Way off topic. but sure whatever. Maybe you are too old to read comics … ^^
What ?
Way off topic. but sure whatever. Maybe you are too old to read comics … ^^
What ?
Off topic?! This whole discussion is about how this reader feels about okama. Rocky Horror Picture Show is the epitome of the okama way! No one is too old for One Piece, foo! Although I don't see how people who take things so seriously can enjoy it!
I don't support Gays in real life but in One piece anything and everything is awesome. The Okama's are included.
I did not like them in the start, but as time went on i came to like them.
im not gay or anything but i can help it by starting to like bon-chan
i alway talkd mack to gay people but i never thought of respecting gays…
but now that i think about it i am repsecting them more imma spread the word okama way hehe
but im far from gay
hold the phone…
sai is gay???
does he no this yet... lol
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Why did this thread get bumped? It's really old… wow... I didn't even notice it the first time around...
But from reading the first page, it seems some people don't quite get the terminology.
Okama = Slang for Gay/ Homosexual men. It only applies to crossdressers because Japan lumps them in with Gays via the stereotype. Pretty much just like intolerant people do here in the US. A proper translation for it would be some slang that doesn't specifically refer to either "Gay" or "Transvestite" but could mean both. FUNi using "Queer" and "Fairy" is pretty much straight on the money.
New Half = Transsexual. A Transsexual is someone whose mind is one gender but their body is another. Hormones are taken, and the problem is fixed.
That's where "New Kama" comes from. It's the "New" from New Half and the "Kama" from Okama, since some of the New Kama are just guys who dress up, while some of them actually became Women thanks to Ivankov and his hormones.
As for my actual thoughts on the subject of the Okama/ New Half/ Newkama etc... I have some personal stake in the issue, so no comment. XD
I hate all transexuals… heshes, shemales and he-mans. Gross! DX
But... Bon Clay... I can't find a way to hate him... I really, really can't.
I hate all transexuals… heshes, shemales and he-mans. Gross! DX
Why all the hate?…
I mean, I know he starred in a bad movie in the 80s, but the cartoon wasn't half bad…
Also, for the rest, you're an evil human being.
I hate all haters for their narrow-minded point of view. Learn to live life and see for yourself that your stereotypes on how people look is not only ignorant and naïve it is also not of this time, but rather from the middle-ages.
I'm all for freedom of sexual expression. If you wanna be a woman, that's ok. If you wanna be a guy that's ok too. Okama-way!
Now the fact that a lot of people are afraid of these people means they are afraid of their own sexuality. I mean no one cares if you're gay, or straight even! I don't give a flying fuck and you shouldn't either.
Spread love and joy, not hate and bigotry.
Oh, Come my way! Okama-way!
I don't give a crap about those pansies. We used to be men, but now we're stronger because we wear women's clothes? HAHAHA.
i think…ehhm wasn`t the best thing oda ever introduced in his manga(bon clay was enough and awesome..but with ivankov..uhh my god)
for okamas in real life..ehhm i dont have something against them..when they have fun with it,who am i than to judge them. they don
t hurt anybody and those who feel uneasy when theyre around should actually get more slefconfidents orso, cause being uneasy just cause an other "culture" is around isn
t something you should be proud of.
I hate all transexuals… heshes, shemales and he-mans. Gross! DX
But... Bon Clay... I can't find a way to hate him... I really, really can't.
You're on a real shit spree of terrible bigoted posting lately huh!
I don't give a crap about those pansies. We used to be men, but now we're stronger because we wear women's clothes? HAHAHA.
You think heaven is researchable.
@Tupac's:
You think heaven is researchable.
Hello there. How's the weather?
this is still going on.
what are you thinking?
Why not accept that every human has a different drive in his life. And if the fucking soap helps me to feel better or survive in the world how come there is always someone with a whole broom in his arse who feel offended by the way i do my shit?
Ha ha wow…
The bigotry in this thread/forum is unbelieveable to the point of laughability. You poor hateful people. Life must be really hard, huh?
I feel that those who hate okamas/gays in real life are those men who aren't secured/secured enough with their masculinity coz they're afraid that when they try/start to accept gays for what they are, people will label them "gays" as well.
Me? I don't give a rat's ass. Accept people for what they are as long as they're not hurtin' you or other people.
This is pointless.
I hate all transexuals… heshes, shemales and he-mans. Gross! DX.
