Probably because you're choosing to hear it that way. It's just a bunch of text. In my head it didn't sound angry at all. What's the reasoning? Because I said fuck?
And embarrassed by what? From being misunderstood or misunderstanding something?
You're clearly the one who misunderstood something. No one else did.
You're clearly the one who misunderstood something. No one else did.
I just said that I was being misunderstood. Me. You and that other guy are misunderstanding how I'm feeling right now by assuming I'm angry. So yes. They did.
I'm kinda starting too now though.
Not really. No. It might be when animated though.
Heh I like this as an argument 
Others will want to string you up with arguments about "Anime is bad mmkay" but I like it.
That said you can animate the manga in your mind - stretch that imagination a little now and then 
Now lets all sing the imagination song!
Ug I hate the animation of the sword techniques! All coloful and bright, they also completely ruined pretty much every move Mihawk made during the war. God that was infuriating.
Are you kidding?
Anime style sword slashing is the coolest. It's way more fun to watch than in manga and with helluva lot more detail.
It's awesome. Don't be hatin swordsmen. They are the best. :ninja:
Ug I hate the animation of the sword techniques! All coloful and bright, they also completely ruined pretty much every move Mihawk made during the war. God that was infuriating.
no taste. at all.
no taste. at all.
I shouldn't be discussing this in this thread but, well, did you see the Mihawk fight in the anime!?
no taste. at all.
To be honest, I'm kinda confused on what else he thinks they could possibly look like.
no taste. at all.
Easy as pie to fit in it seems.
You just need to love not hate.
man this site changed me. I'm a new man….so to speak. Apparently free (or positive).
Man I can't wait to see the fight between mihawk and zoro.
To bad we will have to wait another 500 chapters or so for that to happen. :sad:
To be honest, I'm kinda confused on what else he thinks they could possibly look like.
imagination .
It seems like Oda wants to delay Zoro showing off for some reason, perhaps due to the unimaginable growth he's had.
All I can say is, when he does show off, it won't be on something irrelevant like a volcano, it'll probably something jaw dropping.
Yea theres been a lot of about to do something awesome then being stopped first it was wanting to defeat the kraken before luffy even was able to use his attack then robin stropping him from dealing with a gigantic avalanche i can feel the big moment coming
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Someone married their stepmom and then got murdered?
Sounds like he used a monkey paw to make a porno story come true.
Then the curse of the paw eventually killed him.
Yea theres been a lot of about to do something awesome then being stopped first it was wanting to defeat the kraken before luffy even was able to use his attack then robin stropping him from dealing with a gigantic avalanche i can feel the big moment coming
He splits FI in two - THE ISLAND MOFO's
the laugh zoro gives when usopp saves them is brilliant.
You start realising that zoro is starting to actually trust Usopp even more:
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/34449417/10
i'm still eager to see what zoro has learnt from mihawk.
the laugh zoro gives when usopp saves them is brilliant.
You start realising that zoro is starting to actually trust Usopp even more:
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/34449417/10i'm still eager to see what zoro has learnt from mihawk.
Yea i liked that looks like he's realising the crew members can help themselves and he won't need to worry as much about them or shoulder problems alone like he did in TB
yup, zoro was like luffy; crew mates are weak and therefore he needs to defend them. hes kinda figured out now that everyone can take care of themselves, and he can work towards his goals wholeheartedly, #1 swordsman and luffy being pirate king. frankly i see him like the pseudo daddy of the crew. always working towards keeping everyone safe, as if he chooses everyone as a higher priority than himself
Well argued, and the more long and ramble-y the better. Although I regret that the application of logic to an issue like this makes playing devil's advocate so much more difficult….
This situation seems more complex than previous ones seen in this series though. When the conflict between humans, human collaborators, and the antihuman fishmen supremacists comes to a head, I have a feeling that Luffy will boil it down to "Arlong was an asshole" and leave it at that. I don't think this arc can end in the traditional "beat up the bad guys and the good guys throw a party to make up" ending seen in alabasta and skypeia. The moral picture is more muddled.
Personally, I'd agree with Luffy on his sentiment. Yes, as mentioned, there are circumstances that can help explain Arlong's actions, but to me, it ultimately boils down to "he was a bad (fish)man". Still, that's a matter of opinion, and I don't want to start bringing it up again, so will leave it with that.
On your main point, though, I'm in complete agreement. Arlong specifically aside, the situation as a whole is definitely incredibly morally ambiguous, purely because the history of discrimination certainly can justify quite a variety of reactions, even if opinion on just what extent, and whether it includes Arlong, varies. Fishmen being generally distrusting and even racist towards humans, for example, could be understandable; especially if you consider the possibility of some who have never interacted with a human in their lives, and had only grown up being told stories of how all humans are complete irredeemable demons whose only thought in life was to subjugate and humiliate mer-kind.
We'll have to see what happens, of course, but I can definitely seeing this arc heading for 'tragic villain' territory. The potential pathos, to the reader, of having their hero have to defeat someone, knowing they have no other choice, but also knowing enough that they'd wish above all else that there were another choice, could be quite powerful, pulled off well, and I have no doubt it will be should Oda choose to go that path.
On the other hand, it's possible that sort of conflict will be glossed over by introducing a third party that ends up making the Strawhats and otherwise antagonistic fishmen set aside their differences. Actually, in a sense, there's precedent for it. Consider Skypiea, but pretend that Enel hadn't been a factor, and rather the villains of the arc had been the Shandians. All else equal, then, we would have had more or less the situation I described above: as readers, we would know that the Shandians were simply fighting for their ancestral home land, and all the tragic back story involved with that, and wouldn't help but sympathize with that. At the same time, we would have to accept (assuming, still hypothetically, that it were written this way) that defeating them was sadly the only choice. Of course, that wasn't the case: instead insane villain Enel was introduced, and in the process of defeating him, the differences between Skypieans and Shandians ended up being settled.
So, again, not to say things will happen in one particular way or another, but I would just say that while I agree the situation as a whole is in no way black and white, how much Oda will choose to really delve into that is something I'll personally just wait to see.
Oh, and thanks all for the welcome, appreciate it! I don't exactly consider myself a new comer… I've been around for quite a while, just never posted before. Still, nice to know that my choice to stop lurking seems to be considered a positive effect!
so lemme get something straight here
if arlong is said to be as strong as jimbei, does that mean luffy > jimbei? (even before they had went to the grand line)?
or was it really just weak ppl's fairy tales?
if arlong is said to be as strong as jimbei, does that mean luffy > jimbei? (even before they had went to the grand line)?
or was it really just weak ppl's fairy tales?
I don't think Arlong was as strong as Jinbe, he had the potential to become as strong as Jinbe, but I doubt it he actually was. Remember that Arlong was probably only in his late teens when he went to East Blue and is probably in his late 20s now if he's still alive. Jinbe is in his 40s. Of course, this doesn't usually mean shit, but in this case Arlong was probably only in the Sunny Pirates for a couple of years and Jinbe was probably with Fisher Tiger since the start.
so lemme get something straight here
if arlong is said to be as strong as jimbei, does that mean luffy > jimbei? (even before they had went to the grand line)?
or was it really just weak ppl's fairy tales?
Arlong was never said to be as strong as Jinbe.
If Arlong shows up again it'll either be in a flashback or as fodder for the weak trio (namely Nami). Hammond has the tattoo because Arlong's probably a martyr for fishman hate against humans or one of Arlong's relatives is their captain which would explain why they have a sawfish tattoo.
Ok, I dind't read all the pages, but I'd like to share a theorie with you guys (its about this chapter, so I didn't go to "theories" thread ): I've beem thinking about the light in F I , and as it looks like it is close to the surface ( LOOK like, cause of the "amount" of it ) i remembered the reverse montain, wich is/are also part of the Red Line and has its name because the sea goes UP the mountain instead of DOWN, so I'm considering if the log pose could suffer effects of some reverse mangnetic propreties in Red Line, and that in some point, even at 10.000ft undersea, they actualy went UP and F I is actualy near the surface of the sea.
I KNOW its kinda dumb and Camie / Octo / Papagui / lot of more people would have said something about it.
But that much of light is somehow disturbing me lol.
tks for reading
@Robo:
Arlong was never said to be as strong as Jinbe.
http://manga.animea.net/one-piece-chapter-69-page-8.html this is what i am refering to
http://manga.animea.net/one-piece-chapter-69-page-8.html this is what i am refering to
This tends to come up any time talk about Arlong, or to a lesser extent, Jinbei does.
From Stephen's translation for the chapter:
Yosaku: Can't you concentrate for 30 seconds?!
Forget it, I'll just skip over all the complicated battle history.
The place we're heading right now is "ARLONG PARK"!!!
An area ruled by a fishman who once stood shoulder-to-shoulder with Jinbeh, one of the Seven Armed Seas,
known as "ARLONG"!!!
His personal strength surpasses that of Don Krieg!!!
Basically, I think the general consensus is that what you linked is simply a faulty translation. It's not as though those were in any way uncommon back then. I think what's being conveyed there is just the fact that at one point Arlong was in some way associated with Jinbei, the specific manner being more or less irrelevant; that association alone with such a powerful figure is enough to lend him more of an aura of threat himself.
Think about it like Luffy being at the Marineford War. Sure, he wasn't able to do much against the real heavy hitters, to understate things a bit, but the very fact that he was simply there lends itself immensely to his fame.
@Mr.333:
What happened to Beka? :wassat:
She's probably watching from afar, plotting, awaiting the return of Moria.
We're anticipating his epic return.
Definitely more than anyone else…
[/chokes on lie]
@Panda:
This tends to come up any time talk about Arlong, or to a lesser extent, Jinbei does.
From Stephen's translation for the chapter:
Basically, I think the general consensus is that what you linked is simply a faulty translation. It's not as though those were in any way uncommon back then. I think what's being conveyed there is just the fact that at one point Arlong was in some way associated with Jinbei, the specific manner being more or less irrelevant; that association alone with such a powerful figure is enough to lend him more of an aura of threat himself.
Think about it like Luffy being at the Marineford War. Sure, he wasn't able to do much against the real heavy hitters, to understate things a bit, but the very fact that he was simply there lends itself immensely to his fame.
well…even if ur definition it shows them to be shoulder-to-shoulder. i wouldnt' expect that to be any different now. its just arlong chose to be immensely rich, and to control property that would require him no threat whatsoever (or so he thought), hence east blue. jimbei on the otherhand chose to be a shichibukai, frankly they chose different career paths. frankly it doestn' really matter. luffy is stronger than both now, but imo arlong will definately show up in these chapters, posibly as fodder for nami to rape.
well…even if ur definition it shows them to be shoulder-to-shoulder. i wouldnt' expect that to be any different now. its just arlong chose to be immensely rich, and to control property that would require him no threat whatsoever (or so he thought), hence east blue. jimbei on the otherhand chose to be a shichibukai, frankly they chose different career paths. frankly it doestn' really matter. luffy is stronger than both now, but imo arlong will definately show up in these chapters, posibly as fodder for nami to rape.
Shoulder to shoulder most likely would mean to be in position not actual battle power, like saying that Moria stands shoulder to shoulder w/ Mihawk in position while their battle power difference is obvious
I like how we're saying Luffy is stronger then Jinbe, based on nothing.
I like how we're saying Luffy is stronger then Jinbe, based on nothing.
What little speculation of this there is is based off of the fact that Jimbei said something in AL that could be understood as that a fully healed and determined Luffy could have a fighting chance. If this is Jimbei's appraisal of Luffy's power, then it's easy to conclude, given Luffy's tremendous growth, that Luffy could beat Jimbei.
But that's just if you want to base yourself off of a comment that can easily be disregarded as a valid comment in the first place. Personally, I dismiss that comment as more of Jimbei's humility that tends to grossly undersell his own power. And also as a polite comment towards a distraught and grieving Luffy.
I do think however, that Luffy can beat Jimbei now on dry land, but that's just what I want, based off of nothing more than where I think Luffy is now on the power scale.
Short chapter, but nonetheless good.
I'm hoping Hammond will be a powerful, developed villain.
I'm hoping Hammond will be a powerful, developed villain.
I disagree. I think we've had enough of fishmen villains. What we need is more fishman heroes and more human villains since that's the problem that's supposed to be affecting Fishman Island.
I disagree. I think we've had enough of fishmen villains. What we need is more fishman heroes and more human villains since that's the problem that's supposed to be affecting Fishman Island.
Well, I do agree on your last point.
But you don't think there's not going to be more Fishmen villains, in this arc? They don't have to be in the majority, just a oppositional force.
I see the main villain role split between the Captain of the new Sunny Pirates and either A. the main slave trader there, B. a subordinate of a Yonkou who has claimed the Island or maybe both in one. The Captain will probably be dealt with first then the human.
Van der Decken may appear, but I think he'll show up early in the New World for his chance.
Fishman island finally!
Other than that, I laughed so hard at Sanji's dream. I also hope we will see the Kraken again.
As for Arlong, I'm wishing for a battle between him and Nami in the future, even if it is just to show off Nami's new techniques. Though, I don't think Arlong will be the main villain again, because we just met two new villain groups, Van der Decken and the New Fishmen Pirates.
Well, I do agree on your last point.
But you don't think there's not going to be more Fishmen villains, in this arc? They don't have to be in the majority, just a oppositional force.
I think they'll get on Luffy's side not too far in the arc once the slavers/tenryuubito appear or whatever it is.
Well, I do agree on your last point.
But you don't think there's not going to be more Fishmen villains, in this arc? They don't have to be in the majority, just a oppositional force.
Apparently, more pirates than Luffy go there. If a meathead like Caribou knew enough to strap a Sea King onto the front of his ship, there's bound to be others. And they'll probably be of the powerful variety, unlike the ones who Surume ate and crapped out.
But no, it'll probably be a power struggle, and there will probably be some sort of connection to the WG of some sort. I bet Van Der Decken and Hammond aren't nearly the main players, though. Then again, Oda may try to break out of his mold of introducing complementary and supporting characters first, then slowly building up to introducing the boss…but I just don't see him breaking that cycle right away. Though it would be nice if he accelerated things a little like he did between Whiskey Peak and Arabasta. I don't think every arc needs to be an epic one.
Maybe not every arc but certainly this arc.
I read past chapter discussions and I know how humiliating it can be when you firmly believe in something and the very next chapter it's been disproved. Reading through them is fun. I get to see their reactions when they realize that they were way, WAAAY off their mark.
If Arlong reappears and it is only to fight Nami, those scenes will be the foulest of crap produced by Oda.
If Arlong reappears and it is only to fight Nami, those scenes will be the foulest of crap produced by Oda.
I'm going to have to agree with this.
Arlong's part is done. Oda doesn't need him anymore.
arlong has gotten beaten down already and besides the navy no one from their past has beat them
whats wrong with nami vs arlong?
also…how many major fishman villains have we actually seen o.O for some reason i can only remember 1: arlong
@RPG:
arlong has gotten beaten down already and besides the navy no one from their past has beat them
Crocodile beat luffy…. Two times :ninja:
