Timeskip Predictions
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I don't like the fact that Luffy will be under 20 when he becomes Pirate King. Bit unrealistic.
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@$abZ:
I don't like the fact that Luffy will be under 20 when he becomes Pirate King. Bit unrealistic.
Because it has been said the rest of One Piece will take place in less than 2 years, right?
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I still feel that after the flashback there will be a dozen or so episodes about the crew members making their way back to Shabondy before luffy actually recovers. It would make sense to me to do this after 20 episodes of virtually no other crew members to switch to only crew members other than Luffy for a while; it feels like we've been set up for that.
Just like I feel like we are being set up for Jimbei joining the crew.
I like it. I also got the feeling After the FlashBack we see the characters sailing back.
Oda didnt make a Cover chapter about them sailing back.
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@JERK:
The two big fight chapters before he finally whips out Gear2.
410 and most of 418. This is where you see normal Luffy fighting Lucci.
Necessary in what sense?
Absolute bullshit.Prove it that it is "bullshit" in every way and form! Nonetheless, it's not that Luffy is getting stronger as he fights, he's getting more experienced! He didn't get stronger as he fought Crocodile three times– Eventually, he gained more experience and started to ignore whatever advantage Crocodile held to defeat him, by all he did.
Then, when you skip forward to his fights against Enel, he only gained experience against the mind reading technique (Mantra) and pretty much was able to overcome the Logia ability itself.
Davy Back Fight, same thing: he gained experience after being exposed to Noro Noro no Mi and then eventually found a way to defeat it.
From the story's point of view, the only time Luffy has ever trained was on Amazon Lily for those brief moments. Never had he dared to "train" at all, never!
In spite of the fact that the characters constantly refer to strength?
"Strength" can mean willpower and the like– don't assume it means strictly PHYSICAL POWER or something dubious.
It is beyond assumption that characters were gradually faster as the adventure went on.
Speed is fixed, Kuro was stated to be on par with Soru (just a rough version of it) meanwhile, Kizaru is in a league of his very own. Kuro was faster than Crocodile, Wapol, Mr. 3, Krieg, Arlong, etc. He was pretty much the fastest individual Luffy fought, excluding Enel. Then, came CP9– the less "rough" speed modifiers were the fastest, excluding Enel, that Luffy fought up to that point.
After that, it was not until Kizaru made an appearance that we didn't see a speed of someone faster than pretty much all characters.
Naturally: Enel and Kizaru are the fastest characters Luffy ever fought. He defeated Enel, yes... However, it wasn't a fight based on speed and the like, just a FIGHT it was! Kizaru destroyed him and everything he was.
Second: people like CP9, Kuro, Vice Admirals that used Soru, and perhaps Coby were the second most fastest people he fought; furthermore, Gear Second is faster than their techniques.
So, no. The speed doesn't increase every time, the speed is pretty low, however, there's a group that brought it to another level, CP9. Luffy's natural speed is slower than Lucci's Soru, however, his natural speed can do what he could do against Kuro against the CP9 people; not able to beat them in speed, but he can barely keep up. His Gear Second is much faster than Soru, and only slower than Enel and Kizaru since we've seen their techniques.
You could include Kuma's devil fruit if you wanted, but we've never had a fair assessment of his.
Luffy's stopping of Kuro in that one instance is absolutely nowhere near the same thing as what he does later when he adapts to Soru speed.
It is the same thing, dude. Prove to me it isn't, cause Oda said in SBS that it was pretty much the same speed– just "rough."
Training is what? Tell me what it is? And I'll tell you when he's done it.
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Prove it that it is "bullshit" in every way and form! Nonetheless, it's not that Luffy is getting stronger as he fights, he's getting more experienced! He didn't get stronger as he fought Crocodile three times– Eventually, he gained more experience and started to ignore whatever advantage Crocodile held to defeat him, by all he did.
Then, when you skip forward to his fights against Enel, he only gained experience against the mind reading technique (Mantra) and pretty much was able to overcome the Logia ability itself.
Davy Back Fight, same thing: he gained experience after being exposed to Noro Noro no Mi and then eventually found a way to defeat it.
From the story's point of view, the only time Luffy has ever trained was on Amazon Lily for those brief moments. Never had he dared to "train" at all, never!
Oh that's cute, assuming things.
