Also, for anyone who actually thought Akainu wasn't a Logia, the 4th page absolutely confirms it.
Chapter 574 "The Death of Portgas D. Ace" Discussion
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Zeff's dream died with his leg.
But Sanji is the only one which hasn't someone close to him have died.
But Luffy's mother… I hope well hear something about her later on
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But Sanji is the only one which hasn't someone close to him have died.
But Luffy's mother… I hope well hear something about her later on
Well, we don't know about Sanji's real parents. I doubt he was an Apprentice on the Orbit without their consent (or their deaths).
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For loving that me…Thank you
What are you crying for?! Don’t just go around writing people off as dead on your own!
Ace: I promise you! I’ll never die! How could I die and leave a little weakling brother like you behind?
Rouge (I think): If it’s a boy…Ace…this kid’s name will be Gol. D. Ace.if this is exactly how this reads
i think we might see the birth of Gol.D.Ace which is an ace that isn't a pussy
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sorry, forgot about his mother :s
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Ace's fatal wound conveniently took out his tattoo perfectly.
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Also, if this war wasn't only about Ace but about Marines v. Pirates,
"We killed the strongest pirate in the world and we killed the son of Gold Roger and beat down 43 other pirate crews simultaneously." Being televised. If that isn't sending a message of marine dominance over pirates I don't know what does.
Plus, its the extremely heavily foreshadowed end of an era.
then why did the other two Emperors not team up with WB and crush those pesky Marines once and for all?
because the Emporers don't get along. They're not a single united force, and the marines were shitting themselves over the sheer IDEA of Shanks and Whitebeard even MEETING.
Shanks would have been there to help in the battle if not for Kaido, apparently, being greedy in wanting more territory or fame or something, and an ass (He also killed Moria's crew after all.) And we have no idea what 4th emperor is like.
We don't know their reasons for not helping. All we know is that all four emperors are considered seperate but nearly equal forces, so presumably, egos and control of their own territories go along with it.
If it really was going to be about who would hold sway over the world, Marines or Pirates, don't you think it'd make sense for all the Emperors to band together and fight under one banner No. This was strictly a quarrel between Whitebeard and the World Government.
Not counting the Shichibukai, impel down prisoners, or Shanks, who would have been there too if weren't for him covering Whitebeard's flank.
Doflamingo's speech highlighted a secondary effect that this war would have, but it was primarily a battle between Whitebeard Pirates (and affiliates) against the Marine HQ and Royal Shichibukai over Fire Fist Ace.
Ace asked Garp to kill him in prison. Garp told him that, even if Ace were dead, it wouldn't quell Whitebeard's wrath. Ace was a key factor, yes, but it was about pride and saying "you don't mess with one of my own or else you face the consequences."
If it was just about Ace, the WG could have executed him at any time. Instead, they said "We're going to kill him a week from now at exactly this time, we dare you to try and stop it from happening, but we're confident we can handle ANYTHING you pirates throw at us".
It was about a lot more than just the one man. It wouldn't have been the same effect if it was random deckhand #437, but it was about more than just Ace.
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if this is exactly how this reads
i think we might see the birth of Gol.D.Ace which is an ace that isn't a pussy
I think that panel flashback was there to show that after his death, Ace will be remembered forever as Gol D. Ace, son of Roger, even though he never used that name.
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Epic chapter
btw I see Ace dying to save Luffy as Roger's bloodline and the bloodline of the pirate king being handed over to Luffy, because Ace, the son and heir for the pirate king tittle died to save him. -
When I saw the spoiler, i was like ace must survive no matter what…..but when i saw the pics, i was like oh yeah, this is just so epic, "oda better not revive him" though im still on denial...
but the sad thing is until ace's last breathe he didnt acknowledge roger as his father and he still thinks roger is a useless worthless scumbag.
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Well the mroe I think about it the last panels with Ace never dieing and naming him Gol D Ace is a bit fishy… that's why I said I'll believe the death of Ace if in the nxt 10 chapters he stays dead...
But knowing Oda he is playing with us once again... He is unpredictable
Oda: "I killed Portgas D. Ace!"
Everyone: "Oh my god!!! Oda killed one of his characters!!!"Ace comes back as Gol D Ace
Everyone: "WTF!!!?"
Oda: "I told you I won't kill my characters… Did you thought I'll kill a major one like Ace but no minor characters on screen? I just said PORTGAS died! I only kill in flashbacks you idiots"
Everyone: "ASSHOLE!!!"
Luffy: "BASTARD!"Totally Oda... Dunno why... I have to wait some more chapters... We know Oda is crazy and maybe that gol D Ace stuff will becoming true...
Dunno... If Ace stays dead it would have an heavy impact for the story, but if Oda play the game-card than he owned us all really hard
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Holy f… that was fast!
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@Mister:
but the sad thing is until ace's last breathe he didnt acknowledge roger as his father and he still thinks roger is a useless worthless scumbag.
He DID accept it though.
Ace: What I wanted…was an answer to the question “should I have been born?”
Ace: Haah…I can’t speak loudly anymore…Luffy…what I’m about to say….tell everyone
Ace: Pops! Everyone…and Luffy
Ace: Up until today…this hopeless me…this me who has the blood of a demon…
Ace: For loving that me…Thank you!!He died smiling. He knew people loved him and accepted him and would fight for him, even with the Pirate King ties. He accepted that he wasn't worthless, that his being born was a good thing, and recieved the answer to his question "was Roger really so terrible that my being born is a curse?"
And then the chapter ends with
Rouge: If it’s a boy…Ace…this kid’s name will be Gol. D. Ace.
He accepted his place at the end, and his father's in the same moment, and with the flashback symbolism in place, he'll be remembered as Roger's son. Plus, he's passing on the heritage and goal to Luffy officially.
Ace comes back as Gol D Ace
I will stop reading One Piece if this comes to pass.
The name symbolism is already in place with him accepting his role as he dies. He died as Gol D. Ace, that was the entire point of his question,passing the goal to Luffy, and having the bloodline to begin with!
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I would prefer if he stays dead but like I said a bit fishy cut it is Oda… And we know how twisted Oda can be... But we have to wait next chapters....
But if you think the other way and maybe even to deep into that.
if Ace stay's alive as Gol D Ace
- The promise to Luffy would still live
- He would take the name his mother chosed for him
- Would aknowledge himself as being worth to live as son of the king
- And his tatoo on his back is gone
But his whole damn internal organs are burned... So Oda let him stay dead and don't fuck up with us...
If he really somehow would come back I bet the chapter it happens would be the most hated/loved and most flaming one ever with record posts
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u2UP86bciVA
Some things in life are bad,
They can really make you mad,
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle.
And this'll help things turn out for the best.
And….
Always look on the bright side of life, (whistle)
Always look on the bright side of life, (whistle)
If life seems jolly rotten,
There's something you've forgotten,
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
When you're feeling in the dumps,
Don't be silly chumps.
Just purse your lips and whistle, that's the thing.
And...
Always look on the bright side of life. (whistle)
Come on...
Always look on the bright side of life...
For life is quite absurd,
And death's the final word,
You must always face the curtain with a bow.
Forget about your sin,
Give the audience a grin,
Enjoy it - it's your last chance anyhow.
So always look on the bright side of death,
Just before you draw your terminal breath,
Life's a piece of shit,
When you look at it,
Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true.
You'll see it's all a show,
Keep 'em laughing as you go.
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.
And always look on the bright side of life,
Always look on the right side of life,
Come on guys, cheer up.
Always look on the bright side of life.
Worse things happen at sea, you know.
Always look on the bright side of life.
I mean - what have you got to lose?
You know, you come from nothing,
you're going back to nothing.
What have you lost? Nothing!
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Well it looks like Oda planned this from the beginning, he is guy who doesn't kill any characters, if he does then it is part of a big plan.
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Next chapter Luffy unleashes his Haki once again, but this time all of it and the heads of all the fodder marines will explodes. This will set the a nice tone for the rest of One Piece :)
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@robbybedfart:
Always look on the bright side of life
Ace was looking pretty bright when he had a magma fist sticking out of his stomach.
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@robbybedfart:
u2UP86bciVA
Some things in life are bad,
They can really make you mad,
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle.
And this'll help things turn out for the best.
And….
Always look on the bright side of life, (whistle)
Always look on the bright side of life, (whistle)
If life seems jolly rotten,
There's something you've forgotten,
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
When you're feeling in the dumps,
Don't be silly chumps.
Just purse your lips and whistle, that's the thing.
And...
Always look on the bright side of life. (whistle)
Come on...
Always look on the bright side of life...
For life is quite absurd,
And death's the final word,
You must always face the curtain with a bow.
Forget about your sin,
Give the audience a grin,
Enjoy it - it's your last chance anyhow.
So always look on the bright side of death,
Just before you draw your terminal breath,
Life's a piece of shit,
When you look at it,
Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true.
You'll see it's all a show,
Keep 'em laughing as you go.
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.
And always look on the bright side of life,
Always look on the right side of life,
Come on guys, cheer up.
Always look on the bright side of life.
Worse things happen at sea, you know.
Always look on the bright side of life.
I mean - what have you got to lose?
You know, you come from nothing,
you're going back to nothing.
What have you lost? Nothing!
(fade...)Monty Python can usually find a way to help me rebound from a Superbowl loss and an Ace death.
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I'd find an Ace death more akin to winning the Premier League.
So many options now, it makes the new world infinitely more exciting.
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i cant believe his gone…
i feel like something died inside me
i mean ace was so cool with his fire power and know his gone forever
i was so shocked that i order a pop of ace.
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Oda is not going to bring Ace back as Gol D. Ace. If he does then the story will really sink low but I really don't think he will do something like that..
@Darkstorm: I wonder what the look on your face has been like since yesterday. Maniacal grin, yes? :P
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What if Ace just stands up and laughs at Luffy saying he punked him next chapter? :D
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What if Ace just stands up and laughs at Luffy saying he punked him next chapter? :D
LOL OH HELL NAW! XD
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now there needs to be a escape before more pirates suffer at the hands of akainu(sp?
but looking at the map in ch. 525..isnt there a current between ID and Marineford and another marine base? so as far as i know, if the currents the only way out,, Enies lobby is the destination
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Ace's fatal wound conveniently took out his tattoo perfectly.
Better than any laser treatment ^^
Very sad chapter though.
And for Luffy it's another in a continious row of defeats
- He lost his crew on Shabondy
- He was utterly defeated by Magellan and only survived by spending 10 years of his life span
- He had to team up with Crocodile, one of the men he hates most
- He had to let Blackbeard go
- Bentham sacrificed himself to help the others escape
- and now he lost Ace, dying in his arms
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@Steven:
Monty Python can usually find a way to help me rebound from a Superbowl loss and an Ace death.
Do both of these things often happen to you? What other Ace deaths have you been privy to?
I was trying to think of something vaugley obscure, lyrically appropriate, slightly uplifting in contrast to the subject matter, and cute and silly…
but now that I've gone over the lyrics a few times, I'm starting to regret them, because they're making me sad and gaining a context they never had before, cause some of the lyrics are matching a little too appropriatley. "Forget about your sin,
Give the audience a grin," in particular.I might have tainted this song in my mind forever by making a mental AMV out of it.
Oda is not going to bring Ace back as Gol D. Ace. If he does then the story will really sink low but I really don't think he will do something like that..
I said it once and I'll say it again. If Oda goes back on this one, and he uses THAT loophole to try and justify it, I will stop reading the series.
I do not say such things lightly.
Even though I love it so and its my favorite series currently running and I've dropped a ton of money into the franchise. That would just be… pretty much unforgivable storytelling and backpeddling.
Between the wound, the title, the speech, the smile, the acceptance, the card... its gotta be real and its gotta be permanent.
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Well it looks like Oda planned this from the beginning, he is guy who doesn't kill any characters, if he does then it is part of a big plan.
Well most authors tend plan the deaths of their characters . It's not something you just randomly decide on day anyway as for Ace surviving, I'd say changes are slim to zero. Most of the time when character survive things look bad for a while and they pull through. Ace however was killed quickly from out of nowhere and importantly Ace himself gave up on his live. Most characters that survive, either refuse to admit defeat or wonder whether this is it. Ace however clearly admitted this was the end for him and accepted it.
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I really want to feel sad about this chapter - but in One Piece, I can't feel sad about death because it probably isn't death. Honestly, I wouldn't wonder if Oda pulled a "oh, there's a microscopic atom back of his Vivrecard, therefore he still has a chance to survive".
And then the ongoing theme of the arc has been that Whitebeard is part of the old generation and needs to sacrifice himself to push the children of the new generation (including Ace) to their futures.
On the other hand, I won't be half as annoyed as I was with the Pell incident, if Ace turns out to be alive. He was killed by one of the biggest assholes in One Piece, not the most honourable death you can have. -
Ace was looking pretty bright when he had a magma fist sticking out of his stomach.
That reminds me, I thought it was a nice touch to add smoke coming out of Ace's
chestholeback on the last page of this chapter. -
What if Ace just stands up and laughs at Luffy saying he punked him next chapter? :D
Luffy would release the greatest haki and kill Ace with a punch to his damn face…
Luffy: "Now stay dead finally!!!"
