Keep in mind that Oda has also admitted he is very bad at drawing women (pretty early on in the series he admitted this).
What do you think of the way women are portrayed in OP?
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Also Dark Ren, I have to slap you with the Irony stick for talking about how big boobs sometime cross the line when you have that avatar. Or maybe the hypocrit paddle…
haha. no, i`m talking about fairy tail (about crossing the line). I do like boobs, but for fairy tail that show some nudity, that what I say crossing the line.
One Piece is aired here, and it is dubbed, so that it is aired without subtitles. and some episodes that show some fan services (it aired here until thriller bark saga) of course is being cut, despite it is not aired at prime time. such example are happy punch, while nami changing clothes on sea train, and when Absalom peek while nami is bathing. It makes me upset though
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Except OP was curiously bereft of it for nearly 400 chapters.
I don't believe the first part is true. OP became popular without fanservice and its inclusion hasn't really made a noticeable impact in its popularity. Fanservice is mostly dead weight/filler, like a lot of chase scenes in Hollywood movies. There's really no explanation for why or how it found its way into OP, and why it's still here.
If anything, fanservice is used by an inferior manga-ka to compensate for content a skilled one creates. To-Love-Ru comes to mind, it was nothing but pointless fanservice and circular situations, and now it's canceled, like a lot of manga of its type.
Actually, To-Love-Ru is in a monthly manga now, and it was previously cancelled due to personal reasons.
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The roles are weak, but for a shonen it's honestly not so bad. Or should I say japanese comic, because shojo can be just as awful (worse even).
there are more japanese comics than what's aimed at the 13+ crowd. generally more mature japanese comics (seinen and josei) have a more mature take on genders.
the women aren't always depicted as fairly as they could be, but neither are the males (sanji the drooling, horny idiot). it's a family/kids comic, so you shouldn't be expecting this perfect, world-changing and totally balanced view on gender roles and people, anyway. i think it mostly disturbs western viewers who grew up in a feminist society the way it doesn't disturb japanese who grew up in a chauvinistic society.
it would be equally annoying to me personally if oda went the way a lot of western series would and just feminized it, making all the men bumbling idiots and the ladies capable and smart and perfect at everything. he already does a little bit of that as it is. i think oda repeatedly jokes how nami is the true leader of the straw hats or whatever. the ladies' roles aren't diminished, but women are physically weaker than men. oda is clever enough to show, even in a shonen manga, fighting power isn't the only indication of importance and relevance.
it would be very nice if the women got more development and screen time, but i don't think he needs to have them crushing opponents with special moves. the girls do tend to be relegated to cheerleaders, but it's a shonen manga - it's expected and PREFERRED to have the girls be faceless 'cute' or 'hot chicks'. when there's an arc centering around nami or whomever, generally oda handled them extremely fairly.
@Gekko135:Oda leaving romance as a very very minor point (or just nonexistent), was a great choice as I'm sure we'd all prefer the bossy, tough Nami over some cliche harem girl who's only purpose is to cling to the protagonist.
..you mean boa hancock?
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The thing I like about One Piece, is when the rubber meets the road, Nami and Robin acutally get down and fight the bad guys. They'll never hold a torch to the men, but they still do something, unlike Sakura from Naruto.
I do agree that Oda has slowly over-sexualized Nami, it's why I like Robin more (She's sexy, but Nami is just hot.) But I know Oda will still give her claws, and to me, that even things out.
Though just get her out of that bra top please…
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Kishi wanted Sakura to be a sexy character, but literally couldn't pull it off. His own words.
Hey man, sometimes your mistakes turn out well.
But I meant more in the lines of visual variance anyway. They're all unique…ly not that interesting.
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the fan service really doesn't bother me at all, I have personally seen worse from both sides of the pacific.I do wish that Nami and Robin would get more fights though.
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Nami's in her ''experimenting age'' so her dressing up in bra tops and stuff should suit her.
Robin is elegant, covers up most of the time, suits her age too.
Hancock is supposed to be 'the most beautiful', so i won't blame her if she dresses up like she should so.Other than the amazon lily arc, I think its fine with the main characters. Snakes with boobs are just disturbing.
But margaret was cute so that makes it up.Overall, I think its perfectly balanced. If you wanna see equality or supposedly 'stronger' female characters, go watch something else like ikkitousen or somethin.
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To be honest…I really don't see the sexism all that much in Bakuman.
Takagi's speech in like the 2nd chapter about why Miho was smarter than Iwase was pretty blatantly sexist. But it was also being said by a 14 year old boy.
Mashiro's mom having less say than his father is largely cultural. My family is Italian and it was the same w/ my grandparents. My mom's part time jobs, etc. were all decided by her father. Not the same w/ my parents though.
As for the rest of the women...I fail to see how Aoki, Iwase, or Miyoshi are very weak or even similar in personality. Aoki is mild mannered but pretty strong as a character, Iwase has an unpleasant personality and strange issues w/ falling for men, and Miyoshi is actually a pretty necessary character in the series. Miho is the only one really off-screen...but her and Mashiro are equally sappy and overly-romanticize things equally. She's out accomplishing her own dreams and making more progress than Mashiro or Takagi.
As for One Piece...generally not that bad.
Nami may be sexualized a bit, but not nearly as much as Lucy or Erza in Fairy Tail for example.
Favorite overall female manga character is Endo Kanna in 20th Century Boys.
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Sometimes I really really HATE their outfits. Too slutty for my taste.
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As long as there are no faux action girls I'm okay with how women are in one piece. Thought I would love it if they stopped looking like they were born in Long ring long island. Such long and narrow waist you have~.
I can jokingly say now that I the Nami/Kalifa fanservice parts of the fight are the reasons we didn't get that Ussop and Garp interaction in the whole Water7/Lobby arc. XD
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I think that the roles of the women in One Piece are, in general, fair. You have to remember that the main subject of One Piece is piracy. In history, female pirates were almost nonexistent. In One Piece, there aren't any women in crews like Buggy's, Shanks', and Kuro's. Realistically, this is what I would expect. Considering this is a pirate manga, I think that Oda's portrayal of women is generous. Also, it's really only natural to be more inclined to make characters of your own gender. You can pick up a random book in a bookstore and nine times out of ten the main character will be the same gender as the author. I like how Nami and Robin have such distinct personalities, how Nami is tough and in charge and Robin is smart with a weird sense of humor. Also, the fanservice with Nami doesn't really bother me, because Nami always took advantage of her sexuality… even when she was a flat-chested, cutesy girl. Remember when she 'stripped' to trick Johnny and Yosaku off the ship?
As for the strength of the women, Both Nami and Robin can take down large groups of people at a time, and there's a female Yonkou, Supernova, and Shichibukai. I think Robin could hold her own against anyone in the crew except the monster trio, and there's Usopp and Chopper on the same level as Nami (it's not like she's the weakest of them). Amazon Lily, too, showed an entire kingdom of strong women who don't rely on men. Altogether, I think that there is nothing unereasonable. Stereotyping is hard to avoid sometimes (like people saying that Japanese comics are sexist because that's just how the Japanese are. Nobody meant to be racist or anything, but if you look at it just right you can see it there), because human beings naturally make connections between ideas. Ask anyone out there to picture a girl, and the first image that pops into mind is a chick with long hair and boobs. That's just how people are.
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I think they're fine
Most of them are likable and interesting characters, and I don't even agree about them supposedly looking the same
Body wise sure maybe, but the faces of some of the "attractive" girls are pretty different, as Oda isn't afraid to give some of them pretty distinctive noses, like with Robin or Tashigi for ex
Compare to Kishimoto's girls, there's virtually no difference in Tenten, Ino, Sakura and Hinata's facial features, and let's not even talk about their terrible, terrible personalities
Or Kubo's girls
lol Kubo
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Hmm… let's make a point of dividing up this issue into a couple major themes involving women and see how one piece has evolved over the course of the series.
1. Fan Service: This is the most obvious change in the series. Nami has gone from petite to buxom and from casual attire to skimpier and skimpier outfits. Like Terek said, this wasn't even a minor element in the series until Alabasta and now it's a constant theme.
2. Violence against women: Oda seems to constantly avoid letting his characters do any harm whatsoever to attractive women. The lesson seems to be that beating ugly women is fine. Luffy beats fat alvida and the grotesque snake sisters, but refuses to attack the other amazons. Zoro beats down the butch miss monday, but won't fight Tashigi or Bonny. Sanji can't fight Kalifa or any woman. Usopp psychs out Perona instead of actively harming her.
Attractive women are sacrosanct in this manga and any abuse of them is considered the foulest of activities only performed by the worst of the worst villains (spandam, World nobles, arlong etc.) This chauvinism can be somewhat annoying because it makes fight matchups predictable and removes any potential for a boss level female enemy character.
3. Sexual power dimorphism: Kuina's statement that women in the one piece world have a glass ceiling of physical strength seems born out. Admittedly female power has improved after W7, but even to this point the strongest female characters in the series have gimmick fighting styles or use haki to make up for supposed deficiencies. Considering that the lanky zoro is one of the physically strongest characters in the series, gender body type issues really shouldn't have been relevant. I'm hoping this improves further with the introduction of Big Mama and the potential revelation of Luffy's mom.
4. The role of women in the crew: In this area, Oda excelled. Nami and Robin are well developed characters with independent goals, strong wills, and have important responsibilities on the ship. In emergency situations it is Nami who gives the orders. Robin is generally the most merrily sadistic member on board. Neither cooks or cleans or has any other position of female subordination. These aren't the traditional female healer class support characters who make bento boxes and have virgin/mother/whore personalities. Kudos to Oda on that. However, with the seven to two ratio it is getting to be a little testosteroni on the sunny. I'm seriously hoping the next crewmate is a goofy unattractive fishwoman to even the balance.
So you guys have discussed fan service and female power levels to an extent, but what's the consensus on violence towards women? Is nami doomed to fight the token female on each enemy crew over and over again? Can luffy get away with punching a woman like he did to coby in order to further his goals, or would that disgust the fan base? Are we ever going to see a strong swordswoman?
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I think the violence towards women isn't really there. Luffy didn't hurt the Snake sisters. He told them that even if they were going to try and kill him, he doesn't want to kill them. Luffy isn't swayed by beauty, when he told Boa he was angry towards her, he meant it. Usopp was going to use any form of fighting against Perona. But when someone sticks their hand inside you and says they could crush you heart, most people wouldn't put up much of a fight.
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Obviously it's not across the board, but there ARE real physiological differences between men and women - one of which being average muscle strength in men. Science, not sexism.
Haki and fighting technique though are valid reasons to make female characters equally powerful of course.
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He decked Ms. Valentine without much fanfare.
did he smack vivi, too, when he made that distinction between fighting crocodile vs stopping the rebels?
op guys are fine; op girls are fine. let the fine young men reading manga in their pre-dating years grow up wondering if chicks in halter tops might deck them if they misbehave.
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Hmm… let's make a point of dividing up this issue into a couple major themes involving women and see how one piece has evolved over the course of the series.
1. Fan Service: This is the most obvious change in the series. Nami has gone from petite to buxom and from casual attire to skimpier and skimpier outfits. Like Terek said, this wasn't even a minor element in the series until Alabasta and now it's a constant theme.
2. Violence against women: Oda seems to constantly avoid letting his characters do any harm whatsoever to attractive women. The lesson seems to be that beating ugly women is fine. Luffy beats fat alvida and the grotesque snake sisters, but refuses to attack the other amazons. Zoro beats down the butch miss monday, but won't fight Tashigi or Bonny. Sanji can't fight Kalifa or any woman. Usopp psychs out Perona instead of actively harming her.
Attractive women are sacrosanct in this manga and any abuse of them is considered the foulest of activities only performed by the worst of the worst villains (spandam, World nobles, arlong etc.) This chauvinism can be somewhat annoying because it makes fight matchups predictable and removes any potential for a boss level female enemy character.
3. Sexual power dimorphism: Kuina's statement that women in the one piece world have a glass ceiling of physical strength seems born out. Admittedly female power has improved after W7, but even to this point the strongest female characters in the series have gimmick fighting styles or use haki to make up for supposed deficiencies. Considering that the lanky zoro is one of the physically strongest characters in the series, gender body type issues really shouldn't have been relevant. I'm hoping this improves further with the introduction of Big Mama and the potential revelation of Luffy's mom.
4. The role of women in the crew: In this area, Oda excelled. Nami and Robin are well developed characters with independent goals, strong wills, and have important responsibilities on the ship. In emergency situations it is Nami who gives the orders. Robin is generally the most merrily sadistic member on board. Neither cooks or cleans or has any other position of female subordination. These aren't the traditional female healer class support characters who make bento boxes and have virgin/mother/whore personalities. Kudos to Oda on that. However, with the seven to two ratio it is getting to be a little testosteroni on the sunny. I'm seriously hoping the next crewmate is a goofy unattractive fishwoman to even the balance.
So you guys have discussed fan service and female power levels to an extent, but what's the consensus on violence towards women? Is nami doomed to fight the token female on each enemy crew over and over again? Can luffy get away with punching a woman like he did to coby in order to further his goals, or would that disgust the fan base? Are we ever going to see a strong swordswoman?
I agree with all of this. Very well said.
The thing that bothers me most is not the skimpy outfits (girls should be allowed to wear whatever the fuck they want without arbitrarily being called "slutty" for it) or even the fanservice (apart from truly uncomfortable scenes like the Absalom near rape, which freaked me out but could be forgiven as just going with the horror trope). The thing that bothers me most is the arbitrary power ceiling and the lack of serious fighting (i.e., bruising and clobbering) for cute/attractive girls.
The base strength difference between girls and boys in real life is not that massive. There are plenty of girls who are born stronger than the average dude. In a fictional series where even lanky people like Zoro can lift houses, there should be nothing stopping girls who train just as hard from doing the same. At that scale of strength there should be no appreciable difference. I mean, if KUREHA can kick through walls then there should be no limiter.
I choose to interpret the Kuina thing in either of two ways:
a) In-story explanation: Koushiro (Kuina's dad) was well-meaning but just wrong/mistaken/ignorant, like most people in the OP world regarding gender equality stuff (it's still a chauvinistic world). If Kuina had really been encouraged she may well have ended up the world's strongest swordsperson.
b) Out-of-story explanation: Oda hadn't really known beforehand just how ridiculously house-liftingly strong his characters would get until Arlong Park rolled around. The arc before the not-particularly-strong Ghin and Pearl beat the shit out of Sanji; next arc he can suddenly kick through walls and beat the shit out of karate fishmen with no explanation apart from "he's just strong." In the Buggy arc Luffy was stuck in a cage he could have easily busted his way out of going by story standards now.
As for pretty girls never getting injured, it's not that I just want to see girls get beat up, but I don't want them to be condescendingly spared from injury either (one of the reasons I liked the scene where Ms. Doublefinger shoots a spike through Nami's foot, and Nami keeps fighting, that was badass). Like I said in the "What Would You Like to See" thread, if Luffy fought an equally strong, not hideous female antagonist his age SERIOUSLY (i.e. no lovetaps, serious blows) and she returned the favor blow for blow I would be absolutely ecstatic. Sadly it probably won't happen–but it will happen in my ficcery.
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Luckily Enel does not give a shit about gender, and attacked Robin, Zoro, Laki, Wiper, etc. the same
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I wish Ace had worn a shirt more often. The slut.
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Another reason calling OP women "slutty" or whatever for skimpy/revealing clothing is stupid. There's just as much such fanservice for guys like Ace.
Having a shirtless male =/= fanservice for girls.
Oda said so himself that he was never gonna cater to his female audience, and as such never put any romance in.Or are you telling me that Blackbeard being shirtless is fanservice? It's not. If Lola were shown in a bikini it wouldn't be fanservice.
And don't say Franky because Franky's pervertedness is a complete joke thing. He may appeal to some girls but he isn't an attractive character as a whole.
One Piece has very few actual guys in that category, and if you compare the male characters to ones like in shojo manga they're pretty ugly in comparison. -
They are usually beautiful, smart, complex, relevant to the storyline, they have style. I heart them.
Only complaint, I wish Tashigi receives more development in part 2 because she has a lot of potential. I hope she will no be overshadowed by the supernovas who are not really relevant to the plot (they were added at the last minute) and not very interesting. I wish to see more of Hina as well.
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There isn't anything wrong with fanservice as long as the characters remain interesting and funny.
Robin always dressed as a slut and her role on the ship is as opossed to the typical female companion of the main hero that could be considered almost a parody, but she is still one of the most interesting characters on the manga.
But I admit that Nami overhaul is a bit too much, she is so sexualized now that there is little left of the old character.
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Having a shirtless male =/= fanservice for girls.
Oda said so himself that he was never gonna cater to his female audience, and as such never put any romance in.Or are you telling me that Blackbeard being shirtless is fanservice? It's not. If Lola were shown in a bikini it wouldn't be fanservice.
And don't say Franky because Franky's pervertedness is a complete joke thing. He may appeal to some girls but he isn't an attractive character as a whole.
One Piece has very few actual guys in that category, and if you compare the male characters to ones like in shojo manga they're pretty ugly in comparison.Shirtless (non-Blackbeard) males are absolutely fanservice for girls. Even if they may not have been meant as such, girls totally nosebleed over that stuff. Don't tell me they don't. You don't need straight romance to appeal to girls, loads of female fans will just make subtext out of everything anyway. Half the fanart made by girls is Ace or Marco or even Crocodile or even do Flamingo shirtless.
I will concede that I overstated how much female fanservice there was though, so sorry.
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It could be worse if you ever seen To aru Majustu No index or Bakuman or black cat. They literrally treat the women like shit. In some of them the main character just blatantly smacks the bull shit out of them. In bakuman the moms opinion is so meaningless.
This is what I get for only reading the title and not the actually post…oh well the fan service isn't nearly as bad as some other shows.
Black Cat? women arent treated bad in Black Cat.
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Remember that it's a comic for 14 year old boys.
And if your upset about chest size in this manga, Fairy Tail would like some words with you. There's fanservice taken too far…
Really? iv never seen fairy tail so i dont know anything about it.
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Shirtless (non-Blackbeard) males are absolutely fanservice for girls. Even if they may not have been meant as such, girls totally nosebleed over that stuff. Don't tell me they don't. You don't need straight romance to appeal to girls, loads of female fans will just make subtext out of everything anyway. Half the fanart made by girls is Ace or Marco or even Crocodile or even do Flamingo shirtless.
I will concede that I overstated how much female fanservice there was though, so sorry.
There's an enormous difference between a character doing something that's fanservice and a character that just so happens to appeal to girls. Nothing Doflamingo or Crocodile ever do is fanservicey - same with Marco and Ace. The anime will sometimes add extra fanservice to appeal to girls, I admit, like how they completely gay-ified Marco, etc. but that was never anything Oda put there in the first place.
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There's an enormous difference between a character doing something that's fanservice and a character that just so happens to appeal to girls. Nothing Doflamingo or Crocodile ever do is fanservicey - same with Marco and Ace. The anime will sometimes add extra fanservice to appeal to girls, I admit, like how they completely gay-ified Marco, etc. but that was never anything Oda put there in the first place.
What would you say would be fanservice for girls then? Hypothetically.
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Violence against women, hmm. I guess one of the reasons why they don't tend to get as heavily/graphically injured as the male characters (unless it's being deliberately played for shock value) or simply have them fight other women instead of guys is to avoid coming off as misogynist and other uncomfortable implications that can arise from the image of a man deliberately bringing physical harm to a woman. And on a shallower note, bruises and blood on a girl's face just doesn't look pretty.
From my experiance this definitely holds true in mainstream anime/manga. Which was why I was taken off-guard by a recent episode of To Aru Majutsu no Index where Accelerator delivers a knuckle sandwich to Awaki's face and this was the result.
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Violence against women, hmm. I guess one of the reasons why they don't tend to get as heavily/graphically injured as the male characters (unless it's being deliberately played for shock value) or simply have them fight other women instead of guys is to avoid coming off as misogynist and other uncomfortable implications that can arise from the image of a man deliberately bringing physical harm to a woman. And on a shallower note, bruises and blood on a girl's face just doesn't look pretty.
From my experiance this definitely holds true in mainstream anime/manga. Which was why I was taken off-guard by a recent episode of To Aru Majutsu no Index where Accelerator delivers a knuckle sandwich to Awaki's face and this was the result.
There are certainly those unfortunate implications, but I think a good writer can even it out or even neutralize it with females whacking males just as hard.
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Isn't that a rather extreme standard for what's considered fanservice for girls though? I mean you don't find any yuri moments in OP either. Or are you saying that it takes more for girls for it to be really fanservice.
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I don't view the fanservice or aesthetics of the females poorly, but their roles are ill-defined compared to the men, I think. Obviously, there are more male characters than women, but I don't think I've liked the womens' roles all that much.
Sadi-chan - she was just a sexual, BDSM character who's fighting style involved pain and moaning. I think if Oda had written her differently, I could have taken her more seriously and she might have been stronger.
Vice Admiral Tsuru - she's strong, there's no doubt, but her Devil Fruit power is just as sexist as you can get. Laundry? Really? Maybe I'm looking at it through my own socially-constructed lens. If it were a man with this DF, it'd be comical, but when it's a woman, it's strange. I don't know if that's my fault or if the role is just bad.
Hancock - speaking of DF's, hers is also a bit sexist in my opinion. Her abilities all revolve around making people gawk at her, love, and other such things. I think she could have been a fine warrior without any of that, true to amazonian spirit.
Alvida - her devil fruit made her unfat and pretty, enough said there.
I'm sure there are other instances, and there are definitely women in the series who do their job well…but I just notice that they're never as strong or never reach the same potential as the men. I'm just waiting for a crazy femme fatale to come along, really. Caterina Devon might be a step in the right direction, but she's more interested in shopping than this debate, apparently.
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Isn't that a rather extreme standard for what's considered fanservice for girls though? I mean you don't find any yuri moments in OP either.
uh… Califa vs. Nami again?
"She's so sexy, if she were my secretary I'd be so happy!"
Not to mention the clothes tearing.It really doesn't matter what happens, but how it's portrayed. The doctor in that picture was just giving the other a massage, but the way it's portrayed…
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I don't view the fanservice or aesthetics of the females poorly, but their roles are ill-defined compared to the men, I think. Obviously, there are more male characters than women, but I don't think I've liked the womens' roles all that much.
Sadi-chan - she was just a sexual, BDSM character who's fighting style involved pain and moaning. I think if Oda had written her differently, I could have taken her more seriously and she might have been stronger.
Vice Admiral Tsuru - she's strong, there's no doubt, but her Devil Fruit power is just as sexist as you can get. Laundry? Really? Maybe I'm looking at it through my own socially-constructed lens. If it were a man with this DF, it'd be comical, but when it's a woman, it's strange. I don't know if that's my fault or if the role is just bad.
Hancock - speaking of DF's, hers is also a bit sexist in my opinion. Her abilities all revolve around making people gawk at her, love, and other such things. I think she could have been a fine warrior without any of that, true to amazonian spirit.
Alvida - her devil fruit made her unfat and pretty, enough said there.
I'm sure there are other instances, and there are definitely women in the series who do their job well…but I just notice that they're never as strong or never reach the same potential as the men. I'm just waiting for a crazy femme fatale to come along, really. Caterina Devon might be a step in the right direction, but she's more interested in shopping than this debate, apparently.
I agree with some of these–Alvida is a stupid character and in my opinion should just go away, the "she got slim!" conceit is insulting and not all that funny. Some of them though I can forgive due to hilarity. A laundry DF! And Hancock in general is just sweet.
I wonder how her DF power would work with a male user. I mean a girl swooning over a guy is not exactly unheard of. Frank Sinatra could use MERO MERO to good use if he were an arrogant emperor I think.
Also wasn't good ol' Sadi-chan explicitly strong enough to keep all the Minowhatsits in line? I think that's pretty cool. I even recall a scene where she breaks a bridge with her whip, which is both badass and hawt.
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Sadie-chan is a purely fanservice character, even if she is strong. You can't really deny that at all. She practically orgasms in the manga.
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uh… Califa vs. Nami again?
"She's so sexy, if she were my secretary I'd be so happy!"
Not to mention the clothes tearing.It really doesn't matter what happens, but how it's portrayed. The doctor in that picture was just giving the other a massage, but the way it's portrayed…
I guess you could call that stealth yuri, but Nami was clearly not into that shit when the fight actually started, humorous "I want her to be my secretary" comment notwithstanding. Whereas in your picture both males clearly are into it, which (maybe in my eyes only) it's the consensualness that makes it hawt/fanservicey. If it's sekuhara I ain't getting tittillated, but then again I may be the outlier here.
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Women in One Piece are portrayed to have potential to be as strong or stronger than men. Not many other manga does that. I like it.
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I guess you could call that stealth yuri, but Nami was clearly not into that shit. Whereas in your picture both males clearly are, which (maybe in my eyes only) it's the consensualness that makes it hawt/fanservicey. If it's sekuhara I ain't getting tittillated, but then again I may be the outlier here.
Clearly? Nami said Califa was sexy and that she'd want her as a secretary. She also behaved strangely with Vivi in the baths. Nami has shown no interest in men herself unless it was to dupe them into giving her treasure or whatever. You really have to wonder if Nami is attracted to women or not.
Besides, some people get turned on by rape, especially in Japan. It doesn't take away from the fanservice if it there is consent or not.Anything Sadi-chan did to anybody in ID wasn't consensual either, yet she's a character that's clearly, clearly fanservice.
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There are certainly those unfortunate implications, but I think a good writer can even it out or even neutralize it with females whacking males just as hard.
I don't even think that a good writer even needs to show a female forcefully striking a male in order to not have implications, unless, of course, that's what their going for and it works in the story. Really, I think that showing a male character hitting a female character is acceptable, as long as it makes sense given the context of the story. For instance, if the woman seriously needed to have violence inflicted on her (Such as if she was attacking the male, and he was acting in self defense, or if she was about to do something dangerously foolish and could not be stopped any other way) and if it is clearly shown that the assaulter in question would do the exact same thing to another male, or if the violence is to demonstrate how much of an asshole the male character is. In such cases, the context of the act of violence should be used to determine whether it's alright or not, and from there, it's up to the audience to decide.
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Oda's fanservice is pretty much just fairy big boobs and fairly suggestive clothing, hardly any dedicated Fanservice scenes or even panels unlike some mangas (Fairy Tail), you can tell he doesn't try too hard to give his women sex appeal, Amazon Lilly is a prime example of that, just imagine what an Arc with the Main character in a island full of women could've been in the hands of other mangakas
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Women in One Piece are portrayed to have potential to be as strong or stronger than men. Not many other manga does that. I like it.
We haven't heard of any woman who wanted to be the Pirate Queen (let's wait to Big Momma, maybe she has ambition enough)
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Nami vs Hancock would be the ultimate fight.
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I mentioned the whole moment with Nami and Kalifa couple pages back. Nami said how sexy it was. No further quotes needed.
Sadie, my god I can't stand that character. Porche was annoying enough for me, she wasn't god awful though. Then came Sadie, everytime I heard or saw that moan, I got more irritated. I think that it gets more annoying as it goes on. It seemed to be done 25+ times.
I heard "MMnnnmynnnmmmooo" for the 20th time, I was about to punch the dang computer.
I then we had Ivan transforming into a busty women, uuuuuuugggggggggggghhhhh.I will admit the way Mrs. Double Finger walked was just about as bad. Although it was an amazing moment when Nami got the spikes through the foot and kept going.
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I think certain aspects of Nami would make sense. I think the greed was mainly because
as a child she was poor, she became worried about money. If someone you loved (let along a parent)
gets killed right in front of your eyes, wouldn't you become more greedy? I think that is a deep part of her character. Arlong told Luffy that Nami was pretty cute, though. Wouldn't the whole experience with Arlong not make you want to be so revealing? -
I don't know, Sadi-chan didn't really bother me at all. I mean it only makes sense for a sadist of her caliber to be employed in such a sadistic prison, plus it's just funny. Ivankov's turning into a busty woman also didn't bother me either, though the fight between those two was disappointingly kind of lame.
