when you see that simple arrows can destroy rock while being "coated" with haki i cant imagine how explosive luffys gear second punch will become if he begins to control his haki. I believe that it would have knocked out magellan cause it would be "strength behind gear second punch" times 10.
I don't think that even magellan would be ok after such a punch.
Chapter 553 "Battle of the Highest" Discussion
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when you see that simple arrows can destroy rock while being "coated" with haki i cant imagine how explosive luffys gear second punch will become if he begins to control his haki. I believe that it would have knocked out magellan cause it would be "strength behind gear second punch" times 10.
I don't think that even magellan would be ok after such a punch.That's all well and good but it's nothing but baseless conjecture.
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when you see that simple arrows can destroy rock while being "coated" with haki i cant imagine how explosive luffys gear second punch will become if he begins to control his haki. I believe that it would have knocked out magellan cause it would be "strength behind gear second punch" times 10.
I don't think that even magellan would be ok after such a punch.I think he is already using it to some degree. I mean, in Impel Down he was beating up the stronger adversaries (that had the rest of the prisoners running for their lives) with ease alongside his two shichibukai buddies. And when he punched BB, BB remarked how Luffy's haki had improved.
But yeah, if he really wants to get ahead he has to learn how to shut down DF powers with it, like we saw Rayleigh or Boa's sisters do. Otherwise he's never going to be able to handle logia's, or even be able to beat a guy like Smoker.
It would be nice if he learns that in a fight in this war, then he'll be ready for the immense dangers that await in the new world. Ofcourse, that's what most people are expecting so maybe Oda will surprise us.
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@Thousand:
That's all well and good but it's nothing but baseless conjecture.
I know this. But there is still a logic behind it. I saw what the amazons could do with their arrows… And we also heard one amazon saying that luffy was able to knock out that giant monster (bakura?) in the ring without using haki... Which implies to me that haki can be used to amplify the power behind a punch. Is there a flaw behind that logic?
Now tell me why you think smoker is the only guy you can imagine luffy will seriously fight?@jackvance:
I think he is already using it to some degree. I mean, in Impel Down he was beating up the stronger adversaries (that had the rest of the prisoners running for their lives) with ease alongside his two shichibukai buddies. And when he punched BB, BB remarked how Luffy's haki had improved.
He beat every other opponent more or less with ease because he is a really strong opponent. Remember not everone is able to handle a gear second/thrid attack without fainting. Magellan and hannyabal (and the weird zoan guards) were the only one to be able to withstand is attack while magellan was the only one who didn't loose against luffy. I'm not really sure about BB mentioning luffys haki has grown. I thought he was amazed about what luffy were willing to do to save ace and that he would have fight every opponent who will try to stop him.
But yeah, if he really wants to get ahead he has to learn how to shut down DF powers with it, like we saw Rayleigh or Boa's sisters do. Otherwise he's never going to be able to handle logia's, or even be able to beat a guy like Smoker.
It would be nice if he learns that in a fight in this war, then he'll be ready for the immense dangers that await in the new world. Ofcourse, that's what most people are expecting so maybe Oda will surprise us.
I would rather see him learning it during the rest of his journey to raftel. On the other side how will Oda explain to us how he learned it? Luffy has to think about it and be aware of what haki is.
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@Thousand:
Magellan took a Jet Bazooka to the gut and it barely phased him then he took another Twin Jet Pistol to the gut and was still fine and dandy after. A Haki strengthened attack would have hurt him more but it would have, by no means, OTK'd him and against Magellan one touch is all that it needs.
He coughed out blood and fell to his knees. The Jet Pistols happened after Luffy had already started being effected by the poison too. Lets not forget Luffy was on his way to the kitchen so he wasn't at full strength. Yeah like 80%, but Oda put that little detail in for a reason. Magellan's has impressive endurance&stamina but he did take a decent amount of damage.