"Strength" can mean willpower and the like– don't assume it means strictly PHYSICAL POWER or something dubious.
Yeah because the lines of dialogue it gets used in totally phrase it as such.
Context bitch.Speed is fixed, Kuro was stated to be on par with Soru (just a rough version of it) meanwhile, Kizaru is in a league of his very own. Kuro was faster than Crocodile, Wapol, Mr. 3, Krieg, Arlong, etc. He was pretty much the fastest individual Luffy fought, excluding Enel. Then, came CP9– the less "rough" speed modifiers were the fastest, excluding Enel, that Luffy fought up to that point.
NKKK, wrong.
Kuro's one move was as fast as Soru. The move he had zero control over and was thus infinitely weaker then the control stronger faster people had more normally. To say nothing of CP9 who could go just as fast as the technique but with full control.
I love how you pretend one uncontrollable berserking technique makes him universally better then everyone between him and CP9 on speed, it makes no sense.
After that, it was not until Kizaru made an appearance that we didn't see a speed of someone faster than pretty much all characters.
Except you know, Rayleigh, Whitebeard, etc.
Who don't have special techniques or devil fruits allowing them to do so either.Naturally: Enel and Kizaru are the fastest characters Luffy ever fought. He defeated Enel, yes… However, it wasn't a fight based on speed and the like, just a FIGHT it was! Kizaru destroyed him and everything he was.
Luffy hasn't fought Kizaru aside from getting punched a few random times.
Second: people like CP9, Kuro, Vice Admirals that used Soru, and perhaps Coby were the second most fastest people he fought; furthermore, Gear Second is faster than their techniques.
Whitebeard and Rayleigh weren't using Soru, yet were keeping up with Kizaru. This alone destroys your fantastical heiarchy here.
So, no. The speed doesn't increase every time, the speed is pretty low, however, there's a group that brought it to another level, CP9. Luffy's natural speed is slower than Lucci's Soru, however, his natural speed can do what he could do against Kuro against the CP9 people; not able to beat them in speed, but he can barely keep up. His Gear Second is much faster than Soru, and only slower than Enel and Kizaru since we've seen their techniques.
Explain Rayleigh keeping up with Kizaru if not the ability to physically raise himself into being capable of greater speeds not based on techniques or Devil Fruits.
It is the same thing, dude. Prove to me it isn't, cause Oda said in SBS that it was pretty much the same speed– just "rough."
Oda said they were the same speed, he didn't say a word about how Luffy stopped them. You're completely ignoring Luffy's actual actions in both scenes as well as that the two techniques are completely different aside from having the same speed.
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When that interview came out where Oda compared Cp9 to Kuro I was shocked cos Kuro is so gay
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Prove it that it is "bullshit" in every way and form! Nonetheless, it's not that Luffy is getting stronger as he fights, he's getting more experienced! He didn't get stronger as he fought Crocodile three times– Eventually, he gained more experience and started to ignore whatever advantage Crocodile held to defeat him, by all he did.
the guy above pretty much said everything that needed to be said, I'd like to add that Luffy has gotten markedly stronger as he has been fighting, strength feat against kuro: lifts up rock (with lots of effort), strength feat in skypeia: carries gold ball much heavier while running jumping climbing etc, strength feat before cp9: pushes two buildings apart while in a highly compromised and poor leverage position.
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@JERK:
Oh that's cute, assuming things.
Oh that's cute, cannot "compute," eh?
Yeah because the lines of dialogue it gets used in totally phrase it as such.
Context bitch.Prove it, smart stuff… Refer to that "context" yourself, Zephos-- mind you, it can mean "strength" as in practically anything.
No, it's more talking about "guts" than "grits" and that's the "strength" it mentions, not the one where Luffy's POWER LEVEL is OVER 900000000 or something of that sort.
NKKK, wrong.
Kuro's one move was as fast as Soru. The move he had zero control over and was thus infinitely weaker then the control stronger faster people had more normally. To say nothing of CP9 who could go just as fast as the technique but with full control.
I love how you pretend one uncontrollable berserking technique makes him universally better then everyone between him and CP9 on speed, it makes no sense.
Yes, that one TECHNIQUE is universally better than anyone else in SPEED because it is since those "anyone else" never had anything close to it, or even had any "context" to state so.
Try again, my point stands.
