@RobbyBevard:
So tell me then, what did the villagers throw at Aisa?
BTW…. that was Konisu/Conis in Skypiea and later Robin in her flashback. Both censored from rock to tomato.
@RobbyBevard:
So tell me then, what did the villagers throw at Aisa?
BTW…. that was Konisu/Conis in Skypiea and later Robin in her flashback. Both censored from rock to tomato.
@RobbyBevard:
Because it entirely changes the intent of the thrower, and the pain of the person being hit by it. Both are rude, but one is decidely meaner and more dangerous than the other. But really that specific example isn't significant at all, it just highlights the difference in tone and storytelling, and the occassional censorship and changes to the story the anime does all the time.
And its more common and subtle than bringing up Luffy's scar, Zeff's leg, Zoro cutting steel, terrible fillers, bad pacing, or the missing (but important to the actual plot) cover stories.
There's a lot of big stuff that gets dropped or changed. But there's a lot of little stuff too.
Its kind of like bat nipples, midiclorians and fridge nuking. A shorthand single example standing for the problems of greater whole.
Oh, that? I just thought with the way you worded things that the rock had some deep symbolical connotation that went over my head. But yeah, tomato throwing is babyish compared to rock throwing and stupid considering they got away with much worse. But I suppose showing children in any negative light outside cute, incorrigible rascals is a no no
I prefer watching the anime on my weekends, not reading the Manga.
Now I am more excited when a new manga chapter comes out rather then a new episode. That is mainly because I dislike the war and I enjoy the trip to Fishman Island.
BTW…. that was Konisu/Conis in Skypiea and later Robin in her flashback. Both censored from rock to tomato.
Oh yeah, your absolutely right. I mixed that up and have no idea why other than they're both in Skypeia and Conis has a lot of the same letters as Aisa.
Point still stands though.
I know this thread is kinda dead and I don't want to troll or anything but I just saw the enies lobby arc and u guys were all wrong I thought the pacing was fine…..................
I know this thread is kinda dead and I don't want to troll or anything but I just saw the enies lobby arc and u guys were all wrong I thought the pacing was fine…..................
Wait wat, u think its bad or good ?
Wait wat, u think its bad or good ?
I think the pacing's great i came to this thread a little while ago when I was on the Davy Back Fight, and I kept on saying that the pacing didn't look so bad yet everyone kept on saying how the pacing in the Enies Lobby arc sucked yet I thought it was the greatest arc yet.
I think the pacing's great i came to this thread a little while ago when I was on the Davy Back Fight, and I kept on saying that the pacing didn't look so bad yet everyone kept on saying how the pacing in the Enies Lobby arc sucked yet I thought it was the greatest arc yet.
Well yeah. I liked the pacing in Enies lobby too :D
I thought of the tamato thing as a joke as it's commonly used in "BOOOOOO!! Get off the stage" gags. I could not take both those throwing scenes seriously.
I think the pacing's great i came to this thread a little while ago when I was on the Davy Back Fight, and I kept on saying that the pacing didn't look so bad yet everyone kept on saying how the pacing in the Enies Lobby arc sucked yet I thought it was the greatest arc yet.
What .
Good pacing in EL?
Err no.
It's not even just that I have a problem with.
Enies Lobby was, without a doubt, the worst arc in One Piece thus far. So when one says the pacing was good, and it's the greatest arc yet, I feel like I'm having an anneurysm.
The problem is that even the manga arc had some bad pacing issues. With that the anime team was already doomed to begin with.
You guys know what?
I think I might stop reading the manga.
Yes you heard me right. Stop reading it.
All of the time, when people are talking about the anime pacing, they bring up episodes or arcs that in my opinion were great, back when I didn't read the manga yet.
But now that I DO read it, I'm only minding the differences between manga and anime. That, combined with the fact that I now only have 1 episode in a week to enjoy, makes it slow. Which of course ruins everything.
I'm gonna test it out for a while. It may not be the anime that screws everything up for me, but the noticable diffences with what i have read before.
You guys know what?
I think I might stop reading the manga.Yes you heard me right. Stop reading it.
All of the time, when people are talking about the anime pacing, they bring up episodes or arcs that in my opinion were great, back when I didn't read the manga yet.
But now that I DO read it, I'm only minding the differences between manga and anime. That, combined with the fact that I now only have 1 episode in a week to enjoy, makes it slow. Which of course ruins everything.I'm gonna test it out for a while. It may not be the anime that screws everything up for me, but the noticable diffences with what i have read before.
You were fucked anyway for caring about the anime experience to begin with and valuing the manga less which is flabbergasting, and apparently not caring about the manga at all since you're not even gonna read it, all to cradle your precious sideshow adaptation.
I'd say don't let the door hit you on the way out but you were never actually inside, so stop talking through the damn window or I'll pull the curtain down.
@JERK:
You were fucked anyway for caring about the anime experience to begin with and valuing the manga less which is flabbergasting, and apparently not caring about the manga at all since you're not even gonna read it, all to cradle your precious sideshow adaptation.
I'd say don't let the door hit you on the way out but you were never actually inside, so stop talking through the damn window or I'll pull the curtain down.
in the beginning i didnt even know one piece had a manga.
i started watching it before knowing ANYTHING.
and the friends that made me watch it had never read the manga too.
so how the fuck do you suppose that i was gonna read the manga?
i know that the manga is better at some points, but id like to see it animated, and if reading the manga screws up the anime for me, id rather be anime-only than manga-only.
And it's really funny to see guys like you overreacting when someone says even one thing that can slightly refer to not liking the manga.
i know that the manga is better at some points,
Like all of them.
but id like to see it animated, and if reading the manga screws up the anime for me,
this makes no sense.
id rather be anime-only than manga-only.
Fine. Do you know how Django and Fullbody met? Or did their sudden team up as marines at the end of Alabasta just catch you by complete surprise?
And it's really funny to see guys like you overreacting when someone says even one thing that can slightly refer to not liking the manga.
Because that stance makes no sense and is dumb.
I think we will get some fillers after the war.
Maybe you need to be thrown at with both a rock and a tomato to understand?
Well this thread has already been bumped but i would rather be hit by rocks than tomatos.
because you have to clean or change your cloths when hit by tomatos and they leave red marks on your cloths.
The rocks would only be bad if they got me in the eye but so would the tomatos lol.
I'd rather be stoned than tomatoed.
There's a reason why anime-only people are constantly mocked in this forum you know? Because they don't know shit. The anime is good to watch when you want to see certain fights animated and that's it. It should in no way ever substitute for the manga. After all you obviously admit that the manga is better in every way so I don't know why you even bother that much with the anime for the mediocre quality it displays overall.
Anyway welcome to the fabulous world of anime-only enjoy your ride with many hours of pointless filler and Buggy the Clown.
true, but the anime has more emotion.
I bet that the Going Merry's funeral wasn't half as good or sad as in the anime.
And I didn't mean it. I'm not gonna stop reading the manga. It looks way better now, and you can choose your own pacing.
and I realized that the chapters that are out now are not gonna be animated anytime soon so by the time they will be animated ill already have forgotten half of it…
But as you guys do not seem to understand that there are people with different opinions than you, i'm putting a stop to this pointless arguing right now.
Don't even bother to respond, i won't read it anyway.
true, but the anime has more emotion.
I bet by emotion you mean that crazy voice actor of Usopp's going 'Kayuuyuyakkkkkkkkkkkkk ahhhhh" for half a minute.
The anime can be good sometimes (for example, I think the G8 arc was better in the anime than in the manga:ninja:), but when they place a horribly stupid filler right in the middle of a serious episode it's not good.
Watching just the anime isn't that good in my opinion because Toei can change many things and the pacing can be pretty bad.
That's just my opinion though.
true, but the anime has more emotion.
Only for simpletons who are so completely stunted in their reading that they require movement, color, and sound to feel anything.
You're borderline illiterate. I mean we're not even talking about books, we're talking comics.
I bet that the Going Merry's funeral wasn't half as good or sad as in the anime.
That's because you're illiterate.
But as you guys do not seem to understand that there are people with different opinions than you, i'm putting a stop to this pointless arguing right now.
Don't even bother to respond, i won't read it anyway.
Good, then we get the last word.
And also I don't give a damn about your sob story about being introduced to the anime soley, I've been there with Dragonball and you don't see me clutching to the awful Funi dub from ten or so years ago just because it got me first.
I think we will get some fillers after the war.
Well this thread has already been bumped but i would rather be hit by rocks than tomatos.
because you have to clean or change your cloths when hit by tomatos and they leave red marks on your cloths.The rocks would only be bad if they got me in the eye but so would the tomatos lol.
No actually a rock would cause you to be injured or at least bleed.
Shush, JERK. Let him believe that rocks won't hurt him.
!
Well I thought the pacing was fine yet if it was bad in the manga then whoop di doo cuz I didn't read it. Anyway, for all you people that say that the anime sucks and that the manga wasten times better or whatever its because u already saw it, and now you are seeing it in a different way in animation. You read One Piece panel by panel and so you then see the anime and yes it will look like it sucks. Its the same thing with most movies made from books and i know what im talking about because I read other mangas then watch the anime and to me it looks like it sucks compared to the manga. Yes, I would think that the anime sucks if I read OP, but I don't thus it looks fine to me.
Shush, JERK. Let him believe that rocks won't hurt him.
Sticks and stones may break my bones.
I'd rather be hit by tomatoes
I'd rather be stoned.
Well I thought the pacing was fine yet if it was bad in the manga then whoop di doo cuz I didn't read it.
Are you some reverse Flash in that you have superpowers of having the entire real world go insanely faster then you so you need unspeakably slow moving godawful pacing to be able to enjoy the show like a normal person.
Because that's really the only excuse for feeling how you do.
Anyway, for all you people that say that the anime sucks and that the manga wasten times better or whatever its because u already saw it,
No it's because it's fillerless, has mostly fine pacing, better visuals, uncensored aspects, and oh yeah, because it's the actual original vision of what One Piece is supposed to be as made by the author and creator from who which nothing One Piece related would exist including your beloved cheap adaptation.
Also bullshit. I saw and loved the DBZ anime years before I found the manga. And because I had taste and good sense even at the age of 13 or whenever I immediatly noticed how much better the original was in virtually every single way.
Considering I got into One Piece a few years later I'm pretty fucking skeptical that it would be a randomly different scenario for no goddamn reason had I stumbled on the anime first rather then the comic.
You read One Piece panel by panel and so you then see the anime and yes it will look like it sucks. Its the same thing with most movies made from books and i know what im talking about because I read other mangas then watch the anime and to me it looks like it sucks compared to the manga.
That's probably because it does!
Yes, I would think that the anime sucks if I read OP, but I don't thus it looks fine to me.
So you admit that there's a superior version, and for some dumb reason I'm going to assign to being either lazy or at this point willfully contrarian, you don't follow that version.
The anime only people are going to be really confused when Enel shows up again with his army of moon robots and provides an essential piece of the overall plot of the entire series .
I used to watch the Anime religiously every week. Then a few years back I suddenly just didn't give a fuck about it any more. I think it was around the 'Ice Hunter Arc.' I watched for a lot of Thriller Bark though.
Now I just stick with the manga.
@JERK:
Are you some reverse Flash in that you have superpowers of having the entire real world go insanely faster then you so you need unspeakably slow moving godawful pacing to be able to enjoy the show like a normal person.
Because that's really the only excuse for feeling how you do.
No it's because it's fillerless, has mostly fine pacing, better visuals, uncensored aspects, and oh yeah, because it's the actual original vision of what One Piece is supposed to be as made by the author and creator from who which nothing One Piece related would exist including your beloved cheap adaptation.
Also bullshit. I saw and loved the DBZ anime years before I found the manga. And because I had taste and good sense even at the age of 13 or whenever I immediatly noticed how much better the original was in virtually every single way.
Considering I got into One Piece a few years later I'm pretty fucking skeptical that it would be a randomly different scenario for no goddamn reason had I stumbled on the anime first rather then the comic.
That's probably because it does!
So you admit that there's a superior version, and for some dumb reason I'm going to assign to being either lazy or at this point willfully contrarian, you don't follow that version.
Well then what's the point in having an anime adaption anyway. U know a manga with over 600 episodes is bound to have a few episodes with "poor quality". It seems that by reading your post u believe that one piece isn't made for an anime adaption.
@RobbyBevard:
The anime only people are going to be really confused when Enel shows up again with his army of moon robots and provides an essential piece of the overall plot of the entire series .
Yea u r right about that but they will probably do some episodes like they did with coby and helmeppo and buggy, but ur right i guess they should have done it a long time ago.
@JERK:
Are you some reverse Flash in that you have superpowers of having the entire real world go insanely faster then you so you need unspeakably slow moving godawful pacing to be able to enjoy the show like a normal person.
Because that's really the only excuse for feeling how you do.
No it's because it's fillerless, has mostly fine pacing, better visuals, uncensored aspects, and oh yeah, because it's the actual original vision of what One Piece is supposed to be as made by the author and creator from who which nothing One Piece related would exist including your beloved cheap adaptation.
Also bullshit. I saw and loved the DBZ anime years before I found the manga. And because I had taste and good sense even at the age of 13 or whenever I immediatly noticed how much better the original was in virtually every single way.
Considering I got into One Piece a few years later I'm pretty fucking skeptical that it would be a randomly different scenario for no goddamn reason had I stumbled on the anime first rather then the comic.
That's probably because it does!
So you admit that there's a superior version, and for some dumb reason I'm going to assign to being either lazy or at this point willfully contrarian, you don't follow that version.
also in case u didn't know Im on the Thriller Bark arc so I was talking about the EL arc, not the marineford arc which i keep hearing from everyone that that arc was butched.
Butched doesn't even begin to describe it. Although the random Sakazuki hairfixing was unintentionally hilarious. The rest was mostly shit not only art-wise but the Buggy filler was barely bearable during that arc. I get that they need to stall the anime because they don't do arc breaks but the aftermath of the war would be a lot more conceivable rather than sacrificing the action for unfitting comedy.
Well then what's the point in having an anime adaption anyway.
Money.
U know a manga with over 600 episodes is bound to have a few episodes with "poor quality". It seems that by reading your post u believe that one piece isn't made for an anime adaption.
Anime adaptions of long running weekly serials are almost without exception cheap quick and dirty.
lol, what? Do you think this has any real values of something like an OVA or more paced out adaptation like FMA's?
Overall I thought that the Anime, while having some hiccups (Buggy will never be the same for me), has done a pretty good job in pacing during this arc. As great as Marineford was people forget that the pacing in the Manga was not all that great. What made the arc so good is all the big shit that happened during it, something that doesn't seem as good in the Anime because Manga readers already know whats gonna happen.
The average Marineford chapter was a bunch of panned fighting, Ace/Luffy yelling/crying and only at the end did something epic and plot-advancing happen (usually involving Whitebeard and/or Akainu). So with that in mind, the Anime did a good job with the content they were given. Could the horrible Buggy-filler have been cut down, sure but hey no arcs perfect.
The pacing in the manga is absolutely fine. Try reading it as one and not a week by week basis.
The average Marineford chapter was a bunch of panned fighting, Ace/Luffy yelling/crying and only at the end did something epic and plot-advancing happen.
Oh and also reread it so you know what the hell actually went on during it.
@JERK:
The pacing in the manga is absolutely fine. Try reading it as one and not a week by week basis.
Try watching the entire arc in one sitting and the pacing in the Anime would improve a lot too.
@JERK:
Oh and also reread it so you know what the hell actually went on during it.
The average Marinford arc chapter was about 16 pages and usually had 2-4 2-page spreads in them. That combined with random panels of fighting leaves for very little time for actual plot development. Now don't get me wrong I loved Marineford and is up there as one of the best arcs in One Piece all-time but not because of its amazing pacing.
"You only think the anime sucks because you read the better version." …?
Try watching the entire arc in one sitting and the pacing in the Anime would improve a lot too.
No it wouldn't. Because the pacing issues in the anime are actual pacing issues and not your foggy flawed memory of how long each chapter took to come out. In fact tell me so far how long the anime has taken to show the war hotshot, count up all them minutes.
The average Marinford arc chapter was about 16 pages and usually had 2-4 2-page spreads in them.
My, how lengthy.
See, what you just did was slip up your chess son.
You moved your Rook to make a point, but lo, for that Rook was protecting a Knight who was in the line of sight of my own Rook.
Let me put it simply.
If you're trying to make a point that the manga had bad pacing you don't fucking point out how it had a bunch of spreads and far shorter chapters then usual.
So you just killed one of your own points, congrats I guess, now for what end? To try and tell me …..that not much happened in the war? It doesn't even prove that! Oi! No debating for you!
That combined with random panels of fighting leaves for very little time for actual plot development.
Ah, wonderful, yes, another one of the miraculous sudden memory loss critics, like all the idiots who randomly turned on normal One Piece procedure during Impel Down.
Name one thing in the Marineford arc different in terms of story structure then every single other extended action sequence part in the series.
All two and half volumes that threw antagonists together and developed an end from that conflict with various twists and turns to the tides.
How is this different from Alabasta. Skypiea. Enies Lobby. Thriller Barque.
I started out watching the anime only. I was introduced late in the game by a friend who gave me all the fansubs up to that point for me to watch, so I had a lot to catch up on. When I did catch up to the anime around Sabaody, I decided to read ahead in the manga.
Now I'm reading the manga from the beginning, and it's quite interesting to see what has changed/been left out from it. Even things like how Luffy got his eye scar have been inexplicably left out of the anime.
I still like the anime, when I want to just chill and let colour, music and movement dazzle me. However, every thing that has been changed from the manga to the anime, has been for the worse. In every case, Oda's original vision wins out over Toei's alterations, time after time. No God-awful filler with Buggy or Foxy is bonus.
I'm looking forward to reading up about Enel's adventures on the moon, havign heard that this missing bit of awesome is in the manga.
I started out watching the anime only. I was introduced late in the game by a friend who gave me all the fansubs up to that point for me to watch, so I had a lot to catch up on. When I did catch up to the anime around Sabaody, I decided to read ahead in the manga.
Now I'm reading the manga from the beginning, and it's quite interesting to see what has changed/been left out from it. Even things like how Luffy got his eye scar have been inexplicably left out of the anime.
I still like the anime, when I want to just chill and let colour, music and movement dazzle me. However, every thing that has been changed from the manga to the anime, has been for the worse. In every case, Oda's original vision wins out over Toei's alterations, time after time. No God-awful filler with Buggy or Foxy is bonus.
I'm looking forward to reading up about Enel's adventures on the moon, havign heard that this missing bit of awesome is in the manga.
Sounds just like my Dragonball experience.
Ah…to be young again.
@JERK:
Name one thing in the Marineford arc different in terms of story structure then every single other extended action sequence part in the series.
All two and half volumes that threw antagonists together and developed an end from that conflict with various twists and turns to the tides.How is this different from Alabasta. Skypiea. Enies Lobby. Thriller Barque.
Once again, I'm not hating on Marineford but yes, it is very different from any arc before it. In Alabasta, Skypiea, Water 7, Thriller Bark…All of those arcs began with the SH crew visiting a new island looking for adventure. They quickly find a native in trouble and discover the conflict and the eventual antagonist. Luffy and the crew step up and fight against the enemy to protect either themselves or people they meet on the island.
Marineford was nothing like this. It was chaotic and shit was going crazy. Which is what a war should be. However everything before Ace was rescued seemed to happen very slowly. This is probably because we saw a lot of fights that didn't go anywhere and fodder running around doing stuff no one cared about at the time.
Because it was a War these things were necessary to show the chaos of everything. However necessary or not it was not the greatest pacing. Looking back, the majority of the things that happened before Ace was rescued didn't matter, something Oda usually didn't do with any arc before this one.
Good pacing in EL?
Err no.
I rewatched EL semi-recently and found something.
Skip the fucking Seven minute recaps completely, and what you have left is actually pretty well paced.
Once again, I'm not hating on Marineford but yes, it is very different from any arc before it.
And here I come in to say "no".
And I said "structurally" for a reason.
In Alabasta, Skypiea, Water 7, Thriller Bark…All of those arcs began with the SH crew visiting a new island looking for adventure.
Wait what? No dingus, I said action sequences. Take the final action sequences of those arcs. The crew has nothing to do with a damn thing.
Alabasta: Most of Vol. 20, 21, 22, and the first third of 23.
Skypiea: 28, 29, 30, last third of 31, first bit of 32
Enies Lobby: 39, 40, end of 41, 42, 43, 44
Thriller Barque: 48, 49, start of 50
Marineford: 57, 58, half of 59
And actually no, they didn't explore Enies Lobby. Interesting though that you should act like you can count Water7 there, but somehow don't get that Shabondy, Amazon Lilly, and Impel Down were the explorations that preceded the final fight of Marineford.
Because it's the exact same damn relation those have as Water7 and Enies Lobby have.
They quickly find a native in trouble and discover the conflict and the eventual antagonist. Luffy and the crew step up and fight against the enemy to protect either themselves or people they meet on the island.
Hatchi, Cammy, Boa, Margaret, Ace, Jimbei, Buggy, various prisoners and newkamas.
This storyline has a fuck ton of people Luffy's helped or tried to.
Marineford was nothing like this. It was chaotic and shit was going crazy. Which is what a war should be.
Just like the final fights in Alabasta, Skypiea, Thriller Barque, and the whole Enies Lobby arc.
Stop pretending Marineford exists in a vacuum.
However everything before Ace was rescued seemed to happen very slowly.
It goes by in the blink of an eye. EXACTLY why I told you you needed to read it for real and not just rely on your week by week.
This is probably because we saw a lot of fights that didn't go anywhere and fodder running around doing stuff no one cared about at the time.
The fights that didn't go anywhere always added a little something or played into the central process of Luffy making his way to the stand.
And there were no fodder issues.
Because it was a War these things were necessary to show the chaos of everything. However necessary or not it was not the greatest pacing. Looking back, the majority of the things that happened before Ace was rescued didn't matter, something Oda usually didn't do with any arc before this one.
Don't fucking do this. There's nothing I hate more then going through a big discussion and the person just restates the same crap they did at the start.
It shows you haven't listened at all.
I mean you are literally not listening. You ignored important words I said like "final fight" which has EVERYTHING to do with what I'm saying. You didn't address that whatsoever. Now do it this time.
I rewatched EL semi-recently and found something.
Skip the fucking Seven minute recaps completely, and what you have left is actually pretty well paced.
The problem is why are such recaps there in the first place? Certainly not because they think we forgot everything from last week. It's pointless filler no matter how you look at it. If I skip it I will just think ''why didn't they add 7 minutes of canon material instead?''
The problem is why are such recaps there in the first place?'…
...If I skip it I will just think ''why didn't they add 7 minutes of canon material instead?''
You can't just ADD canon material! There either is canon material in the manga and you turn it into anime or there is none. Everything else is filler no matter if its mega recap or Buggys daily adventures. In case of Enies Lobby around 15 minutes of anime was the amount of canon material for an anime that you could get from manga each week. And you got your reason right there.
Well I thought the pacing was fine yet if it was bad in the manga then whoop di doo cuz I didn't read it. Anyway, for all you people that say that the anime sucks and that the manga wasten times better or whatever its because u already saw it, and now you are seeing it in a different way in animation. You read One Piece panel by panel and so you then see the anime and yes it will look like it sucks. Its the same thing with most movies made from books and i know what im talking about because I read other mangas then watch the anime and to me it looks like it sucks compared to the manga. Yes, I would think that the anime sucks if I read OP, but I don't thus it looks fine to me.
I was introduced to the anime first and even I would say the manga is a lot better.
@JERK:
The pacing in the manga is absolutely fine. Try reading it as one and not a week by week basis.
Oh and also reread it so you know what the hell actually went on during it.
U see when u WATCH the entire arc then it will have the same outcome.