I would accept this if Hancock were more like Ms. Piggy. THAT is a real woman.
You've lost me, Insider.
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You've lost me, Insider.
Never compare Lola to Ms. Piggie. Never compare anyone in One Piece to Ms. Piggie.
Maybe Whitebeard, but that's about it.
And Kitsune, you lost me with Mag.
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Ummmm… Once again, the question wasn't answered. Please, don't put it off.
Ummm... Answer the question, please.
You asked why Oda would bring her back, I said exactly why.
You said this.
"explain what the significance of her being reintroduced in the first place… "
I laid out why here.
"1. Ok I gotta send each strawhat to a place. Each needs a scenario.
2. Fun ideas! Dark slave labor revolutionary plot! Bird island! Mecha island! uhhhh....clouds? Yeah....um bugs and a cult maybe. What else...
3. Oh ahahah, what if I sent one to wherever Perona went, that's be a hoot. Especially if it's Zoro, the personality clash would be fun. Kids seem to like her so they'll enjoy it. But Zoro can get stuff done too since creepy ruined castles can have ancient evils and swords and stuff.
4. Sweet, done. "Question answered.
Alright, unlikely. Reason being that Oda already decided to "remove" Perona from Thriller Bark before he even did this.
And here was his thought process there.
1. Alright big bad Kuma's here, his first real introduction.
2. I need to show him using his weird powers to make readers start getting hype off him.
3. Hmm…I need a guinea pig....
4. Ha! Perona, sure why not.This reintroduction plays off of what was left behind during the Thriller Bark stuff; her being on the Thousand Sunny with all the stuff she placed, hoping to escape.
Nothing was left behind.
Her character did nothing of value whatsoever on Thriller Barque.
It's only with her "reintroduction" that you've seen reason to think she has a higher purpose.It'd be like he's continuing where he would have left off, or "conforming" more story around her, not joshing around from his ^randomness that you thought right.
No, he is joshing around. Oda does this constantly. It's highly likely and you can't deny that whatsoever. Find a single thing faulty with the thought process I showed. Tell me what part of it Oda wouldn't do.
Oda is not as careless as you make him out to be, surely!
There is nothing careless about what I wrote. Nothing. It's entirely sensible writing without fault.
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Ok: Dreams!
Perona's: to have a country filled with cute servants and do nothing for ever.
Yeah.. that's not a main character dream, at least not a young one.You could debate it, drastically…
Viz, however, did name it "something" like that...Hancock's: to never be controlled ever again (except by her own heart) and to make Luffy happy.
Perfectly good reasons to join, if this was a romantic love oriented or romatic love even EXISTED in the setting.No. You randomly stated this on your own, it was never stated once in the manga.
Jimbei's: to keep fishman island and it's inhabitants safe, to honnor WB and Ace's last wishes and protect Luffy.
He's on a bit of a bind there, either he goes on with the dream of someone else, or stays for the safety of his nation. Either way I don't like these dreams.No, it was never stated.
I would only agree about Perona's choice, due to Viz picking something of that caliber. However, it doesn't hurt her since the "dream" lacks the resolve that is needed, nor does it seem to explain her character choices and what forced her to join Moria, in the first place.
Yeah, sure.
I'm confident it won't happen.
And even in the off chance it does, it'll take a lot of development to actually make these characters Strawhat material. Probably a couple of years at least.
"Seriously, if any of those three characters join the crew (and I'm not talking about a temporary Vivi parternship; I'm talking a flashback and a chapter titled "the Ninth Crewmate" devoted to him/her), I'll leave this forum forever. It's just not going to happen."
This is cowardly. Is all.Actually, it won't take much of any development. It only takes an island to be removed, Hancock joins…
Fishman Island being shown, Jinbei joins...
I can't deny that Perona should have the "Robin" like development and that'd take a longer time, surely, but it's a good-thing...
However, what creates tension that a character could join before FI leads to people thinking that one of those will join, rather than "no currently revealed" character joining. I'm talking about that "boss quote" though.
If it is correct, and valid, then it stands to force a character to join that basically exists, NOW!
Out of all of the characters that are around still, Jinbei, Hancock, and Perona are three of the "top" that actually follow the entire basis of the quote. So, go figure that quote out.
