The Crew's Bounty

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

I was thinking about how much the WG\marine raises the bountys before they just dont get any higher. I mean WB sure had a superhigh bounty but that bounty wasnt raised in many years, because making it higher wouldn`t have an effect anymore.

By that i ask myself what is the consequence of raising someones bounty from 300 million to 400 million.
It`s still saying he is a threat for the world and still anyone who wnated to capture him with 300 will also do it now.
So how does this raise of the bounty benefit the capturing of the pirate\outlaw.
I would hope because some bountyhunters are just begin to move after the bounty raises above 350 million, 500 million and yonkou-level bountys, which are the most professional pirate hunters next to the admirals.

But to get back to the point when a maximum bounty is reached.
We have no clue or what so ever to say where people like WB,Shanks,Gol.D and Dragon are located with their bountys.
But any of those i guess have a fixed bounty which doesnt change anymore. So the bounty sure adds up to the things you have done to anger the WG, but after a while they know that adding a higher bounty to that person wouldnt result in finally catching him because with a yonkou high bopunty everyone who is able to may catch you, already tries that.

So i guess the natural end of your bounty is most likely around 1-2 billion.
(1.5-2 billion maybe reached by Gol.D and Dragon the greatest villains for the WG)
(1 billion i would say is the yonkou-level, where also WB and Shanks were settled)

SO considering that i would say Luffys next bounty could be near a yonkou-level bounty but not quite reaching it..
something along 600-800 million i guess.

By the way, what do you think will Buggys bounty be?
I personally guess that he will be a shichibukai now and that so his older bounty is frozen, but when thios isn`t the fact i would say he also reached now after all those actions and considering which guys are now with him a bounty along 250-350 million.

[_pauL0wns]

The whole billion speculation has no basis on it at all, its pointless to try and guess. Luffy has the highest confirmed bounty, so therefore you can't really compare him to any of the elites such as Dragon, Shanks etc.

If we had a bounty for any of those, then we could perhaps make a proper guess, but right now it is so pointless, yet people come up with guesses with some "reasoning" behind it. I think is ratherrrrrrrr silly.

[Urouge]

@_pauL0wns:

The whole billion speculation has no basis on it at all, its pointless to try and guess. Luffy has the highest confirmed bounty, so therefore you can't really compare him to any of the elites such as Dragon, Shanks etc.

If we had a bounty for any of those, then we could perhaps make a proper guess, but right now it is so pointless, yet people come up with guesses with some "reasoning" behind it. I think is ratherrrrrrrr silly.

No basis? Seriously? Luffy's bounty went from 30 million to 100 million to 300 million. You don't need a PhD in math to tell you that the next logical progression in that sequence is 1 billion. Granted this place holder 400 million came into play, which could be a bit of a counterargument to it. But to say there's no basis is just crazy.

[DooMinator]

I doubt, that the big-bad-ass-guys do have a(n active) bounty. Yonkou-Level (I think you can count Dragon as well. Though not a yonkou, he still is the MWC in OP) means, the person is that damn strong, that nobody can capture them. Even the Admirals are shit against them, so how should a bountyhunter be able to capture them? Usually, the police (in this case, the marines) do not get the bounty, this is only for others people to make them hand over the captives to the Marines.

So, even if they still have a former bounty like the Shichibukai, it should not be much over the highest bounty know. From a certain point on, it just does not make any sense to increase it…

[Airflow]

We need to see more New World people's bounties before we start throwing out numbers like a billion. Cause that's pretty unquantifiable based on what we've seen so far.

[looking_at_you]

First of all the world nobles might have a 500m-1 billion to bring him to us alive bounty which is not the same as the marines bounty.

Well the reason Luffy has 400 million instead of 1 billion is because it would look stupid if Luffy lost to someone with a lower bounty than himself and he makes the crew look useless with their low bountys and the lower his bounty is the more often it can increase.

also it does not matter how low or high the crew bountys are remember Luffy is going to be pirate king and Zoro best swordman and the rest of crew will all be powerful as well so in the end they will be new pirate king crew meaning the piece of paper wont matter because they will be the best anyways and the marines and wg that give the bountys out will probly not be around anymore meaning no one will pay the bountys then.

[Saturnchild]

I think only Luffy,Zoro,Sanji and Robin will have a real increase in power because they are the only ones who were in more so to say visible places. Luffy for obvious reasons got an increase, Zoro hanging around Mihwak would have made anybody nervous, Sanji was on Okama island which would be monitored by the goverment since their leader is a known rebel and would thus have an increased bounty as well. As for Robin she was with the rebels. That's the goverments worst fear. I wouldn't be surprised if her bounty was increased signfiicantly.

The others seemed to be in more secluded locations where it's unlikely that they would give the WG a reason to worry so I don't see them having much of an increase

[robinlovessanji]

@Mr.:

Strength doesn't reflect bounty. The 300 million Luffy got wasn't so much for defeating Lucci (just barely) but rather for decalring war on the government and "destroying eneis lobby). Naturally that bounty reflected the threat he would pose to the WG.

How would you explain Robin's bounty then? if what your saying would be true, Robin's would soar higher than luffy's.

[triforcebih]

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[LuffyLuffyNoMi]

@looking_at_you:

First of all the world nobles might have a 500m-1 billion to bring him to us alive bounty which is not the same as the marines bounty.

That doesn't make much sense whether or not you put them in bold or not… There is one official bounty. There's no indication of whatsoever that there's a secondary bounty by some other organization than the Marines.

@looking_at_you:

Well the reason Luffy has 400 million instead of 1 billion is because it would look stupid if Luffy lost to someone with a lower bounty than himself and he makes the crew look useless with their low bountys and the lower his bounty is the more often it can increase.