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I know this. But there is still a logic behind it. I saw what the amazons could do with their arrows… And we also heard one amazon saying that luffy was able to knock out that giant monster in the ring without using haki... Which implies to me that haki can be used to amplify the power behind a punch. Is there a flaw behind that logic?
Now tell me why you think smoker is the only guy you can imagine luffy will seriously fight?He's pretty much the only decently developed guy that has a former grudge against him that Luffy has a reasonable chance of beating and who he hasn't fought seriously and beaten before. There's just no time to develop an antagonistic relationship with anyone else.The only other possible candidates are Kuma (who might be too strong) and Moria (who is really a waste of time since Luffy's beaten him on his home turf anyway.
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How do you know that when you don't even know how strong Momonga is? Don't forget that when Iva warned Luffy about the people who will be at the war, he mentioned the vice admirals as well.
Ivankov: Oh, don't be a FOOL!! Hyou, fight against the very CENTER of power?! Do hyou know the strength of Whitebeard?! Do hyou know the strength…...of the admirals and vice admirals being sent to stop him?! How many lives DO hyou have, anyway?! (Chapter 540)
I think we sometimes forget that Momonga actually cleaved up a MASSIVE seaking larger than his marine battleship in half with ease.
That guy is definitely no pushover.The strength of VAs most likely varies quite a bit, just like any marine ranks.
I mean, we see those two idiots that got controlled by Doflamingo to almost kill each other in this VA line up.
(Back when Doflamingo first appeared in this manga)
Due to that incident, it makes an impression that those two guys are small fries compared to some of the other bad-ass VAs presented in the series.Or that Doflamingo is a serious badass.
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@Thousand:
He's pretty much the only decently developed guy that has a former grudge against him that Luffy has a reasonable chance of beating and who he hasn't fought seriously and beaten before. There's just no time to develop an antagonistic relationship with anyone else.The only other possible candidates are Kuma (who might be too strong) and Moria (who is really a waste of time since Luffy's beaten him on his home turf anyway.
I can only see luffy running away from smoker since he knows very well that he has absolutely no chance to win. Luffy knows it since loguetown.
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Well im sure that aint gonna stop Luffy from pulling off stunts at Smoker . I just cant imagine the possibilities.
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I can only see luffy running away from smoker since he knows very well that he has absolutely no chance to win. Luffy knows it since loguetown.
Not if Smoker is in his way, he won't.
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Well im sure that aint gonna stop Luffy from pulling off stunts at Smoker . I just cant imagine the possibilities.
why did luffy ran away from him at alabasta?
Why did luffy fight against magellan again? Because he knew that with mr,3 he had a chance to hit him without getting poisoned.There is a limit to luffys dumbness.
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why did luffy ran away from him at alabasta?
Why did luffy fight against magellan again? Because he knew that with mr,3 he had a chance to hit him without getting poisoned.There is a limit to luffys dumbness.
Yeah, but back then Luffy could also avoid those fights. Well back against the wall, Luffy fights.
As to how he will fight, use your imagination. Despite all the the resistance to haki, it's easy to see how it can be useful. It doesnt' even need to be mastered now, maybe just the beginner use can make a difference?
I'm going to take a risk here, I've actually just recently starting watching HunterxHunter my memory of Nen is fuzzy. Didn't either Gon or Killua learn (but not master) Nen is about four hours? I ask because I'm not sure.
That point aside, considering Luffy' ability to learn moves–mainly how gears came out of nowhere--and how a haki master with the ability to freeze hundreds of men in stone is nearby, to say Luffy can't master....no learn...haki in time to make a difference in this fight is a bit ill conceived.
I mean, why are people asking like Luffy can't come up with something new here? People seem to be willing to speculate that with other characters can come up with new moves all the time, but not Luffy?
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why did luffy ran away from him at alabasta?
Why did luffy fight against magellan again? Because he knew that with mr,3 he had a chance to hit him without getting poisoned.There is a limit to luffys dumbness.
After Luffy's encounter with Smoker ,Luffy have pulled off many stunts on the enemy. Some were useless( comic relief) and some were worthwhile. This is Luffy we are talking about as much as some people think he can't touch Smoker you cant deny he's the main character.
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Luffy had time to think about new techniques being stucked between 2 buildings. Now he hadn't that time. And basically there is a different between a mysterious technique that send waves of foo to knock out people or "can localy nullify DF abilities" or amplifiy the strength behind attacks or predict the opponents movements and speed up the blood circulation to increase the strength…
I can't see him taking down any logia yet.
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Luffy had time to think about new techniques being stucked between 2 buildings. Now he hadn't that time. And basically there is a different between a mysterious technique that send waves of foo to knock out people or "can localy nullify DF abilities" or amplifiy the strength behind attacks or predict the opponents movements and speed up the blood circulation to increase the strength…
I can't see him taking down any logia yet.
Well, I'm more interesting in the "learning haki" idea, then beating logias, but you're making a lot of assumptions there. Luffy could easily find the time in this arc to learn enough about haki to give him what he needs to get ahead. He's already used it accidentally twice, one of which was multiple arcs ago. For all we know he just needs a little direction and he can use a starter level of this technique on…whoever he fights.
Again, Luffy has an ally he is a haki master. If you assume he can't figure this out on his own, he still has that. This ability has been foreshadowed too long to assume it can't happen.
Edit: Oops, no wait, three times. Duval's bison, Hancock's sisters, and once again on level 5.
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I can't see him taking down any logia yet.
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To quote Greed, impossible is impossible.
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Luffy is a logia.. secret Oda twist that changes everything!
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Luffy is a logia.. secret Oda twist that changes everything!
Rubber Logia, yeah, that's nice.
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I like that all those people that were saying that Doflamingo was scared last week have to eat their words now. He's laughing about the whole thing.
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I havent realised yet what Wb`s devil fruit is,can someone explain me?
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I havent realised yet what Wb`s devil fruit is,can someone explain me?
No one really knows anything, but from what I can tell since he is kind of depicted as the King of the Seas then he is shown in the same light as Poseidon the greek god of the seas who could cast earthquakes and tsunamis, so yeah.
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@Dan:
Says who? Unless you're assuming there's some massive drop off in division commander strength after Marco and Jozu, as well as that the the NW captains are completely useless themselves, i don't see how you've come to that conclusion.
And why do you assume the Shichibukai are there to observe due to Dolflamingo's reaction? How is his reaction anymore indicative of that possibility over others such as him understanding Mihawk has no chance in a 1 on 1 with WB, and thus expressing his surprise at Mihawk's engagement?
And sure it was a prop attack, but do you really think Mihawk is gonna half ass it when he's testing himself against one of the most powerful guys around? At the very least it makes perfect sense to assume that the attack was one of his most powerful overall, if not one that was designed for straight up cutting, which would explain his failure to harm Jozu.
The attack wasn't even named and did he swing it with one hand.
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@Dan:
Says who? Unless you're assuming there's some massive drop off in division commander strength after Marco and Jozu, as well as that the the NW captains are completely useless themselves, i don't see how you've come to that conclusion.
And why do you assume the Shichibukai are there to observe due to Dolflamingo's reaction? How is his reaction anymore indicative of that possibility over others such as him understanding Mihawk has no chance in a 1 on 1 with WB, and thus expressing his surprise at Mihawk's engagement?
And sure it was a prop attack, but do you really think Mihawk is gonna half ass it when he's testing himself against one of the most powerful guys around? At the very least it makes perfect sense to assume that the attack was one of his most powerful overall, if not one that was designed for straight up cutting, which would explain his failure to harm Jozu.
@Dan:
How does everyone know that? From character design? That's a really weak argument imo. Put Luffy in a lineup of any number of characters and character design sure isn't gonna be what helps you pin him down as the main character.
I also like how you tell me it's not a stretch to assume what these brand new character are and are not capable of and then accuse me of jumping the gun.
It's not assumption at all.
Mihawk: "I just want to know. How far I really am from that man."
Even without this line of dialogue, for a slew of reasons, it should be pretty apparent that Mihawk is not on the level of a Yonkou. I can hear you now though; "but he sparred with Shanks blah blah blah." Quiet you, i say to that. That all took place at least 10 years ago and who knows how strong they were then and how far each has come since.
And none of the Shichibukai are contenders. BB might be one day if he continue to grows as he has been, but he's not ready now.
Wrong, Shanks hasn't gotten stronger since he loss his arm. They are equal which means Mihawk is Youkou level.
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Wrong, Shanks hasn't gotten stronger since he loss his arm. They are equal which means Mihawk is Youkou level.
No seriously, this isn't the Naruto thread.
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JUJU14!
OUTSIDE OF THE NARUTO THREAD?!
Well at least he's not posting garbage.
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@Fiasco.:
No seriously, this isn't the Naruto thread.
I come in here all the time, but just don't post. The Mihawk bashing is crazy and people act like someone can't get one shotted. Look at BB a few chapters ago.
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Yeah, but back then Luffy could also avoid those fights. Well back against the wall, Luffy fights.
As to how he will fight, use your imagination. Despite all the the resistance to haki, it's easy to see how it can be useful. It doesnt' even need to be mastered now, maybe just the beginner use can make a difference?
I'm going to take a risk here, I've actually just recently starting watching HunterxHunter my memory of Nen is fuzzy. Didn't either Gon or Killua learn (but not master) Nen is about four hours? I ask because I'm not sure.
That point aside, considering Luffy' ability to learn moves–mainly how gears came out of nowhere--and how a haki master with the ability to freeze hundreds of men in stone is nearby, to say Luffy can't master....no learn...haki in time to make a difference in this fight is a bit ill conceived.
I mean, why are people asking like Luffy can't come up with something new here? People seem to be willing to speculate that with other characters can come up with new moves all the time, but not Luffy?
Yeah so Hancock is going to take Luffy aside and teach him haki amidst this gigantic war and he going to fully understand what she tells him and is going to use his new found knowledge to defeat Smoker with his new Gomu Gomu Haki Pistol. Okay.
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Wrong, Shanks hasn't gotten stronger since he loss his arm. They are equal which means Mihawk is Youkou level.
My word. This thread is now a national treasure.
Incidentally, there are no grounds to say that Shanks hasn't gotten stronger after ten years, so…this is rather unfounded.
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Yeah so Hancock is going to take Luffy aside and teach him haki amidst this gigantic war and he going to fully understand what she tells him and is going to use his new found knowledge to defeat Smoker with his new Gomu Gomu Haki Pistol. Okay.
I think he meant he could learn it by observation, kinda like Soru, but you never know what he means…
UsoppSpell!
On the eve of spoilerificaiton, you will wait until you remember it's break week.
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My word. This thread is now a national treasure.
Incidentally, there are no grounds to say that Shanks hasn't gotten stronger after ten years, so…this is rather unfounded.
DATABOOK and it doesn't mean Shanks is weak. It all depends on matchups. Remember Moria went toe to toe with a youkou.
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Where in the databook does it say his strength hasn't changed in ten years?
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I think we sometimes forget that Momonga actually cleaved up a MASSIVE seaking larger than his marine battleship in half with ease.
That guy is definitely no pushover.Well Momonga's abilities a good, but its more like the butcher abilities - he did impressive on this field. Unlike him, T-bone stayed true to swordsman ways - make clean cut and actually split seaking in half.
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To quote Greed, impossible is impossible.
I have to say that you got me there :)
But he won't have that luck against every logia in the world. -
I think he meant he could learn it by observation, kinda like Soru, but you never know what he means…
Even then there is nothing to see. Haki is an unseen force.
