Yeah but I think that with devil fruits it is excusable just to have: this character ate one, and leave it at that.
Character Backstories
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Also In my opinion all the important parts of: Chopper's, Robin's, Nami's, and Brooke's pasts are complete.
Well, we still don't know about Nami's real parents, Robin's father, and Brook's parents, who are mostly likely dead and buried.
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@I:
So–are you trying to say that we don't really need to see what happened to Luffy's Mom or Zoro's family etc et al, because the purpose served by them being absent was the most important aspect of their existance (or lack thereof, lol)?
It`s more my pleasure to see you again posting in this section (or i was blind which is caused by the damn much snow i have to stare at everyday )
Having Luffy
s Mom and Zoro
s parents absent while they were young gave those guys the opportunity to create deep bounds with "strangers"(Luffy with Dadan and Ace,Sabo\Zoro with Kuina and Koshiro) and by that creating a trust in others which goes so deep as if they were family.
This early expierence is important and added a lot to their character.
(even when Luffy developed to the more open type compared to Zoro, but non the less they both fight to death after they accept you as friend)So adding those parents in a future storyline wouldn`t add much and would just raise the question how they could have been such bad parents till now in my opinion.?
Other mothers which were introduced so far had at least some purposes:
Introducing Ace`s mother Rouge, showed that she deeply loved his son and by that sacrificed her life, which gave him one more reason why his existance was something good.
Robin
s mom Olivia left her daughter alone for the sake of finding some truth on sea.(even when she loved her mother, but to be real..she was a heartless bitch to leave her daughter) So here Robin expierenced that something like "family"-love isn
t strong(add her aunt into that thought) and so she searched for love by strangers (Saul\Dr.Clover) ,but as we saw that made it rly hard for her to trust any soul in the end.
Just someone like Luffy and his crew finally created for her something like a family, where she rly felt the first time accepted and loved and thats the reason why she is now finally a full crew member.So adding here after a time a parent had a purpose, but by Luffy and Zoro we can
t use again those motives and i can
t think of any other motive which should be covered by those guys which is only possible with a long lost parent and wouldnt make it feel odd, to get them now with a good reason why they were never seen before. When you can find\see a reason i may think it
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For some reason I always thought Zoro's parents were abusive. I don't know why.
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@I:
So–are you trying to say that we don't really need to see what happened to Luffy's Mom or Zoro's family etc et al, because the purpose served by them being absent was the most important aspect of their existance (or lack thereof, lol)?
I don't see any problem with this reasoning.
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@I:
Don! I've missed you. Good to know you aren't spending the holidays too inebriated to write a good post or two, lol! And this one was an excellent one, thanks for posting. I do think this theme will come back and heavily influence the way the ending pans out as well.
So–are you trying to say that we don't really need to see what happened to Luffy's Mom or Zoro's family etc et al, because the purpose served by them being absent was the most important aspect of their existance (or lack thereof, lol)?
it would be funny if zoros dad was mihawk lol
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Kizaru is Sanji's dad and Iva his "mother"
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@Don:
It`s more my pleasure to see you again posting in this section (or i was blind which is caused by the damn much snow i have to stare at everyday )
Having Luffy
s Mom and Zoro
s parents absent while they were young gave those guys the opportunity to create deep bounds with "strangers"(Luffy with Dadan and Ace,Sabo\Zoro with Kuina and Koshiro) and by that creating a trust in others which goes so deep as if they were family.
This early expierence is important and added a lot to their character.
(even when Luffy developed to the more open type compared to Zoro, but non the less they both fight to death after they accept you as friend)So adding those parents in a future storyline wouldn`t add much and would just raise the question how they could have been such bad parents till now in my opinion.?
Other mothers which were introduced so far had at least some purposes:
Introducing Ace`s mother Rouge, showed that she deeply loved his son and by that sacrificed her life, which gave him one more reason why his existance was something good.
Robin
s mom Olivia left her daughter alone for the sake of finding some truth on sea.(even when she loved her mother, but to be real..she was a heartless bitch to leave her daughter) So here Robin expierenced that something like "family"-love isn
t strong(add her aunt into that thought) and so she searched for love by strangers (Saul\Dr.Clover) ,but as we saw that made it rly hard for her to trust any soul in the end.
