Here's hoping the monkey is a knife fighter.
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Chapter 580: "End of War" Discussion
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I can't believe there are people who still deny that Shanks is a swordman !!
@Also first postI'm sure that, if you look hard enough, you'll find people who deny that Luffy is a rubber man.
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I can't believe there are people who still deny that Shanks is a swordman !!
@Also first postI don't think anyone deny shanks is a swordman.
But is that the only think he can do? sword?
Kaku is a fighter but also a swordman. -
I thought Oda would go back to his normal pace with 19 page chapters and reasonably regular breaks after Strong World, but nope… Hopefully it's just till the end of this arc.
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Kaku is a roukushki user and he is good with sowrds . But Shanks main weapon is a sowrd ,those he is a swordman untill proven otherwise .Thats why there is no prove that he is stronger than Mehawke.
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I think the best evidence that Mihawk is weaker, is the Vista vs Mihawk duel. Unless I'm missing something.
While not power levels exact, Oda does drop frequent clues of a power ranking system in the manga. And the yonkou are pretty much at the top of it, while the shichibukai are not. Who the strongest of the two is, is just common sense..
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Kaku is a roukushki user and he is good with sowrds . But Shanks main weapon is a sowrd ,those he is a swordman untill proven otherwise .Thats why there is no prove that he is stronger than Mehawke.
No proof that buggy is weaker than mihawk 2.
But do you think buggy is stronger/equal to mihawk?We almost dont know anything about shanks' fighting style.
Just cos he's holding sword it doesnt mean that's the only thing he's good at.Brooke , Zoro, Mihawk are always been said as a swordman
How about shanks? oda state him as a swordman? -
Mihawk is Stronger than Shanks as a Swordsman
Shanks is Stronger than Mihawk as a Pirate -
Now now…I thought it's given that buggy is stronger .
Also what would Shanks use other than his sowrd?
A magical cherity attack? -
@Hespia:
sorry to intrude on all the serious-talk
but did you see how awsome shank's pants were?
they were the tackies of all tacky Oyabun pants
and he still looks damn serious
THAT is awsomenessLololol I LOVE those pants
He's been shown with them ever since he appeared again in the story with chapter 234 but seriously, that pattern for a boss is hilarious -
Now now…I thought it's given that buggy is stronger .
Also what would Shanks use other than his sowrd?
A magical cherity attack?That's the fun of onepiece, we dont know what they're going to use until they actually fight. Oda never reveals shank's true strength. What is the point of hiding his true power if he only use his sword? why no one called him a swordman?
We all know he use some strong haki, and haki itself still unclear.
Pretty much the same like WB, he use weapon, but is that the only thing he's good at???
Unlike mihawk that got super strong sword,
shanks seem using some regular sword.Maybe he'll be using his pants as a weapon. LOL
His pants seems more incredible than his sword.or Maybe there are other reasons why ppl call him "red haired".
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mabey he has an orangutang zone
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
Basically it didn't reach the expectations after all of the build up. It's like having sex with your dream girl and it being pretty average sex or getting hype to have sex with a virgin but the blood ruins it for you. Anti-climatic, it's a story's version of premature ejaculation.
No bashing just critique. The ppl who compare OP to Naruto and Bleach are bashing.Look for "climax" and you may understand. A "climax" is when the story reaches its peak, often in action, emotion or both. It's the "big moment". An "anti-climax" is when people are expecting a climax, but it doesn't happen.
While I agree that this chapter was anti-climatic, I am happy the war is finally over and we can move on.
Ah I understand. You were expecting it to end with a bang but it ended very quietly.
Yes OP is better than those.
I thought Oda would go back to his normal pace with 19 page chapters and reasonably regular breaks after Strong World, but nope… Hopefully it's just till the end of this arc.
I thought he didn't draw as many pages because it's a big war, and many stuff to draw, like the last page with all the ships.
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Read the last chapter again. All the marine and pirates are stopping the war Before Sengoku told them to agree with shanks. You should see Akainu's face. He can only bite his own lips.
Hahaha, you don't just bang the greatest man in the world alone if you can't match him.
It takes forever for mihawk to win against 1 WB's crew.
Zoro might surpass mihawk in the end, but do you really think zoro will be stronger than luffy in the end??? Keep delusional mate.
"I don't want to fight a one arm man" can also mean mihawk was just taunting shanks, but he was busy at that time. It can be anything.
And why do you think mihawk is equal to shanks again?????
Akainu wanted to keep fighting. He was pissed.
WB was still stronger.
I never said he will be has strong has Luffy, but he will be close.
He wasn't taunting him. All they do know is drink beer with each other because their rivilary is over.
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Kaku is a roukushki user and he is good with sowrds . But Shanks main weapon is a sowrd ,those he is a swordman untill proven otherwise .Thats why there is no prove that he is stronger than Mehawke.
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Op is has predictable has Naruto and Bleach. You guys predicted 90% of what happened in the war. The only thing that was unexpected was who Ace's Father was. Who didn't know WB was going to die. Also Mihawk left becuse he doesn't want to fight a one arm shanks.
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I thought Oda would go back to his normal pace with 19 page chapters and reasonably regular breaks after Strong World, but nope… Hopefully it's just till the end of this arc.
The difficulty, quality and scope of the artwork in the panels of this war is reason enough for Oda to make shorter chapters. The amazing attention to detail, and new designs have me surprised that there are such few breaks in the first place.
Besides its been quite a few chapters since a break, and were back to those sweet 18-19 page chapters so slowly but surely Oda will go back to his usual rythm.
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I am certain that the sub is heavily damaged and hancock will somehow save them, even though it is hard to imagine, her having a DF and all. More probably than not Law will heal Jimbei and then Jimbei will take them all to surface where Hancock will be waiting for them in a battleship full of petrified marines.
Also I kinda think I know how Law is actually so awesome a doctor. His ability allows him to displace an object in space, but that object still remains tied to its previous position in reality. This is evidenced by the fact that he can remove the head from a marine, and the marines blood flow to the head isnt interrupted, and he can still feel his body and his nerve impulses. Now this same principle can be applied to internal organs. This means that he could in theory remove Luffys damaged heart or liver, and operate on it without ever performing any incisions or invasive procedures that would risk his life even further. Thus, he can be operating on Luffys still beating heart outside his body without the need to open him up, and all the while the blood that should be filling his chest cavity where his heart used to be, killing Luffy is actually still pumping through the heart that is outside his body, the blood is all transported via this weird wormhole thing that Law can do. Essentially its as if the heart is still inside Luffy even though its not. A surgeons wet dream really.
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If it was obvious that Ace was gonna die, how come everyone was like "HOLY FUCK!" when he did, flandrian15?
look, there are only 2 sides too this prediction, either he would die, or he wouldn't, everyone had a 50/50 chance (so BRAVO if you guessed right, what an achievement, everyone should get a lifetime achievement award for this one) and perhaps I once did think ace wasn't going to die but later in the story I did, and then again I didn't. Either way, things that have only 2 choices (in this case dead or alive) when it comes to predicting are just plain stupid seeing you will get it right 50% of the time anyway. . . A good prediction would be if you have had a theory on how this war would go in total. People expected BB to go to ID for the lvl6 prisoners (also some because they thought it was an ancient weapon, LOL) and people did guess that Shanks ;ight come but after they knew he was in a fight with Kaidou most people never thought it would happen. People knew Croc was in ID and that he would be shown but a true prediction for me would be to guess the most of the arc, that means BB getting 2 DF's, Shanks showing up to wrap up and give WB and Ace a proper burial, Akainu playing dirty tricks, crocodile actually helping Luffy get out of ID and even saving his life in the war (probably), Mr.2 staying behind at ID to open the gates. Lafittes plan on opening the gates of justice to marineford, . . .
Not just choosing one of 2 sides. -
Akainu wanted to keep fighting. He was pissed.
WB was still stronger.
I never said he will be has strong has Luffy, but he will be close.
He wasn't taunting him. All they do know is drink beer with each other because their rivilary is over.
Of course Akainu pissed.
Someone stronger than him shows up, and he can't get what he wants.Akainu don't hesitate at all fighting WB,(and WB suppose to be the strongest man alive in his prime time)
but against Shanks, he's biting his own lips and FOR THE FIRST TIME he keep his mouth shut. And that's how strong shanks is
And he looks like He almost cried.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/580-92/12Their rivalry over? where do you get that idea from?
shanks always drink beer/celebrate with almost everyone.
They were celebrating about luffy, cos mihawk bring some news about luffy's bounty.
And when ace came to see shanks, they were also celebrating about ace being luffy's brother.and again, where do you get the idea that mihawk is equal to shanks? Haha
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look, there are only 2 sides too this prediction, either he would die, or he wouldn't, everyone had a 50/50 chance (so BRAVO if you guessed right, what an achievement, everyone should get a lifetime achievement award for this one) and perhaps I once did think ace wasn't going to die but later in the story I did, and then again I didn't. Either way, things that have only 2 choices (in this case dead or alive) when it comes to predicting are just plain stupid seeing you will get it right 50% of the time anyway. . . A good prediction would be if you have had a theory on how this war would go in total. People expected BB to go to ID for the lvl6 prisoners (also some because they thought it was an ancient weapon, LOL) and people did guess that Shanks ;ight come but after they knew he was in a fight with Kaidou most people never thought it would happen. People knew Croc was in ID and that he would be shown but a true prediction for me would be to guess the most of the arc, that means BB getting 2 DF's, Shanks showing up to wrap up and give WB and Ace a proper burial, Akainu playing dirty tricks, crocodile actually helping Luffy get out of ID and even saving his life in the war (probably), Mr.2 staying behind at ID to open the gates. Lafittes plan on opening the gates of justice to marineford, . . .
Not just choosing one of 2 sides.I really hope you're kidding when you say that if something has two options it's 50% for each because that is a big logic fail. Today I can get hit by a meteorite, or not. That doesn't make it 50% to happen.
I for one didn't think Ace was going to die. Oda hadn't killed anyone ever so it didn't look very likely. The only thing that made me even consider it was the fact that Ace's continuation in the story if he survived was rather unclear. His dream of becoming PK, or making WB PK, seemed to conflict with Luffy's dream too much, so either Ace would have to bow out or they'd become rivals, neither seemed a good way to go.
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The cover of this chapter featuring the non-Straw Hats (and non-pirates for that matter) makes we wonder about something that I've been mulling over in my mind since Coby's speech and Mantra-ish ability last week.
We know that there are loads of corrupt Marines. We also know that a lot of Marines believe in a type of "absolute justice" that can't really be called "justice" at all. Then you've got Marines like Smoker, Coby, etc, who actually have a good sense of what's right and what's wrong.
I'm thinking that Sengoku will want to keep as many Marines at Marineford as possible to help rebuild, but Smoker will want to leave to chase after Luffy again. Sengoku won't want this to happen. Tashigi will then pipe up, as will Coby and Helmeppo, then quite possibly Hina, Jango, and Fullbody since Jango and Fullbody have grudges against the Straw Hats and Hina seems to have respect for Smoker. So Sengoku will be in a tough spot, with a bunch of excited Marines wanting to chase after Luffy…then Aokiji will offer to go along with the team to make sure everything remains under control. Sengoku will finally cave.
So in addition to the 8 other Supernova crews in the New World, the Straw Hats will have to face this Marine crew, which might eventually learn enough about the World Government's past to turn into a Renegade faction.
I'd say this is feasible, right? Oda has obviously hinted that we can expect some big things from Coby, and has also hinted that Smoker and Tashigi have qualms with the way the higher-ups are running things ("Tell them to eat shit.").
Also, I think the next chapter will set things up for a short time-skip. We'll see this Marine team assembling, take a look at the other Straw Hats meeting some "trainers" or whatever, and get a shot of Blackbeard saying something creepy. And maybe a new Wanted Poster for Luffy, and one for Buggy.
I predict that chapter 582 will be the "two months later..." one.
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I really hope you're kidding when you say that if something has two options it's 50% for each because that is a big logic fail. Today I can get hit by a meteorite, or not. That doesn't make it 50% to happen.
I for one didn't think Ace was going to die. Oda hadn't killed anyone ever so it didn't look very likely. The only thing that made me even consider it was the fact that Ace's continuation in the story if he survived was rather unclear. His dream of becoming PK, or making WB PK, seemed to conflict with Luffy's dream too much, so either Ace would have to bow out or they'd become rivals, neither seemed a good way to go.
dude, being hit by a meteorite just is almost the most unlikely thing to happen to anybody, that alone has a change of like 0,00000000000000000000001% so what are you comparing anyway?
Ace was going to get executed by the marines. You could only chose between will he die or not, it has NOTHING to do with meteorites and probability at all. It was one of those 2, even if he were to be hit by meteorites . . . (which is perfectly legit in OPverse anyway because someone could have meteorite meteorite fruit)
Anyway, I get your point but it simply isn't anything that has to do with my post seeing there really only were 2 options to begin with (concerning Ace and Whitebeards death) -
dude, being hit by a meteorite just is almost the most unlikely thing to happen to anybody, that alone has a change of like 0,00000000000000000000001% so what are you comparing anyway?
Ace was going to get executed by the marines. You could only chose between will he die or not, it has NOTHING to do with meteorites and probability at all. It was one of those 2, even if he were to be hit by meteorites . . . (which is perfectly legit in OPverse anyway because someone could have meteorite meteorite fruit)
Anyway, I get your point but it simply isn't anything that has to do with my post seeing there really only were 2 options to begin with (concerning Ace and Whitebeards death)hahahaha.
Sorry but your logic is a bit messed up.
Think about what he was saying.Just that ace couldve died or lived doesnt mean it was a 50/50 situation.
There were plenty of reasons that would make it not just a 50/50 situation, essentially the only thing that would be 50/50 would be life or death, but when you start adding the details that support both sides of the coin, its no longer just a 50/50 situation.
Like, He said, I could go out and get hit by a meteorite, or not get hit by a meteorite. Technically, that could be considered 50/50, if your coming from the logic of ONLY getting hit by a meteorite or not getting hit by a meteorite, but when you start adding facts that support getting hit, or not getting hit, its no longer just a 50/50 situation.
Think about what he said -.-
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I hope I will not get hit by a meteorite before the end of one piece (after i don't care)…
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Of course Akainu pissed.
Someone stronger than him shows up, and he can't get what he wants.Akainu don't hesitate at all fighting WB,(and WB suppose to be the strongest man alive in his prime time)
but against Shanks, he's biting his own lips and FOR THE FIRST TIME he keep his mouth shut. And that's how strong shanks is
And he looks like He almost cried.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/580-92/12Their rivalry over? where do you get that idea from?
shanks always drink beer/celebrate with almost everyone.
They were celebrating about luffy, cos mihawk bring some news about luffy's bounty.
And when ace came to see shanks, they were also celebrating about ace being luffy's brother.and again, where do you get the idea that mihawk is equal to shanks? Haha
Actually, as much as id love to support your point.
I think Akainu was just submitting to the fact that they couldnt take on both whitebeards crew and Shanks' crew. And if he tried he would just get butt-raped right away, even though Akainu is the king of badassery, even he should know his own limits, im pretty sure taking on two Yonkous crews alone is pass his area of expertise.
I also think he was just aware of the fact that Sengoku wanted to lay down arms too and not continue the bloodshed.
On top of that, i think most of them consider Shanks a "good" pirate, kind of like Luffy.
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Oh lol remember in the past Shanks and Buggy were constantly fighting…. oh mine that means that Buggy is equal to Shanks and Whitebeard! Oh shaddap....
Mihawk maybe constantly challenged Shanks to a Swordsmanship duel.
When Mihawks meets Shanks to show him Luffy's bounty, Shanks warns Mihawk if Mihawk is seeking a fight that he is not in a good mood. Why warn Mihawk of such thing if Mihawk is equal to him ? It rather sounds like Shanks is stronger and warns him that he may fight with more than just just Swordsmanship's skills.
Shanks > Mihawk, firstly cause of their Ranks and secondly cause Shanks has more than his Sword to fight with and thirdly how they talk to each other.
Let's have it this way until other is proven by Oda himself. -
Actually, as much as id love to support your point.
I think Akainu was just submitting to the fact that they couldnt take on both whitebeards crew and Shanks' crew. And if he tried he would just get butt-raped right away, even though Akainu is the king of badassery, even he should know his own limits, im pretty sure taking on two Yonkous crews alone is pass his area of expertise.
I also think he was just aware of the fact that Sengoku wanted to lay down arms too and not continue the bloodshed.
On top of that, i think most of them consider Shanks a "good" pirate, kind of like Luffy.
Everything are still prediction, I just like the idea that Akainu don't even speak one word in front shanks. He's just speechless, no more justice bullshit. And that face is just priceless.
But I'm pretty sure to stop the war Shanks must to have massive power.
Not just shichibukai level. And yep, everyone respect shanks, but that respect must come from somewhere.
For a world goverment to respect a pirates is just not Onepiece.
Shanks must be super incredible. HEHEBut I dont think akainu stop cos sengoku wanna stop the blood shed.
Akainu loves blood shed. He even kill tried his own (coby). -
Of course Akainu pissed.
Someone stronger than him shows up, and he can't get what he wants.Akainu don't hesitate at all fighting WB,(and WB suppose to be the strongest man alive in his prime time)
but against Shanks, he's biting his own lips and FOR THE FIRST TIME he keep his mouth shut. And that's how strong shanks is
And he looks like He almost cried.
http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/580-92/12Their rivalry over? where do you get that idea from?
shanks always drink beer/celebrate with almost everyone.
They were celebrating about luffy, cos mihawk bring some news about luffy's bounty.
And when ace came to see shanks, they were also celebrating about ace being luffy's brother.and again, where do you get the idea that mihawk is equal to shanks? Haha
So your saying Shanks is stronger then WB?? he isn't stronger and he was bitng his lips because he is pissed off and wants to fight.
Shanks ask him if he came to fight and he says "I don't fight one arm shankss" Which means it's over unless Shanks can grow a damn arm.
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Oh lol remember in the past Shanks and Buggy were constantly fighting…. oh mine that means that Buggy is equal to Shanks and Whitebeard! Oh shaddap....
Mihawk maybe constantly challenged Shanks to a Swordsmanship duel.
When Mihawks meets Shanks to show him Luffy's bounty, Shanks warns Mihawk if Mihawk is seeking a fight that he is not in a good mood. Why warn Mihawk of such thing if Mihawk is equal to him ? It rather sounds like Shanks is stronger and warns him that he may fight with more than just just Swordsmanship's skills.
Shanks > Mihawk, firstly cause of their Ranks and secondly cause Shanks has more than his Sword to fight with and thirdly how they talk to each other.
Let's have it this way until other is proven by Oda himself.LMAO Who cares if Shanks is in a good mood or not?? Mihawk walks into a youkou island not giving a F?? Had his crew members pissing there pants. Shanks is just lucky Mihawk doesn't fight the handicap.
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The cover of this chapter featuring the non-Straw Hats (and non-pirates for that matter) makes we wonder about something that I've been mulling over in my mind since Coby's speech and Mantra-ish ability last week.
We know that there are loads of corrupt Marines. We also know that a lot of Marines believe in a type of "absolute justice" that can't really be called "justice" at all. Then you've got Marines like Smoker, Coby, etc, who actually have a good sense of what's right and what's wrong.
I'm thinking that Sengoku will want to keep as many Marines at Marineford as possible to help rebuild, but Smoker will want to leave to chase after Luffy again. Sengoku won't want this to happen. Tashigi will then pipe up, as will Coby and Helmeppo, then quite possibly Hina, Jango, and Fullbody since Jango and Fullbody have grudges against the Straw Hats and Hina seems to have respect for Smoker. So Sengoku will be in a tough spot, with a bunch of excited Marines wanting to chase after Luffy…then Aokiji will offer to go along with the team to make sure everything remains under control. Sengoku will finally cave.
So in addition to the 8 other Supernova crews in the New World, the Straw Hats will have to face this Marine crew, which might eventually learn enough about the World Government's past to turn into a Renegade faction.
I'd say this is feasible, right? Oda has obviously hinted that we can expect some big things from Coby, and has also hinted that Smoker and Tashigi have qualms with the way the higher-ups are running things ("Tell them to eat shit.").
I'll support this is it leads to Aokiji vs. Akainu and a marine civil war arc.
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LMAO Who cares if Shanks is in a good mood or not?? Mihawk walks into a youkou island not giving a F?? Had his crew members pissing there pants. Shanks is just lucky Mihawk doesn't fight the handicap.
Hahahahahahaha, do you even read onepiece? shanks is a really friendly pirate, anyone can come to him and go just like that, shanks isnt going to kill anyone. Ofcourse mihawk can come go just like that,
Clue: read the FIRST chapter, and you'll understand. Hehehehe…....just in case you missed that.
So your saying Shanks is stronger then WB?? he isn't stronger and he was bitng his lips because he is pissed off and wants to fight.
Shanks ask him if he came to fight and he says "I don't fight one arm shankss" Which means it's over unless Shanks can grow a damn arm.
Hahaha, if Akainu wanna fight, he dont bite his lips, he'll be trowing his fist.
But instead, he just stand still and bite his lips. He even looks wanna cryWB is stronger in his prime time, but in my opinion Shanks might be stronger than WB now.
Again, you can bullshit about mihawk beeing equal to shanks,
but all you do is just talk,
you dont tell anything why do you think mihawk is equal. -
I know that the last couple arcs were important to the story and everything, and a lot of really badass fights are happening, but I can't really say i've enjoyed them that much. I started rewatching the anime and my god is it better than where they are now. I know a lot of people love seeing whitebeard and shanks and akainu etc. fighting, but I'm getting kinda bored of seeing who's stronger. I really can't wait for the crew to get back together and go on some adventures again. Me and my friends all agree that one piece is great, but if oda made the pictures from the color walks into arcs, holy balls.
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Hahahahahahaha, do you even read onepiece? shanks is a really friendly pirate, anyone can come to him and go just like that, shanks isnt going to kill anyone. Ofcourse mihawk can come go just like that,
Clue: read the FIRST chapter, and you'll understand. Hehehehe…....just in case you missed that.
Hahaha, if Akainu wanna fight, he dont bite his lips, he'll be trowing his fist.
But instead, he just stand still and bite his lips. He even looks wanna cryWB is stronger in his prime time, but in my opinion Shanks might be stronger than WB now.
Again, you can bullshit about mihawk beeing equal to shanks,
but all you do is just talk,
you dont tell anything why do you think mihawk is equal.Weeell… I think even buggy's stronger the whitebeard -now- buuut I'd say that without devilfruit Shanks would have been stronger, but with the devilfruit whitebeard would've had him.
And it's clear why Mihawk doesn't want to fight a one arm shanks, because he's a better swordsman then shanks with one arm, so Shanks would have to use his Haki, and thats where Mihawk would get his arse handed to him.
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hahahaha.
Sorry but your logic is a bit messed up.
Think about what he was saying.Just that ace couldve died or lived doesnt mean it was a 50/50 situation.
There were plenty of reasons that would make it not just a 50/50 situation, essentially the only thing that would be 50/50 would be life or death, but when you start adding the details that support both sides of the coin, its no longer just a 50/50 situation.
Like, He said, I could go out and get hit by a meteorite, or not get hit by a meteorite. Technically, that could be considered 50/50, if your coming from the logic of ONLY getting hit by a meteorite or not getting hit by a meteorite, but when you start adding facts that support getting hit, or not getting hit, its no longer just a 50/50 situation.
Think about what he said -.-
WTF are you saying? Neither you nor wintergt are making any sense.
What flandrian is saying is that when the possibilities are narrowed down within a story to two possible outcomes, then you can side with either one or the other, and regardless of which one is more likely, your choices are still 2. This means that someone along the way will decide, even if one of the choices is next to impossible, to side with it. What he means is that when a story development polarizes all predictions to either one thing or another, someone is bound to predict it.
Lets use your ridiculous meteorite thingy. If a meteorite was about to crash into Marineford, and the story showed us this meteorite about to crash into Marineford, and a shot of Sengoku with a panicking WTF face, and we are left with a cliffhanger to next chapter, people will say either
a)The meteor will crash
b)The meteor will not crashOf course there are many details like for instance, if the meteor does not crash then who will destroy it? But on the matter of whether or not the meteor does not crash, there are only to choices to predict. This means that even if it is very unlikely that the meteor crashes and destroys marineford, because someone is bound to stop it, nonetheless some people will get on the side of the meteor crashing.
On the matter of Ace, who was about to be executed, there were also only two choices.
a)He is not executed
b)He is executedThe probability of each happenning is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. What the man is saying is that when there are only two choices to make on a prediction, some people are bound to get it right, because some people can always stick to something even if it is unlikely.
And guess what? There were a bunch of people who believed Ace would die. So there you have it. Was it likely that Oda would start killing all of a sudden? No. But people chose to side with that prediction anyway.
A polarizing discussion leaves only two choices. If people obsess over whether or not Ace will die, then to discuss the matter and take a stand you must choose either Ace dies or Ace doesnt die.
It is the same with any yes or no question. Will Ace Die? Will it rain tomorrow? Is it Summer over there? Do you have a dog? Are you retarded? Wait that last one is subject to gradation.
A story can only result in two outcomes=someone will get it right. Probabilty blah blah hoopla shitbrains? Irrelevant.
This is a post about generalization and semantics. You ask a yes or no question, then you will get 2 possible answers.
Will Ace die? We could have said yes for many excellent reasons, or no for many excellent reasons. Did Ace die? Yes
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Weeell… I think even buggy's stronger the whitebeard -now- buuut I'd say that without devilfruit Shanks would have been stronger, but with the devilfruit whitebeard would've had him.
And it's clear why Mihawk doesn't want to fight a one arm shanks, because he's a better swordsman then shanks with one arm, so Shanks would have to use his Haki, and thats where Mihawk would get his arse handed to him.
Its pretty simple to me,
Mihawk doesn't want to fight shanks in that island cos he know how strong Shanks is when he got two arms, and loosing one arm meaning give mihawk a handicap. And he don't like handicap.I think shanks is about a man that can surpass devilfruit user.
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Wow almost everybody dodged my post because they are obviously all guilty. And despite what I said they still go on about it.
I think what's more important is the fact that Whitebeard died so it allow for other pirates to shine.
You know everybody is rushing saying I want this arc to end and here you have it. I would rather have everything to be executed nicely even if it takes a while rather than have it rush.
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Wow almost everybody dodged my post because they are obviously all guilty. And despite what I said they still go on about it.
I think what's more important is the fact that Whitebeard died so it allow for other pirates to shine.
You know everybody is rushing saying I want this arc to end and here you have it. I would rather have everything to be executed nicely even if it takes a while rather than have it rush.
You are severely, no, drastically overestimating how much this forum pays attention to you, or most anyone. Dodged your post? Which post? Tragic.
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If anything Im underestimating this forums ability to be dumb and ignorant sometimes.
Considering the amount of people in this forum I don't really care if I go unnoticed or I don't get a reply.
But Im mentioned something and people still go on about it even thought I said it 5 pages ago.
Also this whole probability stuff is retarded. No there is not always two options in a story there can be multiple possibilities. But if you take the amount of people in the internet you're bound to have someone get it right.
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Let me ask this. Does unpredictability= good?
I mean One Piece surely has been completely mind blowing and unpredictable but it's not always a good thing for events to be unpredictable.
And I think Oda has a made a very unique balance of unpredictability and predictability.
some of the stupidity in this forum makes me want to regret having the ability to read.
lawls
Unpredictability given how plays out can be both good and bad but is usually good with a talented/skilled author. Predictability is usually bad, creates monotony especially when you thoroughly enjoy and are impressed with a talented/skilled author's ability to consistently display the opposite to readers.
Happy now whoever you are? It's not like you quoted anybody or that anyone's obligated to respond to a post that's neutral as fuck and isn't really focusing on what's being discussed in the argument.
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
lawls
Unpredictability given how plays out can be both good and bad but is usually good with a talented/skilled author. Predictability is usually bad, creates monotony especially when you thoroughly enjoy and are impressed with a talented/skilled author's ability to consistently display the opposite to readers.
Happy now whoever you are? It's not like you quoted anybody or that anyone's obligated to respond to a post that's neutral as fuck and isn't really focusing on what's being discussed in the argument.
Thanks for saving the day captain obvious. Saving the day for us.
Nobody is obligated to read my post when did I say that? There is no rule that says that but if you want to be an idiot just because you can then I don't even know what to say.
How the hell is my post no focused on the argument?
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Thanks for saving the day captain obvious. Saving the day for us.
Nobody is obligated to read my post when did I say that? There is no rule that says that but if you want to be an idiot just because you can then I don't even know what to say.
How the hell is my post no focused on the argument?
You're questioning whether unpredictability is good and then go on to state the obvious by saying Oda balances both and praise him for that.
We were arguing actual events that happened in the arc and whether they were predictable or not.
But after reading your other posts it's pretty clear I've wasted my time. I mean you claim members have dodged your post because they're guilty of something? Guilty of what? You didn't even accuse anyone of anything. Should've just ignored you.
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Will Ace die? We could have said yes for many excellent reasons, or no for many excellent reasons. Did Ace die? Yes
Did you drop on your head as a baby? How on earth can you make such a long post and not realize somewhere down the line you're totally wrong? Making an arbitrary division of two options does NOT make both of them magically 50% to be true.
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Did you drop on your head as a baby? How on earth can you make such a long post and not realize somewhere down the line you're totally wrong? Making an arbitrary division of two options does NOT make both of them magically 50% to be true.
Wow you really can't read can you.
I distilled the essence of what flandrian was trying to say, excluding the wrong.
You quote a little portion of my post, and it doesn't even contain this talk about 50%, something I never backed. EVER. I never said it.
It's pretty shitty when you go out of your way just to be proven that you are talking to people who are either too full of themselves to actually read what you are saying or to dim to understand it.
Hell, I even mention it multiple times that one outcome could be more probable than the other, but that it's irrelevant. Wow.
YOU REALLY DON'T READ AT ALL. IT'S FUCKING FRUSTRATING.
I warn you that if you do come back with a "witty" remark I will fucking quote myself in all the multiple times I actually allow for the fact that probabilities are not equal.
GOD FUCKING DAMNIT.
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people who said that this arc is predictable are obviously some retards who want to be different and smartasses, just what is the unpredictable in your standards anyway -_-
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people who said that this arc is predictable are obviously some retards who want to be different and smartasses, just what is the unpredictable in your standards anyway -_-
Well I would find it very unpredictable if the entire next chapter is devoted to a Tsuru and T-Bone sex scene.
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Well I would find it very unpredictable if the entire next chapter is devoted to a Tsuru and T-Bone sex scene.
Now that's unpredictable.
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Well I would find it very unpredictable if the entire next chapter is devoted to a Tsuru and T-Bone sex scene.
You heard it here first, folks. Do it, Oda! :ninja:
Let's take this as an example to repeat what UsoppSpell has already stated about everything.
The probability of Tsuru and T-Bone having a sex scene in the next chapter is very low. However, when predicting things about this, you've only really got two options. You can say that there will or there won't be a sex scene. If you say, that there might be a sex scene, that's not a prediction, and it's impossible to "kind of" have a sex scene. It's either a sex scene or it isn't a sex scene.
The same thing applies to Ace's death. When predicting whether or not he'll get executed, he's either going to die or he's not going to die. It's not like he could do both or neither. He's not Schrodinger's cat.
I think you've just been overanalyzing and overthinking the whole thing, wintergt. It's like…well, we're not really talking probability at all.
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You quote a little portion of my post, and it doesn't even contain this talk about 50%, something I never backed. EVER. I never said it.
Yet that is ALL I was talking about. Here's the exact quote:
Either way, things that have only 2 choices (in this case dead or alive) when it comes to predicting are just plain stupid seeing you will get it right 50% of the time anyway
If you want to rewrite what he said that is fine but has nothing to do with me. I don't normally nitpick on details like this but I responded because stating it this way trivializes the death but it was actually pretty unlikely that Oda was going to go against the way he had been writing the story for over 12 years, as is evidenced by the bombshell reaction it got when Ace actually died.
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Yet that is ALL I was talking about. Here's the exact quote:
If you want to rewrite what he said that is fine but has nothing to do with me. I responded because stating it this way trivializes the death but it was actually pretty unlikely that Oda was going to go against the way he had been writing the story for over 12 years now, as is evidenced by the bombshell it was when Ace died.
There is so much fucking underhandedness in this post.
First you answer my post by quoting something from me, and then you add a second quote that IS NOT FROM ME right under it and it sure as hell makes it seem like it's mine. If anyone else is reading this that quote is not mine, and you know it.
As for what I actually meant, winter, is that I think it was pretty clear what flandrian meant, he just got caught up in his own words, and you just exploited his wording. I know very well that it's not 50%-50%, and you probably knew that I didn't as well, but you sure as hell could have worked out that what he(flandrian) meant was what I said instead of trying to flesh out some menial flawed mathematics.
Get it Memorized, thanks for the breather :D