what people like gold ace like to do is read the manga
then re edit the manga in their minds and in their dreamsso then after awhile they believe what they say
Takes one to know one right?
what people like gold ace like to do is read the manga
then re edit the manga in their minds and in their dreamsso then after awhile they believe what they say
Takes one to know one right?
Takes one to know one right?
so true
i once woke up and thought luffy was fight jebei (he was double the size) and zoro fight kuma in a night club like disco night clumb they all entered the club one at a time after being seperated then into the cinema then into the night club where Lufy had jembei and Zoro took on kuma
it took me a min but i realise that hadn't happened
i was going to post about how it was such a great chapter cause for some reason i thought that was the latest chapter
You're actually both wrong. The Admirals were introduced as the Marine's strongest fighting force.
na i'm not wrong.
Oda would like a word with you.
From volume six chapter 50
世界**最強**の剣士
鷹の目のミホークsekai saikyou no kenshi
taka no me no MihookuThe worlds STRONGEST swordsman
Hawkeyes Mihawk.Straight from his impartial NARRATION BOX. It is a fact. Deal with it.
I seriously wonder if people are even reading this series…
I doubt that the entirety of the forum is even reading the series…With understanding..a simple comic.
HUUUUHHH> all of you are wrong look here please http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter319.txt
And btw Almostlegendary, you are wrong cause it says that all 3 of them are the most powerful people in Government, not just aokiji. Not just the marines the govt too. BUT, I understand because scanlations are sometimes a bitch.
na i'm not wrong.
Check this out:
! > I still see some people calling Aokiji as the strongest person of the marines, and citing a person named stephen as their source for this since, apparently, he is the best One Piece translator. The truth is that there is nothing wrong with stephens translation. However, Aokiji is still not the strongest person in the marines. How can this be? Let me show you it. In a way that you can understand even if you don't speak Japanese at all.
The referenced page is chapter 303, page 19:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/303/19/the raw Japanese text is here:
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u…iece32_169.jpgStephens translation is as follows:
Quote:
Gorousei: …him again?
Well, it's probably only reconnaissance.
Honestly, what does he consider his own position to be...?
He can't just act on the spot like that.
The Marine Headquarters' Strongest,
"Admiral" Aokiji...
http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter303.txtThere is nothing wrong with this translation.
But right now I want to direct your attention to another chapter:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/319/04/Japanese raw here:
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u…iece34_052.jpgStephens translation:
Quote:
He's one of the three men… called the "Greatest Powers" of the World Governments!!!
http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter319.txtThere is nothing wrong with this translation either. However, when you look at both pages at the same time, things get a lot more interesting:
look for red markings!:
The first picture contains these kanji:
海軍 = navy
本部 = headquarters
最高 = the highest
戦力 = war potential
That can be interpretated as "the strongest man of the marine hq".The second picture contains these kanji:
世界 = world
政府 = government
(の is not a kanji, and it denotes possessiveness; government**'s**)
最高 = the highest
戦力 = war potential
That can be interpretated as "the WG's greatest powers".However, looking at it in its purest form, Aokiji is the highest war potential of the Marine HQ, and all three admirals are the highest war potential of the WG. The exact same wording was used in both chapters but it came out as two different things in English. Aokiji indeed was described as the strongest, but he is not the only "strongest". He is just 1 of 3.
So unless you want to think that Akainu and Kizaru come from a different branch of the WG's power than the marines, then this thread should be enough for you to concede that there is so far nothing that says Aokiji is stronger than Akainu or Kizaru. He might be the strongest admiral, but he might also be the weakest.
Update: in chapter 507 there is another reference of Kizaru (not Aokiji) being the strongest marine (literally marine's highest war potential). Link to full explanation is here. This adds further proof that Aokiji is not the strongest marine, but only one of the three strongest marines.
You can always keep your stupid misconception, though.
Hey, hey, slow down dude. One Piece anime may be shitty at times, but it's not garbage at all. Seriously, the anime has been running for ten years already. What are you actually expecting every week? Over-the-top animation?
No I don't.
"Shitty but not garbage"
lol
i hope they make a data book when the war ends and tell us the names and powers of the vice admiral, the 14 WB division captains, and the new world captains
@GolD.:
Mihawk isn't the strongest swordsman, he's the greatest. We hav no clue who the strongest is. Though Mihawk does hav the strongest sword and the strongest slash.