Furthermore, that one "technique" was similar to Soru, even though it wasn't controlled– which we weren't talking about. So, Luffy caught that shit, which means, he could catch the "Soru" which was controlled...
Usually wild and chaotic things are more difficult to handle than tamed and ordered things. Since, you could predict things, right?
Except you know, Rayleigh, Whitebeard, etc.
Who don't have special techniques or devil fruits allowing them to do so either.Whitebeard and Rayleigh were slower than Kizaru. What planet were you on when you missed that?
Luffy hasn't fought Kizaru aside from getting punched a few random times.
Marineford, he got smacked about and sent flying… Do me a favor and look up what "fight" means before I have to do so myself. Thanks, bitch.
Whitebeard and Rayleigh weren't using Soru, yet were keeping up with Kizaru. This alone destroys your fantastical heiarchy here.
No they weren't, use that "context" and you may be able to notice those people weren't doing any of the sort… Rayleigh was just running out of the side and what's his name deadbeard was just blocked Kizaru's charged laser. Other than that, there's really nothing there-- you know.
Furthermore, all Rayleigh did was SWORDFIGHT and stand still. Kizaru was far faster-- however, he didn't move around because of the sword Rayleigh was moving in a single direction.
Explain Rayleigh keeping up with Kizaru if not the ability to physically raise himself into being capable of greater speeds not based on techniques or Devil Fruits.
He didn't keep up. Kizaru fought him using a weapon rather than doing something else. Where have we seen Kizaru act stupid before? I wonder.
Oda said they were the same speed, he didn't say a word about how Luffy stopped them. You're completely ignoring Luffy's actual actions in both scenes as well as that the two techniques are completely different aside from having the same speed.
I'm not even talking about how they were stopped… I'm talking about how Luffy was physically able to do it. Meaning, he was on the pace of that speed.
You can't "hit" what you can't touch, right?
We're still on speed, dude. Been on speed since the start. Furthermore, the initial argument is that "Luffy's stats in base" are pretty much the same through out the few weeks he entered the Grand Line, and from the few weeks he possibly started his journey. Those "Stats" never grew much, if any. Unlike Zoro and maybe other characters.
And?:wassat:
@Herackles:When that interview came out where Oda compared Cp9 to Kuro I was shocked cos Kuro is so gay
Ok… :blink:
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AGOG what do you think about luffys body adapting to gear second. Would you still say that luffy don't become stronger?
And what about his willpower leaking more and more out? I mean you said yourself that willpower is considered as strength.
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AGOG what do you think about luffys body adapting to gear second. Would you still say that luffy don't become stronger?
And what about his willpower leaking more and more out? I mean you said yourself that willpower is considered as strength.
That has nothing to do with his physical body, the "will power" stuff…
Sure, the technique concerning his body adaption is more about "experience" and stuff.
I've covered all of this in this thread.
Oh great Monkey, educate me what I need to do...
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That has nothing to do with his physical body, the "will power" stuff…
Why would luffy being able to use willpower against motobaro if he doesn't become stronger over the time?
Sure, the technique concerning his body adaption is more about "experience" and stuff.
This isn't really that complicated AGOG. He gets tired of pumping blood at high speed through his body. Becoming more endurant means the body becomes stronger to be able to stay longer in gear second.
Or would you tell me that the difference between me and haile gebrselassie is only experience? -
That's really the fantastic thing about your argument AGOG, all it needs to die is one example, of which there are plentiful ones. Go ahead answer the bottom question in Monkey's post.
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Of course Luffy got stronger… He is the hero, we are all watching is progression. He wasn't Pirate King material on chapter one, he is getting there, little by little.
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We're still on speed, dude. Been on speed since the start. Furthermore, the initial argument is that "Luffy's stats in base" are pretty much the same through out the few weeks he entered the Grand Line, and from the few weeks he possibly started his journey. Those "Stats" never grew much, if any.
