Theories That Don't Deserve Their Own Thread
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Has anyone discussed or theorized what was in the letter sent to Buggy after the war?
It would be insane if it were a letter where the WG wanted Buggy to fill a Shichibukai spot since he has a new crew filled with high bounty criminals and (apparently) the WG overrates him because of his escape from ID and being a former Roger Pirate crewmate.
Just making a wild guess.
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well Buggy is indeed weak. But the army of bounty heads he has below him, is quite bothersome.
So yeah, probably a letter for corporation or shichibukai stuff, something a pirate wouldn't expect to come from Akainu, who is the stereotypical marine. -
Do you even understand the sexual connotations of what you just said? I had to bite my fist to stop the laughter. Amazing.
At the time, I did not. But given who we're talking about, I think that actually makes it more likely not less. Guy is a pervert, after all.
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I think that sogeking will make another appearance when they actually land on Sniper Island. lol
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@Tep:
Do you think anyone with a Devil Fruit would even dare to sail the Grand Line in a puny raft like this?
.> Besides, having a DF would ruin his coolness.
…Not to mention a vampire one.In fact, the "puny raft" it's a coffin. And for your question, Ace's ship was smaller.
I'm agree with Mihawk having a devil fruit but I think it's a bat zoan. -
A True Swordsman doesn't need a DF.
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In fact, the "puny raft" it's a coffin. And for your question, Ace's ship was smaller.
I'm agree with Mihawk having a devil fruit but I think it's a bat zoan.haha, you really like to think of him as Dracula, huh? :)
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Yes. And Oda too. I don't know if He is going to do it now. But I think it's obvious that when he created the character was thinking in dracula.
And r1ncewind, I bet for fake Sanji for the wanted poster.
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Yes. And Oda too. I don't know if He is going to do it now. But I think it's obvious that when he created the character was thinking in dracula.
And r1ncewind, I bet for fake Sanji for the wanted poster.
Well, I agree that will probably be the case, yes.. I do believe that my silly prediction would gather a more favorably reaction at barbatie =)
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Has anyone discussed or theorized what was in the letter sent to Buggy after the war?
It would be insane if it were a letter where the WG wanted Buggy to fill a Shichibukai spot since he has a new crew filled with high bounty criminals and (apparently) the WG overrates him because of his escape from ID and being a former Roger Pirate crewmate.
Just making a wild guess.
Yeah it's been discussed ridiculous amounts by now, that can be the only thing that was in that letter, look at my Sig :) been there for like a month now. The Shicibukai are gonna become a complete joke if he really HAS joined, compared to the SHs.
What are you guys' thoughts on Luffy becoming a Yonkou? I wonder if they'll offer him Shichibukai too.. he'd never accept but I wonder. -
Luffy will neither be a Yonkou nor a Shichibukai. The first means conquering something, which Luffy does not want, he wants adventure, yay. The latter means being bound by the world government which opposses Luffys conquest for freedom.
"The person with the most freedom on the oceans is the pirate king", or something like that. -
What are you guys' thoughts on Luffy becoming a Yonkou? I wonder if they'll offer him Shichibukai too.. he'd never accept but I wonder.
That is like getting slapped by someone and then giving that same person a present.
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I'd like to pose a theory…. well, sort of a question....?
I was wondering why Oda choose that particular order for the straw hats returning to SA. well, what i did might be extreme, but this is Oda we're talking about....
I took the each member's number (zoro=2, nami=3, etc.) and put the numbers in order of return and then grouped them by threes.
(2,8,3,4,6,9,5,7,1 = 283, 469, 571)
then i looked at each of these chapters' titles....283 = "Operation Love Rescue: Front Line"
469 = "Show Yourselves, Straw Hat Crew"
571 = "Execution Platform"call me crazy, but what are the chances of this holding a secret meaning?
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do it again, this time with the original japanese titles please.
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I'd like to pose a theory…. well, sort of a question....?
I was wondering why Oda choose that particular order for the straw hats returning to SA. well, what i did might be extreme, but this is Oda we're talking about....
I took the each member's number (zoro=2, nami=3, etc.) and put the numbers in order of return and then grouped them by threes.
(2,8,3,4,6,9,5,7,1 = 283, 469, 571)
then i looked at each of these chapters' titles....283 = "Operation Love Rescue: Front Line"
469 = "Show Yourselves, Straw Hat Crew"
571 = "Execution Platform"call me crazy, but what are the chances of this holding a secret meaning?
I think you're getting a bit too deep into it. There aren't any other signs that would suggest something like this.
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I forgot to post this theory:
Buggy's shichibukai invitation is just a ploy by the World Government to execute another one of Roger's nakama. -
Why does no one bring up the fact that the 5 Elders had a meeting stating they should wait to see how the power vacuum in the NW would play out before naming new shichibukai. This was also a chapter or two after Buggy got his letter.
I can't even guess what the letter contains, but it's got to be something absolutely ridiculous since its Buggy. -
I think you're getting a bit too deep into it. There aren't any other signs that would suggest something like this.
When you're obsessed…. there's no such thing as "too deep." LOL
But you're probably right. -
Aside from Zoro arriving first as a gag, I'm sure that the order of them arriving was mostly random. I say random, since the plan was likely for Franky to show up early to work on Sunny, Luffy to arrive last, and Sanji, Brook, and Robin to arrive around the same time (Sanji seems to be the point man in the arc, Brook has his concert and will likely have a small window of time to get back to the crew after it before he gets mobbed, and Robin seems to be the only one paying attention to what is actually going on around them).
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Has anyone discussed or theorized what was in the letter sent to Buggy after the war?
It would be insane if it were a letter where the WG wanted Buggy to fill a Shichibukai spot since he has a new crew filled with high bounty criminals and (apparently) the WG overrates him because of his escape from ID and being a former Roger Pirate crewmate.
Just making a wild guess.
Moria gets death sentence
Moria gets away
Moria's trademark bat reaches Buggy prior to the WG saying moria died.
Buggy + Crew think its from the WG
Opens letter
Finds out Moria is looking for a place to hide and wants to join Buggy's Crew.
Reason being?
Luffy and Moria have bad blood, doesn't know where Luffy is.
WB's crew won't accept him cause of Oz Jr
Shanks Crew probably wouldn't have anything to do with him either, especially since they were traveling with WB's old crew to bury WB and Ace.
Buggy is attriubted as a co-conspirator of the jail break. He's a "member" of Rogers crew. He was shown talking to Shanks. WB, though not taking Buggy serious, was shown talking to Buggy asking for his "help".
Moria see's Buggy's crew (that now has many bounty heads from the prison) as the place to be for his own safety.
Moria + Friends joins Buggy + Friends crew.
Freak Circus theme is expanded on.
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Moria + Friends joins Buggy + Friends crew.
Freak Circus theme is expanded on.
Well, I didn't laugh, but I was amused. Also, that bat could have come from anywhere, not necessarily Moria, but I'd have to wonder why the WG would have messenger bats?
Then again, I wonder how the bat found Buggy & co in the first place. Randomness started it; randomness will ensue.
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I forgot to post this theory:
Buggy's shichibukai invitation is just a ploy by the World Government to execute another one of Roger's nakama.I support that.
Why does no one bring up the fact that the 5 Elders had a meeting stating they should wait to see how the power vacuum in the NW would play out before naming new shichibukai. This was also a chapter or two after Buggy got his letter.
I can't even guess what the letter contains, but it's got to be something absolutely ridiculous since its Buggy.And that makes the last theory more plausible, just a way to lure out Buggy…but oh wait, if the WG found Buggy's location (the letter didn't arrive just like that), why aren't they there to capture him? Oh whatever, not worth thinking about it, just want to see what comical scheme will Oda pull off.
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I theorize that Log Poses have a fixed route.
If you look at that: Nami got her Log Pose from Crocus, who was on Gol D. Rogers ship. They apparently take the same route as Gol D. Roger, so I call that quite possible. -
I don't know if Oda has stated anything about this, but I think in the New World, Log Poses serve no use anymore and people have to use other ways of navigating between islands. I mean, think about it. From SA everybody goes to Fishman Island. If log Poses were still used, every pose would continually point at the same Island right?
Edit: It won't happen, since the Rookies were seen heading towards different islands..but now I'm having second doubts cuz i think Urouge asked if the pose really was pointing towards that thuder island? Or am I mistaken now?
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Well, yeah they still use log poses.
Funny thing is everyone used the same entrance to the grandline, the reverse mountain instead of coming over the calm belt, right?
So still then they had all to come to the same island, right? Aparently they had different routes.
FI is no different there, I think. So different log poses having fixed routes, is quite a possibility isn't it. Considering where he got the pose from.
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The log pose doesn't have fixed routes. You choose a route and set it using a map.
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Luffy will neither be a Yonkou nor a Shichibukai. The first means conquering something, which Luffy does not want, he wants adventure, yay. The latter means being bound by the world government which opposses Luffys conquest for freedom.
"The person with the most freedom on the oceans is the pirate king", or something like that.Didn't read my post, I said would they offer it, not would he actually accept and become one.
