Damn, Hanzou defeated in one chapter?! I know Mifune may have evolved all these ages and something like that, but this is extremely bullshit! Hanzou is strong enough to give a hard time to Mifune. And about this one, Kishimoto is trying to make us care about some recent random characters again like he did with Darui, but this ended wrong, just like that two brothers.
Naruto Thread IV
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But we still remember who easily got owned by Danzou using Sharingan genjutsu, right? :wassat:
Fixed, because this word alone means everything.
Remember that no one noticed it and that in shisui's sharingan's case, the target was controlled without noticing it.
But yeah, that was lame from Hanzou…
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He's an anime only that saw Pain the Hedgehog, decided to read the manga because he found the anime shitty, and now came to the natural conclusion.
That's the theory anyway.
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So a powerful samurai, talking about what's needed to defeat ninjas, has a technique to counter ninjutsu and is skilled and clever enough to use it quickly if the need arises…
But we still remember who easily got owned by Danzou using genjutsu, right? :wassat:
What else is there to say... Hanzou losing so easily is ridiculous, Kishi trying to make us care about one overhyped character and one side character we barely know is ridiculous. Shitty chapter, considering those circumstances.
Who cares? Kishimoto didn't develop any character in this fucking war that we can care about, none gives a shit who dies and who doesn't, they don't mean anything, Hanzou, death Akazukis, Dumbass brothers, etc.
Who the fuck besides someone who watches an anime because of fights is liking this war? none, Kishimoto hasn't made anyone care enough to like the fucking war.
There is nothing wrong with the samurai beating Hanzou one chapter or not, we don't care about either of them.
WE DON'T CARE KISHIMOTO.
To finish it's sad, I though Kishimoto would pull a good enough war but since Kabutomaru ressurected every death character in the series I knew it was going to be shit.
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Who the fuck is Hanzou?
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Who the fuck is Hanzou?
He was the guy who ruled the rain Village until Pain and his Merry Men killed him and he kicked the asses of the Sennin in their youth. That's about all we know.
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No it doesnt….
Yes it does, Chopper has grown, and haven't devolved into the untrusty mess that he was at the start of the story or into a missplaced mesiah complex/extreme fangirl attitude in serious moments, or to a bland blob.
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No it doesnt….
What is your personal poll based on? Is it badass rating. It shouldn't be surprising that a character that everyone has seen grow along with the rest of the Strawhats, instead of the characters that you've listed, would be in the top 10
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Read this week's chapter.
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Um, I'll be honest with you guys. I got jack shit to say about it. It was just horrible, with some crap about rusty katanas and such. And Hanzou's mask started to look even lamer when you realize that he's pretty much always worn it, like he's the Naruto equivalent of B.D.
Except stupider looking.
Hell, for all I know Hanzou's view of peace being stupid might even make him a conservative. -
When he popped up a few chapters ago with pretty much zero fanfare, I wasn't expecting much, and lo and behold, it wasn't.
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What is your personal poll based on? Is it badass rating. It shouldn't be surprising that a character that everyone has seen grow along with the rest of the Strawhats, instead of the characters that you've listed, would be in the top 10
No its just that those characters are more developed and more deep than Chopper…and in less arcs...
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No its just that those characters are more developed and more deep than Chopper…and in less arcs...
No they aren't you like them more then Chopper because they look cooler and are darker.
Chopper is a cute little bugger that is probably 4th because of that but saying any of the SHs besides maybe Brook or Franky(wich aren't either) are underdeveloped you are just being stupid sir.
It's just as shallow to vote for Chopper because of the cuteness only just like the emo and the cool black dudes but your reasoning is just dumb.
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so about this horrible chapter.
why should i give a shit about any of those characters fighting?
don't give me some random guy we've never seen before versus a samurai who we've seen growl a few times at a meeting and thats it.the fight was just there, peppered with a few reasons out of the blue about ninja's buying out samurai schools out of nowhere and then finished the fight.
and i thought chakra meat was bad.
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Guys you'll look back at this and be all: Wow, this was actually necessary!
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Who exactly is Mumbo?
It's OFFICIAL, UsoppXNami 4ever.
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@Sonic:
Guys you'll look back at this and be all: Wow, this was actually necessary!
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Doubting this with the force of a million suns.
