–-The Mystery of One Piece...solved?---
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One Piece… is in your heart!
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What if ussop became pirate king though
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I think one piece is one piece of really tasty choclate.
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I think One Piece "Mirror" ending would be ok, but I remember reading some really good theories can someone repost them?
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what was the point of this?
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What was the point of you asking?
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What if ussop became pirate king though
I still think that Buggy will become the "Pirate King" known to the world in general…
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I think what Gol D. Roger left behind was not money, but maybe a picture of him and Edward newgate or him holding ace as a child, idk, but I dont hink its money, but something that had no value which he adored.
Jesus christ do you even read the manga, roger was long dead before ace was even born, lol.
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Also, all poneglyphs are pieces which put together will reveal the true history. Out of all the poneglyphs, only one contains what all other poneglyphs do and that is the rio poneglyph. It literally is the "One Piece"
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I've seen this claim sometimes, and it became more popular since the Ohara flashback. What none of the theories have explained is WHY a stone block is One Piece. It has some history written on it – So did the Skypiea block. What exactly is it that makes this particular piece of history so important? Civilizations are born and lost all the time. Whatever this Lombax culture invented back in the lost history is all mere speculation at the current point in the timeline. They could have been a culture of banana farmers with no military power whatsoever, just as easily. If we take Clover's explanation at face value, we also have to accept that the Gorousei knows everything that Clover did and more. Doesn't your theory imply that Gorousei is aware what the One Piece is and means? Though with everything WB said before dying, there is a certain degree of merit in this line of thought.
The Gorousei are clearly aware that something lies on Raftel, and it would certainly go a long way towards ending the pirate era if the marines went there and collected it themselves. The problem is, they can't; The marines seem to have a much smaller presence in the new world, and no one has made even the most half-hearted claim that they've seen the One Piece.
As far as why the secret history is so dangerous to the government, there are a few factors to consider:First, the World Government gets all of its power from the individual nations. If everyone were to secede, the marines would lose all funding and it would collapse.
Second, many World Government soldiers use devil fruits, and their forces would be severely weakened if for some reason all devil fruits stopped working. That may sound silly, but ask yourself, do we have any sort of grasp on how devil fruits work? It was long thought that no human could possess two devil fruit powers, but now Blackbeard does.
Third, the World Government has such a weak grip on piracy that they're forced to employ former pirates, who (surprise) turn out to be untrustworthy scheming villains.
The instant any of these three aspects of the World Government are threatened (and the Shichibukai have been), they're in serious danger, indicating that although the government has lasted for a long time, it's not very stable.
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I still think that Buggy will become the "Pirate King" known to the world in general…
Oh no, please no "Goku- Mr. Satan ( Hercule in English?)" situation xD
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I immediatly become site administrator if this turns out to be true btw.
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"OP is meant to be for children" .
Dunno if children really want the One Piece to be the Rio Poneglpyph in a pirates story. I mean .. Oda would reveal the OP to be some shit about history o_o .. Then again, children love mysteries and such. Oh well, it's up to you Oda .
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Hmm nice theory–-The one piece itself... Might be the poneglyph. I think it’s more like the absolute freedom to live in peace. (Thinking about the comment Luffy made to Rayleigh about not wanting to conquer anything, just thinking the Pirate King'd have the most freedom of anyone---he and the barista gal were very impressed.)
One Piece written for children? Not young ones. Maybe younger teens, although, much like the Harry Potter series, it appears to be getting deeper and growing along with the original readers. (ID arc is a classic example. What sort of young child could understand the implied question in Newkamaland being inside IP? Oh–Maybe here would be a good place to mention that I think that implied questions is; What is true perversion? People for whom gender is fluid and unimportant, or people who have, at the least, a skewed view of what justice is (torturing prisoners for no apparent reason?) As I’m sure many have already mentioned (or maybe not, sorry, didn’t do a search to make sure--so anyway I think...), the whole Newkama thing is a reference to "Cabaret," which involves cross dressers in a cabaret and is set in Nazi Germany, and if memory serves, raises very similar questions about Nazi Gernamny itself). The connection to Nazis was mentioned by several others here in different threads--that the uniforms in ID are very SS looking. Yes—Oda is a genius. We all know that.)
I do think there might be some truth in the poneglyph theory, but I also think there's something else about the one piece. The manga discussion of “the will of D” by WB in his last fight with Teach as I read it seems to me to imply that there is something required to find whatever the one piece is—and that in order to have it, you need to be a “D.”
The other important thing is the fact that Rayleigh implies that when the Poneglysh is read, the interpretation of what went on during the lost history isn’t so clear cut. Perhaps a shaking of what the whole idea of justice is? Maybe the WG started as heroes? Maybe the existence of horrifying weapons of mass destruction means there was a reason the old world order was overthrown. Maybe the current WG and the original Celestial Dragons were lauded for a reason, as saviors, but over all this time got perverted by their single-minded pursuit of “justice” to the point where they lost sight of why justice is important to begin with? The old “absolute power corrupts absolutely” theory. (Although I do see this doesn’t explain why they need to keep the history of that time period hidden… Unless it’s the weapons they fear—or there’s something to the “D”-ness that would make people want them to rule, or feel they are somehow the chosen to rule, and the WG needs to cover that up so their rule won’t be thought of as somehow illegitimate?)
So my theory is that the true “one piece” will turn out to be something to do with freedom. Yeah, lame and too vague. Ah well. Can’t be helped.
And I am new to the forums, so… "Yoroshiku."
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"OP is meant to be for children" .
Dunno if children really want the One Piece to be the Rio Poneglpyph in a pirates story. I mean .. Oda would reveal the OP to be some shit about history o_o .. Then again, children love mysteries and such. Oh well, it's up to you Oda .
Yeah, that's why the whole concept of the Poneglyphs as well as Robin's character don't exist. Good point. Kids would hate that shit!
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@JERK:
Yeah, that's why the whole concept of the Poneglyphs as well as Robin's character don't exist. Good point. Kids would hate that shit!
Isn't this pretty pointless, this thread…
You want recognition for something like this?
Seems unimportant.
You can claim that the Rio Poneglyph will buy the world, like Gaimon had said in chapter 22 about OP.
Wealth, fame, power, and all that nonsense can be given by the Rio Poneglyph; true.
But really, what's the point of making a big deal of this?
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Isn't this pretty pointless, this thread…
You want recognition for something like this?
Seems unimportant.
You can claim that the Rio Poneglyph will buy the world, like Gaimon had said in chapter 22 about OP.
Wealth, fame, power, and all that nonsense can be given by the Rio Poneglyph; true.
But really, what's the point of making a big deal of this?
This is why you shouldn't have fucked with me. This thread.
C'mon Son!
Jealous nigga.
Also I made this five years ago before you were born.
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@JERK:
This is why you shouldn't have fucked with me. This thread.
C'mon Son!
Jealous nigga.
Also I made this five years ago before you were born.
You made it when Robin said, "Rio Poneglyph is what I'm looking for?"
Or when she read it on Sky Island?
Please, do share…
No, I'm not Jealous, it's just that you shouldn't brag for this thing, since it's not that "hard" to figure out… I can help you support this theory, if you want.
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I may be bad at numbers and stuff, but how is it "5 years" exactly?
May 21st, 2006, 03:42 PM
Please, do share… It's barely "four" even... Hmmm... It's not you exaggerating, it's just that I cannot count… Figures!!
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You made it when Robin said, "Rio Poneglyph is what I'm looking for?"
Or when she read it on Sky Island?
Please, do share…
No, I'm not Jealous, it's just that you shouldn't brag for this thing, since it's not that "hard" to figure out… I can help you support this theory, if you want.
Go back to the old pages and see just how "easy" it was, I made it after the Ohara flashback.
You weren't around AGOG (again showing your age), it wasn't something people thought of much.
Hindsight is 20/20, and since you weren't there you can't play pretend, ahahaha. "Of course" you would of thought the same. But I don't have to make claims like you.
Oh and I don't need your help four years ago.
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I may be bad at numbers and stuff, but how is it "5 years" exactly?
[qimg]http://apforums.net/images/blaze/statusicon/post_old.gif[/qimg] May 21st, 2006, 03:42 PM
Please, do share… It's barely "four" even... Hmmm... It's not you exaggerating, it's just that I cannot count… Figures!!
You have no idea how long those years are do you. In terms of manga passing.
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@JERK:
Go back to the old pages and see just how "easy" it was, I made it after the Ohara flashback.
You weren't around AGOG (again showing your age), it wasn't something people thought of much.
Hindsight is 20/20, and since you weren't there you can't play pretend, ahahaha. "Of course" you would of thought the same. But I don't have to make claims like you.
Oh and I don't need your help four years ago.
You have no idea how long those years are do you. In terms of manga passing.
Wow… you made it when Ohara occured... :getlost:
That's kind of pathetic. It was already stated in "fact" before that. Back when chapter 303 hadn't even come out... Sad, right?
But seriously, people are saying that Raftel is "Ancient Kingdom" when that came out, not about "Rio = OP" since that was pretty much all but confirmed during the recent arcs.
You really don't deserve any reward. It's not a big deal, you were way late compared to it... Oda spent all that wasted time introducing the Poneglyphs long before that Ohara flashback, it's pretty simple that there's a reason to it and when she "says" about what she is looking for, back before she joins the crew, it should click when Oda focused a whole arc on the Poneglyph directly after that: Skypiea.
If it didn't click, then you just needed an extra push and in came the whole CP9 thing just to prevent any disagreement. However, since there are people that couldn't get a clue, Oda showed the proof to seal it shut in this saga, mostly about Rayleigh.
It's not really "impressive" when you can make it out before you even have all the "details."
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I always thought that the race which came from the moon and settled down on the blue planet formed the "Ancient kingdom" since it also got destroyed by the other countries as they were much more developed and saw them as a threat.
Or did I misunderstood something?
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I think most of us are probably aware that the mystery of One Piece is related to: (from the earliest revealed facts to the latest)
- Raftel
- The secret to becoming Pirate King
- The Will of D
- Rio Ponegylph (strongly implied)
- a conspiracy with the World Government
- A world war/battle, engulfing the world
Elastic swindler made some good points that I'm pretty much in agreement with.
@Elastic_Swindler:What none of the theories have explained is WHY a stone block is One Piece.
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Civilizations are born and lost all the time. Whatever this Lombax culture invented back in the lost history is all mere speculation at the current point in the timeline.
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Gorousei knows everything that Clover did and more. Doesn't your theory imply that Gorousei is aware what the One Piece is and means? Though with everything WB said before dying, there is a certain degree of merit in this line of thought.
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Same goes with One Piece being a piece of history or some other abstract treasure, it means nothing without the correct context.The key to his and my response that we need to ask more "why" questions regarding the clues that have been given. For example, for particular importance is the fact that Whitebeard has explicitly stated that One Piece and the "will of D" would cause a great war that will engulf the world. Now what the hell would invoke such a thing? Why would the discovery of One Piece cause a world war, and more interestingly, why didn't it happen when Roger and his crew found it long ago. To me this is a really important question central to the mystery of One Piece.
RoboBlue brings up some possible solutions@RoboBlue:
First, the World Government gets all of its power from the individual nations. If everyone were to secede, the marines would lose all funding and it would collapse.
But would the collapse of the WG necessarily mean world war??
Second, many World Government soldiers use devil fruits, and their forces would be severely weakened if for some reason all devil fruits stopped working. That may sound silly, but ask yourself, do we have any sort of grasp on how devil fruits work? It was long thought that no human could possess two devil fruit powers, but now Blackbeard does.
Now that is an interesting theory!! The owner of the One Piece MAY have some power over all DF users. That would also make being recognized as the Pirate King a lot easier. Solid theory here, folks!!
Third, the World Government has such a weak grip on piracy that they're forced to employ former pirates, who (surprise) turn out to be untrustworthy scheming villains.
I think this may be related to another point you (Roboblue) bring up:
The Gorousei are clearly aware that something lies on Raftel, and it would certainly go a long way towards ending the pirate era if the marines went there and collected it themselves. The problem is, they can't; The marines seem to have a much smaller presence in the new world, and no one has made even the most half-hearted claim that they've seen the One Piece.
Perhaps it is because the Marines have a weaker grip in the New World, that the Government needs the Shichibukai. This point supports the theory that Whitebeard dying has allowed the Government to kill imbeciles like Moria, whose influence in the New world is shallow. It is probably quite difficult for Marines to move around in the New World, so employing pirates is the best solution.
Now regarding the question of the World Government's involvement in the One Piece. It obvious that the Government wants to protect the secret of OP, but it doesn't necessarily imply that they know the secret in its entirety. Now if they do know about the secret of One Piece, and it is, in fact, just a piece of history, then it makes "finding" the One Piece comparable with "knowing about" the One Piece. In other words, it would be too easy. People who were on Roger's ship, like Rayleigh, Crocus, Shanks, and even Buggy, would be privy to such information, and could tell whoever they please. Of course, you're probably saying, well at least Buggy wouldn't know. Orrrr he just doesn't understand the knowledge he possesses, like if the truth about OP is embedded in a riddle of sorts. Still, that would be too easy in my mind. The fact is…. One Piece as a piece of information or history.... would mean that anybody could be TOLD about it, and that, I think, cannot be the case. It's got to be way WAY more complicated than that.
Case in point would be that Rayleigh definitely knows about the secret of One Piece, and a guy like him would probably understand what it is and how it affects the world. And obviously he doesn't have to be a "D" in order to know about the secret. So perhaps you do have to be a "D" to wield its power????
From this I think there is a chance that One Piece is actually an object that carries some kind of power, but its affect on the owner or wielder of its power changes considerably depending on the wishes of the person in question. So if Blackbeard got a hold of it, he could use it as a weapon like Pluton (or whatever the hell the name is), and if Luffy or Roger got a hold of it, he would achieve the ultimate freedom. I'm talking out of my ass now..... but the point is, it can't just be an idea, or a piece of information. I think it's got to have more strings attached!!
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I have feeling the Gorousei have traveled to the new world and attempted to get to Raftel. Think about lilke this if they all have knowledge of the True History the next best thing for them to do is eliminate any physical evidence of it. Destroying Raftel and the Rio Ponelglyph would allow them to completely control the history of the world and warp it to their needs.
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At first I also thought it was impossible that the Government hadn't been Raftel, but you may be right, if they have been to Raftel, then the smartest thing to do is to destroy it.
Somehow I doubt this…. It just doesn't seem right if Luffy can never get to Raftel... it's like the legendary island of the final boss level kind of thing. Epics like One Piece must have some kind of suitable final stage, and Oda has mentioned Raftel as that stage since the very beginning. It would be so wrong if Raftel was destroyed. . . like a low blow of sorts. Not to mention it can't be that easy to level a legendary island.
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And you would think that Rayleigh might have said something if the government was able to destroy One Piece.
Why would the discovery of One Piece cause a world war, and more interestingly, why didn't it happen when Roger and his crew found it long ago. To me this is a really important question central to the mystery of One Piece.
If One Piece is information related to the blank century, then Roger probably just didn't want to reveal it to the world at the time, possibly because he was sick and wouldn't be able to see what would happen to the world. So if that's the case, then the reason the world will be engulfed in war when One Piece is discovered would probably be because someone who can read the ancient language is necessary to get to it (or Raftel), and more likely than not, those people would choose to reveal the truth.
But would the collapse of the WG necessarily mean world war??
If the WG were to suddenly vanish, then the world would fall into anarchy and civilization would probably be destroyed by pirates. It might not be a war that has clearly defined sides, but if (hypothetically) if One Piece revealed something that caused the world to completely turn against the World Government and abandon them, you can bet there would be war. The government would be fighting to reclaim their power (and they're already spread pretty thin), and the newly independent governments, which no longer have the World Government's protection, would be trying to protect themselves from looters and restore order.
If One Piece is just information, then I guess the reason for the treasure being left at Raftel is that whatever is at Raftel is the only proof of what happened in the past, and without it, what Roger's crew could say are just rumors.
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Raftel is probably like no man's land all the other crews have made it inaccessible due to the fact all the Yonkou and lesser crews have carved up territory all along the New World. Add that in with the crazy creatures such as Dragons and other monstrosities and it is probably hard to actually reach it with out being the strongest man in the world.
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Had pirates always kept such a strong hold over the New World though? Why didn't the WG from decades ago (before the Golden Age of Piracy) go to Raftel and destroy whatever is on it?
I remember reading somewhere (this forum?) on a speculation that the current geographic formation of the OP world is man-made, and One Piece might hold the power to make all the four seas into one (haha All Blue right there).
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So basically it seems that all of the SHs dreams have to do something with One Piece(excluding a few).
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Yeah that goes along with my theory that Devil Fruits are all engineered. All the fruits seem to have a purpose. Somebody like Kizaru , Eneru and Ace could have been used as an energy source . While others like Zoans, and Paramecia could have been useful as physical laborers , and army troops to combat the rising world government. All the islands are linear and they all lead to major areas and hubs were people congregate. The key to all these theories lies in the books found in the river at the bottom of Ohara. The Marines kept those books which detailed the True History in Detail. It wouldn't be far fetched to believe that some of the Gorousei were scholars or peers of the Oharans.
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Bump, because this thread is still relevant.
There's been increased talk about the Moon people and Sky people and I want to hear how people think that ties in with the Poneglyphs and lost civilizations.
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@JERK:
There's been increased talk about the Moon people and Sky people and I want to hear how people think that ties in with the Poneglyphs and lost civilizations.
Greg posted a good theory outlining how the moon people would be related to the story.
http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?p=1644817#post1644817Here's the picture for volume 27 as reference.
! Volume 27 could just be a special case, but this could also mean volume covers are significant which has implications for the volume 25 cover (the cover with Sengoku's pet goat in the center and the digger dude that Buggy ran into on the island with the skull).
I'm curious, how different/more complex has your theory become in the past five years? You ended up being basically correct with the main points five years ago (which I looked back tonight in awe when reexamining the thread), but now there's a whole slew of new information.
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As it is I am not dwelling upon what the connection is, because as it is I don't see it. At least not a natural one, of course I can play the smart ass dude and start talking how they are somewhat connected and how they escaped to the moon and so on and on…
But that would be artificially making things up/ connecting them, things which for now have lose ends.
For now I would be safer to bet that there is no such connection, however you could again argue that people of the moon had some high tech which was basically unseen in OP world and that itself could mean a connection existsAnd I would be in no position to argue against that idea.
So as it is this is my take on it: I am following your initial theory, from the time I have first read it. It seem plausible and more...
As for new data we got from that time we can add:So Roger we not know, was not captured, now if he knew he didn't have much time left, perhaps we can take that as a reason for why he did not act upon learning the information. He simply didn't have any time left, so he did the only thing which to him made sense. The only option with which he would made it so that someone else would carry the mission (perhaps with it the will of D) on.
Now if we take this one step forward. Seeing or at least thinking Raftel is not a place someone can just come to as he pleases, but basically has to be "the King of Pirates" (a very strong of persona and perhaps even that is not enough...) that man would/could be considered special enough to carry on the will of Roger/Ancient Civilization (or Will of D - we ll know it when we learn about it)
And that raises the next question or two of them (at least from my point of view)1. Why is it so hard to come to Raftel, why the other pirates(or even Marines have not been able to do it)
2. Why are there 4 pirates playing the game of Yonkou's instead of going for the Raftel or why they are doing it any way.
I have a post about this my own theory if you would like, which may or may not be true (I would bet on the later) but I think there must be a connection, as to why 4 pirates would be called Yonkou's or even better, why we got that hints of a territories being in play. (as if each one of them has something to guard...?)
Don't know, but that's what some of my take on the whole thing is at this moment.
! Here is the post I made about it. Keep in mind that was just some random guessing and the point behind it was more or less about the territories of the 4 Yonkou's and the meaning behind it. All of the rest is just so people can imagine it better and to get the "point" across
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From what I remember of the cover stories, the winged people didn't escape TO the moon, but rather escaped FROM the moon; something about lack of resources. The thing is, at what point in time did they came down to Earth? Where the winged people around during the lost century era? And more importantly, will they really play a part in OP history, or will it be left as a (very) interesting "detail" about the winged people of Shandora and the Sky islands? As in, "look, they have wings because they came from the moon. That's it".
And if the D. come from the winged people, how come non of them so far has wings? Because they mixed a lot of times with humans and the winged traits vanished with each generation?
And concerning the lost history; Raileigh already knows it, and he didn't seem angry about it in the slightest.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-507/page004.html
He says that "we may have been a little too hasty. . .", like, we may have jumped to conclusions too soon.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-507/page005.html
He even goes as far as saying that there may be different conclusions for different people, so it maybe isn't something like "Old civilisation was good. World Goverment is bad. Avenge us. Thank you. Regards, the old civilisationers. . .".
Remember that the weapons of mass destruction came from the blank century…
Well, I'm drifting here.
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From what I remember of the cover stories, the winged people didn't escape TO the moon, but rather escaped FROM the moon; something about lack of resources. The thing is, at what point in time did they came down to Earth? Where the winged people around during the lost century era? And more importantly, will they really play a part in OP history, or will it be left as a (very) interesting "detail" about the winged people of Shandora and the Sky islands? As in, "look, they have wings because they came from the moon. That's it".
If Calgara's ancestors were winged people as well, then they were at around at least protecting the Jaya poneglyph during the war.
And if the D. come from the winged people, how come non of them so far has wings? Because they mixed a lot of times with humans and the winged traits vanished with each generation?
From the theory Greg posted, that's what happened. I mean, that would also mean that at some point one of them bred with a giant and it eventually led to an almost full blown giant with a hint of moon DNA too. The theory doesn't have the answers to everything.
I'm assuming that it can be definitely said though that the ancient civilization cannot be the moon people since the people from the Sky don't have the D. in their name. Plus, if that were the case, then the world government would've tried to eradicate the sky people too.
And concerning the lost history; Raileigh already knows it, and he didn't seem angry about it in the slightest.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-507/page004.html
He says that "we may have been a little too hasty. . .", like, we may have jumped to conclusions too soon.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-507/page005.html
He even goes as far as saying that there may be different conclusions for different people, so it maybe isn't something like "Old civilisation was good. World Goverment is bad. Avenge us. Thank you. Regards, the old civilisationers. . .".
Remember that the weapons of mass destruction came from the blank century…
I'm assuming that it isn't a black/white case either, but Whitebeard already said the battle is inevitable. Luffy views the world in simple-minded terms. He might not consider the complexity of the truth and just view the World Government as the bad guys.
Or maybe it will just be like how he handled ringing the bell in Skypiea. Luffy personally didn't ring the bell to stop the long war or to bring peace to the Shandian's ancestors. Instead, he rang it for a much simpler reason, so Cricket and the monkeys would realize the city is in the sky so they would stop wasting their lives searching for the city there.
So the war could just be started coincidentally by Luffy because he wants to help his friends, but he also unknowingly is helping fulfill the Will of D.
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Here's just a passing thought I have that expands upon Greg's theory.
For sake of speculation, let's assume the D's are from the moon and were an extremely advanced civilization. Let's assume that this all takes place during the blank century (which I wouldn't be surprised if it actually did).
Now we know during the blank century the great civilization (likely the D's) fell and the World Government was officially formed. If Clover's theory was accurate, we can assume the World Government (and earlier forms of it) were enemies of this civilization.
Now the question arises why the World Government would hide this civilization by making the blank century forbidden to learn. If the WG had outright defeated the D's, why would they want to hide their victory?
My theory comes from what Whitebeard said to Blackbeard. Saying that Teach was not someone that Roger was waiting for.
It's my opinion that the D's may have had a civil war amongst themselves. The D's could have been seperated into two different factions. One side that wanted to live the idyllic peaceful life in their advanced civilzation, and the other that wanted to create the weapons we know of (Pluton, etc).
This second side could've made a deal with the WG equivilent back then to share their secrets and technology in return to eliminate the peaceful side. Possibly, the second side could allowed to partially control and assimilate into a new society.
The society we now know as the World Government.
And to further prove their new combined strength, the WG could've wiped the D's kingdom off the face of the earth.
Now I can't say why the destructive D's would want to eliminate their presumably peaceful counterparts, but this theory itself would explain two things:
- Why D's are still allowed into the WG. People such as Garp or Saul. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if even half of the Gorousei are D's.
- Why the blank century exists. The WG doesn't want the common people to know that they are made up of the same race of people that they themselves destroyed.
Though these destructive D's and their descendants may not all be in the WG. Blackbeard was called as someone who Roger did not wait for. This could imply that Teach is a destructive D while Roger and his bloodline were surviving peaceful D's.
But that's my first theory. I completely admit that it easily can be 100% wrong. This was only an idle theory I came up with given what little we actually know, so feel free to point out where I'm wrong.
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Oh interesting theory RPGJay.
The unknown Civ having a civil war and the Survivors becoming the World Government.
Although makes you wonder if the Tenrybuto(spelling) are hiding anything under their outfits.But wasn't there 3 different winged people from the Moon? Sky Island ones - Jaya ones and then the group Uroge(spelling) belongs too.
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Maybe that's why the World Government doesn't simply get One Piece for themselves? Maybe they have a lot of forces protecting Raftel, and that's why its been taking a lot of time for someone to get One Piece?
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As it is I am not dwelling upon what the connection is, because as it is I don't see it. At least not a natural one, of course I can play the smart ass dude and start talking how they are somewhat connected and how they escaped to the moon and so on and on…
But that would be artificially making things up/ connecting them, things which for now have lose ends.
For now I would be safer to bet that there is no such connection, however you could again argue that people of the moon had some high tech which was basically unseen in OP world and that itself could mean a connection existsOf course there is a connection. You don't make an obscure panel in a cover story about it and not use it afterwards.
The moon people were shown to be able to make robots/cyborgs centuries before vegapunk, and they were on earth all this time… everything has to be connected or else this wouldn't end well. -
Hmmm, what if Raftel is being protected by something or some force of nature?
My theory is that it's completely impossible to get there by ship. There is something that is keeping ships, sea life, etc. from reaching it. Could be possible. -
That sounds plausible, but then, how did the Rio Poneglyph get there in the first place?
Maybe this connects with the theory that the people that wrote the Poneglyphs were aliens, or something like that, maybe they were the ones to have the technology to be able to enter Raftel.Although, that makes me wonder: If that's true, how will Luffy enter there?
Edit: Vegapunk for crewmate? Haha
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@Mr:
That sounds plausible, but then, how did the Rio Poneglyph get there in the first place?
Maybe this connects with the theory that the people that wrote the Poneglyphs were aliens, or something like that, maybe they were the ones to have the technology to be able to enter Raftel.Although, that makes me wonder: If that's true, how will Luffy enter there?
Edit: Vegapunk for crewmate? Haha
If it was some sort of barrier perhaps only those of the D bloodline could enter or unlock it? Would also explain why Shanks and Buggy don't seem to indicate they know what One Piece is.
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That would be very lame, IMO
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If it was some sort of barrier perhaps only those of the D bloodline could enter or unlock it? Would also explain why Shanks and Buggy don't seem to indicate they know what One Piece is.
I would assume that Shanks never went for it because he doesn't want it,the Gorussei said that he wasn't the type to shake the world. As for Buggy, he's more interested in treasure (which should give a hint as to what isn't on the island). Plus he's a bumbling boob.
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@Mr:
That would be very lame, IMO
Not disputing that - I hope it isn't something that follows a fomular like that one.
Has there ever been an image of Raftel in the Manga does anyone recall? I keep thinking there was an image of it somewhere. If I remember right it actually looks like a smallish island.
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Yes, there was, when Crocus talked about it, there was a image of it.
Too lazy to go search for the page, but I guarantee that when Crocus talks about the Grand Line, there's a small sillouete of Raftel -
In any case, what Raftel looked like there isn't necesarily what it'll look like later on in the manga. (Just like the what happened with warlords' appearances compared to back when Yosaku first mentioned them.)
@ultimateclima:
Greg posted a good theory outlining how the moon people would be related to the story.
http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?p=1644817#post1644817Here's the picture for volume 27 as reference.
! [qimg]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_YM8ph1ibrIk/S740JVNeWSI/AAAAAAAABgk/1-J3VxXSjvw/s1600/27.jpg[/qimg]Volume 27 could just be a special case, but this could also mean volume covers are significant which has implications for the volume 25 cover (the cover with Sengoku's pet goat in the center and the digger dude that Buggy ran into on the island with the skull).
I'm curious, how different/more complex has your theory become in the past five years? You ended up being basically correct with the main points five years ago (which I looked back tonight in awe when reexamining the thread), but now there's a whole slew of new information.
Based on your quote by Greg in your post… it would be creepy if Luffy's wink on Volume 27 really did mean something. "Hey, readers, I'm looking right at you and hinting at something really important. And smiling of course."
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Well, there's a chance it might be, though, remember Jimbei being introduced by Yosaku?