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Perona's reintroduction to the story is as relevant as Mr. 1's.
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But if choice D "All of them have no chance in hell" has no chance at all, but the other three ALSO have no chance at all….
Isn't that just dividing by zero?
That is exactly what this topic has become.
It's like saying LeBron might go to the Clippers.
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Next point: Taking hits!
It's a shounen, the good guys have to be losing in order for the battles to be interesting, the strawhat that has recived less damage in the story has been Nami, and the most, as of now is Luffy.
<stabs jimbei's="" foot="">: "What's wrong with you? I will teach you a lesson even if it costs me my life!"
<stabs hancock's="" foot="">: "Why you beast, I will teach you some manners, and send you to the bottom of the ocean to be fish food! How dare you to ruin my beautiful feets (maybee Luffy's a feet man, when I used my powers he didn't see my feet!)"
<stabs perona's="" foot="">:<passes out=""></passes></stabs></stabs></stabs>
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You could debate it, drastically…
Viz, however, did name it "something" like that...Straight from Stephen Swoo.
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…I'd spend it at a dark, dank, haunted, ancient castle,
singing songs of curses and having a miserable old time...
But he didn't say there wouldn't be servants!!
He didn't say I wouldn't wake up in the morning in my soft comfy bed, being served a bagel sandwich and some warm cocoa!
He didn't say I wouldn't have any adorable plushies!!
Waahhh! Where am I? Moria-sama! I want to go back to Thriller Ba... -
Who knows, could end up being more then two. For now i voted for none.
Jinbei is the only one even remotely possible as i see it, but still very unlikely.
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@Robo:
Perona's reintroduction to the story is as relevant as Mr. 1's.
Once again this guy makes sense, AGOG does not.
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@JERK:
You asked why Oda would bring her back, I said exactly why.
You said this.
"explain what the significance of her being reintroduced in the first place… "
I laid out why here.
That's not a significance for her being reintroduced… This is a "STORY POINT-OF-VIEW" shit. Come on! I'm asking you to explain WHY she must be there in the first place and what she offers... ALL characters offered something when they were reintroduced; take Bentham as a perfect example.
Now, please answer it.
"1. Ok I gotta send each strawhat to a place. Each needs a scenario.
2. Fun ideas! Dark slave labor revolutionary plot! Bird island! Mecha island! uhhhh….clouds? Yeah....um bugs and a cult maybe. What else...
3. Oh ahahah, what if I sent one to wherever Perona went, that's be a hoot. Especially if it's Zoro, the personality clash would be fun. Kids seem to like her so they'll enjoy it. But Zoro can get stuff done too since creepy ruined castles can have ancient evils and swords and stuff.
4. Sweet, done. "Question answered.
No.
And here was his thought process there.
No, that was your thought process…
1. Alright big bad Kuma's here, his first real introduction.
2. I need to show him using his weird powers to make readers start getting hype off him.
3. Hmm…I need a guinea pig....
4. Ha! Perona, sure why not.This is pointlessly getting nowhere… Must be that I'm not being "direct" and "commanding" enough to explain the question.
Let's just end this with misery; facepalm.
You are free to continuously bad mouth whatever you wish, and ignore every attempt to hold a debate with me-- as per usual.
Nothing was left behind.
Her character did nothing of value whatsoever on Thriller Barque.
It's only with her "reintroduction" that you've seen reason to think she has a higher purpose.She put shit inside, and there's now a "shiny" abundance of that shit remaining… What, oh what, does that mean and do for the FUTURE of the story plot...
No, he is joshing around. Oda does this constantly. It's highly likely and you can't deny that whatsoever. Find a single thing faulty with the thought process I showed. Tell me what part of it Oda wouldn't do.
No, it's not.
The faulty thing is that YOU think he does it, when the DUDE hasn't even spoke in that stupid point of view. It is absurd.There is nothing careless about what I wrote. Nothing. It's entirely sensible writing without fault.
Yes, there is… No, it's not. [Hopefully, I don't need to elaborate why…]
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@Robo:
Perona's reintroduction to the story is as relevant as Mr. 1's.
umm…Wrong.:ninja:
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This wouldn't be a crewmember thread without one of AGOGs dissertations.
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@Robo:
Perona's reintroduction to the story is as relevant as Mr. 1's.
Which held significance because he DID stuff during the war, escape, and has a future potential to do more shit, in the future…
She, hasn't shown anything clearly to what reason she's being brought back.
No, they're not the same because SHE didn't fight in the war, and SHE doesn't have any chance to do so...
Next point: Taking hits!
It's a shounen, the good guys have to be losing in order for the battles to be interesting, the strawhat that has recived less damage in the story has been Nami, and the most, as of now is Luffy.
<stabs jimbei's="" foot="">: "What's wrong with you? I will teach you a lesson even if it costs me my life!"
<stabs hancock's="" foot="">: "Why you beast, I will teach you some manners, and send you to the bottom of the ocean to be fish food! How dare you to ruin my beautiful feets (maybee Luffy's a feet man, when I used my powers he didn't see my feet!)"
<stabs perona's="" foot="">:<passes out=""></passes></stabs></stabs></stabs>
Please, establish a tally of how many times Nami and Robin [WOMEN] got hurt…
Then, compare Perona to those women in terms of trying to make a point... Cause, she's going to be MORE consistent with them, rather than the males.
@JERK:Straight from Stephen Swoo.
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…I'd spend it at a dark, dank, haunted, ancient castle,
singing songs of curses and having a miserable old time...
But he didn't say there wouldn't be servants!!
He didn't say I wouldn't wake up in the morning in my soft comfy bed, being served a bagel sandwich and some warm cocoa!
He didn't say I wouldn't have any adorable plushies!!
Waahhh! Where am I? Moria-sama! I want to go back to Thriller Ba...It's the wrong page, her "dream" statement was was was was was way before this page; in fact, it was during Thriller Bark!
Furthermore, Steven doesn't "state" it as a "dream" specifically, unlike Viz.
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I dont like the fact that we'll probably have to wait til the end of fishman Island arc to know if jimbei will join or not. Though if jimbei goes with luffy to fishman island, since well they both heading there basicly, then I see him staying there to take care of it rather than leaving with luffy.
I do like Perona a lot as an interesting character but she was presented like a side villain character with a weak heart/ambition or something to that effect. She doesnt have many main character qualities but she may be able to grow and present a real legit dream besides being a lil princess; should the story go that way. I really want a new girl crew member.
I can see hancock joining, if not being an ally like the new world captains were WB's allies. One problem I have with her joining though is that she has a very strong presence and would take screen time away from the other characters. I just dont see her in the background; the crew would change a lot.
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I still hold that AGOG is the Great Wall of China personified. Arguing with him is like arguing with a wall and his posts make every page so long you can see it from space.
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I still hold that AGOG is the Great Wall of China personified. Arguing with him is like arguing with a wall and his posts make every page so long you can see it from space.
Please, do me a favor and read the thread, the topic, and then understand fully that you obviously aren't following neither of them.
Cool?
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I really doubt any of them would join, but I gave the vote to Hancock, just because I've been thinking about it for awhile, but after typing this I think it's more like I want Hancock to join, but Jinbei is most likely to join. I just didn't want to say none of the above. And I need to stop writing long posts of my thoughts all at once.
I really don't see any reason why people think Perona's gonna join.
Jinbei and Hancock are interesting. I thought of some nice parallels between the two.
Both like Luffy. And I think even though they have much more experience, they'd be willing to follow Luffy. Jinbei has the loyal follower vibe while Hancock would listen to anything Luffy says.
Both seem to be way too strong for the crew. They could be even stronger than Luffy and this would change the dynamics of strength on the ship.
Both also seem to lack any special skills that would make them part of the crew. Queen? Obi-wan mentor? They'd be like Zoro but won't have first mate status.
They're also opposites in why I don't really think either would join.
Jinbei lacks the quirks found in the Strawhats but has the motivation and lack of circumstances to join the crew.
Hancock's the opposite. She's interesting but has too much baggage to just leave behind.I gave the vote to Hancock because I've been thinking about her joining and thought it would be interesting. I'm not a storyteller though so I'm probably gonna be wrong.
Hancock has a lot going for her as a Strawhat:
She has a backstory.
She's quirky.