Just someone like Luffy and his crew finally created for her something like a family, where she rly felt the first time accepted and loved and thats the reason why she is now finally a full crew member.So adding here after a time a parent had a purpose, but by Luffy and Zoro we can
t use again those motives and i can
t think of any other motive which should be covered by those guys which is only possible with a long lost parent and wouldnt make it feel odd, to get them now with a good reason why they were never seen before. When you can find\see a reason i may think it
s possible that we will see them later in the story.Wonderful post, Don–-which leaves me with nothing to discuss at length with you, dammit. (Because I am sure that comment about Olivia being a heartless b#@*& for leaving Robin is also applicable in your mind to Dragon and Yasopp, as well, and that you aren't applying some bogus double standard for women, right? LOL!) We need to find something to debate soon.
(But, just for the sake of argument, I will state that if we ever do meet or learn in some way about Luffy's mom, or Zoro's family, I'm sure it'd be pertinent in some way that only Oda could dream up, as he has so often proven in the past.)
I don't see any problem with this reasoning.
Sure, it'd be nice to see them, but necessary? Not really.Aohige-san, it is lovely to see you also. I've been working so much I never make it to the spoiler section before it gets closed any more. I more than agree with you both, I suppose, I just would love to see Luffy's mom, mostly because of Oda's comment some time ago that she certainly wouldn't be a pretty woman, lol–and I admit to a very strong curiosity about what the heck happened to her. Everything about Luffy interests me, and the mystery of his mom just niggles the back of my brain sometimes. Damn the necessity to the story, I want to know (stamps foot)
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(Because I am sure that comment about Olivia being a heartless b#@*& for leaving Robin is also applicable in your mind to Dragon and Yasopp, as well, and that you aren't applying some bogus double standard for women, right? LOL!)
Hehe, the weird thing is that Usopp saw his father as a hero, while Luffy never rly cared for Dragon. (i mean he never even was told his name)
Only thing we got from Dragon was him watching over Luffy in Loguetown and that he has the habit to look to the east, which means to his family.
So here i could understand that he actually cares for his family but he rly has a burden in controlling the revolutionarys..so unlike Olivia he rly has a higher purpose.
But yeah, he is also a bad parent which gave away his child and never even cared that Luffy would know a bit about him.(but that i guess was better for Luffy because knowing to much about that revolutionary leader would have him get in trouble)Yasopp i wouldn
t put one one step with Olivia, because he at least did know that Bankina was still around with Usopp and i guess he told her from the beginning that he would leave her. So Bankina(Usopp
s mom)accepted that and never seemed to have a problem with that..she more told her son what a wonderful man Yasopp is, which young Usopp hold on his whole life without having anymore parents(after Bankinas death).
This knowledge he had all the time about his dad gave him so much strenght to get over this hard time and he always had some kind of role model (but here again in a more or less stranger).While iam at it maybe a last view on Brook.
He seems to be the exeption from all the SHs with having no family etc.
He was to old as we saw him to still being around his parents and now everyone he loved his death.
Except one!
And here`s the point.
This time Oda showed the side of this caring stranger with Brook while La Boum takes the part as the child\young boy who lost his parents and now finds in strangers a second family.
So Brook has here a role like Jeff,Koshiro,Bellemere,Doc Hiriluk etc, had in in other flashbacks, which i think is a good approach to have the same situation for a new crewmember just this time from the other side.
Because as we know Brook has also now the burden to prove his love to La Boum in seeing him once more, which would again prove how deep such bounds can be with strangers.We need to find something to debate soon.
Agreed.
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Mihawk is Kuina.
Ivankov sure did one hell of a nice work :blink:
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I never really thought about what position Brook takes in his backstory compared to other backstories. That's a nice little interpretation that I've not read before either. The part about Ussops and Luffys different relationships to their fathers neither. Thanks for sharing.
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I'd just like to point out that aside from Luffy's backstory not being complete as of yet (Mom? Ya out there?) We have no idea how Zoro ended up alone, with no family in sight, at Kuina's father's dojo, nor do we know what the heck happened to Sanji's family. Franky's family still has yet to show a face anywhere, although we know his dad was a pirate from the Franky Family, as well. Just sayin'.
Who said Zoro was alone? It was never even hinted he had no family or that he was some starving kid wandering around.
As far as we know he always lived in that village with is parents and one day he decided to challange the dojo for some reason. Since his parents were not important to his backstory and his resolve Oda never showed them.