Well, there's a gap of more than 200 millions between Luffy and his -what the rookies on the Sabaody Archipelago did say him to be- first mate. There's this large gap because Luffy is the biggest danger to the World out of the SHP…

Besides his 400 million most of the other bounties of his crewmates look useless anyways so that isn't a reason for Luffy's bounty not to be on 1 billion...

@looking_at_you:

also it does not matter how low or high the crew bountys are remember Luffy is going to be pirate king and Zoro best swordman and the rest of crew will all be powerful as well so in the end they will be new pirate king crew meaning the piece of paper wont matter because they will be the best anyways and the marines and wg that give the bountys out will probly not be around anymore meaning no one will pay the bountys then.

Actually, it does matter since bounties are to compare the "threat level to the world" between the pirates.

@robinlovessanji:

How would you explain Robin's bounty then? if what your saying would be true, Robin's would soar higher than luffy's.

She probably had the highest bouty an 8y old child could have gotten… At that time Luffy wasn't even born.

[Mr. Sandman]

@robinlovessanji:

How would you explain Robin's bounty then? if what your saying would be true, Robin's would soar higher than luffy's.

Are you bringing this up just for the sake of finding some contradiction to my claim? Because you just supported it. Robin was a weak child back then yet she got a bounty as high as crocodiles/hancock's bounties. Anyways one could argue that was 20 years ago before inflation…

Also she was alone when she got that bounty, so the WG figured that she wasn't as much of a threat.

[_pauL0wns]

@Urouge:

No basis? Seriously? Luffy's bounty went from 30 million to 100 million to 300 million. You don't need a PhD in math to tell you that the next logical progression in that sequence is 1 billion. Granted this place holder 400 million came into play, which could be a bit of a counterargument to it. But to say there's no basis is just crazy.

I agree that there is that pattern, but still to say 1 billion simply due to the fact Luffy is much stronger now without any real comparison taken in account with the elites, I think is silly.

And like you rightly pointed out, 400m came into place. Similar case with Zoro, 60m -> 120m -> 160m.

[BingBang]

It's simple. Luffy is the only pirate with a bounty of 400.000.000 before entering the New World.

The New World it's completly different from the first half.

Remember that a "rookie" can have a bounty of 310.000.000! Before entering the strongest part of this ocean.
Now I think that Kidd is 620.000.000b because he's challenging stronger pirates and marines.

[Urouge]

@Airflow:

We need to see more New World people's bounties before we start throwing out numbers like a billion. Cause that's pretty unquantifiable based on what we've seen so far.

I disagree simply because of the growth that's been made plainly obvious. To be up front, it's not as if it was only Luffy that got as high a bounty as he did. Oda showed us 11 rookies, with Luffy and Zoro included, that all had similar strength and bounty. We were told time and again that they weren't strong enough for the New World, so why wouldn't bounties reflect that as well?

We've just had a massive boost in power, and the author has everything set up to raise the bounties as high as he could possibly want. There's a pattern that would make total sense to follow, so I see no reason not to look at it as a distinct possibility.

@_pauL0wns:

I agree that there is that pattern, but still to say 1 billion simply due to the fact Luffy is much stronger now without any real comparison taken in account with the elites, I think is silly.

And like you rightly pointed out, 400m came into place. Similar case with Zoro, 60m -> 120m -> 160m.

A pattern is a basis.

We can't compare to what we haven't seen, but we can certainly speculate about it.

[maxterdexter]

@Urouge:

No basis? Seriously? Luffy's bounty went from 30 million to 100 million to 300 million. You don't need a PhD in math to tell you that the next logical progression in that sequence is 1 billion. Granted this place holder 400 million came into play, which could be a bit of a counterargument to it. But to say there's no basis is just crazy.

Just to clarify:

1.000.000.000 thousand millions
1.000.000.000.000 one billion
Source

Practicaly all of the world, except USA, uses this system.

[ItalianAce]

@maxterdexter:

Just to clarify:

1.000.000.000 thousand millions
1.000.000.000.000 one billion
Source

Practicaly all of the world, except USA, uses this system.

the source tell that 1.000.000.000 is a billion…it says it's the most common meaning....

1.000.000.000.000 = 1 billion is rarely used..as always the source says....Source here it's esplained better…
So it's really possible that next luffy bounty is 1 billion =1.000.000.000 or near like 900 milion

[Airflow]

@Urouge:

I disagree simply because of the growth that's been made plainly obvious. To be up front, it's not as if it was only Luffy that got as high a bounty as he did. Oda showed us 11 rookies, with Luffy and Zoro included, that all had similar strength and bounty. We were told time and again that they weren't strong enough for the New World, so why wouldn't bounties reflect that as well?

Because I don't think their bounties did reflect their strength before. Was Luffy really right behind Doflamingo in terms of power right after Enies Lobby? Or did the government maybe overestimate his strength because he took down the famous Rob Lucci, destroyed one of the government's three main facilities and escaped a Buster call. I felt that bounty was based more on what he's done and his legacy than on his actual strength. After all bounty's aren't power levels. They're based on your infamy and on how much the government wants to take you down. And after Enies Lobby I felt that his high bounty was more an indication of how much the high ups wanted to take down this young upstart. Plus let's not forget he's the son of the most wanted criminal in the world, that's got to be a big factor in their analysis. For me it was only after the timeskip that Luffy's strength matched the bounty on his head.

Basically I just don't think bounties would vary that much. The WG's only going to have a set amount of financial resources and that's why we've not seen any drastically high bounty's yet. I honestly don't think Whitebeard's bounty was more than 2 billion, because I don't think any pirate did 5 times more damage to the WG than Luffy did at Enies Lobby and Impel Down.