Greatest Swordsman= The most skilled and talented sword weilder.
Strongest Swordsman= The strongest guy that can use a sword.If WhiteBeard were 2pick up a sword instead of his staff he would then B the strongest swordsman.
=D
You are obviously too stupid to understand that the words greatest and strongest are basically interchangable. No one is talking about how much they lift.
If I had only read those how would I know who Mihawk even was?
He was in those chapters.
And Y would Ace B my fav char?
Because you like a damsel in distress?
If only ppl started 2comprehend what they read instead of just saying random B.S. Then mayB their would B less ppl like U.
No. There would actually be less people like you.
WB will win, of course. U obviously forget WB's goal. He simply wants 2save Ace. Once they hav rescued Ace they will most likely just retreat.
=D
Sort of like Ace's goal to kill Blackbeard for betraying Whitebeard. Can you tell me who won that battle, the good guy or the bad guy?
You are obviously too stupid to understand that the words greatest and strongest are basically interchangable. No one is talking about how much they lift.
But that is what strength is. Their own physical power. It has nothing 2do with their might or skill.
He was in those chapters.
But he didn't do anything and his name isn't stated until later on.
Because you like a damsel in distress?
LOL. Not really. I've always liked Ace but he was never my fav until I discoverd who his dad was.
No. There would actually be less people like you.
I'd beg 2differ.
Sort of like Ace's goal to kill Blackbeard for betraying Whitebeard. Can you tell me who won that battle, the good guy or the bad guy?
Well…That depends on whose really the bad guy. BlackBeards not a bad person at all. And I've always liked him. After all...he did beat Ace.
=D
BTW...I hav yet 2find any source saying Mihawk is the Strongest Swordsman. I hav yet 2find a raw manga so if U hav the link for one feel free 2leave it. So far what I do hav R these:
http://www.mangavolume.com/index.php?serie=one-piece&chapter=one-piece-50&page_nr=11
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/50/11/
so true
i once woke up and thought luffy was fight jebei (he was double the size) and zoro fight kuma in a night club like disco night clumb they all entered the club one at a time after being seperated then into the cinema then into the night club where Lufy had jembei and Zoro took on kuma
it took me a min but i realise that hadn't happened
i was going to post about how it was such a great chapter cause for some reason i thought that was the latest chapter
This was pure gold.
This was pure gold.
worse thing was the disappointment i felt when i realise it wasn't true :sad:
luckily there was a good chapter that week
not sure maybe it was the week we found out ace dad was gold rodger
@GolD.:
BTW…I hav yet 2find any source saying Mihawk is the Strongest Swordsman. I hav yet 2find a raw manga so if U hav the link for one feel free 2leave it. So far what I do hav R these:
http://www.mangavolume.com/index.php?serie=one-piece&chapter=one-piece-50&page_nr=11
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/50/11/
=D
How about you look at the thread you are posting on for your Strongest Swordmans debate (mrkaizoku). It really doesn't matter. Know one cares if he is the strongest idiot. You corrected someone saything "hey he isnt da strongest!!11!" when they clearly meant Greatest and just used a similar word because they mean the same goddamn thing.
LOL. Not really. I've always liked Ace but he was never my fav until I discoverd who his dad was.
So Ace being your favorite character is based off who he is related to and not what he has actually done.
I'd beg 2differ.
Begging will not make your dreams come true.
Well…That depends on whose really the bad guy. BlackBeards not a bad person at all. And I've always liked him. After all...he did beat Ace.
=D
You're debating who was the pro and antagonist in the battle between Ace and Blackbeard.
"If only ppl started 2comprehend what they read instead of just saying random B.S. Then mayB their would B less ppl like U." - GolD. Ace
You guys are fucking stupid. GolD. Ace is damned troll.
You guys are fucking stupid. GolD. Ace is damned troll.
I'm not sure. Even trolls have limits to their stupidity.
@GolD.:
BTW…I hav yet 2find any source saying Mihawk is the Strongest Swordsman. I hav yet 2find a raw manga so if U hav the link for one feel free 2leave it. So far what I do hav R these:
http://www.mangavolume.com/index.php?serie=one-piece&chapter=one-piece-50&page_nr=11
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/50/11/
=D
First off the translation in your onemanga link is WRONG. Second I gave you verbatim Mihawk's narration box text only a couple posts ago! At least have the decency to read a post you in which you were quoted!
