Next Crew Member Speculation (Ver 3.0)

[Hattori Hanzo]

@OneManCollectiblez:

Than no1 can join the sh crew, thats what ure saying.

U dont know, if oda likes her to join he could just MAKE UP something. it's always possible. When robin joind the SH didnt need a decyphster it was only relevent for the story later on, at that time we didnt have any cleu for whatever reason she joined, could be the same for Boa. Maybe she gets rejected by her country, just like sanji got rejected at the restaurant. And than she has nowere to go but the SH crew.

She didn't officially joined until they came to rescue her. Sanji didnt get rejected, they were putting up a front so he could go out to sea. But he found out moments later that they were acting.

[OneManCollectiblez]

@Hattori:

She didn't officially joined until they came to rescue her. Sanji didnt get rejected, they were putting up a front so he could go out to sea. But he found out moments later that they were acting.

Yep thats what i meant, maybe the villagers could do that to Boa also. (order from the old lady or sumthing). well, And maybe Boa could also fake join the crew, and when they save her in the next arc officially join the crew.. Thats what i meant. Boa can join. I hope, and if Oda does that He rocks.

[Hattori Hanzo]

@OneManCollectiblez:

Yep thats what i meant, maybe the villagers could do that to Boa also. (order from the old lady or sumthing). well, And maybe Boa could also fake join the crew, and when they save her in the next arc officially join the crew.. Thats what i meant. Boa can join. I hope, and if Oda does that He rocks.

Ha, that would be the third girl to be saved and join the crew :P. She has a chance of joining, IF she follows Luffy after this war…Because they wont be able to see each other again after this anyways.

[AGOG]

@Dr.:

Were you talking to me AGOG? I just remembered reading arguments for Ace joining the crew… But he's dead for reals now, so it isn't happening.

Not you…
I was talking to OneManCollect..

[OneManCollectiblez]

@Hattori:

Ha, that would be the third girl to be saved and join the crew :P. She has a chance of joining, IF she follows Luffy after this war…Because they wont be able to see each other again after this anyways.

I shure hope she does. I hope she attacks Aikanu for what he did, give up her shishibukai title, then takes luffy, and escape with him.

@Agog.

Call meh OMC, Is easier:D

[Hattori Hanzo]

@OneManCollectiblez:

I shure hope she does. I hope she attacks Aikanu for what he did, give up her shishibukai title, then takes luffy, and escape with him.

@Agog.

Call meh OMC, Is easier:D

Hmm i wonder if Akainu is susceptible to beauty like every men…It would be easier on her side to do that than to fight an Admiral.

[OneManCollectiblez]

@Hattori:

Hmm i wonder if Akainu is susceptible to beauty like every men…It would be easier on her side to do that than to fight an Admiral.

There is no need for him to like her. She can turn any1 to stone, with her other attacks. Only the beam turns men to stone when they have desires to her. But thats her weakest attack:P what she would use to stone fodder.

[Hattori Hanzo]

@OneManCollectiblez:

There is no need for him to like her. She can turn any1 to stone, with her other attacks. Only the beam turns men to stone when they have desires to her. But thats her weakest attack:P what she would use to stone fodder.

She cant turn anyone to stone, so they have to have that lust inside of them, and almost every men is. All she has so far is some Haki kicks and Stone beam thing…

Not much of an arsenal to fight an Admiral.

[OneManCollectiblez]

@Hattori:

She cant turn anyone to stone, so they have to have that lust inside of them, and almost every men is. All she has so far is some Haki kicks and Stone beam thing…

Not much of an arsenal to fight an Admiral.

She can, she turned Pasifista,, An robot with no feelings. also to stone. She has an kicking technique or sumthing and everything that she kicks truns into stone. well only the area where she kicks. And that breaks… I can look the part up if u want

[Hattori Hanzo]

@OneManCollectiblez:

She can, she turned Pasifista,, An robot with no feelings. also to stone. She has an kicking technique or sumthing and everything that she kicks truns into stone. well only the area where she kicks. And that breaks… I can look the part up if u want

I totally overlooked that pacifista part. Nah its fine, dont need to look it up.

[AGOG]

If she can KO an admiral, she's obviously not joining…

[tigerlilly]

I really doubt he would even remotely care about her appearance, so her Merro Merro Mellow is out. She could probably turn parts of him to stone if she uses her kicks, but there is one thing I suspect: I think she can't use stone kicks and Haki kicks at the same time. She had the chance to turn Smoker to stone that one time, but just kicked him off.
Just a theory, but it might be possible, that using haki might not only cancel the devil fruit powers of others, but have slight results on your own power for the time you use it. So it would mean she could kick Akainu (thanks to Haki), but not be able to turn him to stone when he is in his logia form. It would keep Haki users from being too overpowered.

