Timeskip Predictions

Zkaiser

If there is a timeskip, Buggy or Blackbeard had better be a Yonkou and the Warlords should be filled in by by brand new pirates.

Ivotas

They should let bounty hunters take the positions of Warlords instead of constantly repeating the same mistake by trusting pirates.

brennen.exe

@HaxeyeMihawk:

He may of never reintroduced as an official concept in the opverse but you can still clearly see that it's applicable when comparing a lot of these pirate crews.

Actually, my 'but I understand why' was because it is my understanding Oda left it out to make the Strawhat crew more unique. As seen by various comments throughout the series, and more notably by Bonney at Saboady, "I don't believe it!! A pirate, saving someone's life!? I've never HEARD of such a thing!!!" Anyway, that's the very reason I don't think it would be a "fatal flaw" Oda "glazes over"; he's made a point of depicting the Strawhats as relatively good people, albeit selfish most of the time.

@Ivotas:

They should let bounty hunters take the positions of Warlords instead of constantly repeating the same mistake by trusting pirates.

What are bounty hunters? =(

Ivotas

@brennen.exe:

What are bounty hunters? =(

This:

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Don Quichotte De Flamingo

@Ivotas:

This:

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:ninja:

you mean more like them^^
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/42/16/

Ivotas

@Don:

you mean more like them^^
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/42/16/

Sure, they are bounty hunters too. But just like there's low class of pirates (like Kuro) who would never be fit for the position of a Warlord Johnny & Yosaku would be the matching counterpart in terms of bounty hunters.

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

your example (was Daddy his name?) wasn`t fitting either for a shichibukai position.

but as we both know, so far OP hasnt had even one BH which would be okay for such a position. we still have to wait for top tier BHs in the future story^^

Ivotas

@Don:

your example (was Daddy his name?) wasn`t fitting either for a shichibukai position.

Says who? It's not like Oda has written scenario in which he's labeled to be a weakling of Johnny & Yosaku's level.

Of course I'm not seriously arguing for him to become a Warlord. But I do consider that of that little amount of bounty hunters that Oda created, Daddy Masterson - who's been having a history with Smoker in the Marine and only lost to Yasopp in a duel (which doesn't strike as a fodder feat) - has the one with the most potential for now.

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

thats because hes a lone wolf so far as a strong BH in OP. as you mentioned there arent many BH so far introduced.
saying because of this fact he "can be fitting"…
well, when you think so...having a past with Smoker does say nothing and that he only lost to Yasopp.
mhhh, we dont know how many opponents he had, but i rly doubt that he is on a level with Van Augur,Benn Beckmann etc, who showed that theyre top tier gunners.

Ivotas

@Don:

he is on a level with Van Augur,Benn Beckmann etc, who showed that they`re top tier gunners.

When exactly did Benn Beckman ever show that he's high class gunner (assuming that by gunner you mean a person that actually uses the gun to shoot) because I've never have seen Beckman firing a damn shot so far. He did have a "you're doing it wrong" moment with his rifle in chapter 1 though.:ninja:

Mugiwara_no_Ice

I always found it weird how Bounty hunters were depicted in One Piece. It's almost as if they were the same as pirates and treated as such, while I thought bounty hunters to be good guys.

I think it's a japanese thing cause bounty hunters are depicted as villains in other manga as well.

So untill now Oda didn't really give us signs of bounty hunters being a force to be reckoned with. I don't think he would.

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

@Ivotas:

When exactly did Benn Beckman ever show that he's high class gunner (assuming that by gunner you mean a person that actually uses the gun to shoot) because I've never have seen Beckman firing a damn shot so far. He did have a "you're doing it wrong" moment with his rifle in chapter 1 though.:ninja:

somehow i knew you would bring this point up…:happy:
maybe he hasnt shown so far his perfect skill in shooting a bullet over 1km exactly into a goal. but as a vice-captn of a yonkou crew and one of the rare gunners in OP(seeing him always with a rifle) who obviously was an opponent for Kizaru even when he just pointed his rifle at him (which a logiauser could have just ignored), somehow indicates that for maybe just for me ^^

but it doesn`t bring us anything for the main discussion, that Daddy Masterson can be rly called a top tier who could gain a position as a shichibukai.