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so about this horrible chapter.
why should i give a shit about any of those characters fighting?
don't give me some random guy we've never seen before versus a samurai who we've seen growl a few times at a meeting and thats it.the fight was just there, peppered with a few reasons out of the blue about ninja's buying out samurai schools out of nowhere and then finished the fight.
and i thought chakra meat was bad.
Hanzo WAS mentioned before and seen in flashbacks. He even got some hype due to him defeating the three sannin, so he is certainly no noname character.
Still he isn't a developed character either, of course. But this is not nearly as bad as the two brothers, who were just made up on the spot.
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No its just that those characters are more developed and more deep than Chopper…and in less arcs...
How the in hell did you get to that conclusion? You must be skimming through chapters looking at poses and shots of fights and equating them to character development :getlost: -
Hanzo WAS mentioned before and seen in flashbacks. He even got some hype due to him defeating the three sannin, so he is certainly no noname character.
Still he isn't a developed character either, of course. But this is not nearly as bad as the two brothers, who were just made up on the spot.
The issue is yeah he appeared before but Kishimoto didn't work the character at all, we dont fucking care if he shows up, if he dies ,wtv I wasn't excited at all for seeing the dude.
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The issue is yeah he appeared before but Kishimoto didn't work the character at all, we dont fucking care if he shows up, if he dies ,wtv I wasn't excited at all for seeing the dude.
As I said, he still is an underdeveloped character and him being mentioned before does not excuse that or makes the chapter any better. Saying he is as bad as the two chakra meat eating brothers related to the sage who both never got mentioned before (and only once got hinted at before) is an overstatement in my opinion though. At least Hanzo did not suddenly pull tailed-beast chakra out of his ass.
Personally I was kind of excited to see his actual abilities, but that only adds to the disappointment over this chapter.
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As I said, he still is an underdeveloped character and him being mentioned before does not excuse that or makes the chapter any better. Saying he is as bad as the two chakra meat eating brothers related to the sage who both never got mentioned before (and only once got hinted at before) is an overstatement in my opinion though. At least Hanzo did not suddenly pull tailed-beast chakra out of his ass.
Personally I was kind of excited to see his actual abilities, but that only adds to the disappointment over this chapter.
Ofc it doesn't make the chapter better, like I said this war the entire war, was shit, we don't care for 95% of the characters in it.
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Pretty avarage chapter. Sure, the whole samurai vs ninja thing could been more explaned so we actually cared. I sorta liked the fight but in the end i didn't care for none of 'em.
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Who the fuck is Hanzou?
I'm glad I wasn't the only one asking this after reading the chapter.
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I'm glad I wasn't the only one asking this after reading the chapter.
Unfortunatly, I remember who he is.
Powerful ninja, named the legendary ninjas of kohona. Incredible catious of him. -
Didn't he kill Tiny, too?
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So Mifune and Chiyo both has fought Hanzo at some point.
And two weeks ago, Kakuzu talked like he'd seen Kinkakus transformation before.
And the GinKin bros fought the second Hokage.…
Why does every character need to have met and fought several other unrelated characters to a draw Kishimoto? Because its bad enough that Konoha is literally one big happy family, but at this point I wouldn't be surprised if Dan the Ninja is the current Mizukages cousin or something.
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This week's chapter…. more characters fighting that we don't give a crap about.
The only part I cared about was the sappy Asuma scene. Dammit, I love Asuma :( he's so cool.
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Well, Kakuzu is like 80 years old, I think. So him relating to some "historical" characters is not that far-fetched.
Far worse is that it was mentioned they could be related to the sage, just because they are powerful.
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The issue is yeah he appeared before but Kishimoto didn't work the character at all, we dont fucking care if he shows up, if he dies ,wtv I wasn't excited at all for seeing the dude.
I was very hyped and severely depressed when kishi shitted on yet another charcter. He shitted on the name of sannin to hype Hanzou so that he could off panel him to hype pein. After all that he decided he shouldn't even let hanzou pull of one jutsu and get roflstomped according to translators:getlost:.
And his mighty almost legendary summoning,…. turns out swords are sharp and a samurai can easily cut out of him. Great move hanzou/kishi. To top this magnificent chapter off the guy who beat hanzou is a total faggot with bullshit reasoning no personality no hype and a sweet poem for all the young kids in japan to get moist off of.
FUCK U KISHI FUCK U VERY MUCH.