From volume six chapter 50 THIS WOULD BE ON PAGE 12 OF YOUR onemanga LINK! This is the Japanese text that appears in the box beside Mihawk:
世界最強の剣士
鷹の目のミホーク
sekai saikyou no kenshi
taka no me no Mihooku
The worlds STRONGEST swordsman
Hawk eyes Mihawk.
The translation on onemanga is wrong. In an attempt to jazz up the language they lost the original meaning. It happens all the time, even with certain official translations. VIZ I'm looking at you~.
If you absolutely must have the page raw I'll gladly upload it, but it doesn't say anything that I didn't already type out.
I'm not sure. Even trolls have limits to their stupidity.
He's obviously a really rare super special ancient troll.
@Zik:
He's obviously a really rare super special ancient troll.
somebody did awake them?
we're doomed looks to the sky dramatically
i think that the translation of mihawks strike is not really right..
about the "strongest strike of the world", it`s more likely that in a battle against some1 else..(.i rly hope we will see mihawk fight a big name..would love to see his skills,before zoro-fight)he HAS to show more powerful strikes.
against zoro mihawk will sure have also en developed style and will go up to his powerlimit, where always the fighters get the strongest moves:happy:
If you absolutely must have the page raw I'll gladly upload it, but it doesn't say anything that I didn't already type out.
That is exactly what I need. Proof. So far U've all worked really hard trying 2disprove me but not one of U hav given me anything verifiable.
So Ace being your favorite character is based off who he is related to and not what he has actually done.
Well all he's done is destroy stuff and lose. I've always liked him due 2his cool attitude and DF abilities though. But my original fav was Usopp.
Begging will not make your dreams come true.
U realize that "I'd beg 2differ" is simply a figure of speech meaning that I disagree.
You're debating who was the pro and antagonist in the battle between Ace and Blackbeard.
Not who was the pro & antagonist but who was the good guy and the bad guy but I know U meant them 2mean the same. Though they R also very different things, technically. Like for instance Pirates like Luffy are bad guys even though Luffy is the main protagonist of the story.
=D
Btw I'm not a troll as I stated previously but I admit what I've been doing to True would B considered trolling by some. Though U hav 2admit his reactions were a bit overboard for such a meager debate. And I find it funny how some of U would dare insult my intelligence when U hav yet 2B able 2prove me wrong. As without that capability and just the info given, my intelligence would then B superior 2that of Urs.
=D
What I would really like to see is Marco,Ace and Jose to fight the 3 admirals and WB vs Sengoku(he may unveil some secret powers you never know)It will be interesting to see logias fighting each other although Aokiji will go down very very fast that way..hmm
No chapter this week. :(
we could always get an early release around saturday or sunday didn't that happen last time?
No chapter this week. :(
Oh really? Thank you for notifying us of this important fact … I'm sure no one posted anything like this before in this thread ...
@choperman:
we could always get an early release around saturday or sunday didn't that happen last time?
No, we won't there was never even going to be a spoiler until Monday at best. Honestly do you guys even understand how the spoilers are gotten? Or do you think someone grabs the latest chapter off of each mangaka's desk or something like that?
@GolD.:
Not who was the pro & antagonist but who was the good guy and the bad guy but I know U meant them 2mean the same. Though they R also very different things, technically. Like for instance Pirates like Luffy are bad guys even though Luffy is the main protagonist of the story.
=D
You are spilting hairs again. And you didn't address anything I said because I was right.
Btw I'm not a troll as I stated previously but I admit what I've been doing to True would B considered trolling by some. Though U hav 2admit his reactions were a bit overboard for such a meager debate. And I find it funny how some of U would dare insult my intelligence when U hav yet 2B able 2prove me wrong. As without that capability and just the info given, my intelligence would then B superior 2that of Urs.
=D
It's hard to not insult your intelligence when I have clearly proven you wrong and you don't seem to understand that I have.
EDIT: just deleted this stupid comment
@GolD.:
That is exactly what I need. Proof. So far U've all worked really hard trying 2disprove me but not one of U hav given me anything verifiable.
Here you go. Like I said it's no different from what I already told you twice now. Maybe next time you should trust me. I know what I'm talking about.
!
That guy is arguing with a word by word translation provided by mrkaizoku :blink: ?
Did anyone notice mihawk is one of the few characters in one piece oda didn't change the way he drew in the past 11 years.
mihawk vs. jozu needs to happen. the others could be melee.