AGOG

No need for a timeskip; the plot should just continue at the pace it started without leaping around too much. Hopefully, this 590 statement leads to Luffy rushes towards his crew; like before the war arc– same with his crew, too.

Ivotas

@Don:

but it doesn`t bring us anything for the main discussion, that Daddy Masterson can be rly called a top tier who could gain a position as a shichibukai.

I never said he would be. I just think he could he as a conceptual character that so far hasn't appeared in the canon story could have potential to be turned into a strong bounty hunter.

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

when oda would plan that since the beginning i doubt that he would have given his "okay" to use that chara in the loguetown-filler and being beaten by usopp^^

Md-Martin

I really wanna see a Boba Fett-like Bounty Hunter in the New World, like a weapon specialist bounty hunter. A Total badass guy that chases the Strawhats through the New World :D

Ivotas

@Don:

when oda would plan that since the beginning i doubt that he would have given his "okay" to use that chara in the loguetown-filler and being beaten by usopp^^

What the hell are you talking about? He wasn't beaten by Usopp neither in the graphic novel nor in the Loguetown filler. :wassat:

SuperJew

I think we'll get our fair share of bounty hunters while at Fishman Island. With Jinbei currently disposed and Whitebeard dead, it's open season on that populace. (Could this somehow tie into a larger World Nobles arc in the future? Easily.)

I think we'll get our answer of whether there is a time skip relatively fast. I'd be very surprised if we're still debating this by August.

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

Usopp proved to be nearly equal to him.(in terms of snipering), which is, i have to agree not being beaten, but that should proof that Daddy isn`t on the highest level.

i mean also Mihawk saw what zoro is able to, but there you still SAW the gap.
While Daddy and Usopp where like i said nearly equal.(i know we can discuss this to death)
maybe iam forgetting some important facts, because i just watched once this episode and it was bad as nearly every filler, but that he WAS A FILLER CHARA is evidence enough for me to doubt that he is a top tier.
even when he was called a legend or so..but which chara is not hyped before we see him.

Ivotas

@Don:

Usopp proved to be nearly equal to him.(in terms of snipering), which is, i have to agree not being beaten, but that should proof that Daddy isn`t on the highest level.

When did that happen? Usopp tried to run away from the duel in the anime filler and lost the duel in the novel. Neither scenario displays anything of the sort of Usopp being even remotely equal to Masterson.

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

wasn`t they shooting at this weathercock, where Usopp snipered right in the eye of the cock..
and so it first seemed that he missed but than Daddy saw that Usopp actually got a perfect hit and was impressed?
(so he lost his bet against Usopp when iam not mistaken)

SuperJew

re: Daddy Masterson debate

Worst. Tangent. Ever.

Ivotas

@Don:

wasn`t they shooting at this weathercock, where Usopp snipered right in the eye of the cock..
and so it first seemed that he missed but than Daddy saw that Usopp actually got a perfect hit and was impressed?
(so he lost his bet against Usopp when iam not mistaken)

That's not how it happened. They were having a duel at first and the outcome was (as stated above) that in the anime Usopp tried to run away and in the novel Masterson won easily.

Then after Masterson accidentally found out that Usopp is Yasopp's son (whom he owes a favor for letting him live to take care of his daughter) he was giving Usopp a second chance to show his skills as a sniper, which he then did when he sniped the target. True, the skill Usopp displayed here impressed Masterson but that is not the same as beating him (especially since Masterson was asking for it). It could just aswell mean "good shot, let's duel another time when you've reached my level".

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

okay, got it a bit wrong (cause i don`t rly care for fillers^^)

but still using here an important chara for the future story is doubtful..
its like having Eric back as a future admiral(even when he wasnt created by oda).
just because hes the only BH who can be seen a bit stronger so far doesnt implicate that he "could" be an important chara later.

but as always both of our opinions could come true..so i guess we have to wait a bit.

Ivotas

As I said, my point was that I'm hoping to see this character in the main story actually not that I actually seriously believe he would become a Warlord.

And if I'm not mistaken, Erik is not a character created by Oda right? :unsure:

Don Quichotte De Flamingo

lets hope he isnt
and seeing him in the main story i also doubt but it wouldnt be that surprising if youre right here ^^

AGOG

Wasn't Masterson a character created by some lite novel fiction writer, and not Oda?

I remember that this dude was in some novel version of that loguetown stuff, created by some secondary individual that basically just made up a filler content with his own filler characters to play around in it.

If I am wrong, then so be it… But, I strongly remember that everything from that filler was taken and used from some light novel that was a tribute to OP.

MagneticMonkey

I thought that you were dead.

AGOG

Oh. Why is that?

Ivotas

@AGOG:

Wasn't Masterson a character created by some lite novel fiction writer, and not Oda?

Nope, Daddy Masterson aswell as the entire plot involving him about how Usopp got his goggles at Loguetown is Oda's idea. He just couldn't include it in the manga because he wanted for chapter 100 to be "The Legend Begins"

As far as the novel is concerned, Oda pretty much gave the writer the green light to do his own interpretation of that very plot (while the artwork respectively character design was still done by Oda). In other words, the novel itself obviously isn't canon. However the conceptual ideas by Oda still could become off screen plot elements.

AGOG

@Ivotas:

Nope, Daddy Masterson aswell as the entire plot involving him about how Usopp got his goggles at Loguetown is Oda's idea. He just couldn't include it in the manga because he wanted for chapter 100 to be "The Legend Begins"

As far as the novel is concerned, Oda pretty much gave the writer the green light to do his own interpretation of that very plot (while the artwork respectively character design was still done by Oda). In other words, the novel itself obviously isn't canon. However the conceptual ideas by Oda still could become off screen plot elements.

Ah. I see… So, that clears up that...

JERK DISEASE

Hey again guys, just gonna repost a post with a point I made right at the start of the thread that people still haven't refuted.

http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/71384529/12

Oh whoops, that's a manga page! Sorry I meant to link to my post. Easy mistake you see.

Retsudo

Anyone who stills says Luffy is up and ready to go out into the world is silly.

JERK DISEASE

Even if there isn't a timeskip I feel so validated having Rayleigh almost word for word state my main argument.

herr_sebbe

^ I don't think (hope) anyone doubted that Luffy needed some sort of improvement.

brennen.exe

Luffy (and the crew) getting some sort of major upgrade is no special prediction though, given there has been major threads about that exact subject since Kuma dispersed them. The need for it has be made more and more obvious as Luffy failed time and time again since Thriller Bark. If there is a point that has been made by many of us (you, me, etc), it's that the world needs time to develop before the crew heads back out into it. Aside from that, the major discussion has been about duration, in which case I would say the recent chapter points more towards a shorter timeskip than a longer one.

JERK DISEASE

It's the "you got your ass kicked by kizaru, sentomaru, and some kumabots, if you go back now what will have changed that would prevent that from happening again?" I'm talking about.

AGOG

So, no need for a long time skip like you assumed– right?

Also, you've yet to learn that Sabo is alive... Don't count your chickens before they hatch...

Anyone who stills says Luffy is up and ready to go out into the world is silly.

He hasn't recovered yet… His injuries seem like a few days away from being healed, or a Chopper visit.

Bucephalus

Sabo not being alive would be the stupidest thing Oda's ever done. Even worse than Pell coming back.

After having Dragon show up, along with a panel where revolutionaries on his boat are healing "someone" who is badly hurt, it would be true trolling for Oda to say Sabo died. Why the hell would he even bother to bring Dragon into the picture if Sabo died from the Nobles' attack.

loledinmypants

@AGOG:

Also, you've yet to learn that Sabo is alive… Don't count your chickens before they hatch...

People still don't understand the scene that confirms he's alive with 99.99% certainty? Oh, wait, it's AGOG, of course he lacks reading comprehension. But for the sake of argument and not being a complete ass, who do you think Dragon brought aboard with injuries that night? The trash mountain people had been there a few days. The only viable alternative besides Sabo is Bluejam, and plot wise that makes no sense because Bluejam was set up as infinitely less important and relevant than the main character's BROTHER.
Edit in response to below: there is no ambiguity… unless you have no grasp of how storytelling works. Who else would Dragon have rescued? Why would that scene be included if not to say "Sabo is alive"?

AGOG

@Bucephalus:

Sabo not being alive would be the stupidest thing Oda's ever done. Even worse than Pell coming back.

