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Chapter 571 "The Execution Stand" Discussion
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It's all about the risk taken. You're assuming, without 100% doubt, that he could have killed Ace.
Kizaru may have doubts about that, and destroying the key was much more a sure victory.Look, I feel you man.
I'm going to tell myself this eventually so I can read on. But right now I feel that there could have been so many more exciting or better ways to destroy that key that wouldn't cause me to question the entire validity of the commanders being alive right now.
We have witnessed as Kizaru put a whole the size of a grapefruit from far away to an extremely powerful individual's head as is Marco. If he has no qualms about shooting WB at point blank range, then why doesn't he just go for the eyes? He can certainly pull it off.
And really the shot he took is even harder than placing a shot through an eye or even a nose. Way harder. A key is thinner than half of your pinkie's width, and he broke it in half. Cleanly. It just seems terrible to give him such power only to never have him use it up till now.
I'm sorry but I'll feel ripped off unless Kizaru is the kind of guy who disables/captures his enemies and draws the line at killing. Which would explain that he knew he could shoot Marco if he already knew his powers.
@CzechMate: Dude, the problem is that I have to convince myself to accept something that doesn't make sense at all in the first place. I have been able to justify everything up till now, and I fucking love the series. But I just can't explain this one this time. I'm going to go with Aohige's justification, but I still think it's a completely bogus move on Oda's part, and the only reasonable solution would be to have Kizaru not kill on principle.
UsoppSpell!
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I see the difference, my point is that it may still remain a possibility as Oda hasn't written in stone that he can't use other fire in conjunction with his own abilities.
By your logic Marco would be burnt by any flames, except his own.
Yes. Especially if he has sea stone cuffs on.
That's another thing. I don't see why he'd need Ace's flames when he can use his own. What he needs is for the cuffs to come off. Not for someone to smother him in flames in hopes that they heal him like his own flames usually do.
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noob here. i dunno y peeps make a big fuss about shooting the key instead of luffy. its a logical choice to make since destroying the key will eliminate the possibility of freeing ace. shooting luffy in the head wont guarantee it will kill luffy and theres still the possibility of someone else using the key to free ace. plus the marines make a big deal about wanting the world to see ace get executed live and along with the downfall of whitebeard. if they wanted to kill ace, they could of done it long time ago. so the marines plan backfired and we want to know whats gonna happen next since ace is freed now.
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noob here. i dunno y peeps make a big fuss about shooting the key instead of luffy. its a logical choice to make since destroying the key will eliminate the possibility of freeing ace. shooting luffy in the head wont guarantee it will kill luffy and theres still the possibility of someone else using the key to free ace. plus the marines make a big deal about wanting the world to see ace get executed live and along with the downfall of whitebeard. if they wanted to kill ace, they could of done it long time ago. so the marines plan backfired and we want to know whats gonna happen next since ace is freed now.
See the problem is that if he can shoot like that then why didn't he do it before. Everyone should be dead. I have no problems with him shooting the key instead of Luffy, but in that he can pull off that shot in the first place. From 500 yards or more.
Look, I'm gonna stop now before I give myself acid reflux.
But really, this sucks. I'm sorry if I'm being annoying, it's just the way I feel.
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The problem is not about shooting the key, the problem is about kizaru who is now one of the best "sniper" on the world of OP. So, what the hell he is doing while he could shoot all the pirates heads from the execution place.
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Look, I feel you man.
I'm going to tell myself this eventually so I can read on. But right now I feel that there could have been so many more exciting or better ways to destroy that key that wouldn't cause me to question the entire validity of the commanders being alive right now.
We have witnessed as Kizaru put a whole the size of a grapefruit from far away to an extremely powerful individual's head as is Marco. If he has no qualms about shooting WB at point blank range, then why doesn't he just go for the eyes? He can certainly pull it off.
And really the shot he took is even harder than placing a shot through an eye or even a nose. Way harder. A key is thinner than half of your pinkie's width, and he broke it in half. Cleanly. It just seems terrible to give him such power only to never have him use it up till now.
I'm sorry but I'll feel ripped off unless Kizaru is the kind of guy who disables/captures his enemies and draws the line at killing. Which would explain that he knew he could shoot Marco if he already knew his powers.
@CzechMate: Dude, the problem is that I have to convince myself to accept something that doesn't make sense at all in the first place. I have been able to justify everything up till now, and I fucking love the series. But I just can't explain this one this time. I'm going to go with Aohige's justification, but I still think it's a completely bogus move on Oda's part, and the only reasonable solution would be to have Kizaru not kill on principle.
I also forget to point out that kizaru can't beam half way across the battle field since he would not only hit his enemies but allies also. That along with if a beam is coming from far away they just dodge it . You could say the only reason the key was hit was because oda made luffy not pay attention to any thing else.
Also again kizaru beams don't moves as fast as light as there was no way marco could have block them to save WB like he first did.
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Seriously, maybe he did aim at Luffy or Ace and just hit the key when he missed.
And when Garp closed his eyes while fighting Luffy, he probably just fell asleep. Or that's what he is going to say when the Marines ask him afterwords.
I have to say that I'm excited for this arc to end just so I can see the amazing party at the end. Well, that and Luffy's bounty. Because really, that's just going to be ridiculous.
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Seriously, maybe he did aim at Luffy or Ace and just hit the key when he missed.
And when Garp closed his eyes while fighting Luffy, he probably just fell asleep. Or that's what he is going to say when the Marines ask him afterwords.
Seriously? No.
How much time did Kizaru need to pierce Hawkins at shabondy? Surely not that much… He wasn't like "loading energy 10%...20%...50%...100" beam he just shoot it and it went through hawkins body. Just like he shoot WB and the key. So yes...
It would have been much more believable if let's say the plattform shook due to WBs quake against Kizaru making luffy loose the key due to it and his excitation from being so near to death (sengoku) and so near to save ace. Don't forget he just punched his old man straight in the face before. Oda would have made it and i would have believed it. But kizaru?"Hey WB take that: beam through the chest, Whaaat? Strawhat? You're so near to your goal? beam key hehehehehehehe!"
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To be honest, I've always gotten the impression that Kizaru doesn't just one shot everyone for a very simple reason: he's kind of an asshole.
He could have finished Zoro several times on Shabondy but instead he let the Strwahats try, and fail, to stop him. If Aokiji is lazy justice and Akainu is absolute justice, I'd have to say that Kizaru is jackass justice. He wants people to suffer before he finishes them off, so he never goes for the direct shot.
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The problem is that he can pull of a shot harder than a headshot, from approximately 5-8 blocks away without it being a technique with some kind of warmup.
The other problem is that sure, maybe he doesn't like to snipe, but putting one through Luffy or WB's head at point blank range is cowardly how? He did it with Marco, but because Marco can survive it, nothing happenned. So how the hell do you explain that he doesn't simply shoot for the eyes when he can do so with ease??
I was okay with Marco receiving a Headshot becuase I thought that Kizaru was spraying and praying, but this is a major inconsistency regardless of how you look at it, unless Kizaru doesn't like killing. Because let's be honest he could have done it a billion trillion times.
So your big beef is that he chooses to shoot people through the chest instead of through the head? Going for the eyes are also considered to be a cowardly way of fighting by many.
His fight with Marco was after they had established each other as opponents, and Marco really only received a headshot when he was flying at Kizaru head first.
Kizaru wasn't the right choice in this scene. The guy had the time while fighting with WB to just shoot a beam so accurate from that distance and blow the key away. What stopped him unaccurately firing let's say 10 beams through luffys body? He did pierce Zoro back then at Shabondy while tooking him by surprise… So?
Ok, Kizaru had already shot WB and seemed to have had a bit of free time after that, so I don't see that as an issue. Then, shooting Luffy's body may not have stopped him from actually using the key. The target he picked was the most effective to stop the handcuffs from coming off from his perspective.
Also, there is absolutely nothing to say that he shot Zoro in the back, or take him by surprise, or even that he didn't say hello before firing. In the manga, the first thing we see is the explosion from afar, leaving us with very little info to go on.
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I wonder if the Whitebeard Pirates will press on or attempt a retreat, though I'm banking on the former since Ace getting free would motivate them all the more to beat up the marine forces. Plus it'd set up an advantage after constatnly being on the losing end ever since the Pacifistas arrived.
And Sengoku being a statueman…not something I expected but it seems pretty neat, though turning that big on the scaffold wasn't really a wise choice. Makes me wonder how the fight with him and Garp against Shiki went during chapter 0.
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You all are, assuming, that his laser that was shot with the precision to destroy the key was powerful enough to penetrate Ace's skull without a doubt.
If there was a risk of it not penetrating, the best use of it is to destroy the key, which is guranteed to be destroyed by it.
beat me to it.
He's done plenty of light speed attacks, none of them have left actual holes in anyone unless i'm forgetting something.
He might be able to knock some people out (the old fashioned concussion way not the Haki way) by aiming at peoples heads but I doubt he'd kill anyone.
What's more surprising is he managed to snap the key in half. It would've made more sence if it just went flying out of his hand (not that his powers make much sence in the first place from a rl physics standpoint)
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Ok, Kizaru had already shot WB and seemed to have had a bit of free time after that, so I don't see that as an issue. Then, shooting Luffy's body may not have stopped him from actually using the key.
Oh kizaru pierced luffy right after the VAs attack on him and luffy just fell on the floor. That's not a point here. Moreover kizaru had as you said plenty of time to fire many more beams. So?
The target he picked was the most effective to stop the handcuffs from coming off from his perspective.
Also, there is absolutely nothing to say that he shot Zoro in the back, or take him by surprise, or even that he didn't say hello before firing. In the manga, the first thing we see is the explosion from afar, leaving us with very little info to go on.
That's speculating he was kind enough to not shoot someone in the back. We simply don't know that? Because you also know the guy just blew a whole tree after landing on shabondy taking out many pirates just in one blow. Did he said hello to them? I'm going from what we've seen so far.
The situation was very very bad. Luffy was one inch away from freeing ace. Why not just kill him like he tried so many times in the past? If someone would have interferd then the beam key would have also been stopped. But he still fired it!The plattform shaking making luffy dropp the key would have been much more believable than an admiral with the power to one shot luffy to just one shot the key instead of Ace or Luffy. Both could have been killed by Kizaru!
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
Yes. Especially if he has sea stone cuffs on.
lol
That's another thing. I don't see why he'd need Ace's flames when he can use his own. What he needs is for the cuffs to come off. Not for someone to smother him in flames in hopes that they heal him like his own flames usually do.
True, I'm just not sure how he'll be effected now that he's hurt whilst in his normal state?
Meh, chances are he's be able to regenerate regardless. My point was his flame regeneration may work more effectively if being in his element.
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So your big beef is that he chooses to shoot people through the chest instead of through the head? Going for the eyes are also considered to be a cowardly way of fighting by many.
His fight with Marco was after they had established each other as opponents, and Marco really only received a headshot when he was flying at Kizaru head first.
Ok, Kizaru had already shot WB and seemed to have had a bit of free time after that, so I don't see that as an issue. Then, shooting Luffy's body may not have stopped him from actually using the key. The target he picked was the most effective to stop the handcuffs from coming off from his perspective.
Also, there is absolutely nothing to say that he shot Zoro in the back, or take him by surprise, or even that he didn't say hello before firing. In the manga, the first thing we see is the explosion from afar, leaving us with very little info to go on.
Look, don't be unreasonable or twist my words.
Kizaru is an experienced fighter. This means that he knows that in the world of One Piece, torso hits don't hit vital parts and the area is just one big hitbox ala FPS that deals the same damage all over(i'm exaggerating but you catch my drift). Shooting the head does kill, as seen on chapter one. Unless he has something against it, not doing it is completely stupid and senseless. It feels as though Oda is just telling us: "Looky here, I made a guy who can hit a fly from 5 blocks away with a super powerful explosive laser, but who won't ever kill anyone cause I say so."
It feels as if Oda is trolling us.
You're basically saying the same thing I'm saying. Unless it's on principle, it isn't reasonable for him to not have killed everyone worth noting already. You're saying that he has a problem with "dishonorable fighting". I could be okay with that. It may sound forced to me as I've never heard of "real men only hit the torso" but I would accept it.
But any other justification is bogus.
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Kizaru or Akainu can't blast big attacks continously, because that will destroy Marineford. Why stop Whitebeard from destroying it if they destroy it themself?
Also, i think wb and ace will live. The marine can say that they just follow the agreement beetwen them and whitebeard that's aired by dendenmushi in Shabondy. -
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Oh kizaru pierced luffy right after the VAs attack on him and luffy just fell on the floor. That's not a point here. Moreover kizaru had as you said plenty of time to fire many more beams. So?
Then go back to my original point that he may view sniping as cowardly. Stopping Ace from being freed had to be done, and shooting the key was the most effective way to accomplish that (one would think).
That's speculating he was kind enough to not shoot someone in the back. We simply don't know that?
You're right, we have no idea. In the anime he actually appears in front and shoots Zoro through the chest, not that the anime is worth anything. So, since we really have no idea how it went down, we can't really use it to argue for either side.
Because you also know the guy just blew a whole tree after landing on shabondy taking out many pirates just in one blow. Did he said hello to them? I'm going from what we've seen so far.
Not only did he say hello first, he tried to ask them a question. He didn't shoot until they tried to run away.
The situation was very very bad. Luffy was one inch away from freeing ace. Why not just kill him like he tried so many times in the past? If someone would have interferd then the beam key would have also been stopped. But he still fired it!
Yet again, original point, he may view sniping as cowardly. Also again, as I stated, he needed to stop Ace from being freed and taking out the key seemed to be the best avenue to take to accomplish that.
Look, don't be unreasonable or twist my words.
Kizaru is an experienced fighter. This means that he knows that in the world of One Piece, torso hits don't hit vital parts and the area is just one big hitbox ala FPS that deals the same damage all over(i'm exxagerating but you catch my drift). Shooting the head does kill, as seen on chapter one. Unless he has something against it, not doing it is completely stupid and senseless. It feels as though Oda is just telling us: "Looky here, I made a guy who can hit a fly from 5 blocks away with a super powerful explosive laser, but who won't ever kill anyone cause I say so."
It feels as if Oda is trolling us.
You're basically saying the same thing I'm saying. Unless it's on principle, it isn't reasonable for him to not have killed everyone worth noting already. You're saying that he has a problem with "dishonorable fighting". I could be okay with that. It may sound forced to me as I've never heard of "real men only hit the torso" but I would accept it.
But any other justification is bogus.
I wasn't attempting to twist your words, I was honestly trying to paraphrase your argument. We've seen that head shots don't necessarily kill either. Hancock messed up some dude's head back in the slave arrow chapter and he's still alive, yes?
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No, because we're not Oda and don't expect us to be.
The first two executioners were taken down by Crocodile, and fell off the platform.
That's a perfect time for Mr.3 to take clothes from one of their bodies (which fell far below), and sneak up there.Hm, I'll have to reread it them because I don't remember that
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Seriously? No.
How much time did Kizaru need to pierce Hawkins at shabondy? Surely not that much… He wasn't like "loading energy 10%...20%...50%...100" beam he just shoot it and it went through hawkins body. Just like he shoot WB and the key. So yes...
It would have been much more believable if let's say the plattform shook due to WBs quake against Kizaru making luffy loose the key due to it and his excitation from being so near to death (sengoku) and so near to save ace. Don't forget he just punched his old man straight in the face before. Oda would have made it and i would have believed it. But kizaru?"Hey WB take that: beam through the chest, Whaaat? Strawhat? You're so near to your goal? beam key hehehehehehehe!"
Sorry, shouldn't have said seriously there. I was trying to be funny. Guess I failed.
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There's always the possibility that Blackbeard may enter the scene if he's completed his task. After all both sides are easy pickings in comparison to what they were.
Yeah I figure the Blackbeard Pirates will show no matter what the circumstances. I'd just prefer it being while the Whitebeard Pirates' side is at an advantage rather than while running away with Ace's freedom providing the motivation for them to do the former.
Plus it'd be more awesome to see Teach being the one who turns the tide towards the Navy once again.
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Kizaru blew a hole straight through Hawkins chest.
Indeed, was just checking and saw that.
I stand corrected. Still doesnt mean it can penetrate a skull, although maybe he should be aiming for eye sockets or something.
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I wasn't attempting to twist your words, I was honestly trying to paraphrase your argument. We've seen that head shots don't necessarily kill either. Hancock messed up some dude's head back in the slave arrow chapter and he's still alive, yes?
Fair enough.
Do we know that that guy is alive?
I'm curious as to just how far Oda will take One Piece's population's endurance.
You know, at this point I think Oda might actually have a massive blindside hit prepared for us when we get to Vegapunk.
Maybe Oda invented an entirely different physiology for the regular human of One Piece? There hasn't ever been an actual mention of a vital organ being ruptured or injured, unless I'm mistaken, and only loss of blood and (broken bones? I'm not sure I might be pulling this one out of my ass) were ever mentioned as actual scientific diagnoses concluded from observation, and none of this would exclude fevers diseases and poisons.
We have heard talk of hearts at least, so we should at least believe there's a reasonable chance that hearts exist. But what if actual normal average joe bodies are far less fragile than our own world's?
I really wouldn't mind at all. I know it's probably Oda just trying to remove that part out of the equation of battle. I know this is not Berserk. But I wouldn't mind if it turns out that this World's population is actually quite different from our own. It would even add to the fantasy element. If they can already drop people with their will, then why not give them a different physiology entirely?
Of course to most this would sound like crap. And I know this is just as likely to happen as Sanji's hidden eye actually being a surgically implanted Sharingan, but I think it would be a rather nice breath of fresh air if it turned out to be so.
UsoppSpell!
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Hey Usoppspell that's an interesting idea. High durability in organs would be pretty cool. I t would kind of make sense anyway considering how superhuman some of these characters are, especially the df users for obvious reasons.
As for the chapter, Oda just keeps rewarding his fans with excellent manga. I was impressed anyway with Kizaru's ability but I didn't realise he could be so precise with his attacks. I was probably thinking of large scale destruction like when he destroyed those groves back in the Sabondy Archipaelego arc. As for the last page- bad ass is all I can say.
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Do we know that that guy is alive?
I was fairly sure I remember seeing cracked head guy running around later, but in a quick glance through the next few chapters I couldn't find it again. Even without that, though, we have http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/555/08-09/ a guy missing the side of his head and talking on the last panel, and http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/555/10-11/ a different guy missing the other side of his head and talking.
A different physiology would certainly be interesting, but I have a feeling that Oda is just going to avoid the topic all together.
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- "Prakamya–It is the containing of more than one's expectations and the power of casting off the old skin and maintaining a youthful appearance for an unusually long period of time.
In comparison with Garp.Sengoku seems almost uneffected from age.
Seems that he is indeed a Budda.
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This isnt a different physiology, this is a manga, a story which is not based on the reality, the author can do what he wants with it. There is no need to compare with our reality, like why this guy is not dead after he gets shot?
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Luffy Vs Garp is in my top five one piece moments. It's so emotional, it shits on Vivi's "stop the war" during the alabasta arc.
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At the end of the day it's still shonen manga . Oda is not going to bother with any of that ,plus there no reason for him to.
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Luffy Vs Garp is in my top five one piece moments. It's so emotional, it shits on Vivi's "stop the war" during the alabasta arc.
It was pretty anti-climactic.
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Oh, and about the José joke discussion above.
Japanese spelling for the spanish name José is ホセ. Pronunciated Ho-seh.
Not even remotely close to ジョズ, Joz. :)Yeah, I was just joking, I always figured it was pronounced Joe-zoo.
But then again, We were way off with Oz actually being Oars.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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Can't wait 4 anime version it will be E.P.I.C and btw now all they have to do is escape XD (What would have Mr.3 done if luffy didn't use haki, kill Ace?) OH and Garp will be fired, take Coby and helmeppo and become like assistant pirates that or sengoku cannot fire garp because of some unpaid debt or something. Sengoku looks cool with Afro in giant mode (XD)
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@People:
This isnt a different physiology, this is a manga, a story which is not based on the reality, the author can do what he wants with it. There is no need to compare with our reality, like why this guy is not dead after he gets shot?
Touche, man, classical touche.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
It was pretty anti-climactic.
Vivi. Nothing you can do about it.
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I know this sentence gets tossed around a lot but 'Best chapter ever'.
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I hope the anime will explain how Mr.3 snuck his way up to the execution platform.:wassat:
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I think that's why the giant's have so much clothes because of sengoku he wears the clothes while in his devil fruit mode then gives it to the giants XD
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What the hell was the point of the key anyway? First, Hancock magically has it without any previous explanation (an odd plot device that was off-putting for a few of us readers). Then in this chapter there's a one-panel flashback reminding us. Then the key is broken anyway but, who cares, Mr. 3 is right there!
Like, what was the purpose of this? It's not like having the key was Luffy's only motivation to climb the scaffolding. Key or no, he would've jumped up there.
Not only that, but it's not like Mr. 3 needed another crowning moment or anything, he already showed he's changed when he helped Luffy vs. Magellan. Sure, it's a nice development of his character, but it's not an especially necessary one.
So in short, Kizaru's absurd accuracy doesn't bother me much (it's pretty implausible to be sure) compared to how random and pointless the key turned out to be.
Oh, and one more thing…Sengoku's clothes were clearly destroyed by his transformation. You can see his abs in the panel where he jumps away from the exploding scaffold.
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What the hell was the point of the key anyway? First, Hancock magically has it without any previous explanation (an odd plot device that was off-putting for a few of us readers). Then in this chapter there's a one-panel flashback reminding us. Then the key is broken anyway but, who cares, Mr. 3 is right there!
Like, what was the purpose of this? It's not like having the key was Luffy's only motivation to climb the scaffolding. Key or no, he would've jumped up there.
Not only that, but it's not like Mr. 3 needed another crowning moment or anything, he already showed he's changed when he helped Luffy vs. Magellan. Sure, it's a nice development of his character, but it's not an especially necessary one.
So in short, Kizaru's absurd accuracy doesn't bother me much (it's pretty implausible to be sure) compared to how random and pointless the key turned out to be.
Oh, and one more thing…Sengoku's clothes were clearly destroyed by his transformation. You can see his abs in the panel where he jumps away from the exploding scaffold.
its for later when luffy remenices of how much shes helped him and future love isk scenes
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so maybe sengoku can turn into statues or concrete and just decided to make a Buddha-like statue as his icon o.O
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@BattleFrankyBot:
its for later when luffy remenices of how much shes helped him and future love isk scenes
Noooooooooooooooooooo
16 no's.
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Fair enough.
Do we know that that guy is alive?
I'm curious as to just how far Oda will take One Piece's population's endurance.
You know, at this point I think Oda might actually have a massive blindside hit prepared for us when we get to Vegapunk.
Maybe Oda invented an entirely different physiology for the regular human of One Piece? There hasn't ever been an actual mention of a vital organ being ruptured or injured, unless I'm mistaken, and only loss of blood and (broken bones? I'm not sure I might be pulling this one out of my ass) were ever mentioned as actual scientific diagnoses concluded from observation, and none of this would exclude fevers diseases and poisons.
We have heard talk of hearts at least, so we should at least believe there's a reasonable chance that hearts exist. But what if actual normal average joe bodies are far less fragile than our own world's?
I really wouldn't mind at all. I know it's probably Oda just trying to remove that part out of the equation of battle. I know this is not Berserk. But I wouldn't mind if it turns out that this World's population is actually quite different from our own. It would even add to the fantasy element. If they can already drop people with their will, then why not give them a different physiology entirely?
Of course to most this would sound like crap. And I know this is just as likely to happen as Sanji's hidden eye actually being a surgically implanted Sharingan, but I think it would be a rather nice breath of fresh air if it turned out to be so.
There might be problems with Oda re-explaining the physical make-up of the people. I think it would be bad for the story for the reason that the readers wouldn't take hits seriously anymore, they'd just say "Oh well, the physical make up is different".It's sorta like what people say when Luffy takes a hit: "Don't worry he's made out of rubber." The "don't worry" part is detrimental to the story. The story has to make the reader worry, they have to be engaged with it. And the readers thinking the characters are privy to the same damage us, sets a bar of expectation and adds to the emotion the readers feel when appreciating the story. Could we have felt the same way when Usopp was beaten by the Frank family if Oda explained that the anatomy of people in the One Piece world was vastly different from our own?
One Piece is so long that usually I forget that people usually don't die, Pell being the exception. The fact of people not keeling over is affecting believability for me a little bit, but I don't mind. The rest of the story is good that I try my best to suppress disbelief in order to enjoy it more.
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Ya know, the Kizaru thing is a valid point, but it can be solved just by mellowing out a little.
Kizaru getting one accurate hit doesn't make him an ace sniper. It makes him accurate, yes, but not that he can just shoot whatever he wants. We can easily assume that it'd be a different case against live opponents. I also like the suggestion that "shooting the key means that Ace can't be freed, so even if he shot Luffy some guy wouldn't just pick up the key."
And to the guy who said "why isn't every one on the field dead now?" Well….how do we know they aren't? Maybe Kizaru's been doing this awhile now. Why aren't all the pirates dead? Human will of course, what, just because Kizaru shot one little key means that people can't dodge a death blow? Not when you're a pirate on the level of this war!
It's a good point that, Kizaru was a bad, even lazy, choice to wreck that key, but it doesn't need to be taken that seriously. Assuming that Kizaru is perfect is the big mistake there.
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the kizaru argument is just stupid. could list a bunch of reason's why but not going to bother just going to mention this.
how many times do you see in all media ENTERTAINMENT (key word) where the guy will shoots the gun out of someones hand, or weapon, or whatever perfectly whatever it is. Or how about how many times do you see when a villain or hero of the story always dodges the shot going directly at a kill shot even when shot from hiding and not expected. Charcters in media entertainment always seem to have a 6th sense to tell them when tehy are going to die and they ALWAYS dodge the fatal shot. but if the person is aiming for the gun, weapon, controller or whatever in their hand, they aren't any the wiser and it get shot out of their hand.
So why now the bitching. This is like the billionth time this has happened in manga/anime/movies/books/tv/ect.
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Everyone is getting worked up for no reason. You do remember thy Kizaru kicked luffy away from the platform 2 times before right? At eithe of those poiints he could have moved infront of luffy, grabbed his shirt and blew his head off. But he didn't, he chose to kick him. Aokoji didn't have to touch Joz to fight him at all, he could have just made a mid sized ice blast to freeze his whole body in an instant, but he didn't. Whitebeard could have fucking quaked marineford in half before they got there, then sailed trough the middle and right up to the scaffold. But he didn't. And don't use the excuse that he didn't want to hurt ace because I'm sure he could aim for one part of an ENTIRE island. He didn't have to attack anywhere near ace. Joz could have grabbed croc by his leg and bent him In half, luffy could have done a gomu stor garp but he chose to do a pistol. Why not just question every menuver in the series? If Kizaru shot the key instead of ace or luffy that's what he did. It worked right? So damn leave it be.
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Actually no, the argument trying to justify Kizaru's actions are stupid. That one lazer blast could of put Luffy AND Ace out of commission. Blasting the key didn't make any difference anyway as you all seen.
As for the chapter no this war, nah, not good.
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Actually no, the argument trying to justify Kizaru's actions are stupid. That one lazer blast could of put Luffy AND Ace out of commission. Blasting the key didn't make any difference anyway as you all seen.
As for the chapter, nah, not good.
and i'm saying as is seen in millions of other manga/anime/movie/game/ect luffy or ace would have instictively noticed the attack and dodged it compeletly or just dodged a lethal blow.
but as same as in those millions of other shows and stuff have shown if you aim not at them but something else they won't dodge it and you will hit it. Whether that is a small mechanical thing for his rocket boots, or a gun in their hand, or the bomb detonater in thier hand, ect. THey will always hit that, but if the person instead uses that AMAZING aim as you say and shoot for the person eye the person will dodge it with his 6th sense or instincts per say. It always happens. SO why bitch now, is this you guys first time ever seeing this? seriosuly go out and watch some action movies or other shonen manga, it happens all the fucking time.
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LOL @ Yonkou#3's new avy.
@Technique:Actually no, the argument trying to justify Kizaru's actions are stupid. That one lazer blast could of put Luffy AND Ace out of commission. Blasting the key didn't make any difference anyway as you all seen.
As for the chapter, nah, not good.
Yeah the decision really doesn't make any sense. Why destroy the key when you can kill the person about to use it?
It basically makes the whole Hancock slipping Luffy the key useless but then again maybe Oda didn't want us thinking Luffy was stupid enough to get to Ace with no plan or anyway of getting him free:ninja:
