…and his eyes existed long before the Rinnegans.
i doubt Oda even reads scrap material like that.
Chapter 560 "The Prisoners of Impel Down" Discussion
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This chapter was pretty cool. So Kuma is no longer "human" but all machine. Interesting but I'm sure we all saw it coming from last chapter. Croc and Mr.1 show their stuff, and Luffy has the "keys" to save Ace. Sure as hell ain't going to easy with the Admirals around.
Sucks there's a break next week.
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Maybe Mihawk also has the power to make everyone come back to life after they 'die' in this war, after which they'll all realize how horrible and pointless war is and become friends.
One Piece chapter 6xx, somewhere in the New World:
Blackbeard: Shanks never told you what happened to your father.
Usopp: He told me enough! He told me you killed him.
Blackbeard: No. I am your father.
Usopp: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
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Sucks there's a break next week.
Crap, I forgot about that. Oh well, I think Berserk has another chapter next week so that'll hold me over. Now if HXH was going too then we'd be in business.
@Usopp:
Maybe Mihawk also has the power to make everyone come back to life after they 'die' in this war, after which they'll all realize how horrible and pointless war is and become friends.
Now, now. This isn't Naruto.
And José el Diamante shows us his stuff again, hitting Croc like that.
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@Kairouseki:
And José el Diamante shows us his stuff again, hitting Croc like that.
you mean that puppeteered mexican?
i think he's more going for smashing himself than smashing others… with this kinda strenght his diamonds will vaporize.
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Well, Hancock is only safe if those what the marines thought to witness will be taken into account and not smokers words [..] BUT having the key was kind of surprising! Wonder if a explanation follows.
Uhm, and Kuma being a dead moving corpse .. He might have had his reasons - maybe protecting someone dear to him?!
AND I just couldn't get this image out of my head :ninja:!
Anyways Mihawk, wasn't that surprising. He is the "last" obstacle in the line. So, I don't see any problem for Luffy to fight him?!
It isn't his only purpose in this manga to be there for Zorro. For now it looks like he's going to test the so called "new era" personally. Though he seems to be in a conflict with himself .. having to serve the government and (kind of) "betraying" his friend (Shanks) at the same time [..]Break again, is so harsh >.
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If you look at Joz face it seems to me he's in despair that Dofla is controlling him. I thought he was controlling him even before he hit Croc but since he said his attack I think he was in control then.
The Kuma thing doesn't intrigue me as much. I've seen that man and machine story line done. Kuma is still a cyborg btw not all machine. Dofla implied he no longer has his memories not they took out his brain and put in a computer chip.
If Vegapunk is that type of scientist I'm sure he just put some mechanical things in his head to prevent his consciousness from surfacing and Kuma happens to be fighting a guy that fucks with your body.
Oh Hancock is definitely done with the shichibukai now. She made the same response to Smoker that she did to Momonga. I'm pretty sure there gonna call her bluff now. I get the feeling Momonga would've if she didn't show up.
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Jozu having Haki is weird. I said in the spoiler thread that this made Ace look like shit for a 2nd commander. Guess its for his potential to become a logia Haki user in the future, but right now Joz seems a tougher opponent for most top fighters.
Whats really odd about Joz also knowing Haki are Teach's old words about Ace not being hit in a while. We know of two people who beat his ass and with Joz, Marco, and likely Thatch that makes 5 people who can touch Ace just in this close knit group. Why did Teach put so much emphasis on overconfident DF users when his old bosses clearly aren't that type? Then Oda had Auger make further comments about Ace being impressive even with his powers negated.
Seems the important part of that fight were Ace's powers being absorbed, not Teach hitting him. Yet Oda didn't make that the focus….or atleast not a good job of it.
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wonder if kuma can regain his consciousness if he uses his DF to bounce out whatever is taking over his mind. well that is if his brain is still in his body. would be cool if kumas brain is in some laboratory with vegapunk and its controlling its body from there. wonder if kuma can now control all the px machines at will and fight together as one entity. would really make him a force to be reckoned with. maybe that is the final stage of the pacifistas. to have them all connected together and working together to defeat powerful pirates. i doubt even somebody like whitebeard could defeat kuma and 10 pacifistas working together.
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Anyone else find it weird that a guy who can pull iceburgs out of frozen bays and coat himself in diamond would do as much damage to Croc as a 17 year old rubber kid who only just entered the Grand Line? So either
a) Jozu sucks at punching
b) Luffy's punches have always been at WB commander-level
c) Jozu is holding back for no good reason at all
d) Croc built some impressive pecs and abs while in prison -
Its obvious that Croc gained some endurace during his time in the blood bath.
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Whats really odd about Joz also knowing Haki are Teach's old words about Ace not being hit in a while. We know of two people who beat his ass and with Joz, Marco, and likely Thatch that makes 5 people who can touch Ace just in this close knit group. Why did Teach put so much emphasis on overconfident DF users when his old bosses clearly aren't that type? Then Oda had Auger make further comments about Ace being impressive even with his powers negated.
Seems the important part of that fight were Ace's powers being absorbed, not Teach hitting him. Yet Oda didn't make that the focus….or atleast not a good job of it.
counting jimbei, it's 6 people then; i'm not sure whether joz used haki or not (he may also either already know croc's weakness or figured it out looking at luffy) but even if he could use haki, it would more likely be margaret/kuja fodder's type , that is the capacity to increase his attack power and (?) to negate the df resistances
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counting jimbei, it's 6 people then; i'm not sure whether joz used haki or not (he may also either already know croc's weakness or figured it out looking at luffy) but even if he could use haki, it would more likely be margaret/kuja fodder's type , that is the capacity to increase his attack power and (?) to negate the df resistances
Oda would've made it a point to show that Joz drenched his diamond fist in water or some liquid while hitting Croc.
I've tried to ignore it but it's kinda clear he's using haki. If not that it doesn't make sense.
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@Usopp:
Anyone else find it weird that a guy who can pull iceburgs out of frozen bays and coat himself in diamond would do as much damage to Croc as a 17 year old rubber kid who only just entered the Grand Line? So either
a) Jozu sucks at punching
b) Luffy's punches have always been at WB commander-level
c) Jozu is holding back for no good reason at all
d) Croc built some impressive pecs and abs while in prisonThink its a combination of D(as well as fan service) and maybe(hopefully) Don was holding Joz back before the first punch diminishing the damage. Joz punches should be Jet or even Giganto pistol, certainly Jinbei's, level. Croc was gushing more blood from Luffy's attacks back in the day. None of old Luffy's attacks should compare current power-houses abilities.
I think its remarkably unfair Croc gets such a huge increase in power just from being in ID. I mean he completely contorts Mino-zerbras body, deflects cannonballs with is Tornado, instantly makes a huge tornado to take down a bunch of WB pirates, and now takes a near top-tier punch. His tornados only tossed about fodder before.
counting jimbei, it's 6 people then; i'm not sure whether joz used haki or not (he may also either already know croc's weakness or figured it out looking at luffy) but even if he could use haki, it would more likely be margaret/kuja fodder's type , that is the capacity to increase his attack power and (?) to negate the df resistances
I was counting Jinbei, wasn't counting Teach. Wouldn't be suprised people like Doma could hit Ac either. There was no indication he was wet at all. I would think its just Sentoumaru's&Marigold's defensive Haki or Croc definitely shouldn't be conscious now. But what Haki he has isn't my point.
Its why did Teach want the darkness fruit so bad? Don't see why he wouldn't have Haki if his bosses do. If its just to negate attacks like projectiles or destroy Doppleman it doesn't seem that impressive anymore. It would if it could protect him from Magellan's poison or become immune to Hawkins or Perona's powers it would still be but clearly doesn't do the former.
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@Zik:
Oda would've made it a point to show that Joz drenched his diamond fist in water or some liquid while hitting Croc.
I've tried to ignore it but it's kinda clear he's using haki. If not that it doesn't make sense.
well to people like me who already accepted haki was gonna become important and more common its cool to see him using haki to black a logia type and make him bleed
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@Usopp:
Anyone else find it weird that a guy who can pull iceburgs out of frozen bays and coat himself in diamond would do as much damage to Croc as a 17 year old rubber kid who only just entered the Grand Line? So either
a) Jozu sucks at punching
b) Luffy's punches have always been at WB commander-level
c) Jozu is holding back for no good reason at all
d) Croc built some impressive pecs and abs while in prisonIts obvious that Croc gained some endurace during his time in the blood bath.
Blackbeard group said that most logia users are not used to getting hit (which is why Ace's endurance was commented to be impressive). Croc might have had all the "training" needed in impel down.
However, I think it's just a timely "ukemi" from Croc side, which lessens the damage (I don't know what's the proper english for "ukemi").
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Ivankov is ruining Kuma, and that's without the help of his df.
Why is this Kuma standing their and taking hits?? He normally teleports or use his paws to deflect any attack. This Kuma seems like a brainless killing machine.
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^Reread what Doflamingo said about Kuma (PX-0).
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I don't think we necessarily have to regard it as a total power increase for Croc–sure, we only ever really saw his tornadoes toss around fodder before, but maybe they could always reach that level. I'm not going to speculate on why he can take a Jozu punch, since just about every possibility has been discussed. I don't regard him as the toughest guy on the field, but maybe the simplest explanation will suffice--Jozu's punch just isn't more than Croc can handle.
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@Steven:
I don't think we necessarily have to regard it as a total power increase for Croc–sure, we only ever really saw his tornadoes toss around fodder before, but maybe they could always reach that level. I'm not going to speculate on why he can take a Jozu punch, since just about every possibility has been discussed. I don't regard him as the toughest guy on the field, but maybe the simplest explanation will suffice--Jozu's punch just isn't more than Croc can handle.
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One Piece chapter 6xx, somewhere in the New World:
Blackbeard: Shanks never told you what happened to your father.
Usopp: He told me enough! He told me you killed him.
Blackbeard: No. I am your father.
Usopp: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
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But we've seen Croc be injured by far less. If he can take a Joz punch he should be able to laugh off a base Luffy or fully powered Franky punch back then and certainly now. Its like he has greater than Lucci level toughness now which is a ridiculous power-up or major contradiction if he was defeated by a kid weakened by poison with stamina like that in Alabasta. Also makes Auger comments on Ace's endurance carry less weight than it originally did for readers. Back then we though it was impressive seeing how relatively defenseless Enel&Croc became once they lost their Logia invulnerability.
After taking that punch it essentially means Luffy couldn't defeat him now even with Haki upgrade or at the least Croc would give him an even more difficult fight than before despite the power increase from our hero. So again here is hoping Don was holding Joz back before the first punch and only got him completely in control when he got on his back.
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@$abZ:
A lot happened in this chapter. Jozu vs Donflamingo & Crocodile… that'll be a fight. I can't believe how strong Jozu is. He's been nothing but a powerhouse in this war. Blocks Mihawk's strongest slash, picks up a motherfucker of an iceberg and launches it at EVERYONE, and now needs two Shichibukai to deal with him.
I like the way Luffy is running past all the fights one by one. Who'll save him from Mihawk? My guess is Marco. Then Luffy will run into either the Admirals (one or the other, if they aren't busy with this plan) or Garp.
Oda is using every character to their potential. Just genius.
That wasn't mihawk strongest attack.
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well to people like me who already accepted haki was gonna become important and more common its cool to see him using haki to black a logia type and make him bleed
I've never doubted that. Just the stupid speculations that eall NW pirates know haki and it's basically gonna be a fight of haki vs. DFs where haki + DFs own all.
Plus Oda did kinda make it seem that it was rare. Never occurred to me that Joz would be that(haki) important.
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@Usopp:
hello family member
f-father? Is that you?
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Another question is why wasn't Croc surprised Joz hit him? He was surprised Teach hurt Luffy? If Croc knew Joz knew Haki it wouldn't be a crazy rationlation a former WB pirate who defeated Fire Fist Ace may also know it.
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Another question is why wasn't Croc surprised Joz hit him? He was surprised Teach hurt Luffy? If Croc knew Joz knew Haki it wouldn't be a crazy rationlation a former WB pirate who defeated Fire Fist Ace may also know it.
I don't think Croc ever got the news that BB was his replacement and that BB was a former WB pirate.
So as far as why he wasn't surprised at what Joz did I'm pretty sure he faced the crew before. Why he didn't see BB then? BB probably was hiding, laying low as he usually does. Seems to me Jimbei knew much about BB either and he most likely has been around that crew more often.
Croc probably knows of haki
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Common sense indicates it wasn't his strongest attack as all he did was basically unsheathe and slice the air. All his strength from a single arm was likely behind it, but it can't and isn't all hes got.
You don't show a persons strongest attack in the first move. A swordsman strongest attack will always involve both arms(when using a two-hander) and physical contact too.
I don't think Croc ever got the news that BB was his replacement and that BB was a former WB pirate.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/544/08/
Yeah he did so my point stands. Even if he's unknown he should still be strong taking out Ace and obtaining a Shichibukai seat. Thus having haki is a logical rationalization for Croc to make, yet he showed surprise then but not now. Could simply be after seeing Teach power he now assumes WB pirates can take him but like you said he should have faced him or at least WB before.
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http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/544/08/
I don't know if he knew it was BB, though.
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@$abZ:
Mihawk clearly said, before he attacked, that he wanted to measure the difference between him and Whitebeard. To do that, he'd have to go all out on that slash.
He did say he would measure the diffrence between himself and whitebeard, he never said it was his strongest attack, People just assumed that.
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@Usopp:
hello family member
and…
am I the only one who wants this arc ends quickly and let's start fishman island?…I'm just feel tired with this war...
yes you are.
He did say he would measure the diffrence between himself and whitebeard,
well, you also need to show some serious stuff to mesure the difference between you and "the strongest".
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Good Chapter. I really like how Doflamingo keeps his cool despite people screaming at him (Ivankov wasn't the first one; He didn't get overly angry or anything when Disco yelled at him, either). A villain who doesn't flip out when people yell at him is kind of nice. Looking forward to Luffy's future interactions with him.
I'm pretty sure Mihawk knows how Shanks feels about Luffy, and he probably knows Luffy has vastly improved since their first encounter. I doubt there will be any serious fighting; rather, it'll simply consist of Mihawk "testing" Luffy.
And Croc and Doflamingo won't be able to do much against Jose, unfortunately. Diamond can only be cut by another diamond and pressure's not gonna break it either. Unless somehow they can combine their powers to form a giant hammer, they're hosed.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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@Zik:
I've never doubted that. Just the stupid speculations that eall NW pirates know haki and it's basically gonna be a fight of haki vs. DFs where haki + DFs own all.
Plus Oda did kinda make it seem that it was rare. Never occurred to me that Joz would be that(haki) important.
ANYONE WHO thinks haki plus df means complete ownage is just being silly
with seen df users defeated by humans both without haki
so why wouldn't df users with haki be defeated by people with haki
its the same idea as before just that humans can transcend the barrier which stopped them beating some logia and a few paracumia type dfs
too me haki is a balancer and will not make the df users with haki untouchble
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Jaws might not have a diamond fruit but a carbon fruit. Now I'm not a chemistry master of any kind but maybe carbon has some effect on Croc's fruit.
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Another question is why wasn't Croc surprised Joz hit him? He was surprised Teach hurt Luffy? If Croc knew Joz knew Haki it wouldn't be a crazy rationlation a former WB pirate who defeated Fire Fist Ace may also know it.
If Croc was surprised, it's not because Teach's punch hurt Luffy, but because the ground hurt Luffy…
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I don't know what Oda has planned for Croc, but I can't see Doflamingo losing or getting taken out this early on without a really good explanation, which makes me think that his little tag-team with Croc will find a way to handle Jozu. Right now, I'm getting the vibe that a lot of these skirmishes will go unfinished (as they sort of have), with either BB or Sengoku's plan shocking a bunch of people mid-battle.
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@Fire Fist:
Good Chapter. I really like how Doflamingo keeps his cool despite people screaming at him (Ivankov wasn't the first one; He didn't get overly angry or anything when Disco yelled at him, either). A villain who doesn't flip out when people yell at him is kind of nice. Looking forward to Luffy's future interactions with him.
I'm pretty sure Mihawk knows how Shanks feels about Luffy, and he probably knows Luffy has vastly improved since their first encounter. I doubt there will be any serious fighting; rather, it'll simply consist of Mihawk "testing" Luffy.
And Croc and Doflamingo won't be able to do much against Jose, unfortunately. Diamond can only be cut by another diamond and pressure's not gonna break it either. Unless somehow they can combine their powers to form a giant hammer, they're hosed.
Giant hammer? They should try to toss him into the sea. Or heat him to about 763 degrees celcius.
One Piece chapter 6xx, somewhere in the New World:
Blackbeard: Shanks never told you what happened to your father.
Usopp: He told me enough! He told me you killed him.
Blackbeard: No. I am your father.
Usopp: noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
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@Usopp:
Giant hammer? They should try to toss him into the sea. Or heat him to about 763 degrees celcius.
Well with Do and Croc's impending "hook-up" they should have no problem heating things up. At least for the fangirls.
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Giant hammer? They should try to toss him into the sea. Or heat him to about 763 degrees celcius.
Or just have Joz punch so hard that he shatters.
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@Fire Fist:
Good Chapter. I really like how Doflamingo keeps his cool despite people screaming at him (Ivankov wasn't the first one; He didn't get overly angry or anything when Disco yelled at him, either). A villain who doesn't flip out when people yell at him is kind of nice. Looking forward to Luffy's future interactions with him.
I'm pretty sure Mihawk knows how Shanks feels about Luffy, and he probably knows Luffy has vastly improved since their first encounter. I doubt there will be any serious fighting; rather, it'll simply consist of Mihawk "testing" Luffy.
And Croc and Doflamingo won't be able to do much against Jose, unfortunately. Diamond can only be cut by another diamond and pressure's not gonna break it either. Unless somehow they can combine their powers to form a giant hammer, they're hosed.
yeah shows how calm dofla is ..
he dont shows any emotions cause i dont think that he believe that any1 is in his class and so he doesn`t bother what others are talking..
he has his opinion and knows about his strenght..
and so far he was in both extremly superior.and about jozu..
there is always a way to defeat a DF-user…how many times we thought how could luffy actually beat this one or that one..but there was always a way to defeat the guy..
and dofla looks so sure and without any fear to go against jozu...
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But we've seen Croc be injured by far less. If he can take a Joz punch he should be able to laugh off a base Luffy or fully powered Franky punch back then and certainly now. Its like he has greater than Lucci level toughness now which is a ridiculous power-up or major contradiction if he was defeated by a kid weakened by poison with stamina like that in Alabasta. Also makes Auger comments on Ace's endurance carry less weight than it originally did for readers. Back then we though it was impressive seeing how relatively defenseless Enel&Croc became once they lost their Logia invulnerability.
After taking that punch it essentially means Luffy couldn't defeat him now even with Haki upgrade or at the least Croc would give him an even more difficult fight than before despite the power increase from our hero. So again here is hoping Don was holding Joz back before the first punch and only got him completely in control when he got on his back.
Crocodile > Luffy in strength
Luffy > Crocodile in WillCrocodile underestimated Luffy (Which is normal) and Luffy surpassed his own human limits using his will and gave ten thousand punches per second at one guy, making him trespass 20 meters of pure bedrock.
Jozu gave one single punch to Crocodile.
I don't see any problem here.
Also, Crocodile was always able to use the powers he used at the war (at least the ones showed until now), he just didn't use them against Luffy either because of Underestimation or because the place where he was nullified that power
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Or just have Joz punch so hard that he shatters.
One punch against PX-0 would do… at least for an arm.
I would recommend Doflamingo a good punch to his own head though... but who knows, maybe Jose is a logia.…… ... ... ... ... ... ... ...it's the mucus that bites us! 
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… but who knows, maybe Jose is a logia.
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhm….nope...sure not
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@$abZ:
Mihawk clearly said, before he attacked, that he wanted to measure the difference between him and Whitebeard. To do that, he'd have to go all out on that slash.
He did not name the attack. every major attack has a name from the start of the manga and Mihawk doesn't. Yea right.
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He did not name the attack. every major attack has a name from the start of the manga and Mihawk doesn't. Yea right.
exactly
its the 1 basic rule of all manga which usually have named attacks
Your ultimate attack will always have a name
if it had no name then its fodder
Zoro cutting a man down or a cannon ball in half without naming the attack means that its over 100billion times weaker than his named attacks (extreme but i hope you get the point peoples)
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i don't see moria getting up from that punch this chapter
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@Lordzeb121:
i don't see moria getting up from that punch this chapter
jembei named the attack
i think you already know deep inside your heart what happened to moria
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so when someone uses Rasengan to finish off the guy who killed his teachers, then it's really really badass?
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Wow, It seems that people are now upset that Croc can take one of Jozu
s punchs. Croc was a Sichibukai. Whiners: But he was beaten by Luffy, a fucking rockie pirate!!! And I say, WTF. Luffy has ALWAYS been superstrong, reread his fights, he beat people like Kuro with 2 hits (2 hits!), and he has always been phisicaly stronger than his oponents. The very first time someone outmatched Luffy y in a CQC fight (DF aside) was against Lucci, and with the gears he was at his level. Jozu can throw huge Icebergs. OK. Luffy can tear apart buildings, oneshot giants and (With little help) destroy tsunamis. Do not understimate his strength beacuse he is a rockie pirate either, that only means that he is a new guy. Whiners: But Luffy didn´t had gear 2 back then, right now he would kick Croc´s ass!!! Emmm…No. First, Croc will be a hard oponent ever until Luffy master teh hitting Logia technique. And gear 2 doesnt mean anything,if you reread Croc vs Luffy 3rd match, you will see that he really did quite well avoiding Luffy`s hits (Until the end), and he can take some hits, remember he was taken down only because of the storm (That was quite a beating) .But he understimated him (If not, why not creating a freaking sandstorm in the tombs?? Now he has proved us that he can create them without sand near) and well, Luffy is the main character.
And even if he doesn´t appear in this chapter, the same goes for Moria. I lol hard at all the people thinking he is going down fast.
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