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Yeah so Hancock is going to take Luffy aside and teach him haki amidst this gigantic war and he going to fully understand what she tells him and is going to use his new found knowledge to defeat Smoker with his new Gomu Gomu Haki Pistol. Okay.
My point is Luffy can learn this move faster then you think, and I was barely talking about Smoker. That was more of the subject of the guy I was responding too.
I'm saying if, worse comes to worse, Hancock could turn to stone a large fraction of men around her and give Luffy a quick lesson. Difficult, but not impossible if she can get out of the immediate vision of WB's crew. However, I mainly suggested this because so many people believe haki will be difficult to learn. It is still a bit out of character for Hancock, maybe a little convenient.
Luffy could learn it be watching Hancock use it, that is one possibility. Another is that Luffy finally figures it out before Ace dies. Like I said before, you your imagination. I guess my big point is, so many people are acting like this haki thing is impossible when there are still so many options available. We don't even know how difficult it would be for Luffy to start using this technique.
Hey, it just occurred to me. If Luffy's already used haki so many times, wouldn't he just need to learn how to activate it on command to use it? That doesn't sound so hard.
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Once Luffy learns haki, Gear 4 will be him turning from a paramecia to a logia.
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Once Luffy learns haki, Gear 4 will be him turning from a paramecia to a logia.
Welcome to the dumb prediction thread… Wait... Wrong thread...
@onemoment
I think that learnning haki is a slow process since you can apparently use it in various ways. The process already began when luffy used it unconsciously.
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Once Luffy learns haki, Gear 4 will be him turning from a paramecia to a logia.
I support this theory, and it goes along witht he Theory that DF's are formed from haki thus can be changed by it!!!!
Mihawk is like Kanye West…ppl only scared of him bcuz hes kinda crazy and dangerous...hes only got 1 friend Jayz i mean Shanks no 2 mention hes really cocky too and nobody in the OP world likes him..mayb kanye has a long black sword too!!
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Well, now I wonder what will happen on this board when Luffy next uses haki. I mean, he used it last time in Impel Down. We can't have long to wait for this thing to be revealed.
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@Fiasco.:
I support this theory, and it goes along witht he Theory that DF's are formed from haki thus can be changed by it!!!!
Indeed. Awesome is haki. Haki is awesome.
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OneMoment, I take that you agree with me if you don't answer? :3
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Mihawk is like Kanye West…ppl only scared of him bcuz hes kinda crazy and dangerous...hes only got 1 friend Jayz i mean Shanks no 2 mention hes really cocky too and nobody in the OP world likes him..mayb kanye has a long black sword too!!
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onemoment:
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No, the point was definately to say that a weaker character managed to defeat a stronger character.
The whole point between Luffy and Crocodile and Luffy VS Moria was that Crocodile and Moria had superior bounties to him even before they froze, and that they are incredibly powerful (Crocodile dominating an entire country, Moria having a Zombie Empire with him), yet Luffy, due to luck, underestimation, help from friends and his will, as long as being rubber, brought the guy who was atleast two times stronger than him.
That is the whole point of the underground thing you were talking about.
Except that Oda is realistic and doesn't make a 1 VS 1 Mano a Mano fair fight, otherwise it would be like Naruto VS Pain (Read: Stupid)That is incorrect, and I can use AoKiji and Kizaru easily to prove you wrong.
Altough Moria, Crocodile, AoKiji and Kizaru have their arrogance and quirks, that doesn't change the fighting style.
First of all, I can pretty much guarantee you that Crocodile won't bring a poisoned hook and be randomly attacking Whitebeard with it, nor that Moria will be sitting sleeping and smilling while his doppelgangel does the job against Whitebeard. Which was what Moria and Crocodile did (So, back to my argument, if Moria and Crocodile took Luffy as seriously as someone like Whitebeard)But the Admirals hold even more reasoning than the 2 Shichibukais.
