My faith in humanity has as of yet taken another blow.
To be honest, if this is making you take a blow to your faith in humanity, than you have WAAAAYYY too much to begin with.
Lose it all right now. There is no point in having any.
My faith in humanity has as of yet taken another blow.
To be honest, if this is making you take a blow to your faith in humanity, than you have WAAAAYYY too much to begin with.
Lose it all right now. There is no point in having any.
I don't mind if my son were gay… Porn? Well... Every woman that works in the industry is someone's daughter. Unless they are underaged, they aredoing the world a service...
Aside from that... I'd probably drag her ass home.
It's cultural.
I'm don't think some Eastern European slum would fine a whole lot of shame in a woman as a porn star, but a gay son would be really bad. I know Asians who considered suicide when their sons came out of the closet, although personally being in porn would be just as stressful.
I think, there are different attitudes toward gay sons. But unless the family is poor, having a girl that becomes a porn star is going to be really shameful.
I probably won't be posting a second post in this thread and I'm not really sure why I'm posting the first one. I suppose I would like to explain why I choose the first option, and maybe this is the reason that the other two chose the same.
I'm aware I'm outnumbered in the vote and in my thought but please try to understand why I chose what I did and remember, I could have just stayed silent and not explained at all.
Here is the scenario I had made up in my head. I have 1 son and 1 daughter, hypothetical I don't really have any.
The son says "This is my boyfriend, we've been going out for a few months and have slept together."
Then the daughter comes home and says "I slept with a few men and made some money doing adult videos."
I would be disappointed and tell her "There are better ways to make money then selling your body. Your smart, I'm sure you don't have to be doing a job like that." With this situation I have options to try and solve it and help my daughter to stop doing something that could potentially bring her harm.
On the other hand the sons situation is not something that I can try and change, it would just have to be something I have to learn to accept. I would be at a loss since I would have no path to try and help solve it. Since there really is nothing to be solved.
Summed up for tl'dr people. :D
Son's situation is something that can't be changed or helped it's something you have to accept, it leaves you powerless to take any steps to do anything to change it.
Daughter's situation while very disappointing you can certainly attempt to talk her into stopping. You have a path of options to try and aren't so powerless as in the the son's case.
Conclusion- I hope you understand why I chose the first as worse over the second one. With one you have to accept and with the other you can try and change it.
Personally, I like to be given a fighting chance instead of being defeated right out of the gate. I hope this post made at least a little bit of sense and maybe you can see the other side of the coin just a little.
I won't be defending this post as I really don't want to argue a hypothetical. So… take it as it is. :P
No problem with both of them…As long as she likes to gets fucked in front of cameras, or he likes to get fucked. Its their problem....
Probably I am saying this cause I dont have a son (I am too young)...but anyway.
To be honest, if this is making you take a blow to your faith in humanity, than you have WAAAAYYY too much to begin with.
Lose it all right now. There is no point in having any.
NO! I'm an optimist!
Personally, I think both aren't the "worst" for a parent.
But since there isn't a neither option…..clicks porn star choice
Just for heck's sake, what if a parent had to deal with BOTH of the choices at the same time?:ninja:
Personally, I think both aren't the "worst" for a parent.
But since there isn't a neither option…..clicks porn star choice
Just for heck's sake, what if a parent had to deal with BOTH of the choices at the same time?:ninja:
Most pornstars are both cases… even male ones.
Gotta start somewhere.
Most pornstars are both cases… even male ones.
Gotta start somewhere.
Ah, that's true.
But even THAT wouldn't be the worst for a parent.
Just for heck's sake, what if a parent had to deal with BOTH of the choices at the same time?:ninja:
It wouldn't make any difference whether the son was gay or not. My only concern would be the daughter.
It wouldn't make any difference whether the son was gay or not. My only concern would be the daughter.
Yeah, same here, but some parents are crazy like that.
Nice topic by the nigga from the land of queerophiles.
NO! I'm an optimist!
Well let me tell you that's not a very good place to be an optimist.
Everytime I have faith in humanity, even individual humans, I have that faith ran straight into the ground. It's just not worth it anymore.
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I agree with chris here, option 2 it is.
Everytime I have faith in humanity, even individual humans, I have that faith ran straight into the ground. It's just not worth it anymore.
Perhaps you just put your faith in the wrong people?
Ah, that's true.
But even THAT wouldn't be the worst for a parent.
True… I can think of about 100 things that would be worse than "Lulz I'm Gay" or "Lulz I have sex for teh munnies".
Much much worse.
I choose option C.