@Urouge:

No problem. :happy:

Kuma's supposed to be modeled after Bartholomew Roberts, who was a famous pirate back in the early 1700's, if I remember correctly. I assume your question is to why his animal name is his common name, though, rather than his surname like the other two. I suppose it's just how Oda wanted to craft him, specifically, since I figure he handled each character individually. With Hancock, both her and her sisters are based on snakes, so for them it simply had to be a surname. DoFlamingo's name is crafted the same way as Kuma's name, in which the pirate he's named after is his surname with the animal being the common name. "Crocodile" is also a common name. As for Moria, I suppose Oda probably named him the way he did because "Moria" does a better job at describing the character (I assume this comes from LotR in which Moria has some meaning close to "dark" and describes the lowest depths in the story). There really isn't a set standard, since of the 6 Warlords with animal names (Jinbei being simply an animal), exactly half of them occur as surnames and the other half as common names. As for why Oda chose to use "Bartholomew" instead of "Roberts" (which may also be your question), it's probably simply that he thought it sounded better. I doubt he intended for the readers to think that the names were reversed, though.

Kuma's also the only Warlord whose animal name is in Japanese instead of in English.

Wow, thanks a ton! That answered my question and even more! Kudos, Urouge!

[OneManCollectiblez]

@AGOG:

If she can KO an admiral, she's obviously not joining…

well i dont think she can. But she can delay him and take luffy with her to the escape ship.

[OneManCollectiblez]

@tigerlilly:

I really doubt he would even remotely care about her appearance, so her Merro Merro Mellow is out. She could probably turn parts of him to stone if she uses her kicks, but there is one thing I suspect: I think she can't use stone kicks and Haki kicks at the same time. She had the chance to turn Smoker to stone that one time, but just kicked him off.
Just a theory, but it might be possible, that using haki might not even cancel the devil fruit powers of others, but have slight results on your own power for the time you use it. So it would mean she could kick Akainu (thanks to Haki), but not be able to turn him to stone when he is in his logia form. It would keep Haki users from being too overpowered.

Nice 1. Maybe it cancels out certen df powers. I think haki with luffy's punch would be plausable.

[AGOG]

@OneManCollectiblez:

well i dont think she can. But she can delay him and take luffy with her to the escape ship.

if she can do more than Jinbei, then she's not joining either… Basically, not even marco is doing something to Akainu.

Not even WB is doing anything to him... Guy is killing people and fisting others like nothing.

If she is capable to do that, then she's not joining.

[OneManCollectiblez]

well, yes shes joining or else the admiral will kill luffy.

[Retardia]

Hancock have a dream.

Dream to stop slavery.
Dream to stop Tenryubito.
Dream to being described as normal human. (she has slave mark thing)
Dream to marry with Luffy. (or have Luffy genitals)

[AGOG]

@Retardia:

Hancock have a dream.

Dream to stop slavery.
Dream to stop Tenryubito.
Dream to being described as normal human. (she has slave mark thing)
Dream to marry with Luffy. (or have Luffy genitals)

How disappointing of a dream…

None of them are important enough to let her join...

[brennen.exe]

Plus, Jinbei can have all of those too, save the last one. That would just be weird.

[AGOG]

@brennen.exe:

Plus, Jinbei can have all of those too, save the last one. That would just be weird.

He could have that one too, a little too much WB pirate influence on him, maybe?

[Zik]

@brennen.exe:

Plus, Jinbei can have all of those too, save the last one. That would just be weird.

Unless they're WB's genitals.

[Retardia]

@AGOG:

How disappointing of a dream…

None of them are important enough to let her join...

This is more important than Usopp dream.

Become brave warrior of the sea.? WTH.

[AGOG]

@Retardia:

This is more important than Usopp dream.

Become brave warrior of the sea.? WTH.

His dream is to be like his father… His father is miles up high in fame, it's a dream connected to Luffy and nothing less...

[Retardia]

And Luffy is also hates slavery and tenryubito. So.?

[AGOG]

@Retardia:

And Luffy is also hates slavery and tenryubito. So.?

No… Just a personal comment he said against them, he doesn't want to take it that far... At least, he holds no grudge against them.

[brennen.exe]

@AGOG:

No… Just a personal comment he said against them, he doesn't want to take it that far... At least, he holds no grudge against them.

Prove it.

Luffy: Also, I don't regret that thing with the Celestial Dragon. Do you know what that scumbag did to my friends!?
Hancock: Tell me! Do you despise me… knowing now that I was once a slave?
Luffy: I told you, I HATE those Celestial Dragons!

[Renegadesoul]

Your really going all out in this….:ninja:

[AGOG]

@brennen.exe:

Prove it.

Luffy: Also, I don't regret that thing with the Celestial Dragon. Do you know what that scumbag did to my friends!?
Hancock: Tell me! Do you despise me… knowing now that I was once a slave?
Luffy: I told you, I HATE those Celestial Dragons!

That's hard to counter… "hate" is a powerful word...

I give in.

[GetsugaZoro]

@OneManCollectiblez:

She can, she turned Pasifista,, An robot with no feelings. also to stone. She has an kicking technique or sumthing and everything that she kicks truns into stone. well only the area where she kicks. And that breaks… I can look the part up if u want

Lol she kicked the Pacifista she didnt turn him to stone, someone pls correct(with a image) if im wrong cause i just checked the chapter to be sure and that didnt happen, anyway Franky said they are Cyborgs like him(unless this was a bad translations).

[MmmBug]

Even if Hancock can turn Akainu into stone, he can probably just heat it up and turn himself back into magma within seconds. A small delay at best but Akainu doesn't seem to have much heart, her power might not even work at all on him.

[AGOG]

Hey brennen, are you actually keeping tally?