If you ever read or watch BECK you'll notice the characters family never really appear and are only mentioned if it has something to do with the story, even though they live with them.Sanji is indeed a tricky one. Maybe his family was also working in that ship, maybe they weren't, maybe he was an orphan.
And Franky's dad was a random pirate who didn't want to take care of a kid. Left him in the scrapyard where he was found by Tom.I think it was pretty clear that Robin's parents didn't visit her, since she didn't know what they looked like
Her mother went away when Robin was 2 or 3 and her father had already died. It's easy to see why she couldn't remember their faces.
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Wait… Robin's father died!?
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I've always imagined Robin's father to be this Indiana Jones-type archeologist adventurer. Though I guess in the end he couldn't pull off all those escapades quite as well as Indy himself could.
That said, I never really liked her backstory, because it felt too much like a fairy tale, with the evil relatives, constant chores, dickish children, etc. etc. Until the stuff with the Buster Call and the Void Century came up, it was something that I'd already seen before plenty of times.
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I think all the character's, or at least Zoro and maybe Usopp, Sanji, and Nami, will get another backstory. I feel like they all have a gap in their lives that the reader doesn't fully know about
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And Franky's dad was a random pirate who didn't want to take care of a kid. Left him in the scrapyard where he was found by Tom.
I always thought they said franky's parents threw him overboard for being a brat.
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I always thought they said franky's parents threw him overboard for being a brat.
That's definately what my manga says.
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Her mother went away when Robin was 2 or 3 and her father had already died. It's easy to see why she couldn't remember their faces.
Exactly. I was explaining why her parents couldn't have given her the devil fruit she ate. Hence how she got it is still a mystery.
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If I was to rank them from the "Most Impacting" to "Least Impacting", (for me), however, it would probably go something like this:
1.) Zoro's
2.) Brooke's
3.) Luffy's
4.) Chopper's
5.) Franky's
6.) Nico Robin's
7.) Nami's
8.) Usopp's
9.) Sanji's
wow that's nothing like what I think, I'm not questioning your opinion but could you please explain this, I'm quite interested in this now
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@Elektrik:
I think all the character's, or at least Zoro and maybe Usopp, Sanji, and Nami, will get another backstory. I feel like they all have a gap in their lives that the reader doesn't fully know about
Like what? Luffy was never shown with Ace or Garp before his second flashback so it made sense but no other character got at least an hint to getting a second flashback.
Maybe Brook.I always thought they said franky's parents threw him overboard for being a brat.
I recall it says somewhere his dad was a pirate.
Exactly. I was explaining why her parents couldn't have given her the devil fruit she ate. Hence how she got it is still a mystery.
Her parents having one doesn't mean they gave it. Like someone said, she could've just found it and bited it like Luffy did. We have no idea how old she was when she got her powers.
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Like someone said, she could've just found it and bited it like Luffy did.
Luffy got it off a Yonkou who would obviously have access to them. As far as we know, Robin never met one. A little girl just somehow got her hands on a highly sought after and quasi-legendary (outside of the GL anyway) fruit on an island in West Blue.
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Only SH member i somehow could see getting another flashback is maybe Zoro, because his one was rly short and early in the story(even when i think why he wanted to get the greatest swordman is the most importnat thing and that was told glass clear).
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Ivankov sure did one hell of a nice work :blink:
It's funny to see how many crazy ideas appeared since Ivankov's DF power was revealed xDyeah like Crocodile is Luffys mom
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Luffy got it off a Yonkou who would obviously have access to them. As far as we know, Robin never met one. A little girl just somehow got her hands on a highly sought after and quasi-legendary (outside of the GL anyway) fruit on an island in West Blue.
Same thing with Alvida just finding hers.
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@S.C.:
Same thing with Alvida just finding hers.
Alvida was a strong EB pirate, she getting a fruit makes sense. You can't compare her to an 8 year old girl.
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Alvida was a strong EB pirate, she getting a fruit makes sense. You can't compare her to an 8 year old girl.
Debatable. Besides, it's doubtful she journied after her fruit, probably found it on random, like Robin.
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Debatable. Besides, it's doubtful she journied after her fruit, probably found it on random, like Robin.
Alvida probably took over a ship that had happened to have one. Robin couldn't have done the same.
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Alvida probably took over a ship that had happened to have one. Robin couldn't have done the same.
She could have done this, could have done that, but again, it could have been a Fruit just randomly there. I imagine not every user has to fight or steal or buy them.