C: KingOfSarus
Haters gonna hate?
Son's situation is something that can't be changed or helped it's something you have to accept, it leaves you powerless to take any steps to do anything to change it.
Son's situation isn't "Bad" in the first place. Doesn't need to be changed.
Perhaps you just put your faith in the wrong people?
Which turns out being everybody? My family and friends alike.
Son's situation isn't "Bad" in the first place. Doesn't need to be changed.
Exactly what I was thinking when I read that post. Why in the world does it need to be changed in the first place?
Son's situation isn't "Bad" in the first place. Doesn't need to be changed.
I didn't want to post twice but clearly you only read the tl;dr version. I specify tried to state that there was nothing to change.
That in itself is what makes it worse for me, since there is nothing to fight against only acceptance.
Please don't try and make me look bad over something I already agree with you on.
Basically, what it comes down to is I don't like being in a position of not being able to help. One side I can help the other side I can't do anything but accept.
I don't like losing without a fight of some type. I guess I'm a minority in this case, that is all.
Son's situation isn't "Bad" in the first place. Doesn't need to be changed.
He's not going to bother replying since he is wrong anyway and is afraid to be raped Shandian-style.
That's true, but there are things people do to try to change gay people, like those religious camps. It's good that he didn't acknowledge those as an option. :)
He did reply, right above you in fact.
I never did get that whole… "imma convert you straight" mentality.
How does one gain that track of thought to begin with is beyond me...
It stems from the idea that being gay is a sin, and therefore is behavioral.
I didn't want to post twice but clearly you only read the tl;dr version. I specify tried to state that there was nothing to change.
That in itself is what makes it worse for me, since there is nothing to fight against only acceptance.
Please don't try and make me look bad over something I already agree with you on.
The question was "Which is Worse".
If it doesn't need to be changed, there shouldn't be a problem for the parent to feel they need to "Fight against".
You don't "Fight" against something that has no downside and is unchangeable.
If you see something worth "Fighting" to "Change", then that pretty much says there is something "Wrong" there that needs to be "Changed".
It stems from the idea that being gay is a sin, and therefore is behavioral.
I know… but why bother trying to change it?
I was raised Protestant and we NEVER once even attempted to "turn someone" straight.
We just accepted it and moved on.
It stems from the idea that being gay is a sin, and therefore is behavioral.
I have a hard time believing that the majority are against homosexuality because it's a 'sin'. I seriously do. A lot of the time the Bible is USED as a crutch to make homophobia look justified in society. Nobody questions a "religious belief".
I know there are exceptions, but I seriously doubt that the MAJORITY really is against homosexuality because their Bible tells them so.
Why do you think the majority of haters hate, then?
I have a hard time believing that the majority are against homosexuality because it's a 'sin'. I seriously do. A lot of the time the Bible is USED as a crutch to make homophobia look justified in society. Nobody questions a "religious belief".
I know there are exceptions, but I seriously doubt that the MAJORITY really is against homosexuality because their Bible tells them so.
The Bible will always be used to justify any behavior that person wants.
Back when abolitionists were trying to do away with Slavery, the pro-slavery people were using the Bible and all of its pro-slavery writings to justify keeping it.
Did you know, according to the Bible, if you beat your slave to death with a Rod, it's a sin. But if you beat him within an inch of his life and he lives for a day or two before dying, it's not a sin, because he is your property.
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My problem with people using the bible as a basis is that they will go all out about how being gay is bad, when their are tons of ridiculous rules that come from the same part of the bible that people say can now be ignored. "They can all be ignored now… wait gay people? This one stays! All but this one!". Plus they don't even care about the rule of marrying somebody who has already been divorced or marrying a widow(er), which is 1 of the 10 commandments. BTW, I'm a devout protestant... but I'm not gay so I don't need to worry very much.
I have a hard time believing that the majority are against homosexuality because it's a 'sin'. I seriously do. A lot of the time the Bible is USED as a crutch to make homophobia look justified in society. Nobody questions a "religious belief".
I know there are exceptions, but I seriously doubt that the MAJORITY really is against homosexuality because their Bible tells them so.
Usually the same Bible thumpers that think it's ok to kill for lulz.
Seriously… I think I've been reading the wrong Bible for years.
The Bible will always be used to justify any behavior that person wants.
Which is wrong. Setting my views on this matter aside, Anyone who is gonna use the Bible to justify hate towards people is wrong.
As for the whole turn someone straight ceremony. Is it the Catholics that do those? I'm a Roman Catholic, and I'm sorry, but…uh...they should look at some* of their priests before converting strangers.
*(note: some, definitely not all)
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@Badass:
Which is wrong. Setting my views on this matter aside, Anyone who is gonna use the Bible to justify hate towards people is wrong.
As for the whole turn someone straight ceremony. Is it the Catholics that do those? I'm a Roman Catholic, and I'm sorry, but…uh...they should look at some of their priests before converting strangers*.
*(note: some, definitely not all)
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Incidentally…did you catch the Roman Catholic Head Bishop say that this wave of pedophilia in their ranks is the GAYS fault?
Especially since this was merely a week after the case with the 16 year old Brazillian GIRL came out with the accusations towards the Catholic Priest in her town?
I facepalm'd hard at that one.
Pedophile =/= Gay
I want a link for that. :o
Well the second option.
Many people both live each lifestyle. But Gay people can even star in television shows now, you know. Adult actresses - a lot of the time
Gay people are widely accepted these days, but there are still the little nooks and crannies where you'll get people
who're seriously homophobic. But the majority of people these days are perfectly happy to accept people as being Gay.
So I say PornStar. Plus there'd be a certain amount of social akwardness.
Incidentally…did you catch the Roman Catholic Head Bishop say that this wave of pedophilia in their ranks is the GAYS fault?
Especially since this was merely a week after the case with the 16 year old Brazillian GIRL came out with the accusations towards the Catholic Priest in her town?
I facepalm'd hard at that one.
Pedophile =/= Gay
I never heard about that, but I'm only 15, so I don't really keep tabs on the Catholic Head Bishop. That's strange, though.
Maybe if they allowed Priests to marry, we wouldn't have these problems. sigh I don't get my religion sometimes.
@Badass:
I never heard about that, but I'm only 15, so I don't really keep tabs on the Catholic Head Bishop. That's strange, though.
Maybe if they allowed Priests to marry, we wouldn't have these problems. sigh I don't get my religion sometimes.
Go protestant, we're pretty similar, but when people are retarded it's harder to pin it on us.
That's because more people in this country are protestant. Most of the political crazies here are protestants. >.>
Why do parents have to care for their grown up children any longer? If they are no longer depending on their parents, let them live their own lives. The time to influence them is up. When parents can't let go of their kids they end up never being able to stand on their own feet. I say neither.
I want a link for that. :o
http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2010-04-13-catholic-abuse-gay-blame_N.htm
From USA Today… so it's not obscure or anything.
And yeah... priests not marrying is the dumbest idea ever.
Especially considering the whole "go and multiply" concept from the Bible itself.
.> Human beings are a silly bunch.
Son's situation(Being Gay BTW) isn't "Bad" in the first place. Doesn't need to be changed.
This. So Much….:ninja:
I'm not against homosexuality nor do I attempt to convert people straight. I'm not really a bible person either. I guess I just don't like being in a position that I have no control over, no options, no steps to take.
Surly, you understand not liking having your back against the wall with no options left.
The question and the examples could be about something totally different.
Maybe, I took the question to generally.
hey guys, my son is left handed. there's nothing I can do to change the fact that he is left handed….so i guess....i'll have to accept it :\
There's nothing wrong with being left handed, you right handed people are just jealous of our superiority >:3
Not to be homophobic but I almost selected option 1 do to actually seeing this happen to someone. I wouldn't love my homosexual son any less. I may not agree with their choices but it wouldn't be a legitimate reason to stop loving and supporting them.
So option 2. Because if any child I raised became a porn star I would be ashamed for life.
There's nothing wrong with being left handed, you right handed people are just jealous of our superiority >:3
Not to be homophobic but I almost selected option 1 do to actually seeing this happen to someone. I wouldn't love my homosexual son any less. I may not agree with their choices but it wouldn't be a legitimate reason to stop loving and supporting them.
So option 2. Because if any child I raised became a porn star I would be ashamed for life.
Bolded MY reason for voting 2.
I personally don't think about what religious groups think goes agianst thier norms that… Hell, I don't even question it. They did grow up with a belief system afterall. Every belief had it's rights and wrongs. That's life.
I'm not against homosexuality nor do I attempt to convert people straight. I'm not really a bible person either. I guess I just don't like being in a position that I have no control over, no options, no steps to take.
Surly, you understand not liking having your back against the wall with no options left.
The question and the examples could be about something totally different.Maybe, I took the question to generally.
Okay, Ill play the Devils Advocate and say that you were putting yourself in the shoes of a non tolerant parent that DOES love his/her son/daughther a lot IMIRITE?
If thats what you are saying then good.