And what do you have to do to become a Yonkou? I thought you just had a to be an incredibly threatening power on the 2nd half of the grandline? -
It was implied that Yonkou have Islands under their control. Like WB protecting FI. Big Mom would be another example for that. We don't know about Kaidou and Shanks 'possessing' any Islands yet.
It was also implied when they were described ruling the seas like a king or emperor. So just being incredibly powerful is not sufficient enough for being a yonkou.
Blackbeard is already fricking powerful, he was even able to injure a Yonkou severly, but he is no Yonkou yet. Eh was no Yonkou yet, who knows after the timeskip… -
It was implied that Yonkou have Islands under their control. Like WB protecting FI. Big Mom would be another example for that. We don't know about Kaidou and Shanks 'possessing' any Islands yet.
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A favorite between Kaidou's Islands.
I'll say not every one the Yonkou has to "control" many Islands. Take WB's example, he was just "protecting" FI and the other island wich was attacked by brownbeard with his name, just like Garp put that sign in Fusha village, it's not necessary ruling over people.
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Oh thanks, I forgot about Drake.
they do not control them directly, but seemingly FI was happy with its protection. So it seems he has political influence there. So it is a weak form of dominion, say an alliance.
Luffy is not allied with any country, with persons (who care for their country), but not with a single country. -
I don't believe in the following predictions but I saw them on different fanart sites and found them interesting.
They are theories on how Crocodile lost his hand/why he wears a hook on one arm.
one:
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so this seems to say: Crocodile actually does have his hand still but is hiding it underneath a hook to hide the fact that he is a former slave. There is approximately 0.00000001 support for this theory.[/hide]two:
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I've seen several fanart pics along the same lines as this. Suggesting Crocodile is a former swordsman and a member of the whitebeard pirates. Possibly he did something to betray the crew/broke one of their rules and the hand he used to swordfight with and that had the whitebeard tattoo on it was cut off symbolically by Whitebeard in a fight they had. Again, basically no support to this theory.[/hide]just thought I should throw those out there :)
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fishman island will be the location of the all blue, or at least near it.
remember at roguetown, which was near the redline at the other side of the world, they had the elephant fish that was from another sea? it was there because roguetown was near a place where the four seas meet.
i couldnt find the map im thinking of but it can be summed up in these images:
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1340/grandlineworldyu9.png
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http://pic.tenmanga.com/comics/16896/175037/d0f3cac4d12fa2668b1ffbc4e3254253.jpg
Basically my point is that reverse mountain and fishman island are the only two places where all four seas meet. These are the only places where the All Blue could conceivably occur. The rough currents at reverse mountain didnt produce all blue, but the underwater city of fishman island may well be very condusive to supporting life from all four seas!Also we dont know how far zeff made it into his voyage. maybe he never got as far as SA and so never found the all blue.
Tell me what you think.
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okay heres the image i was thinking of
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@guess:
fishman island will be the location of the all blue, or at least near it.
remember at roguetown, which was near the redline at the other side of the world, they had the elephant fish that was from another sea? it was there because roguetown was near a place where the four seas meet.
i couldnt find the map im thinking of but it can be summed up in these images:
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1340/grandlineworldyu9.png
and
http://pic.tenmanga.com/comics/16896/175037/d0f3cac4d12fa2668b1ffbc4e3254253.jpg
Basically my point is that reverse mountain and fishman island are the only two places where all four seas meet. These are the only places where the All Blue could conceivably occur. The rough currents at reverse mountain didnt produce all blue, but the underwater city of fishman island may well be very condusive to supporting life from all four seas!Also we dont know how far zeff made it into his voyage. maybe he never got as far as SA and so never found the all blue.
Tell me what you think.
….Except Fishman Island isn't a place where all four seas meet. All it is, is an island that is located under the sea, in a hole in the Red line. No seas meeting, just under the water, and in a giant hole that connects the New World and Grandline.
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the sea is made up of water.
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maybe thers a whole system of caves that connect the oceans. geographically speaking, i dont see any other way that oda can pull off all blue and have it make sense. it has to occur at a place where all four corners meet. there are only two places where that occurs.
also the previous location that met the four corner prerequisite (roguetown), did in fact have the occasional fish from other oceans. i think it was meant to foreshadow what conditions are required for all blue.
but without caves systems i see your point, the passage will lead from the first half of the grand line and into the new world.
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I don't believe in the following predictions but I saw them on different fanart sites and found them interesting.
They are theories on how Crocodile lost his hand/why he wears a hook on one arm.
one:
[hide][qimg]http://i55.tinypic.com/n2kh9v.jpg[/qimg]
so this seems to say: Crocodile actually does have his hand still but is hiding it underneath a hook to hide the fact that he is a former slave. There is approximately 0.00000001 support for this theory.[/hide]two:
[hide][qimg]http://i52.tinypic.com/1zq7fyh.png[/qimg]
I've seen several fanart pics along the same lines as this. Suggesting Crocodile is a former swordsman and a member of the whitebeard pirates. Possibly he did something to betray the crew/broke one of their rules and the hand he used to swordfight with and that had the whitebeard tattoo on it was cut off symbolically by Whitebeard in a fight they had. Again, basically no support to this theory.[/hide]just thought I should throw those out there :)
I love those!
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@guess:
fishman island will be the location of the all blue, or at least near it.
I like your theory a lot and it makes perfect sense. All blue is where all the oceans connect to one point. If all blue isn't at fishman island I'm sure the fish people there would certainly know if such a thing existed and where.
If oda decided to put all blue somewhere else, I could only thing of massive sea currents moving to one location. Would be nice to see one of the straw hats dreams come true, instead of it all happening at once at raftel.
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thanks pipio.
yeah, we just have to wait and see. it wont be too long though, so its alright. im expecting a big dinner when they meet with jimbei. you know how those strawhats love to eat and party! whats for dinner will determine whether this theory is right or wrong.
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@guess:
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Also we dont know how far zeff made it into his voyage. maybe he never got as far as SA and so never found the all blue.Tell me what you think.
Well, during the 4 week break I began to reread OP from the beginning. When Sanji, Luffy and Josaku departed from the Baratie, Sanji said sth like this:
"Zeff told me that people call the Grand Line 'Paradise'…!"
We know that people in the NW call the first half of the GL 'paradise'.
So my conclusion is that
1. Zeff made it to the NW.
2. At least Zeff met people who had been to the NW.
To me the first theory fits more to Zeff, because he was one hell of a badass. The second theory sounds kinda lame to me.
EDIT: IDK how far we can trust the english translation of what Sanji said in that panel. (IDK if 'Paradise' was written the same way in Japanese, u know)BTW I'm curious if any SBS-letter will ask about the crossed out 'S' in Ace' tattoo again. Back then Oda said it was a mistake by the tattoo artist. But now we saw Sabo, Ace and Luffy as grown ups in that cover page and Ace' Tattoo is spelled right, bcause Sabo is alive in this image. Oda has to clarify this in the next volumes once and for all! He misguided us back then in the Alabasta volumes!
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I don't think Ace ever saw what kind of flag Sabo was flying on his boat did he?
I just always looked at it as even though the S was a mistake on the tattoo artist, by having it crossed out Ace was honoring his friend unknowingly. So while it may have been planned by Oda, within the story itself the whole thing is still a coincidence.
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I don't think Ace ever saw what kind of flag Sabo was flying on his boat did he?
I just always looked at it as while the S was a mistake on the tattoo artist, by having it crossed out Ace was honoring his friend unknowingly. So while it may have been planned by Oda, within the story itself the whole thing is still a coincidence.
It's been a little while, but I remember the letter having the Jolly Roger on it, I think.
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Oda never said the crossed S was a tattoo artist mistake. That's a rumor.
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Someone may have said this already, but would there be any chance that Hannyabal, Moria and maybe even Jozu are same race, because their looks are pretty similiar? Maybe some of those races that were listed to paper which Duval gave to Sanji in SA?
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Someone may have said this already, but would there be any chance that Hannyabal, Moria and maybe even Jozu are same race, because their looks are pretty similiar? Maybe some of those races that were listed to paper which Duval gave to Sanji in SA?
Oo the only thing Joz and Hannyaball have in common is those weird eyebrows, even then Hannyabal eyebrows are just huge compared to Joz, Joz is just a big human same with Hannyaball most likelly.
Moria is a long neck most likelly and I bet you saw the relation because of the eyebrows again since its the only thing the 3 have in common.
Anyway yeah two humans and one long neck most likelly, no relation.
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Someone may have said this already, but would there be any chance that Hannyabal, Moria and maybe even Jozu are same race, because their looks are pretty similiar? Maybe some of those races that were listed to paper which Duval gave to Sanji in SA?
Hannyabal has those eyebrows because those are found of Hannya Masks and Jozu just looks like a neanderthal, really.
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I don't think Fishman Island will be in or near the All Blue. Because its at the BOTTOM of the Red Line. I recall someone saying its 20,000 meters down. While theoretically the waters of all the oceans might gather there, it wouldn't be the All Blue simply because its so far down you can't get the diversity of sea life Sanji is looking for. All Blue is likely to be some area of the New World where the seas gather, and species who live in the most shallow beaches to the deepest depths of the oceans can all live.
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Coby will capture Alvida (Its pretty obvious) and his blonde friend will capture his father Morgan. Assuming Morgan is still alive.