I think it's a bad way try to guess who will be the next crewmate based on colours that represent them… Because most probably Oda thinks on the colours after he creates the character he decides to be crewmate, or perhaps even only after people ask him on SBS...
Next Crewmate Discussion (Vol. 4)
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@Del:
I think it's a bad way try to guess who will be the next crewmate based on colours that represent them… Because most probably Oda thinks on the colours after he creates the character he decides to be crewmate, or perhaps even only after people ask him on SBS...
It's just that people have no real arguments anymore. Whether the point is good or not, not saying the color argument is, it will be shot down by "No, because (insert random irrelevant fact here) and you're stupid."
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AGOG is the only one that says so. Personally, I'm just saying "chance", not accompanied by "best" nor even "high".
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AGOG is the only one that says so. Personally, I'm just saying "chance", not accompanied by "best" nor even "high".
I feel sorry for most Perona fans. You get bashed by proxy due to AGOG. Like I said many times, it's no sin to hope for a certain character to join. Some theories are even amusing. Problem is that Perona fans are lumped together with AGOG around here.
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@Fire Priest:
Franky - Cyan (Some form of light blue.)
SUPAAAAAAAAAAAAAA~!
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i kinda like perona … and i've to admit that it would be nice for her to join .. but that's only coz i want megahouse to produce a perona POP :ninja: yeah .. it would look great in my cabinet ... i'm selfish like that ...
THIS. is hilarious
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Hilarious as it is! But would have been godlike if Jimbei fell down and crushed both of them underneath. Then Luffy could appear and eat him.
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I like Perona but i don't want her to join the SH pirates.
I want Inazuma to join, but i don't come up with some crazy theory about her, because it would be stupid to do so.
Will Inazuma join?!? Probably not. But i will only make theories about him/her when its ok to do so.
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I feel sorry for most Perona fans. You get bashed by proxy due to AGOG. Like I said many times, it's no sin to hope for a certain character to join. Some theories are even amusing. Problem is that Perona fans are lumped together with AGOG around here.
Agreed.
Got nothing against Perona, though Hancock is better imo..
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I feel sorry for most Perona fans. You get bashed by proxy due to AGOG. Like I said many times, it's no sin to hope for a certain character to join. Some theories are even amusing. Problem is that Perona fans are lumped together with AGOG around here.
I agree. I like Perona. I find her a little annoying, but I don't flat out hate her. Besides, I feel her joining Buggy fits better anyway.
@Cyan:
SUPAAAAAAAAAAAAAA~!
scratches head Yeah, I fixed/explained that. Sorry, Cyan.
I want to sig this so bad. :blink:
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I only like Perona because of her design and her battle against Ussop.
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Hilarious as it is! But would have been godlike if Jimbei fell down and crushed both of them underneath. Then Luffy could appear and eat him.
Luffy's future wife.. the mother of his many Monkey D. children.. so cruel of you!
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@Fire Priest:
I want to sig this so bad. :blink:
Use it. Found in random thread on OM.
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Heh, I came up with a possible answer to the old question of "what role would Hancock have on the ship", but I'm pretty sure people will want to kill me and kick me while dead if I tell it here.
Ok, the thing is: she's a captain, is smart, devious, charismatic and bossy.
And the Strawhats have a pretty important vacant role in the ship. That role usually falls on the shoulders of one of them from time to time, but Oda and data books have all made pretty clear that role is vacant and no one on the ship has it.
When I defended that crewmate X is the unofficial member with that role, people started a pretty long discussion that no one has that role.
And it got me thinking: why? It's a pretty important role, one of the basic ones in a ship. Why Oda never flat out told that member X is it, if even in the story the other nakama fall to him when that role is needed?
Then today it came to me: maybe because that role will be taken by someone who has not joined yet!
Do you understand what I am talking about, and why people will probably be enraged if I even suggest it? Even to me, any newcomer who fills that role will take a lot of time before we can accept it. It's a role that requires power, affinity with the crew and absolute loyalty to the captain.
! First-mate
Ok, I'm not saying it will happen, but the idea stroke me like lightning this evening and after careful thought, I asked myself: "Why not?"
Flames away, people!
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I always thought Zoro was the first mate, and i mean it was basically proven when Oda made him the one who took the pain from Kuma.
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Heh, I came up with a possible answer to the old question of "what role would Hancock have on the ship", but I'm pretty sure people will want to kill me and kick me while dead if I tell it here.