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I liked this chapter a lot actually it shows why a guy who beat all three of the senin could lose to others, I liked the metaphor too, and the last two pages looked good, I don't think he's beaten though since he's a zombie
the only thing I was pissed about was kimmamrio having a tough time with fodder, WTF he's got no illness now he should be pwning bitches
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all you do is show how ignorant you are. im sure the polls were proposed on them and what do you expect people to do huh? "hey naruto sucks so lets not vote" does that ever happen…..NO
Or better yet, "let's vote for a character that's actually good".
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Another nice scenario in this chapter
Mifune : Blah blah blah lost your faith…
Reader : Hmm Kabuto now would once again be a nice time to switch off the personality and use the actual raw power this guy is supposed to have (faith or no) ?
No? Not this time either? Another time then maybe...Zombie 4 dies due to not switching off that damn personality
In all honesty it looks like Kishi himself is mocking his own creation and "fans" because even a child could see this right?
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havent' gotten past first page yet in chapter but i must ask
why aren't the white zetsu's WHITE?
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This was a nice chapter.
I liked the converstation between Mifune and Hanzo, the talk about "People are swords" was really neat, seeing that it reflects on Hanzo for some reason not being as sharp as he used to be thanks to him losing his faith in times of peace, whereas Mifune, even in times of peace was moved by his faith to remain strong. Sorta explains as to why Mifune was able to cut through Hanzo's blade this time. Added a bit of depth in the fight between those two. It was also interesting to know that Chiyo also fought Hanzo too, and can cure his poisons.
I also liked the colored pages at the start of the chapter, I see that T10 is gonna find it hard to take on Asuma. I look forward to their battle too.
All in all, it was a nice chapter, I hope that I can see a bit more from Hanzo in the next one. I seriously doubt that this is where it ends for him.
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This was a nice chapter.
I liked the converstation between Mifune and Hanzo, the talk about "People are swords" was really neat, seeing that it reflects on Hanzo for some reason not being as sharp as he used to be thanks to him losing his faith in times of peace, whereas Mifune, even in times of peace was moved by his faith to remain strong. Sorta explains as to why Mifune was able to cut through Hanzo's blade this time. Added a bit of depth in the fight between those two. It was also interesting to know that Chiyo also fought Hanzo too, and can cure his poisons.
I also liked the colored pages at the start of the chapter, I see that T10 is gonna find it hard to take on Asuma. I look forward to their battle too.
All in all, it was a nice chapter, I hope that I can see a bit more from Hanzo in the next one. I seriously doubt that this is where it ends for him.
while the whole concept of the chapter was fine and all, a bit cliche but whatever. what isn't cliche these days. "simpsons did it"
I still find myself having a hard time caring in these chapters. Why should i care that hanzo who we heard his name some couple hundred chapters ago like once, is loosing his edge because he lost faith. he is dead, he is a nobody in this story.
now if this was like sasuke vs naruto and then there is this whole naruto wins by sasuke lossing faith that has more meaning than having someone who is a dead legendary guy that we NEVER MET, being told he lost his faith.
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Kishi knows he lost to Oda. It is so obvious. His goal is to make his series last as long as possible in order to introduce as many characters as possible to sell actions figures and cards.
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havent' gotten past first page yet in chapter but i must ask
why aren't the white zetsu's WHITE?
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I was more distracted by how Kishimoto has given up any pretense of trying to give his female characters feminine characteristics.
seriously, lookin manly there, Ino.
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while the whole concept of the chapter was fine and all, a bit cliche but whatever. what isn't cliche these days. "simpsons did it"
I still find myself having a hard time caring in these chapters. Why should i care that hanzo who we heard his name some couple hundred chapters ago like once, is loosing his edge because he lost faith. he is dead, he is a nobody in this story.
now if this was like sasuke vs naruto and then there is this whole naruto wins by sasuke lossing faith that has more meaning than having someone who is a dead legendary guy that we NEVER MET, being told he lost his faith.
I dunno, maybe us understanding why Hanzo lost so badly to Pein (Apart from Pein being a behemoth) and why Mifune was able to cut him being that he lost his faith…....is supposed to make us care? It's one thing to say that you don't care, despite the author's efforts to make you care, but you're implying that Kishi is having Hanzo lose his faith for no real reason.
We are learning a bit about Hanzo, we learned about his ambitions being to untie the ninja nations as one, we know that he realized that can't happen because of fact that war just leaves death and whatnot, which led to him losing his faith. It's not like Hanzo didn't have a reason. I'm not sure what your problem is.
