Chapter 574 "The Death of Portgas D. Ace" Discussion
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Now that I've read the translation, with the pictures it actually made me pretty sa– wait. Opening 12.. just became hilarious. YAY FOOO~
Yeah that anime intro just got that much more unbearable. I hope they don't even bother to run it when the actual episode airs when it covers this chapters material. Would be very poetic that it just silently head into the previous episodes material and than end it in silence without a single preview of next episode. I better see it happen Toei!
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I am sort of pissed off at this chapter title, I did so good avoiding spoilers too. Well I haven't read anything yet so it might I imagine its not completely different from the title.
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Cuz Jinbei wasn't that dumb… Sorry for being harsh. But Ace relied to much on his fruit and others like Vista, Jinbei and Marco showed how to fight Akainu or how to stop his attacks
Yeah kinda agree, but still why wasn't Jimbeis hand burned of while Akainu could hit straight through Ace.
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Just read cnet's trans at MH…
DAMMIT, I'M NOT CRYING, YOU BASTARDS!!! :cwy:
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Yeah kinda agree, but still why wasn't Jimbeis hand burned of while Akainu could hit straight through Ace.
Well I'm guessing Jimbei is much stronger than Ace physically and was somehow able to hit away Akainu's attack. Lava/Magma is Tangible, and Jimbei's attacks don't seem to have to actually hit you to knock you away. It's Oda logic basically..
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Yeah kinda agree, but still why wasn't Jimbeis hand burned of while Akainu could hit straight through Ace.
According to Oda's logic, Akainu's magma was the natural predator of Ace's fire.
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MANLY TEARS :cwy: :cwy:
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Well I'm guessing Jimbei is much stronger than Ace physically and was somehow able to hit away Akainu's attack. Lava/Magma is Tangible, and Jimbei's attacks don't seem to have to actually hit you to knock you away. It's Oda logic basically..
Yeah Jinbei is probably much stronger physically than Ace… look at WB... he took a Akainu magma punch and hasn't a hole in the chest
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@Xai:
Garp is so gonna get punished.
Akainu is talking about Jinbei. If he touches Garp, he will get his disgusting fingers bit of.
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Well but still how can Garp still works with the Akainu in the future… I think they have to be seperated forever in each meeting
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and here we thought we'd be crying manly tears for Whitebeards death. Honestly, i thought his " last order" speech was kind of typical and uninspiring as a reader. With baited breath, i am now waiting for every word that comes out of his mouth since this chapter. Perhaps if whitebeard said nothing as he carried out retribution, it would have the most impact. I dont think that will happen though. Whatever Oda has him do now will be epic for sure, because luffy is likely out of the picture.
Lets talk about the anime for a moment. Censorship… In the recent episode, they couldn't even show Bon Clay with blood all over him, just on his face. The blood he was covered with in the manga was in the anime "brown reddish smears". How are they going to show ace with a hole in him (actually, whitebeards got another hole too) much less him passing away... One Piece is aired in the morning for children, right? That's going to suck.
2. Music. Please, during this scene do not play your music Toei. your music is good for this show, but nothing brilliant enough to score this scene. Case in point, Luffy vs croc finale. they had to get something they didn't make. Find something for this.
3. Pacing. If they end one episode with ace getting the fist, its going to not be as good. it has to, in my opinion, be one episode, or they need to do an hour special. Unlikely...
4. Animation/Directing. Has to be top notch. This episode isnt about the fighting animation, so it shouldn't be (I'm sorry, i don't know the animation director names) the fluid fight scene director (Luffy punches Charlos). It's about the characters emotions and expressions. It should be the Merry's death/zoro vs kuma animation director. A key panel to animate is the final panel. What they shouldn't do is just show the panel as a still image, cut to to be continued. What they should do, IMO.... is just animate it.... let the image hang there in the viewers mind. for about 15-20 seconds, as we just watch luffy's face slowly contort disturbingly into what we see, see the frustration, the sorrow, everything take hold of him and devastate him. Make it feel real, as if they are there... In fact, have it completely silent other than the sounds of battle, men shouting, swords clashing, screams, etc. Dont show the to be continued... Cut to black, silence, and no preview for next episode. See about reserving the next 2 minutes on the station to be complete black silence, to impact the viewers watching it live. Pipe dreams, probably. -
I wonder if Boa takes advantages of Luffy now that he's heartbroken ;)
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What is this?
Ace: …Yeah... you know... if it weren't for the Sabo thing… and having a little brother like you to look out for... // ...I would never have... even... wanted to live...
What is Sabo?
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and last chapter almost everyone was saying how IMPOSSIBLE it was for ace to actually die this chapter. i was worried, but i guess i hoped he'd just barely make it too.
i'll admit it, oda made me cry again. but not because it was "depressing", but because it was done in such a moving way. a really beautiful chapter, the faces of luffy, ace, and garp said so much. i never thought i'd care so much for a character i never felt that crazy about and who really hasn't even had that much of a presence in the manga.my money is on luffy losing his will to pursue his dream and we're about to enter a timeskip.
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And here I thought Going Merry's death was epic…this is...more, WAY MORE!
To me Luffy's face on the last page ruins the total built up the chapter has had. That widely opened mouth has too much of a humorous touch to it. It just doesn't make me think of a tragedic moment.
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First time in a long while where I've been impressed with the front cover.
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Flashback!People: Oh, I've got a good one! How about sticking one needle in his body… // ...for every person in the world with a grudge against Roger! // No, he should be burned at the stake…!! That way the whole world… / ...could watch and laugh as he went to his death!! // They'd all be saying the same thing, you know?! / "Serves you right!" Gyahahaha!
That's a bit funny ... Ace was burned to death and on the time had the fire fruit xD
but still it's abit fishy... I really hope Oda let him stay dead... but like i said before... We have to wait for the enxt chapter(s) the ending with Ace promising never to die and that Gol D Ace as last panel maykes me fishy...
Oda don't let my honor for Ace being destroyed -.-
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Oda will not end it this way
He's already said that he will make a manga without death and without love
And also an arc that dured more than a year for helping ace and at the end this hero dies? it will be a real shit, with all my respect for those who loves seeing deaths
And don't forget that ace has more fans than WB him self -
Quite sad chapter. I guess it's time to change my sig too :/
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Next chapter Ace dead body will be taken over by the spirit of Roger who will show how kicking ass is done :P
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Oda will not end it this way
He's already said that he will make a manga without death and without love
And also an arc that dured more than a year for helping ace and at the end this hero dies? it will be a real shit, with all my respect for those who loves seeing deaths
And don't forget that ace has more fans than WB him selfWell i know what you mean and that's why I will first believe it if he stays death till the arc ends…
We know Oda twisted ways of story-telling...
Maybe he is serious this or maybe he fools us all with the Portgas is death but Gol is living shit.
Dunno, but I would say 85 % Ace is dead and 15 % Oda is trolling us...
But I really really hope not
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damn… just saw pics... so much emotional.
i am currently in lab class.. and i cant concentrate on it :(
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What would be the point of Oda trolling us though? I honestly don't think any fans, here at least, would be entertained if Ace still managed to live. If no important characters die in a WAR arc..ima be annoyed. Even if Oda said he wasn't going to kill anyone..you can't have a serious manga that is most likely going to 1000 chapters long without 1 important character biting the dust.
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人事を尽くして天命を待つ
This is just…wow, are there any scanlations already? Dont even get it how people could grasp the sadness without them
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To me Luffy's face on the last page ruins the total built up the chapter has had. That widely opened mouth has too much of a humorous touch to it. It just doesn't make me think of a tragedic moment.
:O
Like this? Hah Ivotas you crack me up being super rational at such an emotional moment in the series :)
@TheSJKarma:What would be the point of Oda trolling us though? I honestly don't think any fans, here at least, would be entertained if Ace still managed to live.
If after all this "proof of death" of the vivre card burning and the chapter title, Ace just comes back, I'll stop reading OP. Probably check back in a few months and read up but that would be beyond lame.
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my money is on luffy losing his will to pursue his dream and we're about to enter a timeskip.
Luffy will never lose his will.
Ace die-ing in his hands and Ace's words will probably only strenghten his will tenfold.oh man. This is why I love one piece. It make me laugh as crazy, cry as a baby, and so much more…
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What would be the point of Oda trolling us though? I honestly don't think any fans, here at least, would be entertained if Ace still managed to live. If no important characters die in a WAR arc..ima be annoyed. Even if Oda said he wasn't going to kill anyone..you can't have a serious manga that is most likely going to 1000 chapters long without 1 important character biting the dust.
Yeah I know but 3 things…
1. WB already said he will stay back to die
2. Oda is even saving fodder from death
3. And the last panels with that I won't die and Gol D ace makes me fishybut like you I hope he stays dead... but I will only be 1oo % sure when the arc ends no signs of Ace or he wil be burried
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Whitebeard is crying..
Garp is crying..luffy is making a horrible crying blank face…
FFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUU
why do i feel annoyed than crying to this chapter?
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Oda will not end it this way
He's already said that he will make a manga without death and without love
And also an arc that dured more than a year for helping ace and at the end this hero dies? it will be a real shit, with all my respect for those who loves seeing deaths
And don't forget that ace has more fans than WB him selfActually Oda didn't say no one would die in One Piece, in fact he said quite the opposite. He said "if" a death was called for to move the plot along, than a death will happen, if the plot can move forward without the person actually dieing, than he will probably have them live. Example Pell and Wyper living has no real consequences other than on the readers morale. Ace dieing actually has storyline consequences that eats at the very core of the protagonists journey itself. I just assumed it would be Whitebeard only because of all the foreshadowing to the 'era' ending, but the foreshadowing was for era of Roger dieing with the death of his son. Now it shall be passed to Luffy, Ace has said it so with his final breath!
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Well i know what you mean and that's why I will first believe it if he stays death till the arc ends…
We know Oda twisted ways of story-telling...
Maybe he is serious this or maybe he fools us all with the Portgas is death but Gol is living shit.
Dunno, but I would say 85 % Ace is dead and 15 % Oda is trolling us...
But I really really hope not
Me too this is what i hope
Cause it will be so worst and nonsense arc
More than a year without seeing zoro and company and ending by killing ace, maybe oda finished his ideas for this arc and wanted to end it how it comes, this what i will think about him -
Actually Oda didn't say no one would die in One Piece, in fact he said quite the opposite. He said "if" a death was called for to move the plot along, than a death will happen, if the plot can move forward without the person actually dieing, than he will probably have them live. Example Pell and Wyper living has no real consequences other than on the readers morale. Ace dieing actually has storyline consequences that eats at the very core of the protagonists journey itself. I just assumed it would be Whitebeard only because of all the foreshadowing to the 'era' ending, but the foreshadowing was for era of Roger dieing with the death of his son. Now it shall be passed to Luffy, Ace has said it so with his final breath!
Ahh you put my hopes alive that he stays dead. Cruel as it is
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Well no. Oda says that for him death of a character the physical one can be done easily. It is taking away the dream of a character which displays the true death for him and thus physical ones arent needed.
So basically Oda would negate himself in this chapter, like he would realize that even though his IDEAL is beautiful and in a way makes sense, Oda sensei realized to achieve the sadness and the dramatic effect, this time around, just taking away the dreams wont be enough, he perhaps realized that the sadness of losing someone forever is far worse than losing your dream…
Because it doesnt effect just you but the one you love and love you back -
Ace is staying dead.
This is really going to be luffy era no WB from the old era or the son of roger . -
Like this? Hah Ivotas you crack me up being super rational at such an emotional moment in the series :)
That's because that face ruins the emotional impact the situation should have on me.
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You know i just realized now the current OP theme song REALLY doesn't fit.
and no the face doesn't ruin anything, at least it didn't to me. I see a man who's in absolute shock and despair, I'm not sure what everyone else was expecting.
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thanks for raw…
thanks steven for trans...
thanks oda for chapter...
i think i'm gonna cry when scan comes out.... -
You know i just realized now the current OP theme song REALLY doesn't fit.
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This was really something… And yes, we never saw Luffy crying with that face. No way Ace is gonna be alive... Once again Oda, you' re a f*cking genius!
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I rarely know what you're getting at.
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What will happen to Marco and Co in the future?
Will marco be the captain of the Bored Marco pirate crew and take over as yonkou?
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What will happen to Marco and Co in the future?
Will marco be the captain of the Bored Marco pirate crew and take over as yonkou?
They will all die :)
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I rarely know what you're getting at.
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That's because that face ruins the emotional impact the situation should have on me.
Hm ok, I thought it was actually pretty gripping, an "utter mental shock" face which fits because it is the first time Luffy has encountered something like this in his happy-go-lucky journey. Despite me being happy a death has occurred finally, and impressed with Akainu, the whole death scene was done very well in an emotional way imo with Ace dying in Luffy's arms, the shot of Ace smiling in tears and then his death.
(and fwiw this is coming from a guy whose reaction to the Merry death was "rofl am I supposed to be sad over a ship dying?" skips ahead)
@Quexinos:I rarely know what you're getting at.
That's "no shit sherlock"
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Actually Oda didn't say no one would die in One Piece, in fact he said quite the opposite. He said "if" a death was called for to move the plot along, than a death will happen, if the plot can move forward without the person actually dieing, than he will probably have them live. Example Pell and Wyper living has no real consequences other than on the readers morale. Ace dieing actually has storyline consequences that eats at the very core of the protagonists journey itself. I just assumed it would be Whitebeard only because of all the foreshadowing to the 'era' ending, but the foreshadowing was for era of Roger dieing with the death of his son. Now it shall be passed to Luffy, Ace has said it so with his final breath!
As i remeber from the sbs oda said it
And this is what was from the start of the manga
A lot of people that should die were stilll alive and everybody know this
that's why we are waitng for iva to do something or it might be by a nex personage
I'm so astonished when oda did it like this so easly and badly
And don't forget how the others lost against marine, from impel down to this bad end
The revolutiony army commanders lost against magellan in 2 seconds
mister one lost against mihawk with one touch
marco and jozu against kizaru and aokiji so easly
WB couldn't do anything against akaino
and finaly ace dies stupidly
and this is the most dangerous pirates in the one piece world
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I liked the expression on Luffy's face, it seemed to me to be total disbelief, which was fitting.
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It seemed like a "Fuck My Life" face more than anything to me…which is what it should be.
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I'd be willing to bet that if the spoiler summaries didn't both end with "We see Luffy with an expression we've never seen before…" no one would be commenting on his expression.
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OH SNAP
I didn't expect the whole thing to be out already. o_OI'll get to working on it ASAP