[KingofSarus]

Akainu for nakama…

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[Croy]

AGOG I hadn't seen that one Japanese interview before. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, although I still doesn't change my opinion on Hancocks chances :P. It merely means I have to 'further' accentuate the real reason I think she will join, the "love" angle of it was always from the start meant to be a quirk, and it has been as such for all my predictions. (Warning to others, its a longer post… again)

Here are the facts I have to bring on "why" Hancock at the bare minimum is going to stick around, and why I think that means she will end up joining the group. But first lets get something out of the way, her "love" and why it doesn't really affect whether she joins or not. (even by Odas 'rules' in that interview)

The love angle, like I said, is a "quirk" similar to Sanji's love for all beautiful women. She is supposed to act like a little school girl with a crush around Luffy (I mean she thinks a friggin hug means marriage to her lol). She will never actually pursue the relationship beyond these small interactions, but this "love" will constantly be in the back of her mind when she interacts with him. Luffy just needs to be himself and she will not change, and nothing truly romantic will ever happen. Luffy will act the same way to her as he does the rest of the crew, she will misinterpret it as his love for her, and she will not change her quirks, and it will never, ever progress. She is too shy around Luffy to make it progress.

Alsos, like you said no one will join the group 'purely' because of love as well. There has to be something they wish to pursue where the end of the journey will lead to that dream likely coming true or at least the journey itself. I already said a good dream for her is simply freedom. Freedom to choose the way of life she wants, free of any persecution that would have caged her like a bird. She has lived the life of a slave, and on her home island she lived the life of eternally damning queen forced to hide her mark of shame because of fear she and her sisters would be shunned. She puts up this tough face to everyone, worried that with her as a higher figure, it would only take one slip up to reveal this fact. Her joining the strawhats would free her of her obligations as this other persona, free her of her shame, and she could live a life of freedom with people who would respect her no matter her history. Not JUST Luffy. This is one dream that is possible given her already complex but still very hidden inner personality. Could be something else, if she doesn't join its probably means something simpler that has nothing to do with the rest of the journey.

Here is some of more info that has to be resolved before we can just 'let' her go. She has a past tied directly to what is asuredly a larger plot narrative, the Tenryuubito. Until that plot comes back into focus, I really don't see Hancock going out of the picture. Oda almost always returns any characters that are directly tied to the outcome of current plot narratives, especially if its because of something like redemption. She hasn't gotten that redemption, she is still clearly hurting on the inside for what the Tenryuubito did to her.

There are several smaller things that makes me think she won't be out of the picture, but those are based on hypotheticals or small parralels that 'might' not even mean much so im going to not bother mentioning them very much because those can be picked apart easily. Stuff like her 'betraying' the marines and me 'assuming' that she will lose her title before the end, the parralels with Nyon and how her leaving with Luffy would actually redeem Nyon in Hancocks heart. Or even worse parralels like her being a woman and most agree we need a new one (Hey I know a lot of you were thinking this!), she would also be a very strong new member which most agree we need after the Saboady incident (Of course a counter is some think she is too strong). Than you have some base form, might be predictions, could very easily be nothing stuff like how Kuja literally means 9 snakes and she would be the 'ninth' member of the group XD.

I am in agreement with a lot that says her chances are not 100% and if you have a certain mentality around it, it might even be 10% or lower. But understand its still not 0%. There are still plenty of ways she could change, and it doesn't mean she has to join 'immediately' after this arc either to make them happen. Like both other female members of the group, the place where she finds herself within the crew might not happen till "Several" sagas later, but just having her stick around should increase those chances. To me if she goes back to Amazon Lily (and only way she would do that is if her title isn't stripped) she doesn't join, and just shows back up in a later arc to solve her redemption issue with the tenryuubito. And if her title is stripped or she decides to strip it herself, than I think she will end up joining because she will have no where else to go.

[Hattori Hanzo]

@Croy:

AGOG I hadn't seen that one Japanese interview before. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, although I still doesn't change my opinion on Hancocks chances :P. It merely means I have to 'further' accentuate the real reason I think she will join, the "love" angle of it was always from the start meant to be a quirk, and it has been as such for all my predictions. (Warning to others, its a longer post… again)

Here are the facts I have to bring on "why" Hancock at the bare minimum is going to stick around, and why I think that means she will end up joining the group. But first lets get something out of the way, her "love" and why it doesn't really affect whether she joins or not. (even by Odas 'rules' in that interview)

The love angle, like I said, is a "quirk" similar to Sanji's love for all beautiful women. She is supposed to act like a little school girl with a crush around Luffy (I mean she thinks a friggin hug means marriage to her lol). She will never actually pursue the relationship beyond these small interactions, but this "love" will constantly be in the back of her mind when she interacts with him. Luffy just needs to be himself and she will not change, and nothing truly romantic will ever happen. Luffy will act the same way to her as he does the rest of the crew, she will misinterpret it as his love for her, and she will not change her quirks, and it will never, ever progress. She is too shy around Luffy to make it progress.

