i thought i made a huge post somewhere about why Wall-E is the greatest pixar movie ever made, but i cant find it
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i thought i made a huge post somewhere about why Wall-E is the greatest pixar movie ever made, but i cant find it
The ending scene with Eva and wall E was great. Something so symbolic, yet subtle about the spark between them both made it just that much more secial.
Personally I don't know what my favourite/top rated is. In truth I doubt it would be Wall E, though its high on the list. Probably a step or two behind UP.
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I think its really interesting that apparently, for a long time in Wall-E's production, Eva is the one that got beat up in the end… and it took them a while to realize it needed to be Wall-E instead.
Even with my problems with the second half, still a fantastic amazing film.
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@RobbyBevard:
You can also make a case for Lion King simultaneously being a rip off of Hamlet AND Jungle Emporer Leo.
It all comes from expectations really. At the time the Lion King came out, it was in the middle of Disney's Animation Renaissance. If you look at all of the movies, every single one with the exception of the Rescuers: Down Under is an adaptation of a classical story. And what's more, the filmmakers were completely up-front from the beginning about saying the story was based off the Story of Joseph and Moses from the Bible as well as Hamlet. When a company's entire image is based around adapting very old classical literature into animated films with talking animals, when they do another one of those, it's just more of the same.
Also, I'm talking entirely about Plot. Cars was gorgeously animated, no denying that. As for the Kimba controversy… I didn't know about that before seeing it, so maybe that sways me a little, but it is pretty blatantly obvious now that they took a few visual elements from Kimba, but the plot is almost completely different.
Again, it comes from expectations. When watching making of stuff for all their movies, they really talk about "Story First". That "Story drives the creative Process". With a company who is so enamored with making sure their stories are so good, it comes like a slap in the face when they just give a facelift to, and COMPLETELY steal from another film.
@RobbyBevard:
King Kong is a remake of… King Kong. 10 Commandments is a remake of... 10 Commandments. Little Shop of Horrors to Little Shop of Horrors. But they bring different things to the table, different effects, ideas, characterizations, actors, action, music, editing and so stand on their own. Even the movies that follow the exact same beats and basic story can be incredibly different.
Now you're just bringing a completely different set of films to the table. They didn't call this "Doc Hollywood With Cars" or something. It was never said, at any point during production that they were "Remaking" Doc Hollywood. Companies are always upfront about Remakes. They usually either share the same title, or have a title that evokes the original's title. Basically, if anyone went in to see Peter Jackson's King Kong and expected to see a wildly different plot, the were clearly not paying any attention to… anything involved in the marketing.
If they'd MARKETED Cars as a "Remake of Doc Hollywood", then I probably wouldn't have had a problem, because I'd be going into the film thinking "Ok, Pixar's pulling a new play out of their book and remaking another film." But they didn't.
I've always expected a lot more originality from them... and so far, Cars is the ONLY film they have EVER stolen from point-by-point.@RobbyBevard:
EVERY story has been told, its about what you bring to the table to make it your own that's interesting. And in Cars' case… making them cars and focusing on racing and stunning visuals is what they brought to the table.
And Bugs life owes about as much to Seven Samurai as it does Three Amigos.
I'm talking entirely about plot. Again, Pixar is a studio that repeatedly states that "Story comes first" and "The Story drives the rest of the movie". All Cars brought to the table was a thematic change. They were cars instead of people and the main character was a racer instead of a doctor. That's it. The rest of the movie was the same point-for-point.
It just really rubs me the wrong way…
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@RobbyBevard:
I think its really interesting that apparently, for a long time in Wall-E's production, Eva is the one that got beat up in the end… and it took them a while to realize it needed to be Wall-E instead.
Even with my problems with the second half, still a fantastic amazing film.
But the second half followed the almost evolutionary breakthrough of the captain.
Admittedly I would have liked to have seen the onboard computer and captains fight to be a little more interesting/thought out.
Side note: I had no idea about eva's original story. Kind of glad they fixed that one in the end. Is it a deleted scene or was that back when the story guys were still at the drawing board?
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it's on the behind the scenes in the dvd extras
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i thought i made a huge post somewhere about why Wall-E is the greatest pixar movie ever made, but i cant find it
I know Wall-E is probably my favorite movie by Pixar. It's not perfect by any means, but I like the story and the overall message of the film. Plus I love that the most sympathetic characters in the film are robots. Non-human protagonists are pretty common for Pixar, but it's still nice to see a movie which depicts AI in a positive light.
