Come on now, it did at least have nosesword.
the furore that caused was worth the price of admission on its own.
Come on now, it did at least have nosesword.
the furore that caused was worth the price of admission on its own.
Water7=adventure
Enies Lobby=action
OP=action-adventure
I don't understand the Enies Lobby hate. That was an awesome arc. It wasn't flawless, but it doesn't any hatred. If you wanna hate on an arc hate on Thriller Bark for it's rushed ending and all of it's unfulfulled promises.
I don't understand the Enies Lobby hate. That was an awesome arc. It wasn't flawless, but it doesn't any hatred. If you wanna hate on an arc hate on Thriller Bark for it's rushed ending and all of it's unfulfulled promises.
i agree Thriller Bark wasnt as good as the other arcs
it depicted a mediocre warlord and a Luffy who i didnt enjoy much
What brought about the infamy of Ennis Lobby is that it emphasised the action component more than others - which got us a new wave of fans who saw One Piece just for that.
And Thriller Bark owns hard.
everyone was just too weak there
just kuma's arrival was interesting
as a concept it was nice
but Oda could have made it better
the 100 shadows inside Luffy wasnt needed
To say the Ennies Lobby arc was simply action is extremely harsh on the arc.
And it's popularity stems more from the Robin scences, than the actual fights.
I liked the thriller bark arc but I can understand why some don't.
Enies Lobby was very important to the story still. and thriller bark was really their first group battle.
There are a bunch of little story elements that bother me about Thriller Bark:
1)All the general zombies taken out by Oars.
2)The Thriller Bark Victim Association not telling Luffy and co. about Moria's powers or the shadows when Spoil asked for help. Makes the shadow Luffy powerup feel more like a DEM.
3)The "two day coma" thing being irrelevant.
But really, every arc has disappointments in it. I personally thought Moria was competent in Thriller Bark.
Enies Lobby was pretty much all fighting though. There are story elements in there and some are really emotional/good, but the bulk of it was just action. And I'm not just talking about vs CP9, but the siege on Enies Lobby too which was more boring than the CP9 fights IMO. And even then, just because it is a fighting arc that doesn't make it a bad arc, but somebody else can do better in explaining their reasonings for that.
3)The "two day coma" thing being irrelevant.
Actually that was important to make TB's operations as a whole make sense.
If normal pirates weren't out of commission for two days, what would stop them from going right back in? And since Moria can't kill them the battle could just go on and on. It had to be made such that pirate crews couldn't re-enter TB because they lost it. That made it possible to explain how TB operated properly when dealing with 'normal' individuals.
The crew, as we know, is anything but normal.
@ultimateclima:
There are a bunch of little story elements that bother me about Thriller Bark:
1)All the general zombies taken out by Oars.
2)The Thriller Bark Victim Association not telling Luffy and co. about Moria's powers or the shadows when Spoil asked for help. Makes the shadow Luffy powerup feel more like a DEM.
3)The "two day coma" thing being irrelevant.But really, every arc has disappointments in it. I personally thought Moria was competent in Thriller Bark.
All valid points
EDIT:(apart from the one that was explained XD)
Enies Lobby was pretty much all fighting though. There are story elements in there and some are really emotional/good, but the bulk of it was just action. And I'm not just talking about vs CP9, but the siege on Enies Lobby too which was more boring than the CP9 fights IMO.
Now this I feel is unfair to it. Note that these are just my opinions on it:
Yes there was a lot of action in the arc but it also had a large amount of main character development in the arc.
We got notable character development for Luffy, Robin, Usopp, Sanji, Franky and Chopper- 6 out of the 8 main characters. No other arc to date has had that much.
As well as that, having the little heroic stories of galley-la, the franky family and the various animals throughout the arc. I felt the emotion behind the all the fighting was just as(if not more)powerful than any other arc, which is the story's best aspect in general IMO.
I take your point that the CP9 members were boring though, because honestly they were with Spandam being a notable exception-I felt he was a brillaint villain.
No love for CP9? Hattori and the chicken rule!! Oh wait… what about Kaku? or Jyabura? It was only for one scene but I love that he has a girlfriend who breaks up with him. Boring in terms of background? Yes. But they had great comedic moments. So I don't think I'd call them boring necessarily.
All valid points
Except for the one I explained.
Except for the one I explained.
Sorry, sorry, that was posted while I was typing my response =p
Honestly, I never fully got the whole ''send the pirates back out to sea'' bit. I mean, I know that Moria didn't want them coming back for payback like the Straw Hats did, but it just seems a little foolhardy to send the pirates back out into a world where they could die easily through exposure to sunlight, resulting in losing a zombie back one Thriller Bark. I guess they were counting on the pirates avoiding sunlight at all costs, but it's still not 100%.
The stuff with Kuma and whatnot towards the end of the arc was nice, but there were definitely moments that could've been handled with more grace. I didn't like how Nightmare Luffy took a Hulk-sized wizz on the efforts of the others during the Oars fight, and how a few of the Straw Hats weren't treated very well characterization-wise, like Sanji's freak-flag waving a little too high and Nami pretty much being reduced to a prize to be fought over.
Actually that was important to make TB's operations as a whole make sense.
The crew, as we know, is anything but normal.
Good point, but it just seemed way too easy for them, but that's the crew. The main thing that bothered me about that was Robin waking up in the middle of the fight because I always wanted to know how she woke up, but that could just be me nitpicking.
Yes there was a lot of action in the arc but it also had a large amount of main character development in the arc.
We got notable character development for Luffy, Robin, Usopp, Sanji, Franky and Chopper- 6 out of the 8 main characters. No other arc to date has had that much.
Chopper just revealed a secret power-up. It wasn't really development. The rest is true, though many seem to argue about how valid Usopp's "development" was.
As well as that, having the little heroic stories of galley-la, the franky family and the various animals throughout the arc. I felt the emotion behind the all the fighting was just as(if not more)powerful than any other arc, which is the story's best aspect in general IMO.
I take your point that the CP9 members were boring though, because honestly they were with Spandam being a notable exception-I felt he was a brillaint villain.
Actually, I thought most of CP9 was fine. And the development of the side characters were good too, but it felt like Oda tried to flesh out all of them which slowed down the story and then I just kinda stopped caring. Then again, when I last reread that part it was when I was trying to reread the story all at once so maybe I was just tired of reading by then.
If anybody was boring, it was those guards/units that were in the siege like the wolf pack and cannonball dudes.
It's good to hear reasoning to love the CP9 fight besides "fight X was awesome" though.
Honestly, I never fully got the whole ''send the pirates back out to sea'' bit. I mean, I know that Moria didn't want them coming back for payback like the Straw Hats did, but it just seems a little foolhardy to send the pirates back out into a world where they could die easily through exposure to sunlight, resulting in losing a zombie back one Thriller Bark. I guess they were counting on the pirates avoiding sunlight at all costs, but it's still not 100%.
Doubting the self preservation instinct of a pirate? bad bet.
Enies Lobby was very important to the story still. and thriller bark was really their first group battle.
i looked at ur first sig and all i saw was naruto chap 513 where naruto stares at a penis. IN other new thriller bark was amazing. Surprisingly the only arc i hated more than alabasta was skypiea :S
Thriller Bark brought Brook…
Also most of this stuff should be in the most disappointing things in one piece thread. Go whine about it there
I liked thriller bark. Although... Moria was to weak, I thought. But the parts with Kuma were frickin awesome
…Err...cough Nice chapter, lol. :P
Can't wait to see how Luffy confronts his more big-boned counterpart...:o
Good point, but it just seemed way too easy for them, but that's the crew. The main thing that bothered me about that was Robin waking up in the middle of the fight because I always wanted to know how she woke up, but that could just be me nitpicking.
Someone whispered, "Is that a Rio Poneglyph in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"
Re: Chapter
Am I the only one that doesn't give a SHIT about this fake crew and all of its members? I know exactly what Oda's doing here but it's boring as shit as far as 'story' goes. From the moment we saw them we knew they'd be destroyed with extreme prejudice and it's a pain waiting for him to get on with it.
@ultimateclima:
Chopper just revealed a secret power-up. It wasn't really development. The rest is true, though many seem to argue about how valid Usopp's "development" was.
We had already gotten a lot of Chopper's backstory, admittedly, but the fact that he had once turned into a monster and RAMPAGED THE TOWN HE GREW UP IN seems like a pretty big deal. Overcoming his fear of hurting friends seems like a decent bit of development.
I mean, come on, this was quite likely the main reason that Chopper never again tried to interact with the humans. We knew about how they treated him before, but if Doctorine could convince him that not all humans were bad, if during his studies, he hadn't caused such an incident, he may have at least given warming up to them another chance (with Doctorine by his side as a guardian, of course) if he didn't feel so ashamed.
Anyway, that's the story I think that Oda was trying to tell of Chopper's past. It feels like it was pretty good development, really.
The fake strawhats were hilarious for the first chapter they were in, (I kind of wish Oda had doen the color dspread of them and trolled us…) and yeah, they'll be dominated shortly. There's nothing to them, and there really doesn't need to be. The beatdown might be as soon as next chapter, and then on to Fishman island hopefully.
Obviously Sentomaru is going to slow things up a bit still, so its harder to gauge how long this brief farce is going to take. But they serve the purpose of showcasing Luffy's fame, and drawing some commotion to the island... instead of leaving quietly without anything happening. Which... never happens to the crew.
I'll be annoyed if we get another 5 or 6 chapters of the fakes, however. That WILL be taking it too far.
I am starting to get annoyed with the fakes. I don't like how silly Gag is being taken seriously and becoming somewhat of a threat. How the hell did everyone believe they are the real Straw hat without testing their strength a little, considering how people thought they were dead?
The recruited pirates were all strong pirates with bounty higher than 70 million and they easily drop their pride to follow other's words without doubt?
Not really a serious threat, since they could be taken out in a couple of pages, but its purpose is to make the departure more exciting, and used as a plot device to introduce the SH's new abilities. The fakes assemble quite a force with two high bounty pirates and call out the Marine, aka Sentoumaru and his Pacifista. This small ruckus has nothing to do with the plot. It shouldn't drag too long.
1 or 2 chapters more.
@Sea:
I am starting to get annoyed with the fakes. I don't like how silly Gag started to become serious threat. How the hell did everyone believe they are the real Straw hat without testing their strength a little, considering how people thought they were dead? The recruited pirates were all strong pirates with bounty higher than 70 million and they easily drop their pride to follow other's words without doubt.
Not really a serious threat, but its purpose is to make the departure more exciting. The fakes assemble a quite strong force with two high bounty pirates and call out the Marine, aka Sentoumaru and his Pacifista.
Well because he's big, has a gun and has a supposed 400 mil beri count. Some pirates aren't that smart to the point where they'll test out how they act, just from rumors and the bounty he/she has on their head. At least that's how I see it.
I don't like how silly Gag started to become serious threat.
Yeah.
Even the two brothers, despite having neat designs, are boring as hell with only both of them together roughly equalling what Luffy was before HE GOT STRONGER EVERY SECOND FOR TWO YEARS.
That said, I have a bad feeling that just after all the Straw Hats are fully reunited, the fakes and the marines are taken care off, they got Hatchan/Camie/Pappaugg and are right at Fishman Island's entrance, we cut away to other characters for a expostion break.
Well because he's big, has a gun and has a supposed 400 mil beri count. Some pirates aren't that smart to the point where they'll test out how they act, just from rumors and the bounty he/she has on their head. At least that's how I see it.
I saw it sort-of that way too. My impression of the four Captains that joined Fluffy is that they're all much more like Buggy - not in that they're weak, but they're more interested in riches and typical Pirate activities than becoming Pirate King or lofty dreams. They probably think that the New World would be a great place to get some loot, but it's too difficult of a place to go to on their own so they're joining up with a big-shot. And given that Fluffy is earning a fairly ruthless reputation for killing without much provocation, they probably are trying to avoid fighting him.
Not that it matters since I fully expect that whole lot to be neutralized in chapter 601. Maybe 602 if Oda decides to play around a bit before taking care of them.
Yeah.
Even the two brothers, despite having neat designs, are boring as hell with only both of them together roughly equalling what Luffy was before HE GOT STRONGER EVERY SECOND FOR TWO YEARS.
Well, like I said, not really serious threat. That's why it shouldn't take too long to prepare. I may reword it somehow.
Chopper growing up btw.
Oh man I love it so much.
But boooooo to his Human(ie. Beast for every other Zoan)-Animal form only getting a little stubble. Does this mean, without respect to age, EVERY Zoan's middle form remains unchanged? Yick.
Well, like I said, not really serious threat. That's why it shouldn't take too long to prepare.
I was hoping it was done with when Luffy used Haki on them. I know Oda's using them as a means to an end and a good one at that, but if so at least make them somewhat threatening and not a gigantic poop joke.
"LOL! Itz phunny cuz dey dont luk lyke Ruffy!"
Chopper growing up btw.
Oh man I love it so much.
But boooooo to his Human(ie. Beast for every other Zoan)-Animal form only getting a little stubble. Does this mean, without respect to age, EVERY Zoan's middle form remains unchanged? Yick.
Probably just Chopper's because he's so marketable. :getlost:
Oda's not one to do that. He wouldn't do anything to betray his readers, but he also wouldn't do something because they want it if he doesn't.
Again, readers, NOT editors or above (WB's JR)
He made a conscious decision that he was happy with, not to change him. Not really happy with that. The body? Okay, that I can handle. But even the antlers? Come on man.
So since Chopper's grown, how fucking beast-fuck-insane do you think his berserker (which hopefully isn't berserker anymore) will be? I hope he practically gets tangled in his own goddamn horns they're so big and twisted.
Oda's not one to do that. He wouldn't do anything to betray his readers, but he also wouldn't do something because they want it if he doesn't.
Again, readers, NOT editors or above (WB's JR)
He made a conscious decision that he was happy with, not to change him. Not really happy with that. The body? Okay, that I can handle. But even the antlers? Come on man.
So since Chopper's grown, how fucking beast-fuck-insane do you think his berserker (which hopefully isn't berserker anymore) will be? I hope he practically gets tangled in his own goddamn horns they're so big and twisted.
I'm getting scared just thinking about an aged "Monster Point" Chopper.
He would be the size of a small island wouldn't he? Or would that be too big of a growth spurt?
@Joe:
I'm getting scared just thinking about an aged "Monster Point" Chopper.
He would be the size of a small island wouldn't he? Or would that be too big of a growth spurt?
Not bigger than Wolf. It's okay.
Oda's not one to do that. He wouldn't do anything to betray his readers, but he also wouldn't do something because they want it if he doesn't.
I agree with you here, but the thing is that he does. I didn't even know about this until I finally read the stuff on your site, but I'm sure you remember that Oda originally didn't want a mascot character, but then changed chopper to be as adorable as he is now because he liked the anime's design for him. It just kind of grew on him, right? So he probably wanted to keep that design. If Chopper hadn't constantly been thought of as cutesy, even by him, then I bet he would have aged with the time skip (assuming that Oda was planning the time skip the whole time).
So since Chopper's grown, how fucking beast-fuck-insane do you think his berserker (which hopefully isn't berserker anymore) will be? I hope he practically gets tangled in his own goddamn horns they're so big and twisted.
I don't just agree that it hopefully isn't; I think that it probably isn't berserk anymore…. He could warn the tribal guys and the birds before he did any testing, and set up conditions where they could subdue him safely, right? So a lot of his medical testing could have been to induce that form in a single ball but let him control it. I also hope it's pretty insane, in the physical appearance sense.
Of course, the rest of the time would have been spent researching improved drugs for not-combat purposes, and perhaps improving his bone-mending technique and such.
Chopper growing up btw.
Oh man I love it so much.
But boooooo to his Human(ie. Beast for every other Zoan)-Animal form only getting a little stubble. Does this mean, without respect to age, EVERY Zoan's middle form remains unchanged? Yick.
Is that really stubble under his chin? Interesting, hopefully is big man form will have a big angry man beard.
Is that really stubble under his chin? Interesting, hopefully is big man form will have a big angry man beard.
He's still 17 =.=" I believe we are to assume that he ages like a human, because 17 is already a year older than the oldest caribou in recorded history.
He's still 17 =.=" I believe we are to assume that he ages like a human, because 17 is already a year older than the oldest caribou in recorded history.
Am I the only one that doesn't give a SHIT about this fake crew and all of its members? I know exactly what Oda's doing here but it's boring as shit as far as 'story' goes. From the moment we saw them we knew they'd be destroyed with extreme prejudice and it's a pain waiting for him to get on with it.
16 epic concurrences.
The fact that the current pirates that have gathered on Sabaody Archipelago seem so inferior to the original 11 Supernovas is troubling… I mean I couldn't see Kid or Law just joining some other crew... Let alone without testing how strong their 'new' captain is... The fact that the marines are letting 'trash' like the current Supernova's get this far into the grandline is a definite sign of their loss of efficiency imo... Or maybe with whoever is the new 'fleet admiral' just doesn't care about what the smallfries do before the 'New World'? Maybe that is what Oda is trying to forshadow?
And yes I'm pretty sure that most of us want the fakes to be dealt with and move on to more interesting matters... But Oda will keep his pace regardless I think....
@Sea:
Even if you say that, I can't possibly imagine his "full-human" (lol) form having a man beard unless Oda retcons his previous age to have been "15 in reindeer years." Which would mean his age is now like 26.
Couldn't Lucci have had more than one pet pigeon prior to Hattori?
There is a reason for why he couldn't stand up
Of course. There were several actually: the damage that Kuma did, the damage that Kizaru did, the damage that Zoro did to himself by fighting when he was in no condition to fight, and so on. I honestly don't think that Luffy would challenge him, or that he would challenge Luffy (as suggested by pacer)– I was just saying hypothetically that "if" that was to happen, it's more likely that it would happen in the opposite direction.
@I:
My daughter and I have been puzzling and puzzling 'til our puzzlers were sore, and we could not figure out that much pure progesterone laden behavior, lol. You brought light to the darkness with your post. So thanks.
Thanks! I should probably unearth it from the Spoiler thread and bring it here:
(Spoiler-tagged for length, not for content)
! > Originally Posted by Cymelion
Zoro and Sanji always have the hostility and besides I bet it's more trying to set up the feeling they both want to fight to test each others strength but know they need to meet up - so the banter is really just a precursor to them getting back into fighting again to see each others improvement
! Think of it this way, too: the whole Alpha battle is just their way of keeping each other from slacking off, and testing each other to see if they're at full strength.
! I'm sure everyone's heard the advice about how if you want to reach a fitness goal you should get a partner – because the friendly-but-intense rivalry between you and your partner will make you both reach that goal faster than you would by yourself.
! Just before Kuma pawed them all, the Alpha battle was temporarily suspended: Sanji sensed that Zoro wasn't at full strength and couldn't be, and so he stopped Alpha-ing Zoro, and instead concentrated on saving him.
! He even asked Zoro point blank, in perfect sincerity: "are you going to be ok?" ... Which is very thoughtful, but totally against the rules of the game, so that's why Zoro said "shut up!" because the way the Alpha battle works, you show that you're ok, you don't talk about it.
! So now, two years later, the first thing Sanji says to the fisherman is: "nah, he's fine … he won't die" -- almost as if finishing his own thought from two years ago. And as soon as he and Zoro see each other, they launch into the Alpha battle again. Now they know they're both at full strength without having to go through the awkwardness of asking: "so how are you feeling?" "did all those wounds heal well?" etc
The fact that the current pirates that have gathered on Sabaody Archipelago seem so inferior to the original 11 Supernovas is troubling… I mean I couldn't see Kid or Law just joining some other crew... Let alone without testing how strong their 'new' captain is... The fact that the marines are letting 'trash' like the current Supernova's get this far into the grandline is a definite sign of their loss of efficiency imo... Or maybe with whoever is the new 'fleet admiral' just doesn't care about what the smallfries do before the 'New World'? Maybe that is what Oda is trying to forshadow?
And yes I'm pretty sure that most of us want the fakes to be dealt with and move on to more interesting matters... But Oda will keep his pace regardless I think....
Trust in Oda, he will deliver. Those annoying fake SH will be gone soon. This isn't naruto or bleach where they would make an arc out of it so have no fear my friend
Couldn't Lucci have had more than one pet pigeon prior to Hattori?
. . . oh, I thought Sea was saying Ha through Hattori, not showing me that all animals age at human rates. Damn it, I hate misunderstanding things in stupid ways when I'm tired >o<
Couldn't Lucci have had more than one pet pigeon prior to Hattori?
Goat average lifespan: 10-12 years old, or oldest branch: 15.
@Sea:
[qimg]http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/3522/goatxn.png[/qimg]
Goat average lifespan: 10-12 years old. The oldest: 15.
That is no ordinary goat, please, go make repentance and pray to PwnGoat before he manifests his wrath upon you!
@Sea:
Goat average lifespan: 10-12 years old. The oldest: 15.
Point taken, Sea. I am sorry for pointing out something so overly obvious as the fact that Chopper must age at the rate of a human, considering the much broader statement that is also obviously true.