I'm definitely one to be confused by perspective easily.
Are there any spreads of large people (like Kuma, Moria, WB) next to actual giants?
Or WB next to Kuma or Moria actually. I just remembered WB taking out that giant. So I have a mental image of the size difference there. For me though, Moria and Kuma still seem a bit larger than WB, but maybe they're the same size.
Chapter 563 "One Man, One Heart" Discussion
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I seriously doubt that Akainu told him. It's a bit too much of information for a single person to take and to believe it actually if he hears all of it at once.
I'm pretty sure it was Akainu. Page 12 (of the Mangashare version), frame 5.
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i doubt it,he says "Dammit, I was friends with Ace".
he is no more.so yes i think that was enough to make him turn around 180So you think that Squardo would've done a 180, stopped fighting and basically abandon his new crew and allies who were willing to give their lives for WB and Ace simply because of his hatred for Roger? No what seemed to have happened was that Squardo was pissed on the inside about the Ace Roger thing but it wasn't enough on it's own to make him betray WB or his new crew and allies who wouldn't have a grudge against Ace and Roger, if he would've stopped fighting there he'd be betraying others than just WB.
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Well he was missing for some time at the beginning of the war when WB called for him and then picked those two other pirates.
Maybe someone on Squardo's crew told him who Ace was after withholding it from him but then he would distrust his own crew so I doubt that.
He couldn't have heard by broadcast, only Government ships would have heard it. There's no way he could have heard Sengoku's voice screaming it. All the NW ships were underwater that's why no one could see them coming.
Someone from the government or the revolution told him after the war started and before Akainu if it wasn't him. Maybe the person who opened the gate of justice for Luffy is Dragon and Dragon told him about Ace being Rogers son.
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So you think that Squardo would've done a 180, stopped fighting and basically abandon his new crew and allies who were willing to give their lives for WB and Ace simply because of his hatred for Roger? No what seemed to have happened was that Squardo was pissed on the inside about the Ace Roger thing but it wasn't enough on it's own to make him betray WB or his new crew and allies who wouldn't have a grudge against Ace and Roger, if he would've stopped fighting there he'd be betraying other than just WB.
Correct. It's one thing to find out that the guy you are going to rescue is the son of the guy you hate must but it's a totally different thing to find out that the person you're following is offering your head to the enemy on a silver plate just to safe himself. It should be obvious why the latter is far more frustrating then the first.
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u have a good point here
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Well he was missing for some time at the beginning of the war when WB called for him and then picked those two other pirates.
Maybe someone on Squardo's crew told him who Ace was after withholding it from him but then he would distrust his own crew so I doubt that.
He couldn't have heard by broadcast, only Government ships would have heard it. There's no way he could have heard Sengoku's voice screaming it. All the NW ships were underwater that's why no one could see them coming.
Someone from the government or the revolution told him after the war started and before Akainu if it wasn't him. Maybe the person who opened the gate of justice for Luffy is Dragon and Dragon told him about Ace being Rogers son.
You must not of read where we showed that the pirates can intercept Marine transmissions. http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=1350652&postcount=229
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a truly touching chapter. WB is such a good guy…. sniff
anyways sucks it's on a break next week but oh well
i wonder what zoro would have been like if he had been at this battle i mean just look at all the swordsmen his eyes probably would have lit up like luffy when he sees something cool
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He couldn't have heard by broadcast, only Government ships would have heard it. There's no way he could have heard Sengoku's voice screaming it. All the NW ships were underwater that's why no one could see them coming.
So wait. We have sky islands, flying ships, objects that can eat fruits, fishpeople and dozens of other fantastic stuff in the One Piece world but intercepting a broadcast underwater is impossible. Okaaay.
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Whitebeard as always been an enormous man. As well as Kuma and Moria.
Behold.
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As you can see, Moria is quite enormous…..!
….with Kuma being about the same size. Seems to me that both of them are about 25-30 ft tall.Now here is Whitebeard in his first appearance.
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If his knee wasn't relaxed, it looks like that would be about Rockstar's height right there. Then, of course, you have the nurses who look like they're about as long as Whitebeard's forearm.
Then, a real giant.
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So Kuma and Moria may be about…..Whitebeard's shoulder or a little bit under, and Whitebeard about.....almost to Dorry's waist, but not quite.
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For me though, Moria and Kuma still seem a bit larger than WB, but maybe they're the same size.
Think you're right actualy, was just checking out the Oars Jr chapter and Kuma was pretty noticable compared to Oars who is four times the size of an average gigant. And then we see Whitebeard look just about the same size but in his case its compared to the vice-admiral gigant who even if he is taller than normal is many times smaller than Oars.
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You must not of read where we showed that the pirates can intercept Marine transmissions. http://apforums.net/showpost.php?p=1350652&postcount=229
That intercepted information is from the government ship Luffy was on not a pirate ship.
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That intercepted information is from the government ship Luffy was on not a pirate ship.
The pirate fleet is communicating with phone snails the entire time during the war. It's obvious that they have their own equipment to communicate in order to organize their formation. And yeah, they most certainly used it organize their formation before they actually appeared at Marineford. They should be able to intercept a worldwide public broadcast that way.
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That intercepted information is from the government ship Luffy was on not a pirate ship.
No Luffy told WB personally who then decided to keep the information to himself (to not cause panic and have them run into a trap), Marco came up to WB to inform him about the information that the pirates intercepted on their own but WB already knew because Luffy told him. This means that Luffy and the prison break guys heard it on the govt. ship and Marco and the pirates intercepted it also independently.
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Either way I think it's more possible Akaiku told Squardo about Ace or one of Squardo's crew told him rather then a government broadcast.
I guess if Squardo's crew told him it may have been an interception or just something they knew already.
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So wait. We have sky islands, flying ships, objects that can eat fruits, fishpeople and dozens of other fantastic stuff in the One Piece world but intercepting a broadcast underwater is impossible. Okaaay.
if they could intercept marines,why they did not attack on the way from impel down to mf?
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Either way I think it's more possible Akaiku told Squardo about Ace or one of Squardo's crew told him rather then a government broadcast..
I can tell you why that's basically impossible, the reason is that Squardo would need to hear information that would plant a seed of distrust towards WB (the Ace Roger revelation) within him first otherwise he'd never even be willing to meet with Akainu. And if Squardo's own crew told him then they would've had to hear it from the intercepted broadcast so Squardo probably would've heard it at the same time since he would be with his crew. And no they wouldn't just know it, it's not common information.
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Either way I think it's more possible Akaiku told Squardo about Ace or one of Squardo's crew told him rather then a government broadcast..
Would somehow ruin the entire point of Sengoku purposely spreading the truth about Ace's father to the entire world in order to trick Squad as it seems to be the case.
As I said before, that is too much information to hear at a single time. If Akainu would have told him even about Ace's true father he might have lost a lot of credibility and the plan could have backfired. Seeing it that Sengoku seems to be a brilliant strategist the "one step at a time" principle seems to be more likely.
if they could intercept marines,why they did not attack on the way from impel down to mf?
Erm, I was talking about intercepting a "worldwide broadcast" with phone/tv/radio snails. What does that have to do with intercepting a fleet of battleships? :wassat:
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if they could intercept marines,why they did not attack on the way from impel down to mf?
Well apparently you can't enter the whirlpool without going through the gates of justice. So they wouldn't have been able too.
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Would somehow ruin the entire point of Sengoku purposely spreading the truth about Ace's father to the entire world in order to trick Squad as it seems to be the case.
As I said before, that is too much information to hear at a single time. If Akainu would have told him even about Ace's true father he might have lost a lot of credibility and the plan could have backfired. Seeing it that Sengoku seems to be a brilliant strategist the "one step at a time" principle seems to be more likely.
Erm, I was talking about intercepting a "worldwide broadcast". What does that have to do with intercepting a fleet of battleships? :wassat:
Not only that but Squardo was shown meeting with Akainu, if he hadn't heard about Ace first he would have no reason to have any distrust in WB nor would he be willing to meet with a marine in order to hear him out even if he said he has information.
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Alright, I don't doubt the plan would be more effective he they give him some information and then hit him with more a little later.
So maybe he did hear it at the same time as Luffy on his own ship. I suppose if Sengoku really wanted him to know he would make sure Squardo would hear it.
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I'm getting some serious 'Crocodile is Whitebeard's real son' vibes from this chapter.
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Erm, I was talking about intercepting a "worldwide broadcast" with phone/tv/radio snails. What does that have to do with intercepting a fleet of battleships? :wassat:
they could intercept that ace was on the way,and attack the small fleet in open sea instead of the headquarters.better strategy is it?or maybe they have no way to intercept marines comunications and could only attack the place where they were sure ace was,as stated in the newspapers -
Not only that but Squardo was shown meeting with Akainu, if he hadn't heard about Ace first he would have no reason to have any distrust in WB nor would he be willing to meet with a marine in order to hear them out even if they say they have information.
If somebody that powerful refrained from frying me i'd probably be a little curious to what he has to say.
Not to mention that Akainu is pretty established as a guy who thinks the goal sanctifies the means. So out of the three he's the most likely to actualy make that kind of deal.