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I don't know what to say about Wall-E, really, after "I hated the fat people and they brought a great film down." Because it wasn't completely unnecessary and it established more on EVA. All of Wall-E was justified and with a purpose. They're a good company and know what they're doing and how to round out a film.
It's just not the film I would've preferred it to be, since the space ship full of fat people didn't have to be there and I didn't like where it went, but a lot of things don't have to be there for movies so it's not so much critique as just preference. You didn't need to give the robots "makers", or creators. You especially didn't really need people on the ship. EVA's purpose could've been fulfilled as an assignment from humans long gone and a robot just continuing to follow orders. But that's basically getting away from children's film, since yes I get why there were human beings in it.
So yeah, I'll never like it above mid-range Pixar films.
And this is coming from a robot/space fanatic.
But at least I can say that it wasn't because there was something actually wrong with it.
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As for the Kimba controversy… I didn't know about that before seeing it, so maybe that sways me a little, but it is pretty blatantly obvious now that they took a few visual elements from Kimba, but the plot is almost completely different.
Lion King was pretty heavily ripped from Kimba. In house they even called it a Kimba remake early on… though obviously in later press they said "What, no? Never heard of it!
http://www.kimbawlion.com/rant2.htm
The character design, (Simba was white in the early production) pit of thorns, bug eating, evil uncle with a scar, pride rock, father in the clouds, wildebeest stampede, lots and lots of visuals…Anyway, I'm not going to defend Cars too heavily, I'm just tossing out the note to those that haven't seen it at all, to give it a chance before forever judging it because there is a lot of good stuff in it.
(And I don't remember Doc Hollywood having a dramatic action race sequence at the end)
Side note: I had no idea about eva's original story. Kind of glad they fixed that one in the end. Is it a deleted scene or was that back when the story guys were still at the drawing board?
I think it was in the commentary, and probably the bonus features. They had a lot of trouble with the ending apparently, because there was no real danger to Wall-E, he could always have parts replaced. And then they got to the idea of him being the one that racks up tons of injuries and losing his personality at the end, apparently pretty close to the end of production.
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man you know what actually, I take it back, I do feel like the tone-shift to Fat Assholes in a Spaceship was drastic enough compared to its beginning that it damaged Wall-E. It's less that it's not the film that I wanted and more that FUCK FAT PEOPLE
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that's why i avoid watching commercials and promos and junk lol
You really couldn't avoid the damn ads for it if you watched any television at all though. I'm pretty sure that ads for UP even cropped up during Mythbusters and Rescue Me; they advertised the living hell out of it.
the biggest problem with UP was that the film was set in the middle of a jungle without people, which limited the number of human characters to 3
What would the problem with that be though?
As is, there were still only seven speaking characters even with the four primary dogs added in and a lot of their dialogue was the same thing being said by the villain anyway about catching the bird.
frankly i'd rather the film have been about ellie and carl going on whirlwind adventures, since ellie is probably the best pixar female lead since … jessie i guess
I guess that's part of what bothers me about the second half of the film is that the first half sets up a voyage that is at based on an attempt at fulfilling promises that could not be kept as intended and the second half has a lot of wacky shenanigans going on. So you go from regret at lost chances to, well, dogs in fighter planes.
If it was a light-hearted romp from the start, then the oddball stuff in the second half would probably have worked better.
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You really couldn't avoid the damn ads for it if you watched any television at all though. I'm pretty sure that ads for UP even cropped up during Mythbusters and Rescue Me; they advertised the living hell out of it.
It's not that hard to avoid. I've been doing it ever since Finding Nemo
What would the problem with that be though?
well it's not that interesting for one
compared to TS3 where you had dozens of characters and supporting characters, different scenes, etc. even wall-e and m-o had more personality and communication with their limited vocabulary than did Kevin, who was more bird than actual character
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My list. Just because:
Top Favorites:
Up, Wall-E, Toy Story 3, Monsters Inc.
Pretty Great:
Ratatouille, Toy Story, Finding Nemo
Good:
The Incredibles
Okay:
Cars
Need to Watch again:
Bug's Life, Toy Story 2I don't really follow some of the 'dogs are juvenile/fuck fat people' stuff too clearly, but only because even if it's something noticable, I never really want to worry about it. Movies usually only get my disapproval if they're too boring or if it's evident that the creators clearly didn't give a shit.