@maxterdexter:

Just to clarify:

1.000.000.000 thousand millions
1.000.000.000.000 one billion
Source

Practicaly all of the world, except USA, uses this system.

Actually in financial terms the world uses the American billion.

[phyrros]

@ItalianAce:

the source tell that 1.000.000.000 is a billion…it says it's the most common meaning....

1.000.000.000.000 = 1 billion is rarely used..as always the source says....Source here it's esplained better…
So it's really possible that next luffy bounty is 1 billion =1.000.000.000 or near like 900 milion

just to get it straight: a billion = 10^12 is common in europe (except UK) and derives from the first usages of the word.

shortscale (means: 1 billion = 10^9) is most common in english speaking countries, and therefore more or less a "standard" altough its imho false.

[Urouge]

@maxterdexter:

Just to clarify:

1.000.000.000 thousand millions
1.000.000.000.000 one billion
Source

Practicaly all of the world, except USA, uses this system.

You not only linked a wiki page for reference, but it even disagrees with you. Awesome work.

To clarify, in the English language, a billion is 10^9.

@Airflow:

Because I don't think their bounties did reflect their strength before. Was Luffy really right behind Doflamingo in terms of power right after Enies Lobby? Or did the government maybe overestimate his strength because he took down the famous Rob Lucci, destroyed one of the government's three main facilities and escaped a Buster call. I felt that bounty was based more on what he's done and his legacy than on his actual strength. After all bounty's aren't power levels. They're based on your infamy and on how much the government wants to take you down. And after Enies Lobby I felt that his high bounty was more an indication of how much the high ups wanted to take down this young upstart. Plus let's not forget he's the son of the most wanted criminal in the world, that's got to be a big factor in their analysis. For me it was only after the timeskip that Luffy's strength matched the bounty on his head.

The warlord card? You argue with a frozen bounty? All that means is he had a threat of around the 300 million range when he became a warlord. All of their bounties need to be taken with a grain of salt.

Bounties are designed to be an imperfect system, but still work to give us an approximate idea of a person's strength with just a number. It defines the league that people are in more than anything else. When 80 million beli Brownbeard showed up, we could gauge an approximate level of strength for him even though we didn't see him do a damn thing.

Basically I just don't think bounties would vary that much. The WG's only going to have a set amount of financial resources and that's why we've not seen any drastically high bounty's yet. I honestly don't think Whitebeard's bounty was more than 2 billion, because I don't think any pirate did 5 times more damage to the WG than Luffy did at Enies Lobby and Impel Down.

I see this said a lot, and for absolutely no reason that I can tell. You think the WG is hard up for money, when you have no idea what their finances look like. The thought that Luffy's bounty was higher than his strength was totally thrashed with the first Sabaody arc.

[BingBang]

We Need Vash The Stampede!

[SuperSonic-Strawhat]

Wonder if Luffy's bounty is anywhere close to "New World" impressive.

[Peal]

@KiShiDo:

What?

Sanji took out the 3rd strongest member who was more than twice as strong as Chapa-Guy.

he took out CP 7 Wanze, CP 6 Jerry, he was the one who caused the trouble at the train and freed Franky, Usopp and nearly Robin.

And on top fo that he was the one who opened the gate of Justice to let the SHs dissapear.

Maybe they finally realized that he is the 3rd in the row of the SHs and one of the most trouble some. I bet soon he will surpass Robin as well, who only has her bounty cuz of her abilities.

Franky is OK in my eyes as it is. But it will be sure higher now and even higher after this arc

…
Bounty doesn't reflect strength.
Bounty isn't power-levels.

You don't get it for soley beating stuff up, you get it for how much of a threat you are. Therefor, "he beat up the stronger guy lol" isn't an excuse, not in this case, I mean look at all of Luffy's bounty increases. 30 million for taking care of the most powerful pirate in the east blue who was aligned with the marines. Or how he took down a warlord's scheme as a rookie to the grandline, one against the government sure but that still means he went against the marines. And the 300 million is obviously for declaring war on the marines.

Granted, I'll give you the sea train incident, but honestly I don't see how that's worth anything more then holding or destroying the only blueprints for that weapon. Also, no way is he more of a threat then Robin, I mean he's stronger obviously, but as many have said, strength doesn't measure danger.

Thank you for your time.

[Darkstorm]

The one piece currency seems yen based. Given that the US pays millions in bounties for its top targets, who are generally terrorists and so forth, who can do a lot of damage, it shouldn't be too surprising to see the top pirates and revolutionaries be tens of billions. Guys like Newgate or Dragon could be 100 billion or somesuch. A hell of a lot of money, but a World Government can easily pay it(any affluent first world country could), especially if it's to get rid of someone who threatens their very existance.

basically what I'm trying to get across is that Luffy's bounty still has a lot of room to rise if oda so wishes it without looking out of place.

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

Darkstorm, even when you may be right that the WG has no problems in spending so much money for a criminal, going with the bountys higher then a few billions would make it look odd that people could get a shichibukai-position with 100-300 million in my eyes.
That sure is just a frozen bounty, but still when a 100 million bounty is kind of a border to get a real name in the world it would be weird to have another border at 1 billion or something like that(when bountys of 100 billion are possible, there should be a handful of NW-pirates who have reached that billion-border) which they could also chose their shichibukai from.

[Coruscation]

The thought that Luffy's bounty was higher than his strength was totally thrashed with the first Sabaody arc.

I wouldn't necessarily say that. Don't you think that the fact that both 300m guys had something special going for them that would logically up their bounty - wrecking Enies Lobby and killing civilians - could've been a bit of a hint on Oda's part? Drake didn't seem weaker than Luffy from what we saw, yet his bounty was a lot lower. Law is usually thought of as being just as strong as Luffy and Kidd, yet he had only 200m.

I'd say that both Luffy and Kidd's bounty were somewhat "inflated" at Sabaody, if we try to take the possibility of that happening into account at all. However, of course that doesn't mean that Luffy actually "deserves" something like 120m, but I think it's wise to take into consideration the fact that he did do things besides just beating a really strong guy that would contribute to a high bounty. Maybe he would've been more around 250m or so, had it been properly "adjusted" to his strength… however much such a thing is actually possible, that is.

[Darkstorm]

@Don:

Darkstorm, even when you may be right that the WG has no problems in spending so much money for a criminal, going with the bountys higher then a few billions would make it look odd that people could get a shichibukai-position with 100-300 million in my eyes.
That sure is just a frozen bounty, but still when a 100 million bounty is kind of a border to get a real name in the world it would be weird to have another border at 1 billion or something like that(when bountys of 100 billion are possible, there should be a handful of NW-pirates who have reached that billion-border) which they could also chose their shichibukai from.

But how many of those people claimed islands for themselves as newgate did? How many took on the WG itself as Dragon does?

Even if Warlords bounties were not frozen, how many of them would be a threat to the WG itself?

[Urouge]

@Coruscation:

I wouldn't necessarily say that. Don't you think that the fact that both 300m guys had something special going for them that would logically up their bounty - wrecking Enies Lobby and killing civilians - could've been a bit of a hint on Oda's part? Drake didn't seem weaker than Luffy from what we saw, yet his bounty was a lot lower. Law is usually thought of as being just as strong as Luffy and Kidd, yet he had only 200m.

I'd say that both Luffy and Kidd's bounty were somewhat "inflated" at Sabaody, if we try to take the possibility of that happening into account at all. However, of course that doesn't mean that Luffy actually "deserves" something like 120m, but I think it's wise to take into consideration the fact that he did do things besides just beating a really strong guy that would contribute to a high bounty. Maybe he would've been more around 250m or so, had it been properly "adjusted" to his strength… however much such a thing is actually possible, that is.

See, the stuff you're talking about is nitpicky. That bounties are good for approximate levels of strength is the only thing I'm saying, and even then there are rare extreme cases. Are we to believe that Drake can beat Law because he has a higher bounty? No, what it means is that Drake is going to get Vegas odds on the fight, and it could go either way.

Caribou is introduced with a 210 million bounty, and rather then us going "oh man he has 210 bountoids of strength!" we go "oh, so he's like a supernova was before the timeskip." That's the purpose of them, and it works effectively.

[Coruscation]

Ah, I know it's a bit nitpicky, and I do agree with you that Oda does use bounties as a way of indicating strength. Whenever he doesn't mean for a bounty to be indicative, he usually makes it pretty clear (i.e. Robin). I was only commenting that it would be fair to think that Luffy's (and Kidd's) bounty may have been a bit "inflated", at the time of Sabaody.

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

@Darkstorm:

But how many of those people claimed islands for themselves as newgate did? How many took on the WG itself as Dragon does?

Well, we saw Brownbeard immediality took over an island after he knew that WB wasnt anymore. Even Arlong and Buggy directly made themselves the rulers of the islands they landed on. So its notsomething just the yonkous do..it`s just they could hold them,while the rest could be forced away via the marines.

Also Luffy himself declared war with the WG and destroyed ID which was a monument for the mighty WG.
But still that wasnt a reason to take him in the billions. Iam well aware that Dragon most likely will have the highest bounty of all humans in the world, because he takes entire empires and make them fight the WG…but still like i already said one page ago, i think his bounty is max. 1.5-2 billion, because more wouldnt make any sense to me.

Even if Warlords bounties were not frozen, how many of them would be a threat to the WG itself?

Depends on how their plans are.
I mean the WG just saw that theyre powerful and they may be better on their side at least somehow controlled. Someone like Corc,Moria and DoFlamingo already showed that theyre just worked for them to get closer to their own goals and the marines are well aware of that, seeing how they distrust the warlords all the time.

In the end everyone who could lay a finger on the OP is a threat for the WG..also by chosing to be a pirate they already stated that their against the WG and so if they become more or less dangerous villains for the WG is up in the air.

[MLG]

I think 100billion bounty isn't the type of thing Oda would do (thats just my thought) In my opinion, a person with a bounty of 700mill ~ 1Billion would be trully extreme already.. which can mean that that character is a huge threat to WG, perhaps WB was 1 of the biggest Threat, I wouldn't surprise if his bounty was 1.2bill to 2billion .. but definetly not 100Billion ..

[sanji499]

Despite being part of the big 3, Sanji's bounty is still lower than Robin's poster. Maybe it is gonna continue.

Maybe Oda loves to troll him.

[Muah]

@Peal:

…
Bounty doesn't reflect strength.
Bounty isn't power-levels.

You don't get it for soley beating stuff up, you get it for how much of a threat you are. Therefor, "he beat up the stronger guy lol" isn't an excuse, not in this case, I mean look at all of Luffy's bounty increases. 30 million for taking care of the most powerful pirate in the east blue who was aligned with the marines. Or how he took down a warlord's scheme as a rookie to the grandline, one against the government sure but that still means he went against the marines. And the 300 million is obviously for declaring war on the marines.

Granted, I'll give you the sea train incident, but honestly I don't see how that's worth anything more then holding or destroying the only blueprints for that weapon. Also, no way is he more of a threat then Robin, I mean he's stronger obviously, but as many have said, strength doesn't measure danger.