Alsos, like you said no one will join the group 'purely' because of love as well. There has to be something they wish to pursue where the end of the journey will lead to that dream likely coming true or at least the journey itself. I already said a good dream for her is simply freedom. Freedom to choose the way of life she wants, free of any persecution that would have caged her like a bird. She has lived the life of a slave, and on her home island she lived the life of eternally damning queen forced to hide her mark of shame because of fear she and her sisters would be shunned. She puts up this tough face to everyone, worried that with her as a higher figure, it would only take one slip up to reveal this fact. Her joining the strawhats would free her of her obligations as this other persona, free her of her shame, and she could live a life of freedom with people who would respect her no matter her history. Not JUST Luffy. This is one dream that is possible given her already complex but still very hidden inner personality. Could be something else, if she doesn't join its probably means something simpler that has nothing to do with the rest of the journey.

Here is some of more info that has to be resolved before we can just 'let' her go. She has a past tied directly to what is asuredly a larger plot narrative, the Tenryuubito. Until that plot comes back into focus, I really don't see Hancock going out of the picture. Oda almost always returns any characters that are directly tied to the outcome of current plot narratives, especially if its because of something like redemption. She hasn't gotten that redemption, she is still clearly hurting on the inside for what the Tenryuubito did to her.

There are several smaller things that makes me think she won't be out of the picture, but those are based on hypotheticals or small parralels that 'might' not even mean much so im going to not bother mentioning them very much because those can be picked apart easily. Stuff like her 'betraying' the marines and me 'assuming' that she will lose her title before the end, the parralels with Nyon and how her leaving with Luffy would actually redeem Nyon in Hancocks heart. Or even worse parralels like her being a woman and most agree we need a new one (Hey I know a lot of you were thinking this!), she would also be a very strong new member which most agree we need after the Saboady incident (Of course a counter is some think she is too strong). Than you have some base form, might be predictions, could very easily be nothing stuff like how Kuja literally means 9 snakes and she would be the 'ninth' member of the group XD.

I am in agreement with a lot that says her chances are not 100% and if you have a certain mentality around it, it might even be 10% or lower. But understand its still not 0%. There are still plenty of ways she could change, and it doesn't mean she has to join 'immediately' after this arc either to make them happen. Like both other female members of the group, the place where she finds herself within the crew might not happen till "Several" sagas later, but just having her stick around should increase those chances. To me if she goes back to Amazon Lily (and only way she would do that is if her title isn't stripped) she doesn't join, and just shows back up in a later arc to solve her redemption issue with the tenryuubito. And if her title is stripped or she decides to strip it herself, than I think she will end up joining because she will have no where else to go.

Wow, since you put it that way im sure every side of the argument for Hancock is put to rest. Hancock's mentions wont be coming up anytime soon until we get more info. But a few fanboys/girls would spark up "She's totally gonna join man!". Would it be likely to see Luffy and Hancock meet up to deal with the Tenryuubito? (Its a possibility in my thoughts).

To be honest im sure she's pretty free on her island, its just she cant go walking around showing that mark…But still with a mark like that, cant she use her loveable charms to sway their ideas?

[Tupac's Ghost]

I know it's a little weird, but I want Hatchi to join.

[Croy]

@Hattori:

Wow, since you put it that way im sure every side of the argument for Hancock is put to rest. Hancock's mentions wont be coming up anytime soon until we get more info. But a few fanboys/girls would spark up "She's totally gonna join man!". Would it be likely to see Luffy and Hancock meet up to deal with the Tenryuubito? (Its a possibility in my thoughts).

To be honest im sure she's pretty free on her island, its just she cant go walking around showing that mark…But still with a mark like that, cant she use her loveable charms to sway their ideas?

I would personally love to have the kind of freedom she has, but she made it clear that she has another personality she'd love to have come out but her shame as a slave would likely be exposed (as she puts it) if she doesn't keep up this tough act. She is still mentally caged, that was what I was getting at. She said it best herself.

"Hancock: I will not show weakness, even if it means lying to the entire nation!!
I will not be ruled by another once more!!
The thought of being at another's mercy frightens me…
It fills me with such hideous terror!!"

Her pride and her shame are keeping her trapped from being who ever she wants to be. She became the leader when she returned and had to lie to whole nation just so she felt she could survive, and keeping up that lie is keeping her mentally trapped. Her joining the strawhats would allow her to be herself without consequence because the only people that would matter is the crew, and we all know absolutely none of them would shun her for her past, hell some might even praise her and console her for the horrible past, and that would allow herself to no longer mentally trapped.

And yeah the discussion on Hancocks chances hasn't gotten weaker or stronger since the first act of betrayel against Smoker. The constant back and forth is why I don't come into this thread constantly because its pointless until something drastic changes the pace between one way or the other.

[AGOG]

Croy:

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@Croy:

AGOG I hadn't seen that one Japanese interview before. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, although I still doesn't change my opinion on Hancocks chances :P. It merely means I have to 'further' accentuate the real reason I think she will join, the "love" angle of it was always from the start meant to be a quirk, and it has been as such for all my predictions. (Warning to others, its a longer post… again)

Yeah, it ends a lot of stuff about things…

Here are the facts I have to bring on "why" Hancock at the bare minimum is going to stick around, and why I think that means she will end up joining the group. But first lets get something out of the way, her "love" and why it doesn't really affect whether she joins or not. (even by Odas 'rules' in that interview)

Alright…

The love angle, like I said, is a "quirk" similar to Sanji's love for all beautiful women. She is supposed to act like a little school girl with a crush around Luffy (I mean she thinks a friggin hug means marriage to her lol). She will never actually pursue the relationship beyond these small interactions, but this "love" will constantly be in the back of her mind when she interacts with him. Luffy just needs to be himself and she will not change, and nothing truly romantic will ever happen. Luffy will act the same way to her as he does the rest of the crew, she will misinterpret it as his love for her, and she will not change her quirks, and it will never, ever progress. She is too shy around Luffy to make it progress.

I have nothing against her having that, but I have something with HER PERSONALITY not acting upon those intentions…

She's very selfish and there are many things that have her getting what she wants, furthermore, it COULD be that her intentions are to get his affection completely, she was VERY TROUBLED to see him part or to even take him there... [reference to Love Sickness and taking him to SA].

You cannot deny that she is GOING to want more than Oda would want to give her. Sanji has a system where he basically can't focus on a single character, therefore, his relationship cannot be serious because he would leave another individual behind and stuff… He cannot have BOTH girls, and he cannot have either... So he is stuck that way.

Boa Hancock only cares for Luffy and she's got the motivation to keep trying to get him, therefore, it will bring up a moment where she SAYS things like "beloved" and "marriage" out loud that he would hear. Therefore, it would bring up a conflict and her whole desire will be put on a spot light. If she is rejected, she'll feel BAD or TROUBLED and that may lead to trouble. if she is accepted, Oda broke his word.

So, we have issues where her personality forces her to act upon her feelings, and this makes her a difficult character to have in the crew.

That's what I see as the difference between the Boa hancock thing and Sanji one.

Alsos, like you said no one will join the group 'purely' because of love as well. There has to be something they wish to pursue where the end of the journey will lead to that dream likely coming true or at least the journey itself. I already said a good dream for her is simply freedom. Freedom to choose the way of life she wants, free of any persecution that would have caged her like a bird. She has lived the life of a slave, and on her home island she lived the life of eternally damning queen forced to hide her mark of shame because of fear she and her sisters would be shunned. She puts up this tough face to everyone, worried that with her as a higher figure, it would only take one slip up to reveal this fact. Her joining the strawhats would free her of her obligations as this other persona, free her of her shame, and she could live a life of freedom with people who would respect her no matter her history. Not JUST Luffy. This is one dream that is possible given her already complex but still very hidden inner personality. Could be something else, if she doesn't join its probably means something simpler that has nothing to do with the rest of the journey.

Personally, I think that a better solution for her will be something like this:

• Boa Hancock returns to AL.
• After Boa Hancock had been to the war and noticed the whole entire situation and stuff, she learned that honesty is important and so is trust from the acts of the WB pirates.
• Boa Hancock starts to trust her island and exposes her secret.
• She is instantly accepted by them all and is dearly overjoyed by this.
• Boa Hancock has her whole past overcome with these powerful actions and she will become a better character.
• Boa Hancock also saves the island and the island then saves her.

They all have a happy ending.

Of course, you are saying that this is what may happen:

• Boa Hancock goes with Luffy.
• AL has to have a reason to not be targeted then.
• Boa Hancock wants to seek his affection… And trying to get a bunch of random people not judging her...
• Boa Hancock sails with them for a "freedom" that isn't even remotely important to her, she's basically living a lie.
• Boa Hancock isn't ever given a conclusion because her island isn't forgiving her and she'd be a traitor to them.

Sure, she may have "Luffy" near her, but the sense of justice and support from her whole island won't be there and she'll just be there for LOVE still.

Furthermore, this "freedom" idea is once again not a suitable dream for her. They all have a sense of freedom they seek, but they have a DREAM that they try to achieve in that sense of freedom:

• Luffy wants Pirate King.
• Nami wants a world map.
• Zoro to be number one.
• Usopp to be like his father [brave warrior of the sea].
• Sanji wants to find All Blue.
• Robin wants True History.
• Chopper wants to cure all known diseases.
• Brook wants to meet Laboon.

Regardless, each and every character doesn't just focus on FREEDOM, they have a goal that they are going for… Boa Hancock hasn't even shown anything related to this sense, and if you were to assume what her goal was, you'd think it was to become the Kuja Empress...

These guys didn't think of these goals when they met Luffy, they had them in mind for a very long time... So, if Hancock's goal is to basically love Luffy, then it's far too recent and unimportant.

She's once again lacking a motive or dream to join the crew...

Here is some of more info that has to be resolved before we can just 'let' her go. She has a past tied directly to what is asuredly a larger plot narrative, the Tenryuubito. Until that plot comes back into focus, I really don't see Hancock going out of the picture. Oda almost always returns any characters that are directly tied to the outcome of current plot narratives, especially if its because of something like redemption. She hasn't gotten that redemption, she is still clearly hurting on the inside for what the Tenryuubito did to her.

I hate when people say that, she isn't anymore important to the Tenryuubito.

We've never been shown any interest from the Tenryuubito or anything of that sort, in other words, the manga doesn't show this at all… She merely HAD a past concerning them, she's NOT being forced to confront them. What she needs to confront is how she feels about her being a former slave, not how they'll find her. She merely is SCARED of them, which she needs to overcome by means of trusting her island... Her family.

Furthermore, Oda only needs to have her MOVE ON from that past, embrace the present and stop worrying about the past. For instance, we can examine Vivi and how she was so naive and such, yet in the current time frame, after her saga was over, she matured over time.

If Boa Hancock can get the same feeling and such, she too can relieve the anguish she felt from her past and embrace the present to live life to the fullest.

She doesn't need to basically KILL everyone for revenge, she's just trying to find a place to live peacefully, like her island.

For instance, Ace is a prime example... his dream was just to be told that being born is not a crime... Boa Hancock being trusted by her island solves her problem as well...

There are several smaller things that makes me think she won't be out of the picture, but those are based on hypotheticals or small parralels that 'might' not even mean much so im going to not bother mentioning them very much because those can be picked apart easily. Stuff like her 'betraying' the marines and me 'assuming' that she will lose her title before the end, the parralels with Nyon and how her leaving with Luffy would actually redeem Nyon in Hancocks heart. Or even worse parralels like her being a woman and most agree we need a new one (Hey I know a lot of you were thinking this!), she would also be a very strong new member which most agree we need after the Saboady incident (Of course a counter is some think she is too strong). Than you have some base form, might be predictions, could very easily be nothing stuff like how Kuja literally means 9 snakes and she would be the 'ninth' member of the group XD.

I've heard all of these, but they never impressed me at all…

Just for the record:

• I don't think she's losing her title.
• I don't think that she's leaving her island as a traitor.
• I don't think that the SH crew is forced to get a SUPER POWERFUL character next.
• I don't agree to Kuja being number nine and that is related to the crew member.
• I don't agree in any other random coincidence, unless there's a clear reason to it.

I'm against so many things for every character, but that's just me. If a character has a con, they aren't nakama material in my book.

I am in agreement with a lot that says her chances are not 100% and if you have a certain mentality around it, it might even be 10% or lower. But understand its still not 0%. There are still plenty of ways she could change, and it doesn't mean she has to join 'immediately' after this arc either to make them happen. Like both other female members of the group, the place where she finds herself within the crew might not happen till "Several" sagas later, but just having her stick around should increase those chances. To me if she goes back to Amazon Lily (and only way she would do that is if her title isn't stripped) she doesn't join, and just shows back up in a later arc to solve her redemption issue with the tenryuubito. And if her title is stripped or she decides to strip it herself, than I think she will end up joining because she will have no where else to go.

I don't see the title being revoked…

So, if she doesn't jump on that ship, I will think that I am 100% right and we'll never see her join the crew.

So, basically, when she isn't on Thousand Sunny prior to FI arrival, she's never going to join.

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[Hattori Hanzo]

@Croy:

I would personally love to have the kind of freedom she has, but she made it clear that she has another personality she'd love to have come out but her shame as a slave would likely be exposed (as she puts it) if she doesn't keep up this tough act. She is still mentally caged, that was what I was getting at. She said it best herself.

"Hancock: I will not show weakness, even if it means lying to the entire nation!!
I will not be ruled by another once more!!
The thought of being at another's mercy frightens me…
It fills me with such hideous terror!!"

Her pride and her shame are keeping her trapped from being who ever she wants to be. She became the leader when she returned and had to lie to whole nation just so she felt she could survive, and keeping up that lie is keeping her mentally trapped. Her joining the strawhats would allow her to be herself without consequence because the only people that would matter is the crew, and we all know absolutely none of them would shun her for her past, hell some might even praise her and console her for the horrible past, and that would allow herself to no longer mentally trapped.

And yeah the discussion on Hancocks chances hasn't gotten weaker or stronger since the first act of betrayel against Smoker. The constant back and forth is why I don't come into this thread constantly because its pointless until something drastic changes the pace between one way or the other.

Ah that is true, nothing like having someone who understands and console your past. Im sure Robin would understand it better than anyone in the crew.

[AGOG]

To me, Hancock: ever since she was introduced was at 0…

This chapter, she's still at that 0...

The whole stretch between that, she remains at 0...

Until that island is dealt with, Hancock ain't joining... So, that is her being at 0...

That's my humble opinion.

[TheSJKarma]

@AGOG:

To me, Hancock: ever since she was introduced was at 0…

This chapter, she's still at that 0...

The whole stretch between that, she remains at 0...

Until that island is dealt with, Hancock ain't joining... So, that is her being at 0...

That's my humble opinion.

No, that's her being at 0 if nothing is done about the island. So it's definitely not 0% since the chance of something happening to her situation at Amazon Lily is almost 100%.

The chance of Nami joining was 0% until she saved her island. The chance of Brook joining was 0% until he got his shadow back. The chance of Robin joining was basically 0% until she actually joined.

[AGOG]

@TheSJKarma:

No, that's her being at 0 if nothing is done about the island. So it's definitely not 0% since the chance of something happening to her situation at Amazon Lily is almost 100%.

It has yet to happen and it could go both ways… So, I'm sticking to 0 cause it's too much stuff to bother dealing with.

The only way they'd be saved is if Oda had a cheap wish to let them live...

[Croy]

Woah boy, its been a long time since I have gotten into such an extensive arguement over this but oh well. Somethings I couldn't let go.
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@AGOG:

Croy:

@AGOG:

Croy:I have nothing against her having that, but I have something with HER PERSONALITY not acting upon those intentions…

@AGOG:

She's very selfish and there are many things that have her getting what she wants, furthermore, it COULD be that her intentions are to get his affection completely, she was VERY TROUBLED to see him part or to even take him there… [reference to Love Sickness and taking him to SA].

You cannot deny that she is GOING to want more than Oda would want to give her. Sanji has a system where he basically can't focus on a single character, therefore, his relationship cannot be serious because he would leave another individual behind and stuff… He cannot have BOTH girls, and he cannot have either... So he is stuck that way.

Boa Hancock only cares for Luffy and she's got the motivation to keep trying to get him, therefore, it will bring up a moment where she SAYS things like "beloved" and "marriage" out loud that he would hear. Therefore, it would bring up a conflict and her whole desire will be put on a spot light. If she is rejected, she'll feel BAD or TROUBLED and that may lead to trouble. if she is accepted, Oda broke his word.

So, we have issues where her personality forces her to act upon her feelings, and this makes her a difficult character to have in the crew.

That's what I see as the difference between the Boa hancock thing and Sanji one.

I already said how it would stay that way. Every time Hancock tries to express herself, she hides her intentions or only speaks them to others. She has never once mentioned her feelings, she has delusions in her head on how things should happen but she NEVER acts on them. Remember the scene where she wants to feed Luffy herself and when Luffy opens up that possibility by asking her to join him she shuns it as her being perfectly happy? She also already believes with the call of her name that he already loves her. She won't need anything else other than his words and orders. She won't ask if he loves her, she already assumes that, and Luffy will be absentminded as always, not understanding any of his words affect on her. No rejection, nothing will happen. This is why I called it a quirk, it is something she does that will never change, and Oda will always find a way to get out of, whether because Luffy doesn't hear it or she doesn't act.

@AGOG:

Personally, I think that a better solution for her will be something like this:

• Boa Hancock returns to AL.
• After Boa Hancock had been to the war and noticed the whole entire situation and stuff, she learned that honesty is important and so is trust from the acts of the WB pirates.
• Boa Hancock starts to trust her island and exposes her secret.
• She is instantly accepted by them all and is dearly overjoyed by this.
• Boa Hancock has her whole past overcome with these powerful actions and she will become a better character.
• Boa Hancock also saves the island and the island then saves her.

They all have a happy ending.

If you want this to happen than instead of her personally exposing the secret, her secret needs to be exposed before she returns to AL. Her doing it herself is completely unlike something Oda would do with the narrative. The people of AL find out before she goes back, and accepts her anyways so that she can find out it was a lie she should never of had to use. They would have loved her anyways. I have actually made an observation in the past that 'if' she was exposed as a slave on the battlefield somehow, she would have 'less' of a chance of joining the strawhats because than it would be perfect for her to head home and be accepted because they would all know before hand and console her. But just like you are 'assuming' I'm assuming she won't have a chance to head home because two very vocal marine officials saw her out right betray the marines and eventually that "I will always be forgiven" trait of hers has got to break.

@AGOG:

Of course, you are saying that this is what may happen:

• Boa Hancock goes with Luffy.
• AL has to have a reason to not be targeted then.
• Boa Hancock wants to seek his affection… And trying to get a bunch of random people not judging her...
• Boa Hancock sails with them for a "freedom" that isn't even remotely important to her, she's basically living a lie.
• Boa Hancock isn't ever given a conclusion because her island isn't forgiving her and she'd be a traitor to them.

Sure, she may have "Luffy" near her, but the sense of justice and support from her whole island won't be there and she'll just be there for LOVE still.

Wait you actually think this supposed 'random' people… being the crew members of the one person she has accepted, is less likely to trust than the people she went out of her way to lie to? She trusts Luffy more than she trusts her own self at this point. And why isn't freedom something she wants? In my last quote I showed just how much fear she has of others not even accepting her and she has to 'play' the part just to survive. Why wouldn't freedom be something she wants? Why 'exactly' would it be a lie?

@AGOG:

Furthermore, this "freedom" idea is once again not a suitable dream for her. They all have a sense of freedom they seek, but they have a DREAM that they try to achieve in that sense of freedom:

• Luffy wants Pirate King.
• Nami wants a world map.
• Zoro to be number one.
• Usopp to be like his father [brave warrior of the sea].
• Sanji wants to find All Blue.
• Robin wants True History.
• Chopper wants to cure all known diseases.
• Brook wants to meet Laboon.

Regardless, each and every character doesn't just focus on FREEDOM, they have a goal that they are going for… Boa Hancock hasn't even shown anything related to this sense, and if you were to assume what her goal was, you'd think it was to become the Kuja Empress...

These guys didn't think of these goals when they met Luffy, they had them in mind for a very long time... So, if Hancock's goal is to basically love Luffy, then it's far too recent and unimportant.

She's once again lacking a motive or dream to join the crew...

You mentioned Pirate King and you don't think freedom is an appropriate dream angle? Fine, she wants freedom and also wants something else with it that ends up leading to that 'freedom' angle being accomplished. Luffy thinks being Pirate King is the one with the most freedom, and thus Pirate King simply becomes his ambition for absolute freedom. How is that any different to what I said other than not putting a focus out that 'defines' this freedom dream, and thats something that could easily come up later. There are after all a lot of repressed stuff going on since she was a slave, what might have been her dream before being a slave still can't be accomplished as an empress who lies to her nation. This is only an angle of possibilty, its not meant to be taken as definite. Instead of being someone that takes peoples words and tries to believe that unless I give a novel worth of info you can't possibily see my angle, try doing some constructive imagination and fill in my blanks jeesh.

@AGOG:

I hate when people say that, she isn't anymore important to the Tenryuubito.

We've never been shown any interest from the Tenryuubito or anything of that sort, in other words, the manga doesn't show this at all… She merely HAD a past concerning them, she's NOT being forced to confront them. What she needs to confront is how she feels about her being a former slave, not how they'll find her. She merely is SCARED of them, which she needs to overcome by means of trusting her island... Her family.

Furthermore, Oda only needs to have her MOVE ON from that past, embrace the present and stop worrying about the past. For instance, we can examine Vivi and how she was so naive and such, yet in the current time frame, after her saga was over, she matured over time.

If Boa Hancock can get the same feeling and such, she too can relieve the anguish she felt from her past and embrace the present to live life to the fullest.

She doesn't need to basically KILL everyone for revenge, she's just trying to find a place to live peacefully, like her island.

For instance, Ace is a prime example... his dream was just to be told that being born is not a crime... Boa Hancock being trusted by her island solves her problem as well...

And exactly when are we going to get this "retribution" for her past. At what point, within this arc, does it look like she is going to settle those feelings. Furthermore she clearly still DESPISES the World Government, you seriously think she won't have any involvement on the final collapse/retribution of the Tenryuubito. That she is just going to stick around on her island and watch them from the sidelines being a cheerleader? If you want to talk out of character, now THAT is out of character from what we have seen of her thus far.

@AGOG:

I've heard all of these, but they never impressed me at all…

Just for the record:

• I don't think she's losing her title.
• I don't think that she's leaving her island as a traitor.
• I don't think that the SH crew is forced to get a SUPER POWERFUL character next.
• I don't agree to Kuja being number nine and that is related to the crew member.
• I don't agree in any other random coincidence, unless there's a clear reason to it.

I'm against so many things for every character, but that's just me. If a character has a con, they aren't nakama material in my book.

Which is precisely why I said they weren't actual info on her becoming a crew member, just simple coincidences that 'could' have turned out to be Odas way of subtly foreshadowing her joining. And wait if a character has a con they can't join? What series have you been following? EVERY character has something about them before they joined that conflicted with joining the crew, they all had a weakness or something that had to be gotten over with to join. By that definition Luffy shouldn't have any crew members whatsoever.

@AGOG:

I don't see the title being revoked…

So, if she doesn't jump on that ship, I will think that I am 100% right and we'll never see her join the crew.

So, basically, when she isn't on Thousand Sunny prior to FI arrival, she's never going to join.

I still wouldn't think that, but I would lower my expectations. I have said from the start if she doesn't join with Luffy at this pivatal moment (the end of the war and Fishman island) she likely never will. So I guess we are in agreement on that.

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[Retardia]

@AGOG:

It has yet to happen and it could go both ways… So, I'm sticking to 0 cause it's too much stuff to bother dealing with.

The only way they'd be saved is if Oda had a cheap wish to let them live...

Everything has a possibility. Right.?

Just like Oda did in this chapter. He killed a big character.

I still support Hancock and Jimbei BTW.

But i think your chicken themed character still has a chance.

[Croy]

@AGOG:

To me, Hancock: ever since she was introduced was at 0…

This chapter, she's still at that 0...

The whole stretch between that, she remains at 0...

Until that island is dealt with, Hancock ain't joining... So, that is her being at 0...

That's my humble opinion.

Yeah ok I think im done argueing with you. There are a ton of people that I personally don't think have a chance of joining, but you know what, I muse the possibilities and accept stuff can change and than I imagine how it could work rather just assume it won't. There is no point in argueing with a person so caught in his own beliefs that he would shun anyones 'facts' as mere coincidences and doesn't even give them a bit of credit. I personally don't think Jimbei will join, hell I think Perona, the one you want to see join has a nigh 0 possibility to join but you know what, I don't say its 0, why? Because I know I can be surprised and its Oda's story so I don't usually piss on other peoples beliefs because stranger things have happened. I take the possibility and try and see what angle that person can give even if I believe it can't possibily work, because who knows what the future holds. I even give a ton of people credit for Jimbei because although I personally don't see it happen, I acknowledge the facts provided.

Now im reminded why I don't bother going into this thread much. Oh well see the rest of you later I guess!

[onionsoup]

I support only sasugay$$

[sheng fu]

sasugay from naruto? that guy is such an ass!!

[Zik]

Can't disagree with AGOG about Hancock.

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I just hope after the 2 new members have joined you fanboys and other tl;dr crazy bastards don't start bringing up reasons why a 11th person can join.

I'll petition for the thread, those posts on sight, and your banishment!

[sheng fu]

yes! AGOG is absolutely right about Hancock

[Johnny B. Decent]

@MmmBug:

Even if Hancock can turn Akainu into stone, he can probably just heat it up and turn himself back into magma within seconds. A small delay at best but Akainu doesn't seem to have much heart, her power might not even work at all on him.

I don't think it quite works like that. But, Akainu probably has no lust, so he wouldn't turn to stone anyways. Aokiji would, though, if that flirt with Nami is anything. The jury's still out on Kizaru.

[onionsoup]

Who said Akainu got no lust. 2 me he looks like a sexy hot steamy male :P