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@S.C.:
She could have done this, could have done that, but again, it could have been a Fruit just randomly there. I imagine not every user has to fight or steal or buy them.
If it was so easy to get a fruit people wouldn't fight and kill over them, which has been mentioned they do. Especially in the Blues where they're considered solely rumors/legends. Any way you look at it, it doesn't make any sense. They don't randomly freaking appear wherever it feels like it.
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If it was so easy to get a fruit people wouldn't fight and kill over them, which has been mentioned they do. Especially in the Blues where they're considered solely rumors/legends. Any way you look at it, it doesn't make any sense. They don't randomly freaking appear wherever it feels like it.
ONE PIECE IS NOT REAL…..
Oda the person who writes the story can do whatever he wants and he wanted give a devil fruit to one of his main characters and he did and he could use the following of how she got it either Robin getting her devil fruit could have been from her parents who went out to sea alot or from the beach because thats where she met that giant and she might have gone there other times as well.she might have even stolen it off someone because the people she was staying with did not feed her much and same reason she would have eaten it if she found it at the beach.
yes Oda can make it appear whenever he likes it is his manga also Alvida landed on hers she did not have to fight for it at all after being hit once by luffy which sent her flying!
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ONE PIECE IS NOT REAL…..
Oda the person who writes the story can do whatever he wants and he gave a devil fruit to one of his main charactersYour posts are a pain in the ass to read so I'm just going to respond to this bit cause I didn't read the rest, and judging by how retarded this sentence is it's probably not worth reading anyway.
Oda can do whatever he wants so long as he follows his own rules; he established that DFs are extremely rare and almost unheard of outside of the Grand Line. We're talking about a fruit that's worth one hundred million beri. That's as much as Luffy's second bounty, and I'm expected to believe some little girl in West Blue who was being treated as a maid by her aunt randomly got her hands on a devil fruit? Give me a break.
Yeah, Oda can do whatever he wants; but that's just bad writing and an enormous fucking plothole so I really hope it does get explained sometime in the future.
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Your posts are a pain in the ass to read so I'm just going to respond to this bit cause I didn't read the rest, and judging by how retarded this sentence is it's probably not worth reading anyway.
Oda can do whatever he wants so long as he follows his own rules; he established that DFs are extremely rare and almost unheard of outside of the Grand Line. We're talking about a fruit that's worth one hundred million beri. That's as much as Luffy's second bounty, and I'm expected to believe some little girl in West Blue who was being treated as a maid by her aunt randomly got her hands on a devil fruit? Give me a break.
Yeah, Oda can do whatever he wants; but that's just bad writing and an enormous fucking plothole so I really hope it does get explained sometime in the future.
the only bad writing is you also don't bother quoting people and responding when you don't read their posts you are nothing but a forum troll.
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the only bad writing is you also don't bother quoting people and responding when you don't read their posts you are nothing but a forum troll.
Says the guy who has no idea what a fucking comma is.
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Your posts are a pain in the ass to read so I'm just going to respond to this bit cause I didn't read the rest, and judging by how retarded this sentence is it's probably not worth reading anyway.
Oda can do whatever he wants so long as he follows his own rules; he established that DFs are extremely rare and almost unheard of outside of the Grand Line. We're talking about a fruit that's worth one hundred million beri. That's as much as Luffy's second bounty, and I'm expected to believe some little girl in West Blue who was being treated as a maid by her aunt randomly got her hands on a devil fruit? Give me a break.
Yeah, Oda can do whatever he wants; but that's just bad writing and an enormous fucking plothole so I really hope it does get explained sometime in the future.
Right, like taking a swim in a river and randomly finding a gold nugget. Or going to Africa and finding a rock with a diamond poking out the side of it. Yes, while it is uncommon to find something rare randomly, it does happen. That's how the entire California gold rush started, someone randomly found a few gold nuggets and figured there must be more. I'd say finding a devil fruit on a beach is about as plausible as finding a message in a bottle. Oh wait, I've read of three people who found one in 2010…
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Your posts are a pain in the ass to read so I'm just going to respond to this bit cause I didn't read the rest, and judging by how retarded this sentence is it's probably not worth reading anyway.
Oda can do whatever he wants so long as he follows his own rules; he established that DFs are extremely rare and almost unheard of outside of the Grand Line. We're talking about a fruit that's worth one hundred million beri. That's as much as Luffy's second bounty, and I'm expected to believe some little girl in West Blue who was being treated as a maid by her aunt randomly got her hands on a devil fruit? Give me a break.
