THING!"
That is perhaps the single most metro-sexual bleach cover ever.
@Tokoro:
http://i54.tinypic.com/29pomrr.jpg
Vol. 49 cover. In the words of Dark Helmet:
"I CAN'T BREATHE IN THIS THING!"
If there's one thing I would like to do in life, it's to take that volume and slap Kubo upside the head with it.
@Mr.333:
That is perhaps the single most metro-sexual bleach cover ever.
You do realise we had Szayel on a cover right ?
@Tokoro:
http://i54.tinypic.com/29pomrr.jpg
Vol. 49 cover. In the words of Dark Helmet:
"I CAN'T BREATHE IN THIS THING!"
That's like, everything wrong with Bleach right there. And a pretty good gauge of peoples manga tastes.
"Look at this cover. The volume takes place in summer, and he never wears this thing"
Decent taste manga fan: "Oh. Then whats the point of the cover?"
Shitty taste manga fan: "So? It looks cool!"
This post is way too long. I think I'm done after this. Overall, the whole disagreement is a matter of opinion. What one settles for and what others want.
Discussions with Outerspec in a nuthsell. I'm getting sick of repeating myself, and fear that further discussion with bring my agressiveness to Zephos levels.
I wont bother with anything except this:
@Outerspec:
Forgive me but I'm confused as shit here. And it's not your fault. You seem to be knowledgeable in Bleach so I need your help in figuring this out, and I think you hinted at this indiscrepancy earlier.
Alright, I assume Nel and Nnorita weren't Espada back in the Privaron Espada days. The only "current" Espada that was an Espada back in those days was Aaroniero.
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[/hide]Right or wrong? The next generation of Espada came after Aizen obtained the Hougyoku.
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Spoiler:
[/hide](Aaroniero is in that picture for some reason but apparently he was apart of the old generation of Espada according to the previous pic.)
Anyway, Nel and Nnorita must have come after Aizen stole the Hougyoku from Rukia. Aizen was defeated months later.
Yet, according to Nnorita after he took Nel out and she was gone for years. How could she be gone for years if the time between Aizen creating the new Espada (with the Hougyoku) and his demise was only a few months? Am I missing something here or does time travel faster in Hueco Mundo?
Thats what I've been saying all along. It doesn't make sense. Theres simply no way Nell could have been gone for years. It's a plothole.
@Tokoro:
http://i54.tinypic.com/29pomrr.jpg
Vol. 49 cover. In the words of Dark Helmet:
"I CAN'T BREATHE IN THIS THING!"
Hey! I chew on draw strings too, Ichigo!
ARGH. POLAR BEAR LINING. NASTY.
@The:
That's like, everything wrong with Bleach right there. And a pretty good gauge of peoples manga tastes.
"Look at this cover. The volume takes place in summer, and he never wears this thing"
Decent taste manga fan: "Oh. Then whats the point of the cover?"
Shitty taste manga fan: "So? It looks cool!"
Discussions with Outerspec in a nuthsell. I'm getting sick of repeating myself, and fear that further discussion with bring my agressiveness to Zephos levels.
I wont bother with anything except this:
Thats what I've been saying all along. It doesn't make sense. Theres simply no way Nell could have been gone for days. It's a plothole.
Another plothole for the swiss cheese that is Bleach. I don't think it's humanly possible to keep track of all of Kubo's plotholes. The only thing new chapters of Bleach really do is create more plotholes.
Plotholes within plotholes and plotholes within those.
BLEACH!
Why I always believed there is little to no point in trying to follow Bleach's timeline or power levels. It just manages to confuse me.
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What Kubo needs to eventually do:
1.) Find replacement captains for Gin, Tousen, and Aizen. Pull them out of his ass or promote the vice captains. Others may just want Kubo to keep it as it is now, but all I see are captainless divisions run by Shinigami who haven't even achieved Bankai.
2.) Give Yachiru and Unohana a fight.
3.) Connect all this Fullbringer stuff to The King and the society above Soul Society so we can have promise of seeing Squad 0 soon. The Fullbringer Arc should not just be used for giving Ichigo his powers back.
4.) Make Inoue useful again. Yes, there was a time.
5.) Reveal the Bankai's of the captain's we haven't seen from yet.
6.) Make Ichigo's little sisters Shinigami.
End the manga.
Why I always believed there is little to no point in trying to follow Bleach's timeline or power levels. It just manages to confuse me.
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What Kubo needs to eventually do:
1.) Find replacement captains for Gin, Tousen, and Aizen. Pull them out of his ass or promote the vice captains. Others may just want Kubo to keep it as it is now, but all I see are captainless divisions run by Shinigami who haven't even achieved Bankai.
2.) Give Yachiru and Unohana a fight.
3.) Connect all this Fullbringer stuff to The King and the society above Soul Society so we can have promise of seeing Squad 0 soon. The Fullbringer Arc should not just be used for giving Ichigo his powers back.
4.) Make Inoue useful again. Yes, there was a time.
5.) Reveal the Bankai's of the captain's we haven't seen from yet.
6.) Make Ichigo's little sisters Shinigami.
End the manga.
Recquires planning.
And you know that he himself stated he's too cool to do that
So there I was watching the Bleach dub for the first time.
Things were going well until I heard Ichigo start doing the usual fight yells.
I thought to myself, hey this sounds familiar. Then, as the fighting sounds went on, it slowly clicked.
I thought, no, oh merciful God no…
Then, as I browsed Wikipedia in an attempt to quash this feeling of abject horror, my greatest fear was confirmed:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
You know, Power Rangers was far more entertaining then Bleach is these days.
At least there were the monster costumes to look at.
And not door bells.
Also apparently in Japanese Shrimpo shares a voice actor with Giorno fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-
Uhm, Giorno ?
I kinda only watched the first two seasons guys so…...
Anyway, Nel and Nnorita must have come after Aizen stole the Hougyoku from Rukia. Aizen was defeated months later.
Yet, according to Nnorita after he took Nel out and she was gone for years. How could she be gone for years if the time between Aizen creating the new Espada (with the Hougyoku) and his demise was only a few months? Am I missing something here or does time travel faster in Hueco Mundo?
Aizen had his own Hougyoku. It wasn't perfect, but Urahara's Hougyoku wasn't perfect either.
I think Aizen's own Hougyoku was enough for this kind of thing.
@Cyan:
So there I was watching the Bleach dub for the first time.
Things were going well until I heard Ichigo start doing the usual fight yells.
I thought to myself, hey this sounds familiar. Then, as the fighting sounds went on, it slowly clicked.
I thought, no, oh merciful God no…
Then, as I browsed Wikipedia in an attempt to quash this feeling of abject horror, my greatest fear was confirmed:
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/453/johnnyyoungbosch.jpg
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Hey Cyan, Johnny Yong Bosch kicks ass and don't you forget it.
@Cyan:
Also apparently in Japanese Shrimpo shares a voice actor with Giorno fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-
What?! Is this fucking real?!
Johnny Yong Bosch also has a band.
WHO WANTS TO HEAR ICHIGO SING?!
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Johnny Yong Bosch also has a band.
WHO WANTS TO HEAR ICHIGO SING?!
naGLQ07ttUA
In terms of lyrics, Eyeshine seems to be the family friendly version of Children of Bodom.
I have a friend that thinks Bleach is pure gold an I tryed to explain to him why it's pure shit an he's in complete denial. Than he tells me that I don't give anything a chance. Now i'll give any series a chance even ones with artstyle's that i'm not comfortable with looking at (like CLAMP) yet he would not read One Piece because it "Looked weird" yeah he gave me that excuse.
EDIT: Eyeshine sucks, I listened to a couple of their songs and could not stand it, great if everyone else likes it i'm just stating my piece of mind.
@Kareem:
Hey Cyan, Johnny Yong Bosch kicks ass and don't you forget it.
Heh, for the first I saw it, I thought he was referring to Walter Jones.
Oh, I found it funny that someone found a pic of "Urahara" in the Heart Pirates…at least he knew which manga in Jump is the safe one that doesn't suck.
Eyeshine is so horrid. Like…I need nachos while I listen to their cheesy lyrics.
@Tokoro:
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Vol. 49 cover. In the words of Dark Helmet:"I CAN'T BREATHE IN THIS THING!"
At least it's not Riruka. ….Although, it doesn't really fit.....
@Cyan:
So there I was watching the Bleach dub for the first time.
Things were going well until I heard Ichigo start doing the usual fight yells.
I thought to myself, hey this sounds familiar. Then, as the fighting sounds went on, it slowly clicked.
I thought, no, oh merciful God no…
Then, as I browsed Wikipedia in an attempt to quash this feeling of abject horror, my greatest fear was confirmed:
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Holy shit he was the Black Power Ranger? Rofl…
Eyeshine is so horrid. Like…I need nachos while I listen to their cheesy lyrics.
You know who needs to start a band? Jason David Frank.
It'd be an awesome Foo Fighters-sort of thing with lyrics about shark monsters.
Aizen had his own Hougyoku. It wasn't perfect, but Urahara's Hougyoku wasn't perfect either.
I think Aizen's own Hougyoku was enough for this kind of thing.
Ah, yes, the old Hougyoku. I thought about that but didn't give it any serious thought since Aizen commented on how imperfect it was. I didn't know if it could accomplish making an Espada. Then you reminded me that Urahara's Hougyoku was imperfect too. Now, if Aizen made a 2nd generation of Espada and demoted the 1st generation of Espada once he created his own Hougyoku (the first Hougyoku) then he was dealing with the Espada since he was a Vice Captain.
! Notice the kimino. And Aizen has held on to his own Hougyoku since then. So Aizen could have created Nel and Nnoitra many years before taking Urahara's Hougyoku? Hmmm….
Though, the Hougyoku Dordonni was talking about makes it sound like Aizen had to get it. Not something that he was creating.
! But once you have both perspectives in your head, "what it sounds like", can go either way.
Why I always believed there is little to no point in trying to follow Bleach's timeline or power levels. It just manages to confuse me.
–---------------------------------------------
What Kubo needs to eventually do:
1.) Find replacement captains for Gin, Tousen, and Aizen. Pull them out of his ass or promote the vice captains. Others may just want Kubo to keep it as it is now, but all I see are captainless divisions run by Shinigami who haven't even achieved Bankai.
2.) Give Yachiru and Unohana a fight.
3.) Connect all this Fullbringer stuff to The King and the society above Soul Society so we can have promise of seeing Squad 0 soon. The Fullbringer Arc should not just be used for giving Ichigo his powers back.
4.) Make Inoue useful again. Yes, there was a time.
5.) Reveal the Bankai's of the captain's we haven't seen from yet.
6.) Make Ichigo's little sisters Shinigami.
End the manga.
Not just that, also the Bankais of the Vizards, if they ever appear in the story again.