[hide]A while back I made an analogy using a baseball player swinging a bat, but throwing a baseball works better; basically, when you throw a baseball with all of your strength, you lose control because you have no reserve strength or time to control where you throw the ball. As you get stronger, you can throw the ball at the same speed while using less strength, allowing more control. This is the difference I see between Kuro and the CP9. Kuro would basically use all his strength to move at that speed, but had no control because all of his strength was going into the speed. The CP9, with their "superhuman" strength, could perform the same movement techniques without exhausting all of the power, and would thus easily be able to navigate where they move.[/hide]You know, Oda's not perfect, right? That's why he makes those gag-excuses in the SBS all the time, to cover his errors. Him saying Kuro's Shakushi is as fast as soru doesn't mean they are both the same speed, always. If I were to correct Oda, I would say they are both similar techniques in how they are executed, but the speed itself varies based on the strength of the user. I put my baseball analogy in hide tags above to help explain. Anyway, it should be obvious to everyone that the CP9 had varying levels of soru. Lucci, for example, is obviously faster than Blueno, who is obviously faster than Coby, yet they are all using the same technique. Luffy tells us how the move works, so the stronger you are physically, the faster you can move with better control. CP9 > Kuro in just about every way. The fact that Luffy not only kept up with Blueno's much faster movement shows he had become much faster than when he fought Kuro, who he could only hit on reflex.
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Let me get this straight AGOG.
Luffy was as of physical maturity into a young adult male.
Naturally capable of bursting a huge pair of buildings in two simply by pushing on them with zero aid of either Gear or rubber powers. -
I can't believe that he's seriously trying to argue that Luffy hasn't been getting physically stronger over the course of the story.
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Why would luffy being able to use willpower against motobaro if he doesn't become stronger over the time?
This isn't really that complicated AGOG. He gets tired of pumping blood at high speed through his body. Becoming more endurant means the body becomes stronger to be able to stay longer in gear second.
Or would you tell me that the difference between me and haile gebrselassie is only experience?Surprisingly; yes, it is experience…
Interesting?
@brennen.exe:[hide]A while back I made an analogy using a baseball player swinging a bat, but throwing a baseball works better; basically, when you throw a baseball with all of your strength, you lose control because you have no reserve strength or time to control where you throw the ball. As you get stronger, you can throw the ball at the same speed while using less strength, allowing more control. This is the difference I see between Kuro and the CP9. Kuro would basically use all his strength to move at that speed, but had no control because all of his strength was going into the speed. The CP9, with their "superhuman" strength, could perform the same movement techniques without exhausting all of the power, and would thus easily be able to navigate where they move.[/hide]You know, Oda's not perfect, right? That's why he makes those gag-excuses in the SBS all the time, to cover his errors. Him saying Kuro's Shakushi is as fast as soru doesn't mean they are both the same speed, always. If I were to correct Oda, I would say they are both similar techniques in how they are executed, but the speed itself varies based on the strength of the user. I put my baseball analogy in hide tags above to help explain. Anyway, it should be obvious to everyone that the CP9 had varying levels of soru. Lucci, for example, is obviously faster than Blueno, who is obviously faster than Coby, yet they are all using the same technique. Luffy tells us how the move works, so the stronger you are physically, the faster you can move with better control. CP9 > Kuro in just about every way. The fact that Luffy not only kept up with Blueno's much faster movement shows he had become much faster than when he fought Kuro, who he could only hit on reflex.
The point is that he's able to reach that speed, not that he remains constant on it. Being able to shows that Luffy can "catch" up to that speed after departing his village probably a few days ago or something– you decide on the time.
Luffy took a training course that allowed Coby to do what he did in the small range he trained, which is the same, but far more excessive type training.
This training, upon departure from his village, allowed Luffy to get onto a VERY high rate in physical stature-- he was STRONG, and AS STRONG as he may be currently.
The time that has passed in the manga hasn't been "years" and probably only went up to a few months overall-- those "few" months, and I am being generous, pretty much suggest that during that time, aside from massive doses of EXPERIENCE, Luffy rarely trained, and never on screen.
What we ought to understand is that he was "strong" before setting off on his quest, and he was already on the extremely high level that he was through out his battles, however, he lacked experience.
Oda's showing us Luffy "gaining" experience over the journey, not "getting" physically stronger like usual manga where people "train" for doses here and then they train again: Bleach is an example where a kid trains in between obstacles.
So, this suggests that if Luffy didn't need to have a time skip before to defeat CP9 or some other dude, then he surely doesn't need one now! One of the arguments is that "Luffy's far too weak to fight in the NW" even though his dream isn't dependent on him whooping everyone's behind, and more so with gaining just a title -- different from those other mangas where people end up getting into a "I'm better than the world!!" like Dragonball.