Kizaru and AoKiji both had the same personality when fighting the Straw Hats and when fighting Whitebeard, however, there were clear differences in the fight itself:
-SH's VS AoKiji, Aokiji calmly made a sword out of ice, then he was surprised when Sanji kicked it, he freezed Zoro and Sanji, then they all got out because of Robin being frozen.
AoKiji was lazy and wasn't doing anything, so Luffy atacked him, after a battle, Luffy sent AoKiji, who was joking around, to the air.
AoKiji broke in pieces and came back to an Ice Time.On the other hand, against Whitebeard, he wasn't relaxing, he wasn't being calm and he didn't just freeze the tsunamis and go back to his chair (in fact, he could've done it without even leaving the chair, which suits his personality best), he jumped, picked 5 Ice Lances, threw him, then, as soon as he was broken by Whitebeard, he came back in pieces out of nowhere and froze the entire bay, this in a tenth of the time against SH's and another tenth of the time against Luffy.
-Kizaru was joking around, looking at X Drake being a dinosaur and casually kicking someone at the speed of light, he also used a kick on Apoo, came back, another kick, and then, just to be badass, pulled a little finger and made an arrow, thus standing there preparing an arrow.
Did he do that against the Whitebeard pirates?
Of course not, he jumped out at the speed of light and sent dozens of light rays to try not to give any chance for Whitebeard to defend.In conclusion, their personality is the same, their fighting style is not.
Besides, even if you were right, Oda made Crocodile's and Moria's personalities like that in purpose to give Luffy an advantage, which is another luck factor.
However, even then, you're wrong either ways, so no need to bring up the above sentence, lol.The Insanity came from the situation itself (again, luck), Luffy destroyed his plans, surprised him out of nowhere, used his own power, punched Moria in the face (Some say it also has to do with the punches in the face, and its a possibility I didn't think of before, after all, we never saw someone getting that much beating and still getting up again), he then injected 1000 shadows and started punching like a madman.
Again, if Moria didn't underestimate him, if Moria wasn't in a bad situation, if Luffy didn't use his own ability (thanks to Lola and his will) and if Moria didn't joke around with him the first time they met, he wouldn't be enraged and mad.So, no…
I always found it annoying, and thank god Oda doesn't do it like that.
If there's one thing I hate is hyping the opponent to be the best thing ever, and then without any explanation, a single powerup is enough to defeat the so anticipated opponent.Mangas like Fist of the North Star weren't stupid like this, they hyped the villain, but they never showed that Ken was stronger/weaker than him, nor that they are different in any way, because there weren't rankings, and the little rankings there were, Ken was a renegade from them all.
One Piece also avoids this, using a balance system to balance Luffy with the opponents that would have realistically defeated him otherwise.
Yep, its pretty much that:
Crocodile:
-Underestimation
-Cockyness
-Help from Nico Robin, Pell and Nico Robin again.
-Luck overall (remember that moment when Luffy didn't do it on purpose but spit on Crocodile and Crocodile avoided? And then the water fell? Yeah, that was luck overall, different from the other term I use when saying "luck")And to make things better from the explanation point of view, even with that, Luffy was almost dead, and lost 2 times and almost lost 1.
And to make them even better, Luffy needed a lot to defeat him, being necessary to punch him a thousand of times and going through pure bedrock until finally destroying a lot of buildings and going through the floor.
And Crocodile is the Weakest of the 8 Shichibukais
Moria:
-Underestimation
-Cockyness
-Lazyness overall
-Insanity in the end
-Help from Lola
-The whole situation in which Moria was in (the only advantage overall was Odz, and even then, he wasn't much preocupied with the SH's, and more with having Odz for future battles).And even better, Luffy could be almost dead for the whole thing if it wasn't "Fatigue and pain switch" thing.
And to make things even better, Moria not only needed 2 Jet Shells on the belly, not only needed the shadows to get out, not only needed to have many shadows in his mouth, as he still needed a tower that was 6 times his side (and Moria was as tall as Ozd) to actually bring him down.
And as if Oda wasn't satisfacted enