Chapter 591: "You Sure That's Alright?" Discussion
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1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
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Probably stems from the crazy "something else" theories related to Ray , pay it no mind :P
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Well, anyone who has the idea that he would be at EL…
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@JERK:
How were the oreos.
good. Right now im eating chips and tunafish
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I mean I thought EL was just ruble now , I can't see it being rebuilt already .
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Almost a month has passed since Buster Call. There are easily more than ruins now.
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Uhm because that was their priority ? I mean it's not like EL had such an important position other then just being a sort of entrance .
And I mean if 2 5ths of their force can get owned so easily by EL level strawhats and galley-la/franky family , then I question their ability to defend themselves against anything realy dangerous .
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@I:
Oh shit the freakin' f/b, too–that does tie things together a lot. Yeah, I think you have a winner there Robby. But then what do you think Ray suggested to our hero, then?
I haven't the slightest clue in the world. As Greg pointed out, with Rayleigh by his side, Luffy could be up to pretty much anything now, for any sort of crazy reason.
He'll be getting stronger though, to be sure. And Rayleigh thinks it'll be significant enough to allow Luffy to avoid a situation like Shabondy again.
Greg was tossing out wild theories as EXAMPLES. Of things we as readers (and Chopper) would find INSANE, but in the context of being by Rayleighs side, isn't so out there.
Nothing with weight to it, just examples. (I think.) There's really no telling. I'd love it if Luffy was doing something insane. (Similarly, Rayleighs sheer presence on the island alone convinces me there won't be an AL invasion arc, since nothing short of a full out Admiral led assault would have any chance)
But at the same token, there's a fair bit of AL buisness to tie up first.
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Still, there really is no reason to assume Luffy would be at EL of all places.
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Unless he wants to break scaffolds or something .
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I mean he also let some level 6 prisoners out…
But that wasn't him acting alone.
An important thing to remember about the prison break is that from the very start, Luffy had a SHIT-TON of help starting with a Shichibukai. It wasn't his typical, 'Good luck guys! I'm goin' in ahead to bust the heads of the most powerful people.'
Everything happened because of Luffy's presence, but 'Luffy' didn't break out of ID. Combine this with his efforts in the war amounting to, well….ANYTHING only because he had the help of...PHHH!!!!! I can't even bring myself to say it.
THE WHITEBEARD PIRATE CREW.
lol
And that's why I really don't think he's done anything sufficient from the 'strength' level of a bounty. 'Threat' side? Yeah. But if that's the case, BB better have a debut bounty that eclipses Luffy.
Still, there really is no reason to assume Luffy would be at EL of all places.
Yeah you're right it makes no sense and Oda could never work with that idea.
Just like a boy shot by a bazooka dying makes sense.
DERPDERPDERP
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Yeah you're right it makes no sense and Oda could never work with that idea.
Just like a boy shot by a bazooka dying makes sense.
DERPDERPDERP
I didn't say Oda could never work with the idea. What I meant is that we currently have no reason to assume his next destination is Enies Lobby. It absolutely could happen in the future, if there was a reason to.
And we don't know that Sabo was directly hit by the bazooka, so…
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What I meant is that we currently have no reason to assume his next destination is Enies Lobby.
That's right.
Which is why Chopper would be like
OMFGWTF!!!!!???????
if he was there.
But anyway, after the Tenryuubito factor I'm begrudgingly in the bounty raise camp :(
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Greg , I am shocked .
You speak of implausibility involving surviving explosions in One Piece and you do not mention Pell ?
Son , I am dissapoint .
@ Greg : begrudgingly ? He's done lotsa shit since his last bounty and lest we forget the government , curently , do not know that Luffy got to ID thanks to Hancock , so they could see him as far more dangerous because they can't figure out how on earth he got in .
Because I guess conecting the Hancock apearance and her protecting him in the war and talking about Love are dots that are very hard to connect .
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That's right.
Which is why Chopper would be like
OMFGWTF!!!!!???????
if he was there.
But anyway, after the Tenryuubito factor I'm begrudgingly in the bounty raise camp :(
Oh, okay. I get what you mean.
Might I ask why you're adverse to a bounty raise?
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Oh, okay. I get what you mean.
Might I ask why you're adverse to a bounty raise?
He's not averse–he just wants something with a little more punch to it--a little more unexpected and "don"-ish, so he's reluctant to accept a theory that would mean that wouldn't be the case.
He's selfish that way.
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Nah, I get it.
But I don't see why it couldn't be both a bounty raise and something else more intense.
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chopper was shocked at the recent porno movie starring luffy. he heard about it, but its has just been confirmed it's real.
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You speak of implausibility involving surviving explosions in One Piece and you do not mention Pell ?
Because I don't wanna go there.
He's done lotsa shit since his last bounty and lest we forget the government , curently , do not know that Luffy got to ID thanks to Hancock , so they could see him as far more dangerous because they can't figure out how on earth he got in .
But that was the point in my previous post.
Everything happened because he was there.
But he would have dead if he was alone.
While he can be implemented in the start of everything, the breakout wasn't entirely made possible by his actions. I was just thinking about this yesterday. Even without their DF powers, the staff of ID had to be able to quelch unbelievable villains from the New World. They should and could have been able to DESTROY him, but instead, using Iva's brains, they overwhelmed the staff with sheer volume. While Luffy is the origin, it's not like EL where he literally took his ballsack out and singlehandedly knocked over an arm of the government with it. And I don't mean his crew didn't play a part in the overall success, but if you watch from almost the start (as in before Rocketman even 'arrives') to the finish of his battle with Lucci, Luffy is almost entirely isolated from everyone else and responsible for taking down CP9's root of power.
And in MF…
Yeah uh....that didn't, that didn't end so hot.
heh
hot.
Might I ask why you're adverse to a bounty raise?
I'm not.
It makes sense.
But I'd rather have some CRAZY CRAZY CRAZY shit thrown at me from out of left field.
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For those wondering what 'CRAZY CRAZY CRAZY shit' really looks like, imagine the special bullets from Who Framed Roger Rabbit, but as turds.
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So, like Frank Lapidus (not to make this a Lost discussion but he's way out from left field).
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Yup. Luffy's bounty increase after EL was largely for him DECLARING WAR on the government. Beating Luchi was impressive, but he'd already beaten the likes of Arlong and CROCADILE. For that, for sheer strength, (that had at that point only been used against other pirates!) he only got a bounty of 100 mill. It was going against the world, burning the flag, that raised his bounty by so much, not just beating Lucchi.
The government already considers him a huge declared threat because of that, that wouldn't factor into future bounties.
We don't know how big an increase the Ambition outburst would factor into it. That might be worth a 300,000,000 boost all by itself. Or… that might just simply tie into the fact he's already a known quantity of threat. Hancock had ambition powers after all and her bounty is like, 80 mill.
He's done a lot since then. But a ton of that blame can be spread around. (Especially towards Buggy and the surprise reveal of he's a 20 year planning mastermind from Roger's crew who was actively stealing credit) And he's still the same declared enemy, as strong as he was. All the things since would add up to a bounty increase, sure... but he's still largely the same known quantity. His actual threat hasn't changed all that much, though the possibility has. Being associated with whitebeard? Knowing revolutionaires? Defeating ANOTHER Shichibukai? Those all raise his threat level a bit, but he's still at basically the same status as he was when he declared war. And ESPECIALLY with his crew scattered, and the current highest bounties we've seen, wouldn't necesarilly be a huge jump.
How is beating Moria any more significant than beating Crocadile, aside from showing it wasn't just the circumstances that put Luffy against a warlord and that he would, yes, fight any he met?
But. Punching a world noble? Out of everything he's done, that's a level beyond what was expected of him and unprecedented.... with incredibly wealthy people willing to seek revenge that aren't tied to the government.
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Exactly. Lapidus shows up and grabs Luffy, puts him in his mouth, chews thoroughly, spits him out, rubs him on his chest hair and then Luffy can use Haki.
I mean that's all I'm asking for.
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Robby, by saying he's the same "status" as he was when he defeated Lucci, do you mean his strength level is the same, or his threat to the government is the same?
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This has nothing to do with anything in particular and it is a shameless plug but just because I know there are a lot of readers who don't CHECK BACK EVERY WEEK SAME BAT TIME SAME BAT CHANNEL, we did an interview with stephen on the latest episode of the podcast.
Yes that stephen.
Even if you don't regularly listen I'd suggest checking it out. We all had a great talk.
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This has nothing to do with anything in particular and it is a shameless plug but just because I know there are a lot of readers who don't CHECK BACK EVERY WEEK SAME BAT TIME SAME BAT CHANNEL, we did an interview with stephen on the latest episode of the podcast.
Yes that stephen.
Even if you don't regularly listen I'd suggest checking it out. We all had a great talk.
LOL Did you just join the cast/crew/staff w/e for the podcast? I don't recall seeing that in your sig before…
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LOL Did you just join the cast/crew/staff w/e for the podcast? I don't recall seeing that in your sig before…
I've been with them for almost a year but living ACROSS THE WORLD makes it difficult to line up recording schedules where both parties are coherent.
We make exceptions for BIG things aka Movie 10, JUMP Festa and such.
I'm using the sig because I WANT A LOT OF PEOPLE TO HEAR THIS EPISODE.
It will help you appreciate manga and translation in general a lot more.
In addition to finding out whether stephen prefers milk or dark chocolate.
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I've been with them for almost a year but living ACROSS THE WORLD makes it difficult to line up recording schedules where both parties are coherent.
We make exceptions for BIG things aka Movie 10, JUMP Festa and such.
I'm using the sig because I WANT A LOT OF PEOPLE TO HEAR THIS EPISODE.
It will help you appreciate manga and translation in general a lot more.
In addition to finding out whether stephen prefers milk or dark chocolate.
Well that sounds interesting and I'm definately gonna check it out, but let's get our priorities straight…
If he rejects any kind of chocolate, I've lost all respect for the guy.
There's no coming back from saying something like that.
I mean…
Chocolate. What else is there, really?
Isn't that what the One Piece really is, after all. One piece of chocolate? It's just all so obvious.
(Especially Meiji, but that's another post)
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It was a great podcast, everyone needs to check it out.
So who is hyped about Usopp in the future running toward sea kings for once? That single aspect excites me like no other.
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What would really excite me is if Ussop showed signs of Haki.
Determination, Will, etc. Ussop seems to be lacking in all of these. If he, the weakest of the characters can develop a semblance of this power, then I will be hugely impressed. He must, after all, but probably not until close to the very end. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being the big hero, when all else fails.
He is, as Oda intends him to be, the most human of the strawhats. But a story about growth and overcoming challenges against all odds must even take the most human character and turn him into something "nearly" superhuman.Woo that would totally rock my boat, though.
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What would really excite me is if Ussop showed signs of Haki.
Determination, Will, etc. Ussop seems to be lacking in all of these. If he, the weakest of the characters can develop a semblance of this power, then I will be hugely impressed. He must, after all, but probably not until close to the very end. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up being the big hero, when all else fails.
He is, as Oda intends him to be, the most human of the strawhats. But a story about growth and overcoming challenges against all odds must even take the most human character and turn him into something "nearly" superhuman.Woo that would totally rock my boat, though.
Usopp, much like Zoro, needs to master the use of seastone, not haki. If everyone has haki then no one is special and it makes it bland. I could see robin or sanji with it but not usopp.
When I die I want to get shot out of a cannon. Scare the hell out of someone.
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If everyone has haki then no one is special and it makes it bland
Speculation wise it might very well be the case that everyone is able to use ambition in the one piece world.
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Usopp, much like Zoro, needs to master the use of seastone, not haki. If everyone has haki then no one is special and it makes it bland. I could see robin or sanji with it but not usopp.
Seastone, yeah, it's cool and all, but it only works against people with DFs.
And one more thing.
Not all Haki has to be the same. The Boa sisters showed that Haki can take the form of an overpowering presence, which knocks all others out, a sense of all things that helps to evade attacks, or an indomitable will that defends against all attacks. Ussop doesn't have to show that he has, for instance, Luffy's "presence" Haki.
I don't think any of the strawhats but Luffy and Zoro should really develop the "presence" Haki. I would be happy if none of the others developed any Haki powers whatsoever. Zoro may already show signs of the "indomitable will" Haki, since he never seems to go down now matter how much damage you give him.
But if Ussop were to develop something like the "sense" Haki, so he could evade all attacks, then I think it would fit nicely with his fighting style.Obviously, he's one of my favorite characters…
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Speculation wise it might very well be the case that everyone is able to use ambition in the one piece world.
Agreed. I would like it best if everyone is capable of exhibiting this "power".
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Usopp, much like Zoro, needs to master the use of seastone, not haki. If everyone has haki then no one is special and it makes it bland. I could see robin or sanji with it but not usopp.
Seastone bullets? Seastone sword?! The only one who probably does not need Haki is Nami. But you can bet Usopp is not going down in history never being able to hit a Logia, in constant shame that he couldn't help Zoro. That goes for all the rest as well.
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I think Usopp having Ambition and the others, besides Luffy, not having it would be pretty cool.
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@Kairouseki:
I think Usopp having Ambition and the others, besides Luffy, not having it would be pretty cool.
Totally, dude. Usopp (have I been spelling it wrong?) deserves it the most.
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I expect at least Zoro and Sanji to develop haki. Maybe Zoro even king haki even if it would mean that Zoro and Luffy would make the gap bigger to Sanji. But who knows.
Usopp has pretty high chances as well in my eyes
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I hope Sanji learns how to use Hell wink.
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@Superbear:
I hope Sanji learns how to use Hell wink.
xD it would totally fit him…. NOT
Yeah and I hope Luffy will be a swordsmen from now on^^
Really the SHs need unique moves and not copies from the others
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I hope Sanji plactic surgery kicks anyone, anywhere into ugliness that comes up with an "ugly"/bad/random/should-be-kept-to-oneself-to-not-sound-stupid idea about the story. Just saying…
Oh and Usopp should start using martial arts and not fighting long range... /sarcasm -
xD it would totally fit him…. NOT
Yeah and I hope Luffy will be a swordsmen from now on^^
Really the SHs need unique moves and not copies from the others
Well he needs some sort of long range attack, and its kind of implied that he will be gaining something from being on the island of queers so I don't see why not.
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@Superbear:
Well he needs some sort of long range attack, and its kind of implied that he will be gaining something from being on the island of queers so I don't see why not.
First of all he doesn't need some long range attack to be a mosnter. He did well till now by kicking canon balls or buildings as long range attack. But it would be stillnice to see^^
And if he get one than it would Rankyaku like. You know Sanji is the guy using his legs^^
Or should Zoro start to use his long range attack with his legs as well ala Kaku? Would it fit to zoro's character as swordsmen? No… Same for Sanji and the Death Wink^^
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What does usage of "common Japanese expression" have ANYTHING TO DO with whether One Piece is shounen or seinen?
Seriously, WTF? Are you saying shounen manga are written for 5 year olds, and excludes usages of any COMMON EVERYDAY EXPRESSION that may confuse a toddler?no, i'm just saying that they use simple and short synthax (compared to most seinen titles) and while figurative words are often present, if possible they use them with their literal meaning. probably you didn't bother to care about this last detail since you speak japanese everyday
And stop telling me to go Google. OF FRIGGING COURSE if you google "line", "island" and "float to the surface" it's gonna come up as that. When in the hell do you see everyday someone saying "OH DUDE I FIGURED OUT WHAT ISLAND THIS PERSON IS ON BY LOOKING AT THE SEA MAP" as opposed to five million instances of text saying an island came up due to whatever geological tectonic plate shift. This is the single stupidest argument I've ever seen here, Mr "I USE GOOGLE TO TRANSLATE". Did you even understand the context of what those google search results are in? Did you even bother to READ them????
there's no shame at all in looking for examples on google, even if it's your own language, unless you are a journalist or a japanese professor that already master the full use of most of the everyday words; even 1 or 2 good examples may be enough, especially when talking about a literature text (even if not an high level one).
and, like i told you in 2 post already, i didn't deny the meaning and the examples you provided, i just think that in this case it has not that meaningLet me put it in plain language for you.
Rayleigh "figured out" which island Luffy was on AL by studying the "line". Period.
no, even translating it your way , rayleigh only remembered about AL after hearing the direction from kuma, it was only later that connecting all the data together, shakky and rayleigh figured out that luffy had really landed in AL and that now he may be sheltering there
NO, Amazon Lily did not suddenly FLOAT TO THE SURFACE OF THE SEA when Rayleigh looked at the map. That's retarded.
indeed you have a point, but it's not the sea but a line what the verb was relating to, and it's not "suddenly rose up", but just "rose up" (ok, i gotta admit it comes pretty natural to add "to my attention" and just go with the figurative meaning though)
I'm done. This is getting too ridiculous, I'm simply gonna put you on ignore, and save myself the pain of having to read it, and just hope no one takes you seriously.
fine, I get your point; likewise, I don't have much interest myself discussing this matter any longer since however you read it it makes little to no difference.
Kuma doesn't tell rayleigh about AL and this was my whole point in keeping posting in this thread along with the belief that it's very, very, very likely that kuma himself doesn't know the exact locations of perona, the shs and whoever else got blown away with that technique. -
I find it very funny how more dumb these arguments get each chapter.
589: SABO IS ALIVE!! Dragons dialog is sooo abvious he's alive! NOOO it's not! blah blah blah.
590: LUFFY COUNTED HIS FINGERS WRONG!! No he's counting himself too. NO HE'S COUNTED JINBEI . YOU DUMMYS HE COUNTED HIS HAT! blah blah blah.
591: Rayleigh guess the line and calculated Luffy was on AL . NOOO HE WAS TOLD BY SHAKKY!!! im adding you to my ignore list. blah…blah...blah
I love these chapter discussions! I can't wait till 592 to see the argument about Nami's new breast size! -
What is this oldsnake talking about?
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What is this oldsnake and cheaptrick talking about?
Fixed it for ya^^
And funny that he haven't got it after all^^ Stubborn guy^^
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First of all he doesn't need some long range attack to be a mosnter. He did well till now by kicking canon balls or buildings as long range attack. But it would be stillnice to see^^
And if he get one than it would Rankyaku like. You know Sanji is the guy using his legs^^
Or should Zoro start to use his long range attack with his legs as well ala Kaku? Would it fit to zoro's character as swordsmen? No… Same for Sanji and the Death Wink^^
Sanji is a martial artist, Hell Wink and Death wink are part of a martial art called New Okama kenpo. Besides it doesn't go against the rule of using his hands so what's your point.
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@Superbear:
Sanji is a martial artist, Hell Wink and Death wink are part of a martial art called New Okama kenpo. Besides it doesn't go against the rule of using his hands so what's your point.
Why not using a Rankyaku like move with his legs besides a shitty death wink who doesn't fit his character after all? Iva is a fun character and with his hormones he can make himself bigger as wellas his eyes which would power his death wink… How could Sanji power up his death wink?
BTW I hate mere copies of attacks. Oda will show us something unique for each one and not copies from other characters^^
Would be the same if Brook, a swordsmen, will start to use Zoro's attacks and the other waay around^^