Ok, the thing is: she's a captain, is smart, devious, charismatic and bossy.
And the Strawhats have a pretty important vacant role in the ship. That role usually falls on the shoulders of one of them from time to time, but Oda and data books have all made pretty clear that role is vacant and no one on the ship has it.
When I defended that crewmate X is the unofficial member with that role, people started a pretty long discussion that no one has that role.
And it got me thinking: why? It's a pretty important role, one of the basic ones in a ship. Why Oda never flat out told that member X is it, if even in the story the other nakama fall to him when that role is needed?
Then today it came to me: maybe because that role will be taken by someone who has not joined yet!
Do you understand what I am talking about, and why people will probably be enraged if I even suggest it? Even to me, any newcomer who fills that role will take a lot of time before we can accept it. It's a role that requires power, affinity with the crew and absolute loyalty to the captain.
! First-mate
Ok, I'm not saying it will happen, but the idea stroke me like lightning this evening and after careful thought, I asked myself: "Why not?"
Flames away, people!
LOL that's hillarious. I have to disagree with you here, not because I think your idea is so crazy, but because I have been predicting Jinbei to take that position since he was first introduced. Most people like to think Zoro is the VC though or that it would somehow spurn him to give someone else the job.
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If anything, Hancock would be the ships interrogator. She could probably get anything out of anyone…
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I just don't see how Zoro isn't the 1st mate.
Thought you were going to say quartermaster.
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I am sure Hancock dreams of being Luffy's first mate….
sorry couldn't help it
and true enough if anyone is it is Zoro
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I am sure Hancock dreams of being Luffy's first mate….
sorry couldn't help it
I'm sure mating is involved somehow..
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I always thought Zoro was the first mate, and i mean it was basically proven when Oda made him the one who took the pain from Kuma.
LOL that's hillarious. I have to disagree with you here, not because I think your idea is so crazy, but because I have been predicting Jinbei to take that position since he was first introduced. Most people want to think Zoro is the VC though or that it would somehow spurn him to give someone else the job.
Those reactions are exactly the same I had when in another thread I said that Zoro was the first mate. It went into a long discussion with someone who pointed that no where, not even in databooks, Zoro or anyone was ever made or called first-mate. I always considered him unofficial first-mate, and he takes the role of leadership everytime Luffy is missing (Nami takes the role if both Luffy and Zoro are away), but it felt really strange that Oda never flat out said "Zoro is first-mate".
As strange, even absurd that idea seems, when I was thinking about it this evening, it came to me that the role is absent in the crew, despite other crews having it. So, if Hancock joins, that could be her role, since she's used to leadership and is absolutely loyal to Luffy.
I won't lose sleep or try to convince anyone of that. I myself am not really certain. It's just a "crazy", "absurd", "random" idea that suddenly made so much sense that I decided to share here. Do with it what you will.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
I just don't see how Zoro isn't the 1st mate.
Me neither, but officially he isn't. His official role is "swordsman". :blink:
Thought you were going to say quartermaster.
I did not even knew that role. What a quartermaster does?
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About 10 months ago someone was sending me an argument that Jinbei could wind up becoming the first mate. I didn't buy into the idea, and it still doesn't sit right with me. It'd just feel weird if Zoro was pushed back.
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Those reactions are exactly the same I had when in another thread I said that Zoro was the first mate. It went into a long discussion with someone who pointed that no where, not even in databooks, Zoro or anyone was ever made or called first-mate. I always considered him unofficial first-mate, and he takes the role of leadership everytime Luffy is missing (Nami takes the role if both Luffy and Zoro are away), but it felt really strange that Oda never flat out said "Zoro is first-mate".
As strange, even absurd that idea seems, when I was thinking about it this evening, it came to me that the role is absent in the crew, despite other crews having it. So, if Hancock joins, that could be her role, since she's used to leadership and is absolutely loyal to Luffy.
I won't lose sleep or try to convince anyone of that. I myself am not really certain. It's just a "crazy", "absurd", "random" idea that suddenly made so much sense that I decided to share here. Do with it what you will.
Me neither, but officially he isn't. His official role is "swordsman". :blink:
I did not even knew that role. What a quartermaster does?
so true, i went on wikia and find word once for "first mate" in Zoro section and the search didnt came up either
what i do wonder is if "first mate" requirement is being the first member the captain recruit or not
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Oh no..your argument has merit..but I just figured by now, that it was a forgone conclusion that Zoro, since he was the first to join, was the first mate.