They never wish to born as a transexual. :sad:
shouldn't this thread be moved to the general discussion or at least the general one piece section, since it isn't really about the manga and it doesn't contain any spoilers…not that i have anything against it
I feel that those who hate okamas/gays in real life are those men who aren't secured/secured enough with their masculinity that they're afraid that when they try/start to accept gays for what they are, people will label them "gays" as well.
Me? I don't give a rat's ass. Accept people for what they are as long as they're not hurtin' you or other people.
it`s not that easy to take a line like "those who are against it are actually afraid of being those who they hate…
it`s just a fact that those who hate other lifestyles are those who are actually ignorant.
they think that their lifestyle is the better one and so they harm other lifestyles..
in my opinion a lifestyle who harms other lifestyles or judges them in a menaful way should be the one who should more likely be seen as a burden in society.
shit thing about that is that those ignorant asses are most of the time the guys who everyone thinks should follow or are forced in a way to follow them, cause they are afraid of being "not cool" or standing alone in the society..
lol weird world:getlost:
Hello there. How's the weather?
How's the absurd bastardization of your faith with lazy readings of conspiracy theory level websites and buying into pseudo science?
Oh right! It's retarded!
I know this has probably already been stated, but to clarify, if a person is a transvestite it does not nesscessarily follow that they are also homosexual.
In fact the term 'transvestite' was created to describe heterosexual men who wanted to wear feminine clothing.
The Japanese slang term 'okama' however, can be used to describe both gay men and cross-dressers.
So while Bon Clay, Iva, Inazuma etc are all transvestites, it is not clear whether they are also gay.
Not that it matters one jot either way in One Piece.
Wasn't there something like visual keys in Japan? I guess that influenced Oda, lol. But honestly said (no offence), on the latest episode featuring Ivankov's ass, I almost puked.:sad: I didn't minded that much in the manga but the anime will be painful experience.
there still is visual kei in japan. the reason why they dress very feminin and why many japanese like it is due to kabuki. since there were no woman allowed to play in kabuki, men had to play the female parts too. feminin men are kind of a ideal of beauty, and many were considered to be more beautiful than women.
but i don't really think that this influenced oda to create his okamas.
and yeah, i loved iva in the recent episode! ^__^ his dance was great! heeeehaw! and i don't get why so many people find it disgusting .. ah well, it's mostly the guys, eh? ^^'' the worst people are those who came to like bon-chan or iva or inazuma and in the same breath admit that they despise people like them in real life. i mean .. you like some okamas in one piece coz you know their character .. shouldn't this have teached you something about prejudices?
In case you don't know yet, I'm pretty sure that Ivan was based off of The Rocky Horror Picture Show.
I hate all transexuals… heshes, shemales and he-mans. Gross! DX
Of course the Texan says this. :happy:
Really though, who cares if someone is a transvestite, transexual, or gay. People should be happy and shouldn't have to lie to themselves to fit in with what society thinks.
Although I like Bon Kurei because he is a great person, not because he is an okama.
In case you don't know yet, I'm pretty sure that Ivan was based off of The Rocky Horror Picture Show.
I like Mr 2 but I will hate them till I see a normal Sanji being back xD
If he stays Okama tan I will hate them and Sanji as well for destroying his character xD
I think kabuki-based was Kumadori from CP9. He was always acting like he's on some show.
Now for the other part.
the worst people are those who came to like bon-chan or iva or inazuma and in the same breath admit that they despise people like them in real life.
puts his flame shield on
I'm actually glad, or at least hope, that we won't be seeing Mr. 2 anymore. Now we need to get rid of Ivankov. :whistling: Inazuma is cool tho.
there still is visual kei in japan. the reason why they dress very feminin and why many japanese like it is due to kabuki. since there were no woman allowed to play in kabuki, men had to play the female parts too. feminin men are kind of a ideal of beauty, and many were considered to be more beautiful than women.
but i don't really think that this influenced oda to create his okamas.
and yeah, i loved iva in the recent episode! ^__^ his dance was great! heeeehaw! and i don't get why so many people find it disgusting .. ah well, it's mostly the guys, eh? ^^'' the worst people are those who came to like bon-chan or iva or inazuma and in the same breath admit that they despise people like them in real life. i mean .. you like some okamas in one piece coz you know their character .. shouldn't this have teached you something about prejudices?