And what do you mean by a guy we've never met? We saw him back when Jiraiya heard that Pein killed him, and we saw him in the flashback that Nagato had when he was telling Naruto his story, paritcularly when Yahiko dies right in from of him. How is Hanzo a nobody?
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yo whens the last time there was any time devoted to iruka? how can people vote for that guy still?
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I dunno, maybe us understanding why Hanzo lost so badly to Pein (Apart from Pein being a behemoth) and why Mifune was able to cut him being that he lost his faith…....is supposed to make us care? It's one thing to say that you don't care, despite the author's efforts to make you care, but you're implying that Kishi is having Hanzo lose his faith for no real reason.
We are learning a bit about Hanzo, we learned about his ambitions being to untie the ninja nations as one, we know that he realized that can't happen because of fact that war just leaves death and whatnot, which led to him losing his faith. It's not like Hanzo didn't have a reason. I'm not sure what your problem is.
And what do you mean by a guy we've never met? We saw him back when Jiraiya heard that Pein killed him, and we saw him in the flashback that Nagato had when he was telling Naruto his story, paritcularly when Yahiko dies right in from of him. How is Hanzo a nobody?
i'm asking why should we care. this hanzo we just basically knew of his fight that gave tsunade and so their rep. then we later see him kill nagato. just some flashbacks and partial mention
why are we spedning so much time learning about history now of dead characters? mifune? did we ever know that he fought hanzou before? or did we learn that onlyi this chapter and then have him beat him. Its totally random
it be like if in one piece during the war we had VISTA meet say giant john in the battle field and then spend a chapter talking about how vista NEVER beat giant john before and then have him beat him. its pointless. Now if say vegeta FINALLY beats goku, that means something to us. Who cares who wins in a match that we have never seen or even heard about.
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i'm asking why should we care. this hanzo we just basically knew of his fight that gave tsunade and so their rep. then we later see him kill nagato. just some flashbacks and partial mention
why are we spedning so much time learning about history now of dead characters? mifune? did we ever know that he fought hanzou before? or did we learn that onlyi this chapter and then have him beat him. Its totally random
it be like if in one piece during the war we had VISTA meet say giant john in the battle field and then spend a chapter talking about how vista NEVER beat giant john before and then have him beat him. its pointless. Now if say vegeta FINALLY beats goku, that means something to us. Who cares who wins in a match that we have never seen or even heard about.
I think you've got way to much bias against this series, your acting like this is a huge deal, not everything has to be foreshadowed you know
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I think you've got way to much bias against this series, your acting like this is a huge deal, not everything has to be foreshadowed you know
is it that hard to mention something?
i mean how about when we had that hokage meeting at the samurais homebase. would it have been asking to much to have someone mention how the samurai leader is the only person to ever survive a fight against hanzou (even though he lost)
sorry if i'm not liking this chapter trying to pull at our strings with "he FINALLY beat him, and its due to his unresolving faith" When there was no mention of their fight before this chapter, or any mention of ones said faith ever waivering EITHER before this fight
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i'm asking why should we care. this hanzo we just basically knew of his fight that gave tsunade and so their rep. then we later see him kill nagato. just some flashbacks and partial mention
why are we spedning so much time learning about history now of dead characters? mifune? did we ever know that he fought hanzou before? or did we learn that onlyi this chapter and then have him beat him. Its totally random
it be like if in one piece during the war we had VISTA meet say giant john in the battle field and then spend a chapter talking about how vista NEVER beat giant john before and then have him beat him. its pointless. Now if say vegeta FINALLY beats goku, that means something to us. Who cares who wins in a match that we have never seen or even heard about.
Let me ask you a question.
If Kishimoto just had Hanzo and Mifune go at it, just for shits, then Mifune beats Hanzo just like that, then wouldn't you complain about that too?
What is wrong with Kishimoto giving a little characterization to Hanzo? Since when is giving a little depth to the fight by showing both combatant's motivations a bad thing? Why does knowing a bit more about Hanzo and Mifune's beef annoy you so much? I'm asking because your reason (Why should we care) doesn't make much sense. It's almost as if you won't like the battel no matter what.
So Kishi is bad for actually trying now? Like Chopperman said, I think you have a bit too much bias against Naruto.
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Let me ask you a question.
If Kishimoto just had Hanzo and Mifune go at it, just for shits, then Mifune beats Hanzo just like that, then wouldn't you complain about that too?