She wants to be by Luffy's side.And I think her interactions with Nami and Robin could be interesting. The guys fight all the time but it'd be funny to watch Hancock/Nami argue. I guess Hancock/Robin too but I can't see Robin being what I'm gonna call "bitchy"
Sanji and Brooke would do the same ol' with Hancock too. Don't know how'd Usopp, Zoro, or Franky would act around her.Hancock's love for Luffy doesn't have to go anywhere. It'd be like Sanji when he's around women too.
BUT some major changes must happen to Amazon Lily along with Hancock's Warlord status before this could happen. No way she could just up and join his crew without serious repercussions.
Jinbei is the opposite because he has really nothing holding him back from joining the crew. In fact he has motivation to join the Luffy. He's crewless right now, has no Warlord status to shackle him, and not only promised Ace to watch over Luffy (if anybody's reading this can you tell me where this promise was made? I'm pretty sure it was but I can't remember when) but owes Luffy a debt due to Arlong.
But, Jinbei is too serious? bland? meh? I can't describe it. Before the recent chapter I didn't even think he was that interesting.
It's very similar to when Robin joined the crew, except Luffy and Jinbei aren't enemies. Robin in Alabasta was there to move the plot, but there wasn't any great traits that made her seem like Strawhat material, like Jinbei. This could easily change and Oda would make it good.
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Please, do me a favor and read the thread, the topic, and then understand fully that you obviously aren't following neither of them.
Cool?
I read it. But all you do is reply with a wall of text, ignoring or writing off other peoples valid points without any reason to, and spamming this huge wall of baseless fanboy opinion.
Now, I'll ask YOU to do me a favor and learn what good writing is and why Perona can't join because it goes against good writing. -
@Robo:
Perona's reintroduction to the story is as relevant as Mr. 1's.
So I take it you missed the whole war and escape from prison thing; whatever I vote none of the above.
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That's not a significance for her being reintroduced…
Yes, it is. That's the reason Oda reintroduced her. And an undeniable possibility you must acknowledge.
This is a "STORY POINT-OF-VIEW" shit. Come on! I'm asking you to explain WHY she must be there in the first place and what she offers… ALL characters offered something when they were reintroduced; take Bentham as a perfect example.
She offers some more entertainment for her admittingly large fanbase, she offers a comic foil to serious Zoro on his mini-adventure, and gives him someone to interact with in the first place.
These are purposes, this is what low level supporting cast do.I don't know why you kid yourself into thinking you're a master literature expert.
Have you ever taken any schooling whatsoever on creative writing? Any at all? You speak of MUSTS and HAVE TOs that don't exist, you sound like a gibbering amateur.Now, please answer it.
I have. Are you stonewalling AGOG? Because even you aren't this way normally. Don't close off that tiny tunnel in my heart that thinks of sparing you, because you're doing that right now with this.
No, that was your thought process…
His hypothetical process, exactly like your suggestion.
This is pointlessly getting no where… Must be that I'm not being "direct" and "commanding" enough to explain the question.
The best I can tell is your convinced of some nonexistant literary standard reoccuring characters have to follow. Don't pull this bluff with an actual Creative Writing major.
You are free to continuously bad mouth whatever you wish, and ignore every attempt to hold a debate with me– as per usual.
It's telling that you should make this in response to what is probably one of my most civil level headed debates I've had in awhile.
She put shit inside, and there's now a "shiny" abundance of that shit remaining… What, oh what, does that mean and do for the FUTURE of the story plot...
Nothing. Perona never showed any attachment to that gold, which wasn't even hers considering she pilfered it from Moria in a heat of panic. She has stated her current problems, and they involve lack of slaves and relaxation, she has shown zero interest in money that was hers for all of a few minutes. It's not a precious possession in any sense. She doesn't care about it.
No, it's not.
The faulty thing is that YOU think he does it, when the DUDE hasn't even spoke in that stupid point of view. It is absurd.Are you denying that Oda puts in aspects and characters for the sake of having a more fun story? Yes or no.
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Please, establish a tally of how many times Nami and Robin [WOMEN] got hurt…
Then, compare Perona to those women in terms of trying to make a point... Cause, she's going to be MORE consistent with them, rather than the males.
No, I'm lazy, I'll go with "on the top of my head".
Nami vs Fishman pirates: Self inflicted wounds that would make perona faint.