Thank you for your time.

thts true but strenght is deifntily important when it comes down to a bounty otherwise Zoro wouldn't even have a bounty. The fact that sanji has been whooping everyones asses in reason enough for a bounty not to mention he's a great threat. threat is the magority of the bounty I would say strenght and threat are 50 /50 it's just sometimes you have the extreme cases like robin who are a huge threat.

[Cyborg_Franky]

IMO theres too much talk about ohhhh bounty increases at such and such level are useless there are no bounty hunters at this level… has anyone taken into consideration a betrayal? if your captain is worth 2billion the temptation of capturing him yourself and becoming beyond rich might be enough for a mutany on some ships...

Addition: i also wonder if any of the bountys rewards go to a marine that captures them? this could also be used as incentave to recruit marines and give them that extra bit of "courage" to take down high threat criminals

[Mr. Sandman]

@Cyborg_Franky:

IMO theres too much talk about ohhhh bounty increases at such and such level are useless there are no bounty hunters at this level… has anyone taken into consideration a betrayal? if your captain is worth 2billion the temptation of capturing him yourself and becoming beyond rich might be enough for a mutany on some ships...

Addition: i also wonder if any of the bountys rewards go to a marine that captures them? this could also be used as incentave to recruit marines and give them that extra bit of "courage" to take down high threat criminals

Also there are pirates who are eager to prove themselves worthy to the WG and gain a shichibukai title like BB was.

[Cyborg_Franky]

@Mr.:

Also there's pirates that are eager to prove themselves worthy to the WG and gain a shichibukai title like BB was.

very good point but i was just trying to give a justification to any increase over say 900mil

[maxterdexter]

@Urouge:

You not only linked a wiki page for reference, but it even disagrees with you. Awesome work.

To clarify, in the English language, a billion is 10^9.

No one is going to vandalize the billion page of wikipedia, nitpick when I link some obscure history fact or a random science theory, not how numbers work.

And this is a worldwide forum in english, it can cause confussion because the difference between long and short scale isn't obvious. it has happened before.

[Airflow]

@Urouge:

The warlord card? You argue with a frozen bounty? All that means is he had a threat of around the 300 million range when he became a warlord. All of their bounties need to be taken with a grain of salt.

I argue with a bounty high enough for the WG to recruit them into the seven pirates they deem powerful enough to work under them. All seven of these pirates operated in the New World, all of them have a bounty around Luffy's level.

Now I'm not arguing that there are pirates in the New World that are stronger than them, I'm arguing that there aren't pirates in the New World who are ten times stronger than them. This was clearly displayed in the war, people like Crocodile and Jinbei were easily taking on as much as the New World Commanders. The difference in strength isn't that massive and as such I doubt the bounties in the New World will suddenly be in the billions.

And you still haven't refuted my main point, do you think anyone in the New World aside from maybe the Yonkou has done anything 3 or 4 times as impressive as smashing Enies Lobby and breaking into Impel Down (and Mariejoa for that matter)?

Bounties are designed to be an imperfect system, but still work to give us an approximate idea of a person's strength with just a number. It defines the league that people are in more than anything else. When 80 million beli Brownbeard showed up, we could gauge an approximate level of strength for him even though we didn't see him do a damn thing.

I agree, I just don't see why the next level of power has to be in the billions. Especially considering we've seen nothing past 400 million.

I see this said a lot, and for absolutely no reason that I can tell. You think the WG is hard up for money, when you have no idea what their finances look like.

Based on what they've offered so far. 300 million for someone who totally humiliated them and destroyed one of their 3 main islands. Clearly that's a high bounty. Also based on real life, the top ten bounties in the world don't suddenly jump from the millions to the billions to the trillions.

The thought that Luffy's bounty was higher than his strength was totally thrashed with the first Sabaody arc.

Why? Cause he got his ass kicked? Surely that confirms what I'm saying.

@Darkstorm:

The one piece currency seems yen based. Given that the US pays millions in bounties for its top targets, who are generally terrorists and so forth, who can do a lot of damage, it shouldn't be too surprising to see the top pirates and revolutionaries be tens of billions. Guys like Newgate or Dragon could be 100 billion or somesuch. A hell of a lot of money, but a World Government can easily pay it(any affluent first world country could), especially if it's to get rid of someone who threatens their very existance.

basically what I'm trying to get across is that Luffy's bounty still has a lot of room to rise if oda so wishes it without looking out of place.

Do you really think Luffy is only worth $400,000 to the WG based on what he's done?

[Urouge]

@maxterdexter:

No one is going to vandalize the billion page of wikipedia, nitpick when I link some obscure history fact or a random science theory, not how numbers work.

And this is a worldwide forum in english, it can cause confussion because the difference between long and short scale isn't obvious. it has happened before.

This is very simple. This is an English forum, and in that language, billion means 10^9. It doesn't matter what it means in Spanish, French, German, Portuguese, or Italian. It only has one meaning in practiced English.

I'm sorry if there's anyone here who hasn't figured out how to translate numbers to English, but it's a basic part of the language.

@Airflow:

I argue with a bounty high enough for the WG to recruit them into the seven pirates they deem powerful enough to work under them. All seven of these pirates operated in the New World, all of them have a bounty around Luffy's level.

All of them that we've conveniently been shown. So they were around Luffy's old threat level when they joined, nothing wrong with that. That's impressive as it is. Mihawk's bounty has been kept hidden for a reason.

The Gourosei even commented specifically that they needed to recruit some more influential people.

Now I'm not arguing that there are pirates in the New World that are stronger than them, I'm arguing that there aren't pirates in the New World who are ten times stronger than them. This was clearly displayed in the war, people like Crocodile and Jinbei were easily taking on as much as the New World Commanders. The difference in strength isn't that massive and as such I doubt the bounties in the New World will suddenly be in the billions.