Yeah, Oda can do whatever he wants; but that's just bad writing and an enormous fucking plothole so I really hope it does get explained sometime in the future.
A possible explanation is an archeologist found it, and Robin ate it. Not too likely, but that's the best I could think of.
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Your posts are a pain in the ass to read so I'm just going to respond to this bit cause I didn't read the rest, and judging by how retarded this sentence is it's probably not worth reading anyway.
Oda can do whatever he wants so long as he follows his own rules; he established that DFs are extremely rare and almost unheard of outside of the Grand Line. We're talking about a fruit that's worth one hundred million beri. That's as much as Luffy's second bounty, and I'm expected to believe some little girl in West Blue who was being treated as a maid by her aunt randomly got her hands on a devil fruit? Give me a break.
Yeah, Oda can do whatever he wants; but that's just bad writing and an enormous fucking plothole so I really hope it does get explained sometime in the future.
Alvida found one outside the grandline
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Right, like taking a swim in a river and randomly finding a gold nugget. Or going to Africa and finding a rock with a diamond poking out the side of it.
As far as we know devil fruits aren't rock formations and don't randomly appear on islands based on their geology.
@Doc:
Alvida found one outside the grandline
Robin was an eight year old girl, Alvida was a notorious pirate who stole valuables from other people. Of course Alvida was far more likely to run into a devil fruit than an eight year old child who never left her island.
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Robin was an eight year old girl, Alvida was a notorious pirate who stole valuables from other people. Of course Alvida was far more likely to run into a devil fruit than an eight year old child who never left her island.
Robin coulduv found it on her island while she was strolling the beach or forest
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@Doc:
Robin coulduv found it on her island while she was strolling the beach or forest
That doesn't make sense outside of the Grand Line.
@Dr.:
A possible explanation is an archeologist found it, and Robin ate it. Not too likely, but that's the best I could think of.
This is the most likely explanation, but I still hope that Oda will delve into it when we meet Dr. Vegapunk.
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That doesn't make sense outside of the Grand Line.
Its not 100% that they only grow in the grandline
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@Doc:
Its not 100% that they only grow in the grandline
We know they are practically unknown outside of the GL, while people in the GL know about them like it's a rare, but not unheard of, sight.
Alvida being a wandering and thieving pirate only hearing rumors about DFs and not actually thinking they were real Vs. random citizens in Alabasta who knew that Smoker and Luffy had DFs as soon as they saw them use theirs.
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Because people with devil fruit powers tend to go to the granline
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I don't want to say this because I got this from Berserk and they are very different mangas. But maybe the devil fruits behave like the Behelits, you know, like the owner of the devil fruit is pre-determined by fate. So it's like the devil fruit finds you, not you finding them. Very far-fetched and I don't like the idea of something godly controlling fates on one piece, but maybe, just maybe.
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As far as we know devil fruits aren't rock formations and don't randomly appear on islands based on their geology.
The point is we know absolutely nothing about DF origins… Is there a tree where they sprout? Or they spontaneously sprout from the ground? Are they a sort of sea fruit, which can be randomly found on a beach?
Until now, we only saw fruits which were already been taken and kept by someone: we never saw the right moment someone finds them. Everything about their origin is just a theory, for now. So yes, then COULD randomly appear on islands based on their geology, for what we know. They could even pop out from a toilet, for what we know.
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The point is we know absolutely nothing about DF origins… Is there a tree where they sprout? Or they spontaneously sprout from the ground? Are they a sort of sea fruit, which can be randomly found on a beach?
Until now, we only saw fruits which were already been taken and kept by someone: we never saw the right moment someone finds them. Everything about their origin is just a theory, for now. So yes, then COULD randomly appear on islands based on their geology, for what we know. They could even pop out from a toilet, for what we know.
Let's wait until Vegapunk will explain us everything about DFs. Until now, everything is a garbage theory.My old thoughts on this were that some witches got pissed, cursed a giant tree to give out fucked up fruit that give people powers that come with the stigma of being water weakened. I remember on one of the chapter it saying that devil fruits were made by sea witches so whatever.
Also I like how we went from discussing character backstories and how their incomplete and some have plot holes. To being completely obsessed with where devil fruits come from and how an 8 year old girl came upon one. Of curse 8 being near the same age as Luffy when he got his and a lot older than Chopper when he got his.