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1. Toy Story 3
2. Up
3. The Incredibles
4. Wall-E
5.Ratatouille
6. Toy Story
7. Monsters Inc.
8. Toy Story 2
9. Finding Nemo
10. Cars
11. A Bug's LifeI love all Pixars films, though the last four I have trouble getting through during a second play through. Yet, this list isn't finalized and I would have to watch all the movies again in succession in order to fully realize where they stand in my heart.
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I may be hated for this but… I've never been able to fully watch Finding Nemo. I'm just... not interested in the film at all and it bores me. I've seen chunks, including the ending. Sooo... don't think I'll ever bother sitting down and fully watching it.
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Huh!? How . . . . is it possible to be bored watching Finding Nemo!?
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Little kids and their obsession over Finding Nemo ended up ruining the film for me. I'm pretty sure if I watched it now, years later I'd enjoy it a lot more.
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Little kids and their obsession over Finding Nemo ended up ruining the film for me. I'm pretty sure if I watched it now, years later I'd enjoy it a lot more.
I still LIKE it, but students at my old middle and high school constantly forcing the class to watch Finding Nemo when we're able to watch a movie due to popular vote probably made me get tired of this movie a bit.
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None of that… I just didn't care for the concept.
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It's not that hard to avoid. I've been doing it ever since Finding Nemo
Hard to avoid ads when there's that much media saturation.
well it's not that interesting for one
compared to TS3 where you had dozens of characters and supporting characters, different scenes, etc. even wall-e and m-o had more personality and communication with their limited vocabulary than did Kevin, who was more bird than actual character
That has more to do with Kevin being a feathered McGuffin than anything else; she was just a reason for the villain to get pissed off at Carl and Russell rather than an actual character. Fleshing her out much more than they did just wasn't worth the effort.
UP was ultimately a really neat premise for a short film that they stretched to a feature. Somebody mentioned Fantasia the other day, but a Fun and Fancy Free style package film would be a good fit for Pixar. Imagine the Wall-E on Earth sequence and UP through the house taking off as two short films packaged together.
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@RobbyBevard:
1)Ratatouille (the artist mindset and the romance and the music)
Hell yeah! I never thought i'd find someone else who loved that Pixar film most of all. Pretty much for the same reasons, too.
as much as i'd like Pixar to churn out TRIPLETS OF BELLVILLE type things, Pixar is first and foremost a childrens animation studio. talking animals and goofy villains are their bread and butter :3
Haha, love that film. I like what they're doing now, but i'd definitely like to see them branch out.
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I honestly don't get why so many people put Toy story 3 so high on their list. I know the ending sequence was great, but the rest didn't exactly break any boundaries.
How can any of you rate it above Finding nemo, Monsters inc & the incredibles?
All three of those films were unique in a million and one ways.
Edit: lets not forget Up.
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I may be hated for this but… I've never been able to fully watch Finding Nemo. I'm just... not interested in the film at all and it bores me. I've seen chunks, including the ending. Sooo... don't think I'll ever bother sitting down and fully watching it.
Your not too far from my feelings on that. I've seen it a few times and my girlfriend absolutely adores it but it just has no affect on me at all.
Could not get into The Incredibles either. Lets keep the flaming at bay - were all entitled to our own opinions here but to me The Incredibles is the worst of the entire Pixar catalogue.
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Just re-watched Wall-E. Was I the only one slightly creeped out by the music and theme of the first half? Has the whole Fallout vibe (same music too.) which was pretty awesome.
I loved bits of the Space Station scene but I kinda felt some of it was too forced (like them having to come up with a situation for Auto instead of just having it so it didn't want to be neglected once returning to earth.)
Cars 2 looks pretty naff. I personally didn't care for Mater much in the first one. And it's a Spy movie >.< Here's hoping they manage to make it good. And not anything like Get Smart. Although aside from Incredibles. Pixar haven't really disappointed yet. So I'll keep my hopes up.
As for top films this is pretty much mine:
1.) Toy Story 3
2.) Toy Story 1
3.) UP
4.) Toy Story 2
5.) Wall - E
6.) Rattatoie
7.) Cars
8.) IncrediblesNemo, Monsters and Bugs Life I really need to rewatch.
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Could not get into The Incredibles either. Lets keep the flaming at bay - were all entitled to our own opinions here but to me The Incredibles is the worst of the entire Pixar catalogue.