Yes folks, Kabuki is the origin of the concept of crossdressing this does not exist in the cross-cultural ether at all. Glorius nippon wins again.
@Tupac's:
Yes folks, Kabuki is the origin of the concept of crossdressing this does not exist in the cross-cultural ether at all. Glorius nippon wins again.
this is not what i said. i said that visual kei and the fact that it's common for those musicians to dress feminin is largely because of japans culture. warlordrising said that he thinks, visual kei is what influenced oda to do his okamas, which i disagree with. visual kei and it's origins (kabuki and glam rock) is not the same as okama .. not at all.
im not gay or anything but i can help it by starting to like bon-chan
i alway talkd mack to gay people but i never thought of respecting gays…
but now that i think about it i am repsecting them more imma spread the word okama way hehebut im far from gay
It's good that you told us twice that you aren't gay, otherwise I might have suspected that you were
People who hate gays in this day and age are just plain retarded.
I don't know about some people, but I don't hate gays. I just don't care for the lifestyle/belief system that they live under. If they want to live that way, then by all means, let them. Just don't expect me to stand out in a field for them, holding a candle. Jack, for all we kn
Of course the Texan says this. :happy:
Yeah, we call 'em "queerosexuals" and they're strongly hated here.
I personally do not like gay people and I feel very uncomfortable around them as well (Yes, yes, I know, they all don't want to rape me… :getlost: I think...)
But, don't think of me as a basher... wait, let me try that again. I'm not that one person that goes out to the public, screaming and yelling my hatred towards gays, lesbians, bisexual dudes and chicks, and bon clays.
If the subject is out there, I'm going to be honest. I don't like their way of life, but I'm not going to tell them how they should live their lives and ask them constantly why they don't like the heavenly female form.
If I know they're queerosexuals, then I'm not going to physically and/or verbally abuse them at the bat… until they fuck with me first... wait...
What pisses me off is most queerosexuals I knew were very hypocritial, straight up assholes (lol), and disturbingly disgusting in arguments to the point, I'm sure, they made those heteros hate them even more.
But, this one lesbian girl that ran a LGBT club (which I personally thought most of the kids in that club were nothing but posers that were trying to be controversial around school) had a different approach to heteros explaining why she's a lesbian and shared her feelings and thoughts.
Therefore, she got my respect. (Not because she was a lesbian... :getlost: I think...)
People who hate gays in this day and age are just plain retarded.
Those comments just annoys the shit outta me.
How is a queerosexual or supporter going to criticize and insult heteros, but get upset and "cry" (I've seen that plenty of times) when someone insults them?
That's why I hated that one hypocrital gay dude I knew in 9th grade.
I wanted to beat the shit outta him.
Those comments just annoys the shit outta me.
How is a queerosexual or supporter going to criticize and insult heteros, but get upset and "cry" (I've seen that plenty of times) when someone insults them?
That's why I hated that one hypocrital gay dude I knew in 9th grade.
I wanted to beat the shit outta him.
"People who hate gays in this day and age" isn't a synonym for hetero, you retard.
I like how even though Oda portrays them as extemely Gay (Gonna sound ignorant, but you know what i mean), he still manages to make them likeable, and they are for the most part just as strong as other hetero sexual characters in the series. I actually think Oda putting this whole Okama thing in One Piece is great.
Yeah, we call 'em "queerosexuals" and they're strongly hated here.
I live in the third smallest state and even I don't try to pretend I know what everyone thinks across the board, you live in fucking Texas and say this?
I personally do not like gay people and I feel very uncomfortable around them as well (Yes, yes, I know, they all don't want to rape me… :getlost: I think...)
If you can't handle gay guys flirting with you then you're pathetic and probably can't handle girls doing it either.
But, don't think of me as a basher… wait, let me try that again. I'm not that one person that goes out to the public, screaming and yelling my hatred towards gays,
lesbians, bisexual dudes andchicks, and bon clays.
No you just fester behind the scenes letting it out like some retard gas.
If the subject is out there, I'm going to be honest. I don't like their way of life, but I'm not going to tell them how they should live their lives and ask them constantly why they don't like the heavenly female form.
The same reason straight women don't.
Duh.
How stupid are you that you don't get this shit.
And what the hell even is a "heavenly female form". So while your not busy pretending gays are rape ogres, your busy worshipping anything with a vagina.
Lots of healthy outlooks this kid has!
If I know they're queerosexuals, then I'm not going to physically and/or verbally abuse them at the bat… until they fuck with me first... wait...
Why do you even give a shit. Seriously. There is no reason on earth to give a shit.
queerosexuals
And stop saying that, you sound like Chris-Chan.
I knew were very hypocritial, straight up assholes (lol), and disturbingly disgusting in arguments to the point, I'm sure, they made those heteros hate them even more.
What?
But, this one lesbian girl that ran a LGBT club (which I personally thought most of the kids in that club were nothing but posers that were trying to be controversial around school) had a different approach to heteros explaining why she's a lesbian and shared her feelings and thoughts.
They can be messing shit up for other people with certain attitudes and being bad ambassadors, you can critisize them for that.
But the one who holds the beliefs you have is YOU. You are entirely to blame.
How is a queerosexual or supporter going to criticize and insult heteros, but get upset and "cry" (I've seen that plenty of times) when someone insults them?
The same reason any hypocrite does. This has absolute jack shit to do with homosexuality.
The Okamas in One Piece are mainly there for comedic purposes. But like others have said Oda manages to stay this side of good taste by making them likeable multi-dimensional characters. Even when they are acting stereotypically 'gay'.
The Okamas in One Piece are mainly there for comedic purposes. But like others have said Oda manages to stay this side of good taste by making them likeable multi-dimensional characters. Even when they are acting stereotypically 'gay'.
what i meant to say, but this guy put it much more eloquently.
what i meant to say, but this guy put it much more eloquently.
Thanks for the compliment
No compliment from my side, cause they ain't gay, they just have a weird fetish!
(Weird for men that is. Were there women with tuxes too? I forgot…)
I put all that shit under hide, because it was too long…
[hide]@Khamolen:
"People who hate gays in this day and age" isn't a synonym for hetero, you retard.
That doesn't mean I'm saying all heteros hate gay people.
Yet, you're calling me the retard…
You need to read from word to word.
@Tupac's:
I live in the third smallest state and even I don't try to pretend I know what everyone thinks across the board, you live in fucking Texas and say this?
Mmm… let me half-ass this... are you saying I'm ignorant because I live in Texas? :{
If you can't handle gay guys flirting with you then you're pathetic and probably can't handle girls doing it either.
Are you fucking kidding me?!
No you just fester behind the scenes letting it out like some retard gas.
Right…
The same reason straight women don't.
Duh.
How stupid are you that you don't get this shit.
And what the hell even is a "heavenly female form". So while your not busy pretending gays are rape ogres, your busy worshipping anything with a vagina.
Lots of healthy outlooks this kid has!
"How stupid are you that you don't get this shit."
That should be my question…
"And what the hell even is a "heavenly female form"
Sigh...
"So while your not busy pretending gays are rape ogres, your busy worshipping anything with a vagina.
Lots of healthy outlooks this kid has!"
I guess that's a heterosexual for ya. :|
Why do you even give a shit. Seriously. There is no reason on earth to give a shit
Yeah… you're right...
And stop saying that, you sound like Chris-Chan.
Who the fuck is Chris-chan?
What?
What? In your butt.
They can be messing shit up for other people with certain attitudes and being bad ambassadors, you can critisize them for that.
But the one who holds the beliefs you have is YOU. You are entirely to blame.
I'm entriely to blame… because of my beliefs? I'm sure the same goes to the rest of the school... including those in the LGBT club.
But! How naive am I? This is a Texas school I attended.
The same reason any hypocrite does. This has absolute jack shit to do with homosexuality.
Actually… it does.
If you're a representation to "gay rights" and people kindly ask for your opinion and you become a dick to others, including to the teacher, then you've fucked up your reputation and the "gay rights" reputation as well.
Therefore, people are going to become a dick to you, resulting into that gay kid crying and whining like a little bitch.[/hide]
That's what she said…
Personally i like the okama's in One Piece. they're are very likeable and have awesome abilities and likable personalities. I don't hate gay people or any type of tranvestite but the y start messing with me too much they get there ass whipped like everyone else.(actually my 4th favorite charecter is Iva)
No compliment from my side, cause they ain't gay, they just have a weird fetish!
(Weird for men that is. Were there women with tuxes too? I forgot…)
We don't know for sure if they are gay or not.
Okama can mean 'gay' or 'transvestite' after all.
Not that their sexual orientation has any bearing on anything.