LMAO @ AGOG saying the war stalled the plot.
@Deicide:
AGOG vs. AdmiralYonkousomething Zik.
Unstoppable Force vs. Unmovable Object.
This thread is about to implode!
Hasn't been the first time. You should've been around when he was arguing that Captain Morgan defeated Garp in a fight.
That theory alone is much better than anything AGOG ever wrote. Bonus points for being SHORT!
It isn't hard to steer AGOG's never stopping Perona ship to a different destination and do it with his reasoning. Hell if I wanted to I could argue that Perona becomes the new empress of Amazon Lily making it possible for Hancock to join using his reasoning.
@Retardia:
Perona will join Kid Pirates. What she want's is dark and gloomy place isn't it.?
Well. Kid Ships have that.
Well she did say island
AGOG
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Zik,
I can only politely disagree, since I feel that Oda has more talent than what I've read on Bleach, Naruto and other shitty second hand manga.
Trying to equate OP with those manga or Oda to those mangaka does not work with me at all. It just goes to show you have no argument and you don't like something that happened in the manga so much you'd trash it just like you did on OM by calling Oda a fag since you didn't like much of the recent chap. I can understand not liking events in mangas you hold in high regard but when you think stupid shit will happen and completely deny highly like things that might happen you're only going to be left with disappointment. I mean you thought Ace was going to be revived since Law showed up.
I believe that Oda will never pull an Okama on the ship shit again, hopefully.
You believed a lot of things AGOG and going off your track record you saying this will motivate everyone else to believe it will happen.
Lol… Zoro wasn't around this whole arc
I never said Zoro needed prior knowledge of the war not to attack. He'd actually need a legitimate reason. I also don't see why he wouldn't just forget who buggy is in a comedic fashion like Luffy does.
he may just attack for no reason. He did say "something" of Buggy's name when Rayleigh mentioned it, did he not?
He'd fail on several levels since his swords have no effect on Buggy and he'd most likely be with a gang of lvl 3-5 prisoners that would definitely occupy Zoro which would still make Perona recognize what a formidable man Buggy is to be commanding such powerhouses and like I said end up ditching Zoro for him.
No, I don't believe that Perona is that dense, again. I feel that she's not just looking for a super strong guy, just some stability.
Fine Perona isn't THAT stupid. There's always the scenario where she wises up to Buggy fooling these idiots and muscles her way in by threatening Buggy that she'll reveal this farce by using one of her negative hollows to make him kneel to her or blow him up. Buggy's situation is a perfect one for Perona to try and profit off of given what we know of her.
Otherwise, she'd have bailed or been in a completely different place. Or, "death" would have happened to her when Kuma sent her off. She wasn't troubled by it too much and survived with ease, therefore, she doesn't look for comfort in someone's power, more emotional feelings are involved.
Or she's waiting for the right time to be in a favorable position again. It's not hard to see her motives as following Zoro around to see if he finds a way off the island so she can too. So following your theory of her going to Sa with Zoro and my theory, coming across Buggy and his situation is much more better than going with Zoro to his crew with 2 other women she isn't fond of and the terrifying powerhouse that is Usopp.
Only emotional feelings that are involved is Perona feeling in control, not being annoyed by the inconvenience of no servants, secure/safe, and in a situation that causes more pleasure than pain
Yeah, but we don't know how long it would take Zoro to reach SA. We don't even know how long it has been since he started trying to leave or anything.
We just know that two weeks is the minimum that it would take for Luffy to reach SA, if he does head to AL.
Zoro can take "three" weeks to get to SA also, so to speak… Buggy, would have to stay there for "two" weeks also, which is unlikely. He should be gone as swiftly as the Supernova. Or, he'd be following Shanks.
I already told you this doesn't matter. The time point is irrelevant given the chance to move forward in the plot. Like I said before think of all the things that impeded the SHs from getting to SA let alone fishman island yet they still managed to be there the same time with the other supernova. This is how the story works when the SHs are around a plot begins to build whether you see it as coincidence or some terrible crap Oda pulls from his ass the right ppl are gonna be there at the right time at the right place for what I'm talking about to happen.
The point I am making is that this is SO unlikely, just to have it happen this way.
Damn well if you think so I guess it's even more likely than I thought it was.
The point is that mine is "more" reasonable and doesn't leave root to too many questions…
LAWLS
It doesn't add more unknown situations that we don't have any control over, or anything given to make assumptions off of.
So modest, surely you jest.
It won't.
Prove it won't. The fact that okamas showed up on the marine ship proves it can happen. Don't know why you're so down on this possibility when it's just as much of a reach as Perona ending up on the SH ship by the time they head to Gyojin island.
Oda isn't going to get fancy and start making Bankai fly from his ass, then start making Dragonballs reviving everyone or something similar.
He'll continue the "fair" pace he had before the okama pulled out of his ass.
I'm tired of these poor comparisons to other manga. You equating the okama being on the marine ship to bankai and dragon balls already proves Oda is more than capable of doing it.
Before that, the manga actually paced itself extremely well, but when you check that part it is so disappointing, … :getlost:
It was only disappointing for you AGOG. A lot of ppl predicted Iva and the okama tagging along with Luffy for a while so them showing up now isn't some inconceivable event that needs thorough explanation.
However, he hasn't shown a "damn" definite reason to suggest such a thing happening.
He didn't do it when all 9 supernova ended up at SA at the same time either.
There was never a single mention of "Perona" wanting a clown, or something related with Buggy.
As if that matters. I already mentioned other reasons she'd join Buggy instead of the SHs earlier.
But, when you read Steven's translation, it's not as bad as half the people in the world tend to make it out to be… It's actually a lot more "kiddy" and acceptable, or at least, similar to my interpretation.
I've read them and your views and they aren't convincing. If you want to think everyone else is victim to bad translation fine. Oda hasn't been hiding anything with Perona's character. It's you who keeps reaching for character traits that aren't there and even trying to make her not as bad as she is. I'm not surprised tho since you have to do everything you can to make it seem like she'll join even if Oda hasn't. You're basically writing your own fanfic where you immortalize Perona as some selfless, misunderstood saint victim to her environment and nobody is buying it.
Yes, but we can make a guess that she's trying to get her belongings, so to speak… They are on the ship.
When has she expressed that she wants her things from the ship? WHEN? That guess is just that a baseless maybe that doesn't even support her joining the SHs. You say that like she couldn't get her stuff and get kicked off or for Usopp to outright say fuck you and make her leave in fear.
Buggy's got nothing that she may want, so what proof do you have to suggest something like that happening? :getlost:
Oh here's one maybe that stuff you keep talking about on the SH ship only matters because she's only seeking the arm band that leads to
Captain John's treasure and after seeing Buggy with it she'll join him thinking she can take the money from Buggy and then live on her gloomy island with servants and anything else she wanted. I mean you can't say she doesn't care about treasure since she's the one that ordered the zombies to take Moria's treasure and load it on the SH ship.[/hide]
SMH @ AGOG's view on reading fiction. Now I understand why you so easily compare the manga to Naruto and Bleach.
PPL aren't reading to see if it happens. They're reading to see how it happens. Only ppl concerned with advancing the plot to the end support your view. I'm completely opposed to that idiotic view. Seems you were thoroughly disappointed reading Hikaru No Go, you didn't enjoy the journey of the main character getting better at the game or if the the spirit would achieve GOD's hand you just wanted to know if it would happen. If you feel this way stop reading One Piece and just wait 10 years for when it's finished.
There's actually no reason for you to be in this thread supporting Perona for next crew member since it's completely irrelevant to Luffy becoming PK or not.