Although aside from Incredibles. Pixar haven't really disappointed yet. S
I can get it not being your thing or not being the top of a list… but for Incredibles to be considered their worst or downright bad?
Pixar must be doing something incredibly right to allow that kind of range of opinion.
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I love the Incredibles.
I don't love Toy Story 2.
Now we are even.
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Incredibles is awesome. It's like my third or fourth favorite movie next to Monsters Inc, Wall-E and Up. The way Pixar brought down superdom to such a human level you could relate with. Such great world building too.
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incredibles rules
brad bird characters rule
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The Incredibles' blueprints for its characters were generic archetypes of the common American family image at the time (hyperactive son, shut-in shy daughter, et al), but it was a case of grand execution and excellent voice acting that brought them all to life. Mr. Incredible was just such a good, good, good performance and I feel awful for not knowing the actor's name off the top of my head.
I think it's also a really good example of a children's film that SERIOUSLY has family appeal. Sometimes people use "family appeal" to refer to just mutually exclusive kids jokes and adult jokes. But Incredibles did a great job of having an actually broad image.
Fun movie, engrossing at times too and I liked its tone and how it kept a lot of "this is a very serious situation" looming overhead throughout most of it.
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I honestly don't get why so many people put Toy story 3 so high on their list. I know the ending sequence was great, but the rest didn't exactly break any boundaries.
I can understand people liking it for the ending alone. I think it's reasonable to put all three TS movies really close to one another, but I can't see why someone would put TS2 at the bottom of their list, while TS and TS3 at the top.
@Thousand:
The way Pixar brought down superdom to such a human level you could relate with.
That was something I really liked about it at first, but when I got into following baseball (whose writers love to do the same thing) it didn't feel quite as special as when watching that.
I guess what Bird does is take a dish and style it up a lot, to give a good dining experience even if it's the same kind of dish that could be found at other restaurants.
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Can I just think that Toy Story 3's entirety was good?
Ken Doll was my favorite character and I liked the day care.
I think all of Toy Story is basically on equal footing. It's the most consistent film trilogy I can think of.
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Rating Pixar's productions is tough, as everyone of them is quite good. The only one I personally never enjoyed was Toy Story 2. It felt just like almost every Disney movie sequel - forced and made only for profit. Haven't seen it for years, though, so it could feel slightly different today.
1. Ratatouille
2. Finding Nemo
3. Monsters INC.
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4. Toy Story (Has the best music)
5. Incredibles
6. A Bug's life7. Toy Story 2
The lines indicate a jump in quality. The first three movies are all masterpieces, which have had a strong influence on me. They are the ones that made me laugh, cry, be scared, etcetera.. The next three are mid-tier. Good movies without a doubt, but not so enthralling that I would think of rewatching them, had I nothing else to do. The last one was, in my opinion, the only bad, or mediocre, movie Pixar has ever made. I just didn't like it.
I haven't seen Up, Wall-e, Cars nor Toy Story 3, so I couldn't place them anywhere. One should probably consider spending some time watching them.
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@Holy:
Can I just think that Toy Story 3's entirety was good?
Ken Doll was my favorite character and I liked the day care.
I think all of Toy Story is basically on equal footing. It's the most consistent film trilogy I can think of.
Pretty much.
The only major difference worth mentioning is the secondary characters. Most of them just annoyed me, whilst other surpassed my expectations.
e.g. spanish buzz.
At least Woody has remained pretty consistant with his attitiude throughout.
Side note: why the hell is bugs life even being mentioned, let alone rated above movies of legendary status?
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That was something I really liked about it at first, but when I got into following baseball (whose writers love to do the same thing) it didn't feel quite as special as when watching that.
First you hate Iron Giant for being like a 50's monster movie… then Incredibles for being like baseball? Do you dislike Ratatouille for being too similar to Star Wars?
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Possibly because 'A Bugs Life' is surprisingly a Pixar film. And people are ranking Pixar films.
I'll certainly be buying it on Blu-Ray when its out in a week or two and seeing how it goes. I do remember it being somewhat good when I saw it last….about 10+ years ago.
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It had a sufficient plot, a few good characters, good animation and mediocre music. It's not a particularly amazing Pixar movie, but overall a good film. Its ending was too cliché, but that is pretty much all there is against it.
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For me.