You just named two more warlords! Come on! Neither of them have been given a post-retirement bounty yet.

And you still haven't refuted my main point, do you think anyone in the New World aside from maybe the Yonkou has done anything 3 or 4 times as impressive as smashing Enies Lobby and breaking into Impel Down (and Mariejoa for that matter)?

Not many, but it doesn't matter. Bounties aren't based on fireworks. The fact of the matter is that Luffy got slapped around by any admiral that found him. He didn't even stand a chance.

I agree, I just don't see why the next level of power has to be in the billions. Especially considering we've seen nothing past 400 million.

Because we know that he grew significantly. If nothing else, we need it as a reference point for other characters.

Based on what they've offered so far. 300 million for someone who totally humiliated them and destroyed one of their 3 main islands. Clearly that's a high bounty. Also based on real life, the top ten bounties in the world don't suddenly jump from the millions to the billions to the trillions.
Why? Cause he got his ass kicked? Surely that confirms what I'm saying.

In the real world, you don't have people who can become strong enough to throw houses. The power scale in real life is much narrower.

Here's what I saw. During the Sabaody arc, I watched a good portion of the 11 supernovas stand toe-to-toe and mostly be slightly inferior to a pacifista. In his first action back, Luffy decimated one of those exact same pacifistas in one punch, and Zoro and Sanji followed suit. They've clearly entered another league, and their new bounties need to reflect it or bounties lose all meaning to the reader.

[Coruscation]

Neither of them have been given a post-retirement bounty yet.

To be fair, Oda did say in an SBS that Crocodile's bounty would've been at least double what he had when he was enacted into the Shichibukai. I know there's an at least in there, but that still speaks to it likely not being triple since he would've just said that. So, Croc's "proper" bounty could plausibly be reasoned out to lie somewhere in between 160 and 240 million, at the time of the war.

Personally I think that fits pretty well with his strength level, though, so as far as I'm concerned it's quite fine.

[AlucarDraculA]

@Coruscation:

To be fair, Oda did say in an SBS that Crocodile's bounty would've been at least double what he had when he was enacted into the Shichibukai. I know there's an at least in there, but that still speaks to it likely not being triple since he would've just said that. So, Croc's "proper" bounty could plausibly be reasoned out to lie somewhere in between 160 and 240 million, at the time of the war.

Personally I think that fits pretty well with his strength level, though, so as far as I'm concerned it's quite fine.

Also about Croc, his crew after the war was Daz Bones and…no one else.

I don't think the government are going to consider him a real threat until he gets another kick-ass group of people like Baroque Works. (Of course he might have done that over the timeskip so this point is moot).

[Jacoobus]

While it's really nothing but guesswork, it seems clear to me that individual bounties will soon be seen in the billions. Anyone denying this is only fooling themselves. At the same time the idea that they would reach into the hundreds of billions is even more foolish. Serious bounty hikes are not done casually and I would only expect maybe two or three more such raises for Luffy who will end up with probably the largest bounty in the world. As such I can't really see anyone having a bounty in excess of 10 billion. I would imagine that particularly well established or up and coming NW captians would be valued between 800 million and 1.2 billion. This would include folk like Marco, Ben Beckman, and probably Mihawk before he joined the Schichibukai. This is also the range that Luffy would be entering into in the relatively near future. The Yonkou and perhaps BB will be more in the 3-5 billion range and Dragon as the most wanted man in the world would be between 6-8 billion.

[Refii]

Billions being a common number seems like it's too much, if such bounties will exist, I think they would only belong to 1-2 characters.

I would prefer Luffy's bounty to simply jump to 700m personally, and not enter the billions, at least not at the impending increase, once the story concludes it can skyrocket all it wants.

As for Sanji's bounty, his threat level to the government is low as it stands, he's a member of a dangerous crew, but bounties don't reflect strength levels, I would personally prefer for Robin to remain above him EVEN if Oda clearly shows that Sanji can defeat an opponent Robin cannot and is leagues ahead of her in terms of pure battle strength.

[Darkstorm]

@Don:

Well, we saw Brownbeard immediality took over an island after he knew that WB wasn`t anymore.

Yes, in the lawless new world that the marines had as yet few forces.

@Don:

Even Arlong and Buggy directly made themselves the rulers of the islands they landed on.

Arlong was paying off the marines to keep quiet and Buggy was pillaging, not ruling.

@Don:

Also Luffy himself declared war with the WG and destroyed ID which was a monument for the mighty WG.
But still that wasn`t a reason to take him in the billions.

Because he couldn't back up his talk at the time.

They had to run from the buster call, remember?

@Don:

Iam well aware that Dragon most likely will have the highest bounty of all humans in the world, because he takes entire empires and make them fight the WG…but still like i already said one page ago, i think his bounty is max. 1.5-2 billion, because more wouldn`t make any sense to me.

Could be, but I think they'll go higher. And I was mainly saying that Oda has laid the framework to go much higher.

@Don:

Depends on how their plans are.
I mean the WG just saw that theyre powerful and they may be better on their side at least somehow controlled. Someone like Corc,Moria and DoFlamingo already showed that theyre just worked for them to get closer to their own goals and the marines are well aware of that, seeing how they distrust the warlords all the time.

The marines were utterly unaware of croc's plans. Obviously they don't look close enough.

@Don:

In the end everyone who could lay a finger on the OP is a threat for the WG..also by chosing to be a pirate they already stated that their against the WG and so if they become more or less dangerous villains for the WG is up in the air.

That'd be the emperors, who are so powerful that the WG has trouble fighting them anyway, so they're big time bounties either way.

@Airflow:

Do you really think Luffy is only worth $400,000 to the WG based on what he's done?

No, I think he's worth $4.5m based on what he's done.

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

@Urouge:

All of them that we've conveniently been shown. So they were around Luffy's old threat level when they joined, nothing wrong with that. That's impressive as it is. Mihawk's bounty has been kept hidden for a reason.

Oda could only hide his bounty or else we would have had one of the highest bountys of the whole world already introduced at volumne 6.
His bounty is definitely frozen, but still being the best swordfighter and being on a level with Shanks should have given him already such a high bounty that it`s on one level(or slightely behind)with a yonkou-bounty as he was introduced to the shichibukai.

Not many, but it doesn't matter. Bounties aren't based on fireworks. The fact of the matter is that Luffy got slapped around by any admiral that found him. He didn't even stand a chance.

Nearly everyone is slapped around by the admirals, beside a yonkou,Marco and 2-3 others.
So thats not rly a hint why they didn`t gave Luffy a higher bounty even when he clearly messed with the WG, while other NW-pirates sure have a higher bounty as he.
I mean he showed many times that he totally is against the WG and that he fights them in every way possible.(destroying EL,beating a celestrial dragon, invading ID,being part of the war and even burning their freaking flag)

You said yourself that strenght doesnt equal the bounty-level..but also how much someone is a threat to the WG doesnt count?
We could say that many NW-pirates were stronger than Luffy during the war, but as you also agreed that not many were such a threat to the WG.
So why do some NW-pirates have a higher bountys as Luffy? (which sure will be the case or else the NW would be considered kind of lame when not only high-class pirates could survive there)

In my opinion Luffy would deserve a higher bounty but they didnt give him a higher one, because he was still just a rookie who messed up the WG a bit, but still didnt showed that kind of threat over years constantly.
As soon as Luffy will show now after two years that he is now on a higher power-level and also still goes in every kind of way against the WG they will finally see him as the threat they were afraid of the whole time.

@Darkstorm:

Yes, in the lawless new world that the marines had as yet few forces.

Who in his right mind would take over islands which are gathering places for marines…
Afterall the yonkous took over islands where the marines werent present and were able to hold them over the years and here comes the question why the yonkous could hold them? Its just like with the Shabondy Archipelago..there are also lawless zones but the marines arent fighting for them with all they have. The WG\marines doesnt rly care for islands which are not part of their community and so why risking high losses in fighting huge pirate crews, when they don`t have to protect those islands.(as long as there is nothing rly important for them on it)

So naturally not every pirate does conquer islands because they couldn`t rule them anyways without a fix territory like the yonkou established and the rest is protected by the WG so not rly easy money.

Afterall would a pirate conquer an island of the WG he would be a greater threat as someone like WB who ruled over such places like FI which wasnt even claimed by the WG after WBs dead...it was more open for everyone who wants to take it and so BigMum took it.

@Darkstorm:

Because he couldn't back up his talk at the time.

They had to run from the buster call, remember?

@Don:

In my opinion Luffy would deserve a higher bounty but they didnt give him a higher one, because he was still just a rookie who messed up the WG a bit, but still didnt showed that kind of threat over years constantly.
As soon as Luffy will show now after two years that he is now on a higher power-level and also still goes in every kind of way against the WG they will finally see him as the threat they were afraid of the whole time.

Yup, just posted in the last post my thoughts a bit more clear.

@Darkstorm:

The marines were utterly unaware of croc's plans. Obviously they don't look close enough.

Well, it was still a secret organisation where even the members didnt know until the end who the leader was. The WG sure has an eye on them but let them do as they which as long as they make no open trouble and do as their contract says. But that they dont look close enough…well they sure know that they get betrayed somehow but still the shichibukai is one of the 3 forces of the world, so they can be suspicious but still also need them.

[Urouge]

@Don:

Nearly everyone is slapped around by the admirals, beside a yonkou,Marco and 2-3 others.

So you think that besides Marco and the emperors, there are only 2-3 pirates in the rest of the story that can hang with Jozu? That's just stupid.

You said yourself that strenght doesnt equal the bounty-level..but also how much someone is a threat to the WG doesnt count?

No, are you trolling me? That's the exact same crazy idea that I started battling in the first place. Bounty IS a reflection of strength, it's just an imperfect system.

The people in the story relate bounty to strength, so it baffles me to see readers resist that notion. Bounty posters are made for bounty hunters. To them, the reward is also a measure of the risk.

Marines and WG officials may treat him as if he's more important than his bounty because of his actions against them, and rightly so. Let's not get that confused with his bounty, though.

We could say that many NW-pirates were stronger than Luffy during the war, but as you also agreed that not many were such a threat to the WG.
So why do some NW-pirates have a higher bountys as Luffy? (which sure will be the case or else the NW would be considered kind of lame when not only high-class pirates could survive there)

In my opinion Luffy would deserve a higher bounty but they didnt give him a higher one, because he was still just a rookie who messed up the WG a bit, but still didnt showed that kind of threat over years constantly.
As soon as Luffy will show now after two years that he is now on a higher power-level and also still goes in every kind of way against the WG they will finally see him as the threat they were afraid of the whole time.

I have news for you. Luffy's bounty of 300 million was more weighted to his strength than to his actions. If Enies Lobby never happens and he just defeats Moria, he's still going to get something over 200.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Sabaody showed us that Luffy was in the same strength tier as other people at his bounty level. If his bounty was based on his unprecedented actions, then it wouldn't even be in the same league as a guy like Drake.

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

@Urouge:

So you think that besides Marco and the emperors, there are only 2-3 pirates in the rest of the story that can hang with Jozu? That's just stupid.