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That reminds me, I thought it was a nice touch to add smoke coming out of Ace's
chestholeback on the last page of this chapter.But he's laying face down!
That's so he doesn't choke on his own vomit and die. Laying face down is smart.
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That reminds me, I thought it was a nice touch to add smoke coming out of Ace's
chestholeback on the last page of this chapter.
He might be dead, but he's managed to keep that flame alive.Yeah, the flame of magma that killed him… it's still pretty much alive.
(Luffy's expression is pretty arlongrish...)
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So sad Ace is dead, I really didn't want this to happen… :(
Next chapter, I'm expecting WBs pirates (especially WB, Marco and Vista) to seek for revenge on akainu, and Luffy still "out" with Ace... and then Luffy gets mad, releases full haki and everyone is like "omfg" (and maybe lands one punch on Akainu already? Or that will be for the next chapter). -
But he's laying face down!
That's so he doesn't choke on his own vomit and die. Laying face down is smart.
he's still gonna piss and shit himself
all stupid corpses do that
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R.I.P Ace :cwy:
But, let me dream about the next arc: the fountain of youth
And then, Luffy goes SSJ!!! (Although i prefer the yushuke vs toguro approach: he stays the same but with more energy) It would be predictable, but it would be cool if, considering the state of luffy it would be a short show, he makes a demonstration an puts Akainu in a difficult situation. Then WG realises they have made a mistake because they have created a beast!
:happy::devil:Let's see what Oda is planning after this sad chapter…
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So sad Ace is dead, I really didn't want this to happen… :(
Next chapter, I'm expecting WBs pirates (especially WB, Marco and Vista) to seek for revenge on akainu, and Luffy still "out" with Ace... and then Luffy gets mad, releases full haki and everyone is like "omfg" (and maybe lands one punch on Akainu already? Or that will be for the next chapter).I don't think WB in for revenge right now, i think he rather doesn't want any of his other sons being killed anymore… that's why he's a tear dripper, instead of KAAAAAAAHN!!!
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crying as Franky would No I'm not crying idiots!
It was really touching. sniff
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damn, sad chapter, luffy go with gear 4th!
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Hey c'mon now people, the bright side is that now that Ace is finally out of the way Luffy has nothing left to hold him back from reuniting with our mucho macho more loved Straw Hat Nakamas!!!
…tho timeskip is at hand anyway...
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Think of it this way Ace fans: Now Ace can meet his parents at last! ^^
Cute pic not drawn by me. (lol btw I was looking through my pics a few days ago and found this one and was like 'Aww~ Wouldn't it be nice if Ace met his mom and dad?' If this wasn't Oda, I would've really thought I jinxed it. :'D)
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This might have already been mentioned, but did anyone notice that Luffy isn't actually crying? No tears.
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O.o oh… I Don't have a words
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Ace's fire was shining like the sun
but this time it wasn't fun
cuz Red Dogs fire was even hodder (I know it is spelled hotter)
so Ace was owned like fodderSo please Oda let him stay dead
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Random thoughts time:
- Luffy looked like he just died too, wow
- Oda actually made it pretty gripping, Ace's death, but it is kinda overshadowed by the sheer joy of someone finally kicking the bucket live (lol)
- Sengoku holding Garp down was pretty cool.. in a way this is traitorish behavior but it's surely special circumstances for Garp, and Sengoku&Garp just seem like old time buddies..
- Jimbei getting roasted, and then Marco and Vista stepping in, also pretty cool. Vista confirmed as a haki using swordsman (that almost sounds like a logia's worst nightmare), I can get on board with Zoro developing haki in the future too now
- Last chapter and this one make Akainu the most badass marine and star of this whole war!
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This might have already been mentioned, but did anyone notice that Luffy isn't actually crying? No tears.
There's also no sound coming out of his mouth, nor are there any sound effects on that page. (Pointed out by CCC).
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This might have already been mentioned, but did anyone notice that Luffy isn't actually crying? No tears.
I think its because he subconsciously didn't want to think of it as a possibility. It wasn't possible to him, he 'knew' he would live so there was no point in crying and than the moment Aces card burned up the realization hit him like a ton of bricks and he fainted from it.
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Wouldn't be surprised if he's too shocked and too tired to cry anymore and has to be dragged out immediately in order to not become a corpse statue of himself…
He has been at it since Impel Down, with drugs, as you all know...