Nami vs Mr.3: A situation of hopelesness that would make perona faint.
Nami vs Ms Doublefinger: A stab in the foot that would make perona faint.
Nami vs Enel: Redirecting a thunder being's powers, a situation that would turn perona into a crisp.
Nami vs Satori's brothers: Using a weapon that hurts the user, that would make perona faint.
Nami vs Kalifa: A situation that the user takes a weird shape, perona would be distracted by the shinny and got hit by the weakest and stupidest member of cp9.
Nami vs Absalom: No damage
Nami vs Oars: No damage, but a situation that would make perona cry for her life and escape her fellow crewmembers. Cannon.
Nami and crew in the battle of hopelesness: Perona would have splited up when the first pacifista arived.
Robin has taken _far_more damage than Nami. Oars's punches, the shadow stealing, the hook impalment, enel's bitchslap, fucking spandam abuse, and that's not touching Ohara incident, even if it wasn't phisical damage, the only reason that perona would go on under the same circunstances is because she is a selfish brat who wouldn't care for her home island to be blown up because it isn't "cute enough".
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@Superbear:
So I take it you missed the whole war and escape from prison thing; whatever I vote none of the above.
Name 1 thing Mr. 1 did that was noteworthy and not just a cameo during the escape and war. All he was there for was to be Croc's minion. He was no more important than the prisoners following Buggy.
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I am still holding out for a female fishman!
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@Superbear:
So I take it you missed the whole war and escape from prison thing; whatever I vote none of the above.
Please remind of one thing he did that could not have been done with any random character. All he did was fight alongside crocodile and maybe make a side comment or two. After the war he faded further into the black.
EDIT: LOLED said the same thing already.
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AGOG, show us Perona's "dream".
Also I want you to tell me what you think of this.
Tintin is a famous loved comic series. In the book The Red Sea Sharks, Herge shows us the german terrorist agent Mueller again, we last saw him brought to justice by Tintin and put into the prison of the arabian Emir of the region. That Emir has been diposed in Red Sea Sharks, so Herge shows us Mueller now out of prison and commanding soldiers for the new regime.
All Mueller does is make a few commands on the phone in a gag scene where he sends tanks and fighter planes out but gets misheard so that his own planes bomb their tanks. Tintin and Haddock escape due to this into the desert.
We never see Mueller again.
What was his purpose in this mini-scene. Why did Herge bring him back.
1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
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@JERK:
AGOG, show us Perona's "dream".
Tea, a tuna sandwhich, and a boob grabbing hug from a giant teddy bear that doesn't talk.
But seriously, Perona has nothing to her in terms of REAL depth. We haven't had a moment where she just pauses and seems human. All of her emotions have been nothing but cowardice or childish.
Unless Oda pulled a makeshift and had Zoro learn her entire life story, I don't see this happening at all.
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Name 1 thing Mr. 1 did that was noteworthy and not just a cameo during the escape and war. All he was there for was to be Croc's minion. He was no more important than the prisoners following Buggy.
Significance acquired, plus he was sandbag fodder for Mihawk so he wouldn't to Luffy as quickly.
Honestly though dude I'm not really for or against any of the people above, because as you all know; no matter how angrily post the final decision is up to the author. Now if any of you are right, you have the God given right to gloat and shun the non-believers of their ignorance and stupidity, but until the chapter comes out we can only wait in uncertainty.
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@JERK:
AGOG, show us Perona's "dream"
Is that the one where she is being chased by the pedobear?
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I read it. But all you do is reply with a wall of text, ignoring or writing off other peoples valid points without any reason to, and spamming this huge wall of baseless fanboy opinion.
Lord. Do you know what on earth you are talking about… Seriously, you've probably never read MY posts, and read all the whining that comes when I'm not posting...
Show me a valid "point" and I'll sit and listen. If you don't have one, then just ponder until you do.
Now, I'll ask YOU to do me a favor and learn what good writing is and why Perona can't join because it goes against good writing.
What's "good" writing isn't something to be proud of. It's practically the equivalence of "crappy mediocre" writing…
Good is average, at best. And, for my entertainment, I hope OP doesn't try and aim that low...
Personally speaking, Perona joining doesn't go against writing; it changes it and goes against patterns. Fact is, Perona is a recurring character and her joining would lift the iron gate that closes out "recurring characters" from even being able to take the role of a main character role--leaving practically "any" character to have a chance to join as the final character.
With this, it leads the writer to have more "fun" and allows him to make the writing beyond mediocre since he'll be able to play around with possibilities now. It literally allows him to remove predictability from his writing, because it could be something where Oda could literally have any character from the past come and join; like an old nemesis or a former comrade for an arc.
Not only that, having Perona join would offer him a chance to deal with a closure for that character like he has stuck to doing with other characters, such as Wapol, Eneru, and so on. She would have a more "expanded" one, of course, and it'd be something you'd see...
Heck, I'll stop since this will obviously get lengthy as I am in the mood to deepen the contrast. Just to state it frank: you're able to think this way, but your definition of "writing" isn't what Oda follows, and therefore you wouldn't even be able to peel a banana as a consolation prize for using this… It's simply your biased opinion; closed off mind that can't even hope to change.
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@Superbear:
Significance acquired, plus he was sandbag fodder for Mihawk so he wouldn't to Luffy as quickly.
Honestly though dude I'm not really for or against any of the people above, because as you all know; no matter how angrily post the final decision is up to the author. Now if any of you are right, you have the God given right to gloat and shun the non-believers of their ignorance and stupidity, but until the chapter comes out we can only wait in uncertainty.
Thanks for laying down the law bad poster that nobody likes.
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Jinbei has the best chance out of the three, and will most likely stay at Fishman Island after he accompanies the SH's there. Hancock has no chance, outside of her silly little crush.
Perona I have no idea why people want her in the crew, even if she had a chance.
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@JERK:
Thanks for laying down the law bad poster that nobody likes.
You're welcome;hope you get what you want.
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Not a dream, but a reason to go to hell..
Oh, this one is worse, She wants a country full of slaves! Saint charlos for nakama!!!
With all due respect, those links don't work.
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Here's a good way of looking at it.
If the characters motive was turned into a showstopping Broadway number about what makes them tick, would it be dramatic or goofy.
1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
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Shoot, I know I should answer 'None of them have a chance in hell,' but the question was 'Which of the three has the best chance in joining,' so that disqualifies that answer for me.
I vote Jinbei. Of all the three, not only could he train Luffy, plus have a close relationship with him due to the whole Ace dying thing, but if there is a timeskip, maybe, just maybe, the Strawhats could become just skilled/powerful enough that having him as a member wouldn't cause him to overshadow the rest of the crew.
…Still don't think the chances are too high though.
...
I have to confess, by that same token, Hancock is eligible, but I don't like Hancock. Never liked her, and I hope someday Smoker bitch slaps her for that annoying interference in the war (Favorite Character vs Most Hated Character=A lot of fanboy investment in a fight). -
I wonder, if you eat a fishman would that count as cannibalism?
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With all due respect, those links don't work.
fucking onemanga personal links new policies(sp)… Try these.
Not a dream, but a reason to go to hell..
Oh, this one is worse, She wants a country full of slaves! Saint charlos for nakama!!!
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I voted Hancock because I feel she'll be the most recent to join. As for Jimbei, I'll support him till the end of Fishman Island Arc. I'm find with Perona, but she really doesn't have that much dept to her personality.
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@JERK:
Here's a good way of looking at it.
If the characters motive was turned into a showstopping Broadway number about what makes them tick, would it be dramatic or goofy.
I'm liking this.
Jinbei: From what I can see, he obviously has emotional connections with his fellow fishmen, not to mention his connection with Arlong. For the most part, it would be dramatic.
Hancock: Her facade to make herself feel all powerful and above everyone else is goofy, but her trauma of her enslavement is very much dramatic. I'd say dramatic.
Perona: 95% goofy. This entirely based on the fact that we know nothing 'serious' about her. She has no true emotion. Granted, this could change in the future, but at the same time, this bolds the fact that Perona has no true motivation at all to be a Strawhat, let alone, a serious pirate.
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None of them will join, I think. Jimbei has the best chance, given his latest actions, but his role is Luffy's therapist right now, not the best role for a main character.
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@JERK:
Here's a good way of looking at it.
If the characters motive was turned into a showstopping Broadway number about what makes them tick, would it be dramatic or goofy.
XD
"I want to be free!! My destiny's master! the man who I love!! I'm at his side or him at mine, that's the only bind that my heart will take"
"My homeland ravaged by evil, sold my services to those who slave my kind, and that wasn't enough, but then he came, as a father and as god of the sea!!!
My life will be given, if I can protect him! because my debt is soo depth like the sea that he rules!!"
"They have to be cuuuuuteeee <kawaiii>they have to be zombies <ewww un-kawaiiii="">and they have to obey my every whim!!! That's what this ghost princess is meant to be!!!"</ewww></kawaiii>
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It would be funny to see Hancock look "down" upon the mermaid queen's beauty. I wonder will this chapter be called the ninth?
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Chapter 600: Zoro arrives at Shabondy, floating on Perona's corpse, which he'd used as a raft for crossing the sea
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Chapter 600: Zoro arrives at Shabondy, floating on Perona's corpse, which he'd used as a raft for crossing the sea
Wait, would it sink?
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@JERK:
Yes, it is. That's the reason Oda reintroduced her. And an undeniable possibility you must acknowledge.
Wow. Moving on…
She offers some more entertainment for her admittingly large fanbase, she offers a comic foil to serious Zoro on his mini-adventure, and gives him someone to interact with in the first place.
These are purposes, this is what low level supporting cast do.I'm seriously wondering what's difficult about "significance" …
I don't know why you kid yourself into thinking you're a master literature expert.
Have you ever taken any schooling whatsoever on creative writing? Any at all? You speak of MUSTS and HAVE TOs that don't exist, you sound like a gibbering amateur.No, I'm just asking you a simple question that even a toddler could answer, hopefully… You seem to be misunderstanding what the question is. Heck, it doesn't even HAVE anything to do with literature, probably...
Nonetheless, the question was avoided and you apparently didn't get what that question asked.
Yes, I've taken several courses on English, and such. What's the point? Asking for a "significance" of a single event shouldn't be something that you cannot provide an answer, so what's the point of this?
I have. Are you stonewalling AGOG? Because even you aren't this way normally. Don't close off that tiny tunnel in my heart that thinks of sparing you, because you're doing that right now with this.
Again, answer it. "Significance," what is it when examining Perona's reintroduction…
His hypothetical process, exactly like your suggestion.
No. It's not his process…
The best I can tell is your convinced of some nonexistant literary standard reoccuring characters have to follow. Don't pull this bluff with an actual Creative Writing major.
Oh come on… Oda obviously "dares" to use characters to at least some degree, and doesn't randomly forgot about them midway through the arc. He obviously has a reason to have a character even appear there. Same should apply to Perona... Why is she there, and so on... What does she provide, and so on...
Those are the questions.
It's telling that you should make this in response to what is probably one of my most civil level headed debates I've had in awhile.
Ummm… Alright.
Nothing. Perona never showed any attachment to that gold, which wasn't even hers considering she pilfered it from Moria in a heat of panic. She has stated her current problems, and they involve lack of slaves and relaxation, she has shown zero interest in money that was hers for all of a few minutes. It's not a precious possession in any sense. She doesn't care about it.
Prove that it belongs to Moria. There's no claim that it belongs to any character, solely, however, it might hint that Perona is the owner.
Yes, she also has a personality that is being expressed. When you read and watch all her interactions, she is often pictured as a character that usually "loses track of what she's doing and getting carried away…" and, to her knowledge, the "treasure" is something she currently lost track and would "regain" when she saw it in front of her.
You can't comment that she "cares little about it" when we have yet to even hear what she "thinks" about it, from her mouth. If you disagree, provide proof.
Are you denying that Oda puts in aspects and characters for the sake of having a more fun story? Yes or no.
Yes. I am denying that Oda will fuck up his story by randomly adding random characters that have no reason to be there, in the story.
@Robo:Please remind of one thing he did that could not have been done with any random character. All he did was fight alongside crocodile and maybe make a side comment or two. After the war he faded further into the black.
EDIT: LOLED said the same thing already.
Significance of him being there is to fight during the war, and help Luffy escape. What he did also allowed people to evaluate Mihawk's superiority towards Zoro. Giving confirmation on that part.
What he could do in the future is unknown, but he's a henchman on the prowl… Only time will tell if he "does" something more.
But, fighting in the war was significant. He was a third party, by the way. Furthermore, you could argue that his presence allowed Crocodile to "save" Jinbei and Luffy from Akainu at the very end... Because, probably, without Mr. 1 being there, perhaps Crocodile wouldn't have done all that he had done, after Mr. 1 got injured.
@JERK:AGOG, show us Perona's "dream".
Only Viz Media stated it. No other "translation" stated it.
Also I want you to tell me what you think of this.
Tintin is a famous loved comic series. In the book The Red Sea Sharks, Herge shows us the german terrorist agent Mueller again, we last saw him brought to justice by Tintin and put into the prison of the arabian Emir of the region. That Emir has been diposed in Red Sea Sharks, so Herge shows us Mueller now out of prison and commanding soldiers for the new regime.
All Mueller does is make a few commands on the phone in a gag scene where he sends tanks and fighter planes out but gets misheard so that his own planes bomb their tanks. Tintin and Haddock escape due to this into the desert.
We never see Mueller again.
What was his purpose in this mini-scene. Why did Herge bring him back.
As shown up there, "Tintin and Haddock escape due to this into the desert."
I don't know what that "comic" is, so I don't have the education on the subject to understand what impact he had done prior to that incident, and what was so important over those two characters escaping– and what not.
But, his significance is that during that incident, he let those two escape on account of that call.
@Insider2000:Tea, a tuna sandwhich, and a boob grabbing hug from a giant teddy bear that doesn't talk.
But seriously, Perona has nothing to her in terms of REAL depth. We haven't had a moment where she just pauses and seems human. All of her emotions have been nothing but cowardice or childish.
Unless Oda pulled a makeshift and had Zoro learn her entire life story, I don't see this happening at all.
Well, the manga leaves it open to the point where it "suggests" that Perona wants to live for something– despite her being in the situation she was in. She seems to endure anything that happens, and there might be depth as to why she does so...
I think that this sort of "adrenaline" should be evaluated more closer because of all those highly-emotional situations she's placed in; near death, near death again, extreme loneliness, and so on.
She's yet to be put into a "normal" situation and that's the issue.
Furthermore, I believe that she's going to play her part if she joins-- she ought to be the "little sister" figure that is childish.
Oda doesn't need to "show" her past in order for her to tag along with them... He can "do it" later in the story, and connect it to some "future event" that they may need to deal with later on.
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@Superbear:
Wait, would it sink?
I don't know; I haven't read chapter 600 yet.
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The best I could come up with, really, is that Jinbei will accompany Luffy as far as the next island after Sabondy + crew meetup (which is hopefully the one we've all been waiting on for…a while, now), but he likely won't be joining as a nakama. Having a schichibukai on the team just doesn't sit well with me.
As for Hancock joining, the same reasoning above applies here - she's just way too powerful. Despite a dramatic past, I can't really imagine a good chemistry between her and the rest of the crew. That said, I have NO idea how Oda's planning to reconcile that love sickness she has.
Perona? It's definitely more plausible than the other two, in my opinion, given she isn't insanely powerful. Yes, this sparks the debate over whether or not her ability is broken or not...I don't think it is - try imagining her ghosts sucking the spirit out of someone as powerful as Whitebeard or someone like Shanks. I think her ability has a limit we haven't seen, but of course it's just speculation right now. Do I want Perona to join the crew? No.
Barring all three, the person I want most to join Luffy's crew (if it's going to be someone we've seen in the series so far) is Marguerite. I really enjoy her character and she'd probably get along great with the rest of the crew - she'd marvel at Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji being guys...she'd flip her head at a talking skeleton and a talking reindeer (though given Hancock's sisters turn into snakes, the relationship with Chopper might be less skepticism and more sibling-like), and I'm sure Nami and Robin would enjoy having another female to balance things out.
If they pick up Marguerite here, this leaves the door wide open for the (presumably) last crewmate to be a fishman/woman or merman/woman.
tl;dr - Jinbei and Hancock are schishibukai and might disrupt crew balance, Perona is probably the most likely to join but I still don't want her to. My guess is on Marguerite and a 'half-fish' later on!
