@Kairouseki:
Not sure if I'd like that or not :ermm: . It most likely won't happen but it would be interesting if it did.
I also thought of this possibility… showing in a Flashback (of Luffy or another character) what happened... That way Oda could kill anyone he wants :D
i've asked this before, but i didn't get a straight answer…but why hasnt anyone found one piece? ESPECIALLY whitebeard...who was said to be the one closest to one piece...it seems luffy and them made more coverage of the sea than he has when gold roger declared the new age of pirates telling everyone to find one piece....
thats the only thing i do not understand
Some people have hypothesized that only a D can reach One Piece. Not sure about that but it could be that they're not fated to get it.
Unrelated to the current conversation but while browsing Wiki I came across a page where the were talking about the rankings of British navy officers and the color of flag that was used to mark their ships in battle. I realized that Oda's Admirals have the same ranking system.
Sengoku –> Fleet Admiral --> Admiral of The White aka Commander
Akainu --> Admiral --> Admiral of the Red aka Most Senior Admiral
Kizaru --> Admiral --> Admiral of The Yellow aka Second Rank Admiral
Aokiji --> Admiral --> Admiral of The Blue aka Youngest Admiral
sorry for the off topic but I hope this ends the constant trolling and flaming that infects this forum about power levels from time to time...
On Topic about the One Piece itself.... I wonder what the term 'Closest to One Piece' refers to...if its simply physical distance or some sort of barrier... I mean one would figure that the strongest pirates could surmount any enemy in the way...maybe they are afraid of the other yonkou stopping them. Or theres the possibility to the path they chose to take or something like that. there must be some reason no one other than Roger ever reaches Raftael other than simply power...I think the whole fate and the Will of D. involvement might be an interesting argument Kairouseki
wow cool find uoftotaku, i always like seeing these little historical and worldwide things oda throws into the manga
another interesting tidbit to this - white, red, yellow and blue admirals are also all types of butterfly that can be found in asia
I actually disagree and think Oda is using Iva's hormone injection as Luffy's way of learning how to fight with Haki. From the Amazon Lily arc, we know Luffy has enourmous Haki potential that if he is able to master would increase his fighting strength tremendously.
I fear this is the direction that OP is going forward. I think the best chapters of OP are behind us. It sort of feels like Dragonball and going into the Saiyan/Namec arcs when the stories got crazier and crazier because of super fighting powers. Less creative storytelling and more superpower fighting BS.
See i think this is ridiculous people are haki afraid because they think it will be like DBZ, i mean yeah he takes some stuff but show me one fight in one piece that even comes remotely similar to any dragon ball fight cause i sure as hell don't remember it, yes haki will become big but it won't take over the series and redefine it, i mean the fights we are seeing now are the top fighters who although use haki there fighting styles are not sol lee or even a little based around it, the fights will always be more devil fruit powers and weird fighting styles we know and love, maybe at the very end like last arc en d will haki take over but judging from this war people use haki mainly to hurt DF users and predict movements maybe defend that's it the fighting styles will surely stay the same
Why Ace chose WB over Roger.. simple, he was kidnapped and developed Stockholm syndrome.
Btw I just realized WB is becoming a second Luffy. First he gets stabbed through and through (like Croc vs Luffy round 1), but he keeps on going, was about to get owned by Aokiji but Jozu stepped in, then he faces Akainu and gets pummeled (second try don't cut it either).. unrealistic powerup coming soon!
i've asked this before, but i didn't get a straight answer…but why hasnt anyone found one piece? ESPECIALLY whitebeard...who was said to be the one closest to one piece...it seems luffy and them made more coverage of the sea than he has when gold roger declared the new age of pirates telling everyone to find one piece....
thats the only thing i do not understand
There are major mysteries in the One Piece world, and getting to Raftel must be one of them. One must not be able to simply just sail, fly, or swim there. A big theory going around is that the ponyglyphs are key to getting there, and unless someone has eatin a fruit to hear the voice of all things, Robin is probably the Key person left in the world in finding the path to Raftel.
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Bah, i'm pretty sure that the people who think that Ace is gonna die are the people who read the manga for a few months and have read 500 chapters in 2 or 3 days on onemanga… They don't know it well
I would think that people who read it in two or three days would have a better handle of the story and how it flows than someone who only read it once a week for a couple of years.
i've asked this before, but i didn't get a straight answer…but why hasnt anyone found one piece? ESPECIALLY whitebeard...who was said to be the one closest to one piece...it seems luffy and them made more coverage of the sea than he has when gold roger declared the new age of pirates telling everyone to find one piece....
thats the only thing i do not understand
Because Shanks and the other two Yonkou made sure that he can't. They are essentially all keeping a check on each other from what I understand. Either that or it could be that Whitebeard doesn't give a crap about the One Piece.
cept most people re-read it all from time to time. I'm pretty sure Ace ain't dying on us. WB on the other hand…
Unrelated to the current conversation but while browsing Wiki I came across a page where the were talking about the rankings of British navy officers and the color of flag that was used to mark their ships in battle. I realized that Oda's Admirals have the same ranking system.
Sengoku –> Fleet Admiral --> Admiral of The White aka Commander
Akainu --> Admiral --> Admiral of the Red aka Most Senior Admiral
Kizaru --> Admiral --> Admiral of The Yellow aka Second Rank Admiral
Aokiji --> Admiral --> Admiral of The Blue aka Youngest Admiral
sorry for the off topic but I hope this ends the constant trolling and flaming that infects this forum about power levels from time to time...
Huh, that's a interesting find, and it does make me wonder if Oda knew about that all this time. Plus, Akainu does seem the most able candidate to be a Fleet Admiral, what with his dedication to Absolute Justice and all.
do we have chapter next week?
thanks :)
Next chapter is on jan 4 so we can expect spoilers around newyear or maybe earlier.
Oh and I have to say.. FUCKING SNOW.. sorry
On page 5 when Garp is looking up on the sky and see cloud, is Oda hinting that Dragon is coming?
To me it looks like it.
On page 5 when Garp is looking up on the sky and see cloud, is Oda hinting that Dragon is coming?
To me it looks like it.
No, he notices Ace is having PMS again
Sure, the whole war thing was just a trap to attract Luffy so that he will be beaten so bad that Dragon would have to come. SenGoku is a f*****g strategist ! 
On page 5 when Garp is looking up on the sky and see cloud, is Oda hinting that Dragon is coming?
To me it looks like it.
LOL wishful thinking…we have been predicting / hoping for Dragon showing up for years now....dont see why he would want to get involved here...unless he has seen Ivankov and decides to help out...but he doesnt seem the type...too badass with his staring out at the wind to care about mundane things like WAR lol
LOL wishful thinking…we have been predicting / hoping for Dragon showing up for years now....dont see why he would want to get involved here...unless he has seen Ivankov and decides to help out...but he doesnt seem the type...too badass with his staring out at the wind to care about mundane things like WAR lol
Ivankov?.. you mean his son perhaps?
On page 5 when Garp is looking up on the sky and see cloud, is Oda hinting that Dragon is coming?
To me it looks like it.
your hope that dragon will come is as hard as steal isn`t it!!
taking every piece of an "could be evidence" is sure the right method to hit the bully eye some day…
As much hormones as Luffy has had injected, he will be asleep for at least a week after this is all over.
Unless of course the next thing Ivankov does is using his ability to restore Kuma's brain which will lead to the latter using his "I'm gonna extract his pain and fatigue" move on Luffy a second time. If that happens I hope that he'll throw what he extracted at Ace. :ninja:
He will be asleep for a whole year, thus giving time for the SH to reagroup in shabaondy (since some of them are really far away) and making the "last adventure of Luffy as a 17" line from chapter 0 become true.
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I half-expect luffy to fall asleep at the end of the war and wake up with all his crew on his ship, so the story can continue.
Unless of course the next thing Ivankov does is using his ability to restore Kuma's brain which will lead to the latter using his "I'm gonna extract his pain and fatigue" move on Luffy a second time. If that happens I hope that he'll throw what he extracted at Ace. :ninja:
I think Kuma is acting like a killer machine because he doesn't want that the Wg knows that he had a story wwith a revolutionary general.
And do you think Magellan will appear in the war??
Kill it with fire!!!
I think Kuma is acting like a killer machine because he doesn't want that the Wg knows that he had a story wwith a revolutionary general.
And do you think Magellan will appear in the war??
That whole Magellan has to be defeated by Luffy and since he didn't it leaves the ID arc still open-ended was stupid.
I find it funny the guy is basically an afterthought now since Oda was so easily able to captivate the readers with this war.
He's most likely getting his ass thrashed by ID prisoners as BB has them all gang up on him. Then they'll head to the war.
man if they do that whole blackout thing . Then we gotta do the where in the world is the remainder of whitebeard pirates and new world , because they are to strong and skilled to get routed by all the marines at once. Hell the marines couldn't event route some supernovas and that is with crazy ass Kizaru kicking their asses through building and zapping mofo's every five second s. So I highly doubt they can seriously kill all the whitebeard alliance in one swoop .
He will be asleep for a whole year, thus giving time for the SH to reagroup in shabaondy (since some of them are really far away) and making the "last adventure of Luffy as a 17" line from chapter 0 become true.
can u link me to where it actually says that
I find this interesting. For all of you people hoping that dragon or shanks, etc is going to swoop in to help the wb pirates against the marines, their is a strong chance that you are wrong. You guys are missing the whole picture… If the marines lose this war, then one piece is basically over. Their is no opposition left in the world except for blackbeard but most of us know that he isn't even that strong right now in the current storyline. The marines have to win/ or tie this war to prove to the rest of the world that pirates can be contained.
I find this interesting. For all of you people hoping that dragon or shanks, etc is going to swoop in to help the wb pirates against the marines, their is a strong chance that you are wrong. You guys are missing the whole picture… If the marines lose this war, then one piece is basically over. Their is no opposition left in the world except for blackbeard but most of us know that he isn't even that strong right now in the current storyline. The marines have to win/ or tie this war to prove to the rest of the world that pirates can be contained.
they'll do that by killing wb
though i still think someone needs to tip the balance so that luffy and co inc ace can escape alive
and shanks or dragon is the best bet
supernova comeing now would be fail look at how luffy turned out in this war though we are about to have part 2 luffy strike back
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Sure, the whole war thing was just a trap to attract Luffy so that he will be beaten so bad that Dragon would have to come. SenGoku is a f*****g strategist !
no whitebeard will turn himself in…in exchange for ace's life :ninja:
Based on Ivankov's smile I'm going to make the utterly retarded prediction that Ivankov injected Luffy with a placebo.
Unless of course the next thing Ivankov does is using his ability to restore Kuma's brain which will lead to the latter using his "I'm gonna extract his pain and fatigue" move on Luffy a second time. If that happens I hope that he'll throw what he extracted at Ace. :ninja:
Could Kuma's powers also extract the effects of old age?
Based on Ivankov's smile I'm going to make the utterly retarded prediction that Ivankov injected Luffy with a placebo.
Retarded, but I like it. I don't see how Luffy is going to get out of this otherwise and survive. I mean, even WITHOUT the fights he's about to pick, his body seems like it's just under too much strain after this round of hormones. Then again, I'm not sure how a placebo would really be different, because the end result would still be Luffy running around like an idiot and ruining his body further.
Based on Ivankov's smile I'm going to make the utterly retarded prediction that Ivankov injected Luffy with a placebo.
lol, funny I thought something along those lines when I saw Iva's face at the end of the chapter, not exactly a placebo, but not what Luffy asked for either.
Placebos don't work with a mind like Luffy's.
If he was able to get up and keep fighting he would have done it without asking for help.
ID28, if you look at past years, the chapter comes around Christmas (early) but then there is a 3 week break.
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@Robo:
Retarded, but I like it. I don't see how Luffy is going to get out of this otherwise and survive. I mean, even WITHOUT the fights he's about to pick, his body seems like it's just under too much strain after this round of hormones. Then again, I'm not sure how a placebo would really be different, because the end result would still be Luffy running around like an idiot and ruining his body further.
Yeah, I'm just pulling at staws.
lol, funny I thought something along those lines when I saw Iva's face at the end of the chapter, not exactly a placebo, but not what Luffy asked for either.
I like! I wonder what Ivankov could've injected?
Placebos don't work with a mind like Luffy's.
If he was able to get up and keep fighting he would have done it without asking for help.
That's too true. If Luffy had the power he would find it on his own with out the mindfuckery of placebos. Like I said, retarded prediction.
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**I really want Iva to inject WB with hormones.
It would probably give us a few minutes of a near prime WB. which would be awesome.**
I also really want Iva to sneak around the battlefield and turn random people to girls.
i kinda like tat idea.. lol.. hot babes vs Marine HQ..
well i always felt tat Ace is Garp's grandson and Luffy is Roger's son.
maybe just maybe.. while being left alone when they were babies Ace and Luffy switch places when Garp isn't looking..
Ace was de only one with the sudden sleeping syndrome..
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well i always felt tat Ace is Garp's grandson and Luffy is Roger's son.
maybe just maybe.. while being left alone when they were babies Ace and Luffy switch places when Garp isn't looking..
Ace was de only one with the sudden sleeping syndrome..
People need to stop with this. There's still a 3 year difference between the two. You can't switch a newborn with a 3 yr old.
i kinda like tat idea.. lol.. hot babes vs Marine HQ..
well i always felt tat Ace is Garp's grandson and Luffy is Roger's son.
maybe just maybe.. while being left alone when they were babies Ace and Luffy switch places when Garp isn't looking..
Ace was de only one with the sudden sleeping syndrome..
Nah, Luffy has that narcolepsy)sp?) thing to. Once in Louge town, just fell asleep on the ground. An even better example was when Garp was beating him up in Water 7.
Placebos don't work with a mind like Luffy's.
If he was able to get up and keep fighting he would have done it without asking for help.
Actually, placebos are more likely to work on him than anyone else. It's been well established in the series that Luffy's simple-mindedness makes him particularly vulnerable to sneaky tricks or suggestion techniques (two key examples being Jango's hypnosis and Goldenweek's color trap).
There are plenty of documented cases where people who are under some sort of placebo effect will do better in some given activity than they did without the placebo effect (despite giving 100% without the placebo). In short, the power of suggestion brings out some potential in people that may not have been accessible otherwise.
Those most likely to resist placebo-related effects are those who have reason to be skeptical of the intended effect of what they're receiving. Obviously Luffy doesn't fall into camp for a multitude of reasons.
Whether or not Ivankov tricked Luffy here remains to be seen - but it's actually a pretty good theory. Given the fearsome reputation that Dragon seems to have in the OP world, it seems like a rather large risk on Ivankov's part to do something that (from his point of view - not knowing about Luffy's plot armor) would almost assuredly kill Dragon's son.
Unless of course the next thing Ivankov does is using his ability to restore Kuma's brain which will lead to the latter using his "I'm gonna extract his pain and fatigue" move on Luffy a second time. If that happens I hope that he'll throw what he extracted at Ace. :ninja:
I think none of you understood yet that this Kuma has no (like in zero, nada, peau de zob) part of the original Kuma, except the DF power ! As I already said, they removed every part of the original Kuma one by one to be able to re-implant his DF into a machine; in the same time, they restored the human Kuma. So what you have now is a complete machine with Kuma's DF; and the "real" human Kuma is now hiding somewhere, having a new life, with no DF anymore (or maybe a new DF). BEST. THEORY. EVER.
Placebos don't work with a mind like Luffy's.
If he was able to get up and keep fighting he would have done it without asking for help.
Then again, in EL Luffy couldn't get back up until Usopp told him to do so.