Jozu is not rly a match for an admiral..fighting them and being able to hold them on a spot for a few minutes is not the same.
Jozu got owned by Aokij afterall.
Also i meaned 2-3 pirates we saw so far…the NW captns who were shown so far werent rly on a level with them.

@Urouge:

No, are you trolling me? That's the exact same crazy idea that I started battling in the first place. Bounty IS a reflection of strength, it's just an imperfect system.

Bountys could either reflect strenght or how much of a threat a person is to the WG..combine them and you get the highest bountys of the world.
When you just fit to one side(either strenght or being a threat) your bounty won`t reach much higher as 200-300 million.
Hope we can agree on that(maybe not the 200-300 million part,thought)

@Urouge:

I have news for you. Luffy's bounty of 300 million was more weighted to his strength than to his actions. If Enies Lobby never happens and he just defeats Moria, he's still going to get something over 200.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Sabaody showed us that Luffy was in the same strength tier as other people at his bounty level. If his bounty was based on his unprecedented actions, then it wouldn't even be in the same league as a guy like Drake.

Now you trolling back?:happy:
As my statement you quoted here says, i also think that his threat to the WG wasnt rly considered in his bounty, because it wasnt a threat over years constantly and so they didn`t rly add it to his bounty.

[RomanceDawn]

@Refii:

Billions being a common number seems like it's too much, if such bounties will exist, I think they would only belong to 1-2 characters.

I would prefer Luffy's bounty to simply jump to 700m personally, and not enter the billions, at least not at the impending increase, once the story concludes it can skyrocket all it wants.

As for Sanji's bounty, his threat level to the government is low as it stands, he's a member of a dangerous crew, but bounties don't reflect strength levels, I would personally prefer for Robin to remain above him EVEN if Oda clearly shows that Sanji can defeat an opponent Robin cannot and is leagues ahead of her in terms of pure battle strength.

I like how Oda clearly acknowledged that the Government could care less about Sanji during his speech to Kuma. But with his declaration about becoming the most troublesome member of the crew I have to believe his bounty at some point will rocket like crazy well above Robin and either a hair below Zoro or dare I say a hair above him. Though I do like the idea of Robin having a slightly higher bounty than him, I can only imagine it to last for so long. Oda is pretty good about making the Straw Hats declarations carry real weight.

[BingBang]

@SuperSonic-Strawhat:

Wonder if Luffy's bounty is anywhere close to "New World" impressive.

Imagine a "rookie" is a men worth 310.000.000b

Luffy is 400.000.000 before the timeskip.

So 2 years passed with all the mugiwaras hiding. 2 years is more time than the whole adventure of Luffy (before the timeskip).

Luffy in less than 1 year he got 400.000.000b, so i think that now the rookies (11 supernovas) will get bounties like this:

Kidd: 945.000.000b
Urouge: 324.000.00b
Law: 600.000.000b
Capone: 414.000.000b
Killer: 486.000.000b
Drake: 666.000.000b
Hawkins: 747.000.000b
Apoo: 594.000.000b
Bonney: 420.000.000b
Zoro: 160.000.000b (the bountie Killer got before entering New World).

[_pauL0wns]

@BingBang:

Imagine a "rookie" is a men worth 310.000.000b

Luffy is 400.000.000 before the timeskip.

So 2 years passed with all the mugiwaras hiding. 2 years is more time than the whole adventure of Luffy (before the timeskip).

Luffy in less than 1 year he got 400.000.000b, so i think that now the rookies (11 supernovas) will get bounties like this:

Kidd: 945.000.000b
Urouge: 324.000.00b
Law: 600.000.000b
Capone: 414.000.000b
Killer: 486.000.000b
Drake: 666.000.000b
Hawkins: 747.000.000b
Apoo: 594.000.000b
Bonney: 420.000.000b
Zoro: 160.000.000b (the bountie Killer got before entering New World).

^ I'd like to use that for the example of my "with no basis" argument. Thanks BingBang :)

And if you still don't find that silly, then I have no more to say :/

[Urouge]

@Don:

Jozu is not rly a match for an admiral..fighting them and being able to hold them on a spot for a few minutes is not the same.
Jozu got owned by Aokij afterall.
Also i meaned 2-3 pirates we saw so far…the NW captns who were shown so far werent rly on a level with them.

Jozu didn't get slapped around by an admiral like Luffy did. He was a definite threat to Aokiji, even if he lost in the end, which is something that Luffy could never say before the timeskip. Luffy and Jozu were clearly in totally different leagues of strength at the time, which is the point here.

Bountys could either reflect strenght or how much of a threat a person is to the WG..combine them and you get the highest bountys of the world.
When you just fit to one side(either strenght or being a threat) your bounty won`t reach much higher as 200-300 million.
Hope we can agree on that(maybe not the 200-300 million part,thought)

No, it's much more heavily weighted to strength (unless you're counting strength as a threat I suppose, but the way you word it makes me think you don't). I seriously doubt we'll ever see someone as strong as Vista or Jozu with an active bounty as low as 200-300 million. If we ever do, it will come with an asterisk explaining why it's wrong. Shanks is, at the moment, the best example of a person with top tier strength who isn't all that much of a threat to the government by himself (Luffy is clearly more dangerous to them in the long run). Yet his bounty will surely and easily dwarf 300 400 million.

The characters in the story treat bounties like they're the WG's evaluation of strength, so we should assume that's normally the case unless we're told otherwise. Past actions likely make up a relatively small discrepancy in the end.

Now you trolling back?:happy:
As my statement you quoted here says, i also think that his threat to the WG wasnt rly considered in his bounty, because it wasnt a threat over years constantly and so they didn`t rly add it to his bounty.

Ok, I admit it. I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. :sad:

If it's something like "stuff that happened in the past stays in the past" then you're probably on the right track.