You are spilting hairs again. And you didn't address anything I said because I was right.
U weren't right. And If U feel I didn't address anything U said 2me on that part its B-cuz U didn't say anything that needed 2B addressed in that section of Ur comment. All U wrote was "You're debating who was the pro and antagonist in the battle between Ace and Blackbeard."
It's hard to not insult your intelligence when I have clearly proven you wrong and you don't seem to understand that I have.
Thats so sad…lol...U actually never proved me wrong. U weren't able 2prove anything. Mrkaizoku is the one who has proved me wrong.
Here you go. Like I said it's no different from what I already told you twice now. Maybe next time you should trust me. I know what I'm talking about.
! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v412/Ivan_Kakkoii/youarewrong.jpg
se kai sai kyou no kenshi taka no ??? no mihooku.
Un-huh, mm…hmm...umm...mm...ohhh!!!
Then its just as I thought. I can't read japanesse. I can translate it into romaji but I still won't know what its saying. I'm glad U finally found proof though.
=D
That guy is arguing with a word by word translation provided by mrkaizoku :blink: ?
Is mrkaizoku some1 important?
=D
No, but it's an accurate translation.
Check this out:
You can always keep your stupid misconception, though.
If you check that link out and scroll down to where on of the guys mentions the yellow data books you'll see that I am right. Everything else in the spoiler just translates to Aokiji being the strongest and the 3 admirals making a world power. Nice try though.
@Kairouseki:
No, but it's an accurate translation.
But how was I going 2know that without proof. And do U read japanese. Cuz I want 2B sure its an accurate translation. I need some1 2help me verify as I can't read what that box actually says. All I can do is translate it into romaji.
=D
Even I can get this one, and I don't even speak Japanese! That box says:
Seikai no Saikyo no Kenshi
''Taka no Me no Mihoku''
or…
The World's Strongest Swordsman
''Hawk-Eye Mihawk''
That should be right...
@GolD.:
But how was I going 2know that without proof. And do U read japanese. Cuz I want 2B sure its an accurate translation. I need some1 2help me verify as I can't read what that box actually says. All I can do is translate it into romaji.
=D
I don't actually speak Japanese other than a few common words but I have a kanji addon for Firefox and it verify's that it's a correct translation. You're the only person in this thread that don't believe it .
If you check that link out and scroll down to where on of the guys mentions the yellow data books you'll see that I am right. Everything else in the spoiler just translates to Aokiji being the strongest and the 3 admirals making a world power. Nice try though.
Oh, sorry for not basing my beliefs on the already disproved claim of a banned troll who doesn't know Japanese. Like I said, keep your misconception alright, I don't care either way.
Please. Gol D. Ace, please!!
How old are you? 11?
Would you please tell me now that you're eleven years old?!
Because fighting for something as IMPOSSIBLE as "there is a STRONGER but not GREATER swordsman than Mihawk" is just ridiculous.
Believe those members who tell you their translation is right. Please just do it, so there is no more time wasted for everyone.
Do you really think Zoro will defeat Mihawk in chapter 792 just do find out there is a BETTER one? Do you really believe that something like this would happen? And Oda's going to say "HA! SO YOU THOUGHT MIHAWK IS THE BEST! WELL I FOOLED YOU SINCE I INTRODUCED HIM BACK IN CHAPTER 50!! BECAUSE GREATEST =/= STRONGEST!!" ??
Sorry, but unless you are 11 years old and think you could tell us something NEW & TRUE you are trolling. You really are.
最高戦力(saikou senryoku -highest/greatest battle power/war potential etc.) is used for ALL THREE ADMIRALS. Back when Aokiji was first introduced he was thought to be the strongest because of this phrase, but shortly thereafter Kizaru was introduced and the same exact wording was used for him meaning that it wasn't an exclusive term just used for Aokiji, but a term used for ALL the admirals. It's not really a matter of semantics anymore and hasn't been for a long long time now. At this time we really don't know who is the strongest of them. For all we know Aokiji could end up the weakest of them all.
Why exactly is this still going on? I thought that I helped put the nails in coffin to all of this a long time ago. Somehow I'm not surprised that it still comes up.
@Kairouseki:
I don't actually speak Japanese other than a few common words but I have a kanji addon for Firefox and it verify's that it's a correct translation. You're the only person in this thread that don't believe it .