It's probably one of those things Oda just doesn't want to answer, or leave it up for the reader to decide. Though I think after 580 chapters, we would of gotten a first mate.
An interesting idea though..
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About 10 months ago someone was sending me an argument that Jinbei could wind up becoming the first mate. I didn't buy into the idea, and it still doesn't sit right with me. It'd just feel weird if Zoro was pushed back.
I admit it is a crazy idea. So crazy in fact, I don't wanna people to consider it when I try to explain other, more sensible ideas. I just wanted to share this "conclusion" that came to me. I really have no ways of defending it.
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from wikipedia so take it for what it is worth
Pirate quartermasters
Through a historical oddity, pirates during the Golden Age of Piracy elevated the rank of quartermaster to much higher powers and responsibilities than it had aboard any merchant or naval vessel.
Pirate quartermasters (quarter deck masters), like pirate captains, were usually elected by their crews. It was the quartermaster's responsibility to lead the pirate boarding party when coming aboard another ship. This was usually done from the quarter deck which was the place where two ships touched during the boarding attack. The quartermaster ranked higher than any officer aboard the ship except the captain himself, and could veto the captain's decisions whenever the ship was not chasing a prize or engaged in battle. The quartermaster also was chiefly responsible for discipline, assessing punishments for crewmen who transgressed the articles. Several quartermasters, notably Calico Jack Rackham, became captains after the previous captain was killed or deposed.
Although a minority of pirate scholars dismiss the accepted version of the pirate quartermaster's importance, it is well supported by the extant secondary sources such as Charles Johnson, Cordingly and Botting, and overwhelmingly borne out by the primary sources, including Ringrose, Dampier, Snelgrave, Trott, and George Roberts.
Long John Silver from the novel Treasure Island was ship's quartermaster under the notorious Captain Flint. He was said to have been the only man whom Flint ever feared. -
I believe Oda specifically called Zoro the first mate once and only once. That was through Urouge on Shaboady when Zoro almost cut Charlos.
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Hancock for SH Interrogator, thoughts? Ideas?
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well first of all i don't see how you can make someone who joins so late a first mate. sure she could become first mate, but no captain would give it to a person so early. she has to prove herself and be with the crew for a while and be trustworthy. not something that can be established in so short of time.
also luffy doesn't take me as the kind of person that would say someone is his first mate. he respects, trusts, believes in and so on the same to all his crewmates. they are all firstmates in his eyes.
As for who is the first mate, that is Zoro. That is how teh rest of teh one piece world sees it at least.
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I did not even knew that role. What a quartermaster does?
In some instances you can see it as second mate, the role gives them a power that at times rivals the 1st mate and captain though. I like to think of it sorta as the left hand of the captain where the 1st mate is the right.
[hide]Through a historical oddity, pirates during the Golden Age of Piracy elevated the rank of quartermaster to much higher powers and responsibilities than it had aboard any merchant or naval vessel.
Pirate quartermasters (quarter deck masters), like pirate captains, were usually elected by their crews. It was the quartermaster's responsibility to lead the pirate boarding party when coming aboard another ship. This was usually done from the quarter deck which was the place where two ships touched during the boarding attack. The quartermaster ranked higher than any officer aboard the ship except the captain himself, and could veto the captain's decisions whenever the ship was not chasing a prize or engaged in battle. The quartermaster also was chiefly responsible for discipline, assessing punishments for crewmen who transgressed the articles. Several quartermasters, notably Calico Jack Rackham, became captains after the previous captain was killed or deposed.
Although a minority of pirate scholars dismiss the accepted version of the pirate quartermaster's importance, it is well supported by the extant secondary sources such as Charles Johnson, Cordingly and Botting, and overwhelmingly borne out by the primary sources, including Ringrose, Dampier, Snelgrave, Trott, and George Roberts.
Long John Silver from the novel Treasure Island was ship's quartermaster under the notorious Captain Flint. He was said to have been the only man whom Flint ever feared.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartermaster[/hide]In many ways Nami fulfills some of the quartermaster's duties but I don't think in data books or from Oda has she ever been given the title.
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Seems somebody already posted the wiki link. Here's another
[hide]Quartermaster - Out of their distrust of dictatorial rule, pirates of the Golden Age placed a large portion of the captain's traditional role and power into the hands of an elected quartermaster who became second-in-command and almost a co-captain through his representing the best interests of the crew.
As a foreman, he was in charge of maintaining order, distributing rations and supplies, delegating work, and guarding and dividing plunder. In fighting, the quartermaster decided what ships were worth it and often led any boarding party, ultimately deciding what loot to keep. When discipline or punishment was necessary, only he could give it, but even then it was with the agreement of the captain or the vote of the pirate crew.
In the worst of situations, he was a sheriff enforcing fairness in duels or a judge presiding over jury trials for serious crimes committed among the crew. For all his hard work, the quartermaster received a larger portion of any plunder and would often be asked to command any highly valued ship taken in battle. -
dunno i like the SH sculptor better
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I believe Oda specifically called Zoro the first mate once and only once. That was through Urouge on Shaboady when Zoro almost cut Charlos.
It was one of the arguments I used in the other discussion as well. Actually, Urouge calls Zoro the "second strongest" or "second in command". "First mate" was used in some translations, but that is not the accurate translation, because "First mate" uses another word in Japanese.
From Stephen's translation:
Urouge: A second-in-command worth 120 million.
He doesn't look like the type to follow another man…
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Another note..the role for the new member is also probably the one thing Margurite has that the other candidates don't. I remember that she was a talented Seamstress, which I'm sure the SH could benefit from…
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from wikipedia so take it for what it is worth
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
In some instances you can see it as second mate, the role gives them a power that at times rivals the 1st mate and captain.
In many ways Nami fulfills some of the quartermaster's duties but I don't think in data books or from Oda has she ever been given the title.
Thanks, both of you. I think quartermaster would work just as well for Hancock as first mate.
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talented seamstress? ha, cause she sewed on some frillies. we already met camie who's dream was to become a great clothes designer, or world renown clothes brand or whatever it was.
arguments about position are so dumb. Heck take our 4-5 people recently who people ahve brough up. Camie, Perona, Hancock, Jimbei, Margurette. People have found a couple or more positions they laim they could fill.
So why argue position, when its obvious that you can throw someone into a position super easy.
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Obviously Duval.
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So why argue position, when its obvious that you can throw someone into a position super easy.
Because it's fun?
ANd because I'm not trying to use the position as a reason for her to join, like many people do. I'm actually trying the opposite: if she joins, what position she could take? Just to fill the blanks.
And if anyone has a better discussion, then come up with it.
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About 10 months ago someone was sending me an argument that Jinbei could wind up becoming the first mate. I didn't buy into the idea, and it still doesn't sit right with me. It'd just feel weird if Zoro was pushed back.
That was me and I still stand by it although I have not made any kind of argument for it in this forum because it would become too much of a headache.
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I rather like Deicide "conclusion" about the first mate thing, good theory.
Both Hancock and Jimbei have a shot at that.
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That was me and I still stand by it although I have not made any kind of argument for it in this forum because it would become too much of a headache.
Yeah, I agree.
Truth is, if any newcomer took that position, it would feel weird because of the older members of the crew.
"Quartermaster" does seems a less offensive way of putting a newcomer in such important position.
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Do you think we will get all 10 members and Luffy before they go to the New World?
I believe so, because I think it'd be good to focus on the crew on the "Second Part" of the story, rather then introducing new crew members after they get to the new world.
Thoughts?
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That was me and I still stand by it although I have not made any kind of argument for it in this forum because it would become too much of a headache.
Ah, so you are still around. That's cool. It's within the realm of possibility, I suppose, so it's not a "bad" theory (especially compared to some of the others around here). I just don't buy into it. You should post it, since some people may buy into it, and at the very least it's something to think about. Nobody says you'd have to sit around and defend it.
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Do you think we will get all 10 members and Luffy before they go to the New World?
I believe so, because I think it'd be good to focus on the crew on the "Second Part" of the story, rather then introducing new crew members after they get to the new world.
Thoughts?
I think the final member(s) will join before they reach the New World indeed. There's only one or two vacant spots, anyway.
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i rather not see a limit really but yea it's very likely 10 is around the right number since it seem like every major crew have about 9-10 main member and probably finalize before the new world if that's their final number
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everyone know Hancock is going become the maid and serve Luffy food in only an apron
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SammS: I'm on board with that one.
Deicide: I believe that Fishman Island is basically Lougetown 2.0.