Oda made it simple: Luffy trained really hard and is just gaining experience, slightly gaining "physical" strength along the way. With pain comes gain-- sort of.
A manga that did this was Samurai X; Kenshin's ONLY moment of training was to learn a technique he never finished-- that's it.
Kenshin didn't need a mega time skip to defeat any of his opponents because he was already at his "power" at whatever time he started the series. And, when we are shown his past, he was stronger than the others that exist there.
So, my point revolves around the idea that having a "time" skip exist because some fans are too disgusted at the idea that Luffy gets the pirate king title at age 18 or whatever is very stupid. They want his age to be 19 or 20 or higher-- for the thought that Roger was old.
Personally, we only know that Roger wasn't a Pirate King because he hadn't been to Raftel before-- the idea that it has nothing to do with power is probably close to 99.9% true.
How does one get to become Pirate King? I believe it is One Piece and Raftel-- so to speak, no?
Why does Luffy need to beat the shit out of everyone he sees now? Doesn't make sense :sad:
I hope that explained it.
And yes, I know the difference in Soru, don't need to elaborate on that-- never did... My point wasn't stressing something advanced and complicated.
@JERK:
Let me get this straight AGOG.
Luffy was as of physical maturity into a young adult male.
Naturally capable of bursting a huge pair of buildings in two simply by pushing on them with zero aid of either Gear or rubber powers.Who knows; maybe. It depends on what training Garp gave him back then, or Dadan.
Regardless, since he didn't "train" enough, and just fighting won't give him super enhanced power over like a stretch of a few weeks, probably 1 month in total, he had to have had all that "ability" as he started, unlike Naruto and Bleach where the shitty protags had to train every second because they weren't taught in the first place, before the series started. Obviously, they weren't and their accomplishments were out of character all the time.
I can't believe that he's seriously trying to argue that Luffy hasn't been getting physically stronger over the course of the story.
"NOT MUCH" – I did state it, didn't I?
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It is COMPLETELY impossible that Luffy trains off screen or gains in power over time through the hundreds of skirmishes he gets in. - an idiot
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@JERK:
It is COMPLETELY impossible that Luffy trains off screen or gains in power over time through the hundreds of skirmishes he gets in. - an idiot
No.
He doesn't get SIGNIFICANT BOOSTS.
Again, it's IMPOSSIBLE that he was weak as shit when he started to suddenly turn into APE-MAN.
I didn't say anything about the small stuff that comes from "minor" things– if a human walks, they get stronger. It's about how much they do it, and as far as we know, he pretty much doesn't. He has "fun" and plays games.
Unlike Zoro, who trains constantly, Luffy already did all that sort of training and doesn't have to overhaul, or even attempt to train.
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How does it make sense that Zoro can do that, but Luffy can't somehow.
Luffy and Zoro fought and it was equal pretty much.
Yet Luffy has reached his base physical peak, and Zoro has grown since then in it?
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Zoro got his ass whooped by Mihawk and saw how weak he was. Right?
Luffy wasn't getting beat by anyone and wasn't even motivated to train. Right?
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Zoro got his ass whooped by Mihawk and saw how weak he was. Right?
Luffy wasn't getting beat by anyone and wasn't even motivated to train. Right?
lollll at you thinking Zoro only started training after getting beat by Mihawk.
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@JERK:
lollll at you thinking Zoro only started training after getting beat by Mihawk.
he was shown training in his Volume fucking One flashback for godsakes.To beat Kuina…
Yes, smart stuff; point stands.
I did laugh, though!
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I did laugh, though!
It's good to know you can laugh at yourself. It makes us feel less guilty.
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A manga that did this was Samurai X; Kenshin's ONLY moment of training was to learn a technique he never finished– that's it
Kenshin didn't need a mega time skip to defeat any of his opponents because he was already at his "power" at whatever time he started the series. And, when we are shown his past, he was stronger than the others that exist there.
I was following your argument, and then you wrote this.
Kenshin was deemed the STRONGEST Imperialist at the start of the series. It's not in any way the same as some brat from a village claiming to be the next Pirate King where the brat is considered weaker than every other character.
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I was following your argument, and then you wrote this.
Kenshin was deemed the STRONGEST Imperialist at the start of the series. It's not in any way the same as some brat from a village claiming to be the next Pirate King where the brat is considered weaker than every other character.
Kenshin was also "sluggish" as the manga presented. He was losing due to his short retirement.
Of course, he was the strongest without a doubt, however, his physical body had limits as it was revealed later on.
But, I'm not talking about the title at the start, more so how Kenshin at such a young age entered the war and fought; he was a master at his craft, even though he was YOUNG as heck. Probably was younger than Luffy was when he started.
Before he had a sword, he was a nobody– he just trained to handle it.
Luffy did the same thing and then went to go fight and stuff-- he trained.
After that, they didn't need to train continuously because they were at that high level where they already excelled...
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Kenshin was also "sluggish" as the manga presented. He was losing due to his short retirement.
Of course, he was the strongest without a doubt, however, his physical body had limits as it was revealed later on.
But, I'm not talking about the title at the start, more so how Kenshin at such a young age entered the war and fought; he was a master at his craft, even though he was YOUNG as heck. Probably was younger than Luffy was when he started.
Before he had a sword, he was a nobody– he just trained to handle it.
Luffy did the same thing and then went to go fight and stuff-- he trained.
After that, they didn't need to train continuously because they were at that high level where they already excelled...
Luffy and Kenshin were trained very differently. Let's forget for a moment that they're from two completely unrelated and different series.
Kenshin was trained by arguably the strongest character in the series for like what 4 yrs, and then went out and used said training (that is regarded as the highest level of swordsmanship there is) for a number of years more, giving victory to the side he chose.
Luffy wasn't trained at all, and just grew up in a village and the woods, and set out to sea with zero experience.
I'm sorry, but I fail to see how the two are comparable.
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Does it fucking matter?
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Does what matter? It is very ambiguous….
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You guys are discussing the whole timeskip thing as if it was a big deal
What, will AGOG cry if we skip two years?
What, will JerkDisease cry if we don't skip anything and go through the story after a 2 week period of Luffy resting and the SH's coming back?Its not like the story will change, Oda can easily do whatever he wants both ways, timeskip or not
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This is a discussion board for One Piece, so people will discuss things they expect and want to happen. If you don't like something, there are many other sections of the forum you can read.
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Indeed, and I am going to such sections (sections as in topics)
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there are reasons i want this time skip and reasons i dont want it..
a time skip will be great for luffy just to lay low and not cause any problem(we all no luffy) and plus i think the time skip would be good for everyone… even the marines the might have won the world but there head quarters is fuckd up now. there is no winning in a war cuz many lost there lifes.
even knowing that whats going to happen to all of the lands whitebread controlled/saved. fishman island..
the reason i dont want the time skip is simple "i dont want to miss anything" feeling
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Honestly, I don't want if there's any time skip in One Piece. The reason is… I compared it with the other series that has time skip too...
In Naruto Shippuuden, I think it's a big strange when Naruto was training for two years, there was not something happened in Konoha.
In Digimon Zero Two, the other story when the series was time skipped was only in the movie.
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Timeskip can't be too long, Luffy keeps shortening his life, and he'll end up dying on the last chapter.
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The crew is spread out throughout the world. If there isn't a time skip then it take another year for the manga to show each character's journey back. Unless of course something magical happens and all the character gain the ability to fly back.
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Go into the future and than have the future actually be purgatory.
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@Animesoccer:
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Timeskip will be One to Four months only. Long enough for Luffy to logically heal and recuperate from what happened as well as head back to Sabaody, also gives the other Straw Hats enough time to logically get back. Some of them aren't even in the Grand Line anymore, especially Nami who is on a Sky Island.
That's all a timeskip is needed for. Nothing like a year, just a few months to give logical reason for how Luffy can recuperate and the Straw Hats can get back to Sabaody.
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Luffy and Kenshin were trained very differently. Let's forget for a moment that they're from two completely unrelated and different series.
Kenshin was trained by arguably the strongest character in the series for like what 4 yrs, and then went out and used said training (that is regarded as the highest level of swordsmanship there is) for a number of years more, giving victory to the side he chose.
Luffy wasn't trained at all, and just grew up in a village and the woods, and set out to sea with zero experience.
I'm sorry, but I fail to see how the two are comparable.
It's not a matter of age in a series like these, but in abilities, and both characters start out with very different abilities, skills, and experience.Luffy was trained by Garp and whatever else he did. It was "training" to get stronger, and in chapter one he said so himself…
Shinto did the same in his life, and eventually left after being with the master of his-- gained experience in the war and then so on. That stuff he learned in the war is what crafted his abilities to an even higher level.
Luffy, after he left did the very same thing by fighting over and over again accumulating massive heaps of experience to grow stronger-- he pretty much evolved from the sheer experience of fighting.
Does it fucking matter?
Yes.
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Surprisingly; yes, it is experience…
Interesting?
AGOG 2010: the difference between a random guy on the street and a top athlete is only experience.
Why would anyone listen to you if you can't even accept flaws in your huge posts. And why don't you listen to anyone here who tells you that your posts are full of it?
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I have a strong feeling AGOG doesn't truly believe any of the rubbish he spouts.
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I have a strong feeling AGOG doesn't truly believe any of the rubbish he spouts.
I would think the same if not for the gigantic amount of writing he does.
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He's a fast, dedicated writer and reading his posts I can see no way he would've looked over one of his usual ridiculous conclusions and had gone "Hmm that's a good decisive argument that'll convince everyone" and then pat himself on the back.
Earlier in this thread he said himself he was able to help Joe out with only Perona. He's a Perona fan. He hasn't been doing all that typing because he was sure of Oda's way of building a story. It's just what he wants to happen.
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The way I see it, and the point I tried to make before, is that when Oda drops a hint, it's not always something obvious.
When he dropped the hint that a character would die, he anthropomorphized the ship into a character then axed it when it was convenient. Did people think it was a character before? Maybe crazy people. Up until Sky Island, it was a boat. It was better than their previous boats, and it was a nice boat, but it was a boat. If your car broke down and you had to send it to the scrap heap, that would be a shame, but you wouldn't have a funeral for it. But Oda then wrote the ship a "soul" with the whole Klaubautermann thing, all the fans said "aha!" when the ship got axed, and all the strings were tied up then.
Powerups and timeskips are generally the result of either lazy writing, or an author that is bored with the direction things are going and wants to shake things up. Sometimes it's both. Too many shonen manga serials are stuck on that whole "if the next enemy isn't tougher than the last, then the story will become stale" thing. When you're just trying to keep the attention of 15 year old boys, that's just how it goes. Don't think Oda can really turn One Piece into a full on seinen series and have it catch on, but he's got such a wide fanbase (heck, I'm old, and I'm sure there are other old farts who've read it for almost ten years like I have) that maybe it would work. I'm betting Luffy has a big 18th birthday celebration on Amazon Lily when he heals up. I just don't see Oda jacking up their ages and darkening up the plot much more, because it probably would need a fairly major artistic design shift to really work out…and I think a lot of the current fans would not like it. The whole thing is about becoming a Pirate King...that probably wouldn't be such a goal if it were more of an adult storyline. That storyline would probably focus a lot more on the political/revolutionary aspects of the series rather than attaining status. I don't think they've really got enough there to really make that all that different from much else, but maybe Oda can refine what's there.
There's just too much of a youthful, optimistic message that the storyline is built around. Thing is, with Naruto, Kishi could timeskip a few years and the show is still shonen, it's still speaking the same message and keeping the same kind of fans. With One Piece, you timeskip 10 years and keep the same theme, and you have a bunch of late twenty-somethings acting like high schoolers. That could be pretty lame.
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Luffy and company are already much older then most shonen casts start off as. If a bunch of college age people with a few adults can have these same shonen youth adventures, there's no reason on earth them gaining a year or two in age would change that.
1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
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@JERK:
Luffy and company are already much older then most shonen casts start off as. If a bunch of college age people with a few adults can have these same shonen youth adventures, there's no reason on earth them gaining a year or two in age would change that.
Hell so true^^
Look at freaking Naruto… Damn teens are owning the most powerfull shinobis of the old generation left and right. Fraking Konohamaru owned a Pain facepalm
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@JERK:
Luffy and company are already much older then most shonen casts start off as. If a bunch of college age people with a few adults can have these same shonen youth adventures, there's no reason on earth them gaining a year or two in age would change that.
There's no reason to even have a time skip. Especially because of this, fuck age and all that nonsense.
The story continues at a simple, clear pace, rather than being complex with "time skips" and beyond itself.