What is wrong with Kishimoto giving a little characterization to Hanzo? Since when is giving a little depth to the fight by showing both combatant's motivations a bad thing? Why does knowing a bit more about Hanzo and Mifune's beef annoy you so much? I'm asking because your reason (Why should we care) doesn't make much sense. It's almost as if you won't like the battel no matter what.
So Kishi is bad for actually trying now? Like Chopperman said, I think you have a bit too much bias against Naruto.
actually no, i would have been fine with it being just that.
we have some legendary ninja fight the current top samurai. no need to FORCE a story between the two
edit: an like i just said, he could have mentioned this prior hanzou/samurai fight as a side blip during the hokage meeting. That was not that long ago at all. should have been able to easily plan on having those two fight in this war. it would not have been HUGE/AMAZING/INSANE foreshadowing or anything due to it being as i said not too long ago. But if he did something as small as that then i would be fine with this bs story
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actually no, i would have been fine with it being just that.
we have some legendary ninja fight the current top samurai. no need to FORCE a story between the two
edit: an like i just said, he could have mentioned this prior hanzou/samurai fight as a side blip during the hokage meeting. That was not that long ago at all. should have been able to easily plan on having those two fight in this war. it would not have been HUGE/AMAZING/INSANE foreshadowing or anything due to it being as i said not too long ago. But if he did something as small as that then i would be fine with this bs story
Really? How would Mifune's battle with Hanzo come up at the Kage meeting? Especially with the focus being on Madara and his Moon's Eye Plan, and Sasuke running amok? Keep in mind that Hanzo was also dead at the time.
How would his battle with Hanzo come up at that point int time, when there are bigger things going on there? It makes more sense for that to be mentioned now, seeing that Hanzo has been revived and Mifune happened to run into him….you know, when the focus is a bit more on them.
Also, I don't think Kishi is forcing a story between them, on the flip side it could be seen as Kishi sorta explaining as to why Hanzo was beaten (Don't forget the flashback with Pein)
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So bland fight WITH no character back-story/personality building is better than one with it that hadn't been mentioned previously
yeah I can't agree with that, better to give forced depth than no depth at all, even if it is only a little still better than none
sabo was forced depth I'd think as he had never been mentioned until the war and you'd think that'd be a huge deal, but he was still awesome and made the story fucking enjoyable(I'm sure I'll get overrun with attacks of how this isn't true now)
granted this isn't close to that but at least it gave some depth to the fight instead of just a bland sword fight, I can understand not liking the chapter but for that reason I can't
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Really? How would Mifune's battle with Hanzo come up at the Kage meeting? Especially with the focus being on Madara and his Moon's Eye Plan, and Sasuke running amok? Keep in mind that Hanzo was also dead at the time.
How would his battle with Hanzo come up at that point int time, when there are bigger things going on there? It makes more sense for that to be mentioned now, seeing that Hanzo has been revived and Mifune happened to run into him….you know, when the focus is a bit more on them.
Also, I don't think Kishi is forcing a story between them, on the flip side it could be seen as Kishi sorta explaining as to why Hanzo was beaten (Don't forget the flashback with Pein)
could have been casually mentioned by one of the kage's little bitches that follow them around
you know like harry potter style. as soon as tehy enter the room they say something like "ooh thats the dude who survived hanzo" bam, thats all that needed to be said, or done. nothing mroe. doesn't take away anything, causally mentioned.
it would be like when ace was dying and he mentioned sabo. it meant nothing to us and we had no idea what it was back then. then soon enough we learn. like i said this kage meeting wasn't that long ago. kishi could have easily planned this fight since then.
@choperman:So bland fight WITH no character back-story/personality building is better than one with it that hadn't been mentioned previously
yeah I can't agree with that, better to give forced depth than no depth at all, even if it is only a little still better than none
sabo was forced depth I'd think as he had never been mentioned until the war and you'd think that'd be a huge deal, but he was still awesome and made the story fucking enjoyable(I'm sure I'll get overrun with attacks of how this isn't true now)
granted this isn't close to that but at least it gave some depth to the fight instead of just a bland sword fight, I can understand not liking the chapter but for that reason I can't
yes a random fight between amazing guys is better than a FORCED story.
look at one piece war. Marco fought kizaru. Jozu fought aojige. Vista fought Mihawk. croc fought doflamingo. Go on think back, there are a crap load of other fights between legendary guys in that war. How many of them got some FORCED story to make it mroe interesting? NONE. We only got flashbacks and stories on things that MATTERED.