Personal Favorite Tier:
1. Incredibles
2. Monster's Inc
3. UPDamn Good Movies Tier:
4. Wall - E
5. Toy Story 2
6. Bug's Life
7. Toy StoryLiked It, But Not As Much As Everyone Else Tier:
8. RatatouilleRuined By Everyone Tier:
9. Finding NemoNot A Fan Tier:
10. CarsI haven't seen Toy Story 3 yet.
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@RobbyBevard:
First you hate Iron Giant for being like a 50's monster movie… then Incredibles for being like baseball? Do you dislike Ratatouille for being too similar to Star Wars?
How do you get superhero = baseball.
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@Cyan:
How do you get superhero = baseball.
Well, obviously the Incredibles family represents the batter and Syndrome represents the opposing team.
Mr. Incredible represents the strength needed to hit the ball as hard as you can. Dash represents the speed needed to run to each base. Elastigirl represents the flexibility needed to change directions at each base. And Violet represents the "shield" and "invisibility" you need to not get tagged out by the opposing team (Syndrome).
…......seriously, wtf?
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Complicating things since 2009.
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This is by far one of the best animation shorts ive seen in years. Every character was just perfect beyond belief. Not to mention the simple yet great story.
I honestly can't fault it.
Side note: How many weapons did they give that boy? I counted 10.
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There was a hell of a lot of talent working on that short.
Spielberg produced it, Tim Burton did the character designs, Bird wrote, directed, and voiced the dog. The Dad is Stan Freberg, The Mom is Annie Potts, and, of course, Little Billy is played by Scott Menville. Looking at the list of animators, there's at least four of them with feature film director credits and a couple more with television credits.
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@RobbyBevard:
First you hate Iron Giant for being like a 50's monster movie… then Incredibles for being like baseball? Do you dislike Ratatouille for being too similar to Star Wars?
Let me put it this way.
When I first saw Iron Giant, my impression of Bird was he was an Akira Toriyama.
Now I know him to be an Eiichiro Oda.
Of sorts.
I like what he does, but the truth that he didn't invent the conventions he so proudly marched in his movies has hampered my enjoyment of them, and lowered my opinion of the people who take a blind-eye to it.
It probably wouldn't be the case if I knew Iron Giant was a homage in the first place, but if that was the case I don't think it would have been as spell-binding to me when I first saw it.
Kind of appropriate coincidence a baseball analogy was worked into this, 'cause we could always bring up the steroids scandals…
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I like what he does, but the truth that he didn't invent the conventions he so proudly marched in his movies has hampered my enjoyment of them, and lowered my opinion of the people who take a blind-eye to it.
Sorry if the man didn't INVENT giant monsters or superheroes and that somehow takes away from it for you.
Kind of appropriate coincidence a baseball analogy was worked into this,
That's not a coincidence at all! YOU brought up the baseball analogy! And you still didn't explain it!
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@RobbyBevard:
That's not a coincidence at all! YOU brought up the baseball analogy! And you still didn't explain it!
Man, you're expecting logic out of somebody who just said that Oda is less inventive than Akira Toriyama because he… hell, I don't know. Hasn't created a completely new genre to replace the one Toriyama didn't create either? Didn't base his most successful series on Journey Into the West?
At this point, it's best to think of Terek's posts as an exercise in Dadaism and move on.
Complicating things since 2009.
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What the fuck does "inventing" even mean in storytelling?
Did the producers of King Kong invent giant monsters?
Did J.R.R. Tolkien invent fantasy?
Did Stephen King invent horror?
Did Stan Lee invent superheroes?
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Went to a pixar presentation at Tx A&M about TS3
Talked to a TD who is working on The Brave. He couldn't talk about it though
oh how I wanted to hop into his brain and read his thoughts
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Re-watching Toy Story. It's still amazing but looks kinda out-dated graphically compared to the new one, which is even more noticeable on the Blu-Ray. Still so many scenes I love and can appreciate a lot more on here tho.
The Reg on the number plate on Andy Mom's car is A113. Which is the same code as the one for Auto in Wall-E XD
I love all of the little easter eggs
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Rating Pixar's productions is tough, as everyone of them is quite good.
Yeah, same here. I think Toy Story 3 would have to be my favourite, whereas Cars and A Bug's Life were their weakest efforts, (not bad by any means, just not as great as their other stuff) but all the other ones in between? No idea. They were all great.