Well I can't believe what I can't read. lol. U can only believe what U know. And I knew every translation except the one in the original raw manga.
Please. Gol D. Ace, please!!
How old are you? 11?
Would you please tell me now that you're eleven years old?!
Because fighting for something as IMPOSSIBLE as "there is a STRONGER but not GREATER swordsman than Mihawk" is just ridiculous.
Believe those members who tell you their translation is right. Please just do it, so there is no more time wasted for everyone.Do you really think Zoro will defeat Mihawk in chapter 792 just do find out there is a BETTER one? Do you really believe that something like this would happen? And Oda's going to say "HA! SO YOU THOUGHT MIHAWK IS THE BEST! WELL I FOOLED YOU SINCE I INTRODUCED HIM BACK IN CHAPTER 50!! BECAUSE GREATEST =/= STRONGEST!!" ??
Sorry, but unless you are 11 years old and think you could tell us something NEW & TRUE you are trolling. You really are.
Actually I'm 18 but I wouldn't B surprised if U were 11. Greatest dosen't equal strongest. And I don't think U know what trolling is as I haven't trolled at all yet(And I don't plan 2). And though that is very unlikely its not out of Oda's range. lol. And of course their will B a better enemy 4Zoro once Mihawk is defeated. But not a better swordsman.
=D
@mrkaizoku:
最高戦力(saikou senryoku -highest/greatest battle power/war potential etc.) is used for ALL THREE ADMIRALS. Back when Aokiji was first introduced he was thought to be the strongest because of this phrase, but shortly thereafter Kizaru was introduced and the same exact wording was used for him meaning that it wasn't an exclusive term just used for Aokiji, but a term used for ALL the admirals. It's not really a matter of semantics anymore and hasn't been for a long long time now. At this time we really don't know who is the strongest of them. For all we know Aokiji could end up the weakest of them all.
Why exactly is this still going on? I thought that I helped put the nails in coffin to all of this a long time ago. Somehow I'm not surprised that it still comes up.
This dosen't concern me but…. I think its probably cuz U don't seem trust worthy. I think its Ur pic. It just makes ppl not wanna believe Ur word 4some reason.
=D
It'll be mercy on this forum once the spoiler is released, till then let the derping continue.
And his sig…?
Mother talks...
A mentally challenged troll. Who would've thought.
@GolD.:
Well I can't believe what I can't read. lol. U can only believe what U know. And I knew every translation except the one in the original raw manga.
Actually I'm 18 but I wouldn't B surprised if U were 11. Greatest dosen't equal strongest. And I don't think U know what trolling is as I haven't trolled at all yet(And I don't plan 2). And though that is very unlikely its not out of Oda's range. lol. And of course their will B a better enemy 4Zoro once Mihawk is defeated. But not a better swordsman.
=DThis dosen't concern me but…. I think its probably cuz U don't seem trust worthy. I think its Ur pic. It just makes ppl not wanna believe Ur word 4some reason.
=D
Evolution just hit a brick wall very hard and very fast.
No matter how we explain it he's not going to believe us. Just ignore the troll. And if you're really 18… I don't know what to say.
@Wrong:
No I don't.
"Shitty but not garbage"
lol
I said, shitty at times. At times. The anime has its fair share of quality and shitty animation - it's not garbage.
Learntoreadplease? :getlost:
@Kairouseki:
No matter how we explain it he's not going to believe us. Just ignore the troll. And if you're really 18… I don't know what to say.
It's hard to believe that after 20 people tell him he is retarded that he starts to think that they are.
@Kairouseki:
No matter how we explain it he's not going to believe us. Just ignore the troll. And if you're really 18… I don't know what to say.
Cue The Bionic Man theme music
We can make the troll slower, dumber, longer lasting, and for some reason older.
Oh, sorry for not basing my beliefs on the already disproved claim of a banned troll who doesn't know Japanese. Like I said, keep your misconception alright, I don't care either way.
Sorry for not agreeing with some dude that translated stephen's script as the samething i've already stated. But whatever I guess.
Sorry for not agreeing with some dude that translated stephen's script as the samething i've already stated. But whatever I guess.
So you disagree with yourself? What a curious way to admit that one had a huge misconception under his arm.
@mrkaizoku:
Why exactly is this still going on? I thought that I helped put the nails in coffin to all of this a long time ago. Somehow I'm not surprised that it still comes up.
People like AlmostLegendary exist.