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they could intercept that ace was on the way,and attack the small fleet in open sea instead of the headquarters.better strategy is it?or maybe they have no way to intercept marines comunications and could only attack the place where they were sure ace was,as stated in the newspapers
The marines were prepared for that which is why they had so many battleships at Impel Down to escort Ace, as well as why they were monitoring WB's movements, as for why WB didn't attack Impel Down I can think of a few reasons: Maybe it took time to gather his NW allies, maybe he needed time to go over a battle plan. Or maybe it's because an era changing war with lots of the high tiers makes for a better plot then having WB attack ID which only has Magellan to provide any true security and some fodder Guards. In other words, PLOT.
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they could intercept that ace was on the way,and attack the small fleet in open sea instead of the headquarters.better strategy is it?or maybe they have no way to intercept marines comunications and could only attack the place where they were sure ace was,as stated in the newspapers
I repeat, what does that have to do with my statement about intercepting a worldwide broadcast? Are you just trolling around?:wassat:
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Would somehow ruin the entire point of Sengoku purposely spreading the truth about Ace's father to the entire world in order to trick Squad as it seems to be the case.
As I said before, that is too much information to hear at a single time. If Akainu would have told him even about Ace's true father he might have lost a lot of credibility and the plan could have backfired. Seeing it that Sengoku seems to be a brilliant strategist the "one step at a time" principle seems to be more likely.
Erm, I was talking about intercepting a "worldwide broadcast" with phone/tv/radio snails. What does that have to do with intercepting a fleet of battleships? :wassat:
Very valid point, so you're saying Sengoku told Squardo about Ace's dad? Somehow, I think you're right so I'll withdraw my side of the argument that Akainu told him.
Well done. ^^;
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Very valid point, so you're saying Sengoku told Squardo about Ace's dad? Somehow, I think you're right so I'll withdraw my side of the argument that Akainu told him.
Well done. ^^;
Err, I was refering to the worldwide broadcast actually which was well, Sengoku's doing. As I said, he seems to be as cautious as a chessplayer so a rash move like overloading Squad with too much information at once wouldn't really fit that characteristic. As always, just my personal take on things.^^
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If somebody that powerful refrained from frying me i'd probably be a little curious to what he has to say.
Not to mention that Akainu is pretty established as a guy who thinks the goal sanctifies the means. So out of the three he's the most likely to actualy make that kind of deal.
I'm not sure Squardo even recognized Akainu: http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-563/page012.html He just referred to him as a rebel within the marines, and he had no reason to keep Akainu's identity secret (why would Squardo protect him?) because he himself was ready to die at WB's hands. Plus I think Akainu contacted Squardo somehow with something before meeting with him probably a den den mushi, otherwise why would Squardo be in the residential area of MHQ where we saw Akainu? He had to have been already willing to meet with Akainu in order to go there.
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I'm not sure Squardo even recognized Akainu: http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-563/page012.html He just referred to him as a rebel within the marines, and he had no reason to keep Akainu's identity secret (why would Squardo protect him?) because he himself was ready to die at WB's hands. Plus I think Akainu contacted Squardo somehow with something before meeting with him probably a den den mushi, otherwise why would Squardo be in the residential area of MHQ where we saw Akainu? He had to have been already willing to meet with Akainu in order to go there.
Well Squardo doesn't say Akaiku in the manga but he must of said it, otherwise WB can read minds. xD
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WhiteBeard used hug.
It's super effective!!
The Real Fighters!
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I'm not sure Squardo even recognized Akainu: http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-563/page012.html He just referred to him as a rebel within the marines, and he had no reason to keep Akainu's identity secret (why would Squardo protect him?) because he himself was ready to die at WB's hands. Plus I think Akainu contacted Squardo somehow with something probably a den den mushi, otherwise why would Squardo be in the residential area of MHQ where we saw Akainu? He had to have been already willing to meet with Akainu in order to go there.
But Squad just told Whitebeard that it was Akainu who was it otherwise Whitebeard wouldn't have mentioned his name. Let's not forget that a flashback panel replaces the actual dialogue so Akainu's name was obviously mentioned there.
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I figured that WB guessed Akainu because he's the type of bastard to pull something like that. Meh I guess he knew but I still disagree with Wolfwood's comment as the reason for Squardo hearing Akainu out.
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Well, maybe reading minds isn't so far off since it is in the form of a question. Squardo may have just shrugged to confirm or just didn't know.
I find it hard to believe he wouldn't know who Akaiku was but it's true I doubt he'd just say rebel if he did.
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i bet the three admirals will attack shirohige at once
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Yeh beacause Oda would draw Akainu and then later reavel he just did that to fool his readers
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that would be a really weird twist…. that would be sad actually
son your my actual son but your on equal standings with 1,600 other men... oh and all my allies and i have a lot of allies
I posted a theory in some other thread that WB and his son parted ways because his son (not necessarily Croc) became an 'evil pirate' instead of being like his father, and that WB's many sons were a kind of compensation, kinda to show himself "I can be a good father and bring my sons on the right path, I'm not a failure as a parent!"
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wait so akainu told squardo about the supposed plan here at marineford during the war right? that's why we saw akainu far away from the war where he could probably speak to squardo without anybody around to hear them. that is why squardo wasn't around when whitebeard needed him. for a while i thought squardo had met akainu before the war but i guess not.
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I posted a theory in some other thread that WB and his son parted ways because his son (not necessarily Croc) became an 'evil pirate' instead of being like his father, and that WB's many sons were a kind of compensation, kinda to show himself "I can be a good father and bring my sons on the right path, I'm not a failure as a parent!"
Though, that would make WB's character pretty sad…Hmm evil pirate..Sounds like Croc to me
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The good scanlation is out over at Manga Share. It's allot cleaner and worded out better.
Aokiji showed a nice burst of speed there! Wish one of Buggy's hands got free to hlep him escape later, or cause some kind of hilariousness.
Glad somebody else noticed. What kind of ability is Oda hinting at the lets an ice man dash with super speed. Did it before freezing the waves too.
Where the hell was Kizaru this chapter? Wasn't he about to get attacked by WB's commanders together? Everybody completely pause except the Pacifista when WB was stabbed?
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Oda, please prolong WB's life!!! Or please preserve until the series ends! WB's too fucking awesome to die! Please make a plot that doesnt require WB's death. im sure a great mangaka like you can do it! dont kill WB!:sad:
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I posted a theory in some other thread that WB and his son parted ways because his son (not necessarily Croc) became an 'evil pirate' instead of being like his father, and that WB's many sons were a kind of compensation, kinda to show himself "I can be a good father and bring my sons on the right path, I'm not a failure as a parent!"
Though, that would make WB's character pretty sad…I would love that, actually, because I'm a sucker for psychological shit like that. If it were Croc, it would fit in with that even more, plus explain why they have the same kind of eyes.
That said, I doubt that'll be the case… Still'd be cool, though.
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Hey Buggy, I heard something happened. You wanna talk about it?
Buggy: No, and you know why? I WAS FROZEN TODAY!
Me: … leaves in an awkward silence
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Glad somebody else noticed. What kind of ability is Oda hinting at the lets an ice man dash with super speed. Did it before freezing the waves too.
I was wondering about that as well it has happened twice so Oda is foreshadowing here. I looked around and all i could find is that there are types of glaciers called surge-type glaciers that basically store up water pressure then explode at high velocity speeds allowing them to move at around 10 times the normal rate…it is a bit of a long shot but maybe that is what this ability is based on.
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I was wondering about that as well it has happened twice so Oda is foreshadowing here. I looked around and all i could find is that there are types of glaciers called surge-type glaciers that basically store up water pressure then explode at high velocity speeds allowing them to move at around 10 times the normal rate…it is a bit of a long shot but maybe that is what this ability is based on.
Maybe it's just the kind of movement that Rob Lucci and other CP9ers use, I mean he is an admiral afterall. I don't see why it's anything so unusual.
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Moria's reaction 2 WB gettingg stabbed looked like a boy jus lost his virginity
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Glad somebody else noticed. What kind of ability is Oda hinting at the lets an ice man dash with super speed. Did it before freezing the waves too.
I'm getting a crazy genius-level synapse fire… I made the connection!
YES!
You know there's this thing going around, kind of a big deal... it's called Soru.
/end e-sarcasm
Seriously though, Aokiji should be able to travel insanely fast by freezing the air moisture. Logias can essentially become their element so by freezing water molecules really fast he could essentially travel extremely quickly. This is what happenned when he froze Luffy, that he simply appeared beside him. It's a technique all Logias should be able to do, travelling through their element real quick. Kinda like Smoker's new Smoke Launcher move.
This same Logic should allow Akainu to instantly pop out from different locations in the surface of a pool of Lava. It's pretty haxorz, but they seem to be able to do it.
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I was wondering about that as well it has happened twice so Oda is foreshadowing here. I looked around and all i could find is that there are types of glaciers called surge-type glaciers that basically store up water pressure then explode at high velocity speeds allowing them to move at around 10 times the normal rate…it is a bit of a long shot but maybe that is what this ability is based on.
Sounds possible or it could just be a skill learned something like Shunpo or however you spell that. :/
Edit that's the skill Soru. :D
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