After having Dragon show up, along with a panel where revolutionaries on his boat are healing someone who is "badly hurt," it would be true trolling for Oda to say Sabo died. Why the hell would he even bother to bring Dragon into the picture if Sabo died from the Nobles' attack.

Realism. Virtue. Closure.

You could answer this rant with anything intelligent.

That was an ambiguous scene, and I know that it COULD imply that Sabo is being healed, as well as it could imply any of the "injured" people that existed from when Dragon picked them up. Heck, it could imply anyone.

If Sabo died, then he had a rather "effective" tale of realistic truth, and if he survives, then Oda has to continuously toy around with Sabo's conscience, as well as a possible encounter with Luffy–which, I'd say, would suck.

No, what Oda chooses to do with the Sabo thing is his choice, but he hasn't "confirmed" that Sabo is alive.

People still don't understand the scene that confirms he's alive with 99.99% certainty? Oh, wait, it's AGOG, of course he lacks reading comprehension. But for the sake of argument and not being a complete ass, who do you think Dragon brought aboard with injuries that night?

Really, now?

http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/589/07/

"He" could mean any person. But, since you suggest a "0.01" there, it means that Oda hasn't stated that Sabo is alive.

Herackles

agog only likes bad story telling

AGOG

So, where's the confirmation that Sabo lives. I obviously posted the photoshoped shit, since, that's what AGOGOGOGOGOGOOGOGO does…

Please, redirect me to the shit that shows a living Sabo. Thanks, in advance.

loledinmypants

@AGOG:

So, where's the confirmation that Sabo lives. I obviously posted the photoshoped shit, since, that's what AGOGOGOGOGOGOOGOGO does…

Please, redirect me to the shit that shows a living Sabo. Thanks, in advance.

AGOG, you are in all kinds of denial…:getlost:
Just keep believing in bad storytelling though without recognizing what others point out to you.

AGOG

Ummm… Where's your fact?

No, I'm not in denial, I'm just stating that it isn't "confirmed" that Sabo's alive, like JERK DISEASE seems to state "CORRECT" when he has yet to physically see him.

loledinmypants

@AGOG:

Ummm… Where's your fact?

No, I'm not in denial, I'm just stating that it isn't "confirmed" that Sabo's alive, like JERK DISEASE seems to state "CORRECT" when he has yet to physically see him.

Answer this:
@loledinmypants:

But for the sake of argument and not being a complete ass, who do you think Dragon brought aboard with injuries that night? The trash mountain people had been there a few days. The only viable alternative besides Sabo is Bluejam, and plot wise that makes no sense because Bluejam was set up as infinitely less important and relevant than the main character's BROTHER.
Edit in response to below: there is no ambiguity… unless you have no grasp of how storytelling works. Who else would Dragon have rescued? Why would that scene be included if not to say "Sabo is alive"?

From the point of storytelling alone there's more than enough evidence for Zephos to say Sabo is alive.

JERK DISEASE

UHM GUYZ???? HELP ME, I DONT NOT GET THI S SCENE

EVERYONE KEPS SAYING VIVI IS STILL CONSIDERD A FRIAND OF THE STRAWHATS BUT THEY NEVER SAY IT AT THE END?>??

TEY JUST DO THES
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/216/18-19/

WHO EVEAN KJNOWS WHAT THAT MEANS

WHRE DO THEY SAY SHE STILL THAR FRIEND??

omy785

What language is that?

Anyway, Rayleigh in chap 591 means: timeskip!

AGOG

Ummm… I don't know what is supposed to be more surprising, the idiocy of the people that obviously DON'T understand anything that simple, or the surprising morons that ASSUME stuff that isn't there.

Let's have a little recap:

AGOG says, "Look, Zephos, the line up there isn't confirmed as a fact yet…"

Sabo is alive (CORRECT)

See that, it shouldn't have "CORRECT" because it's NOT revealed at this stage in time, regardless of how much it's probable.

Two idiots though believe I'm telling you that he's "dead" because they obviously failed English.

Then, Zephos seems to start using sarcasm cause he thinks he's cool!! Once again, the point isn't about the whole "thing," it is about someone prematurely placing "CORRECT" when he's yet to have it confirmed.

JERK DISEASE

You've stuck to the grammatical side of english, but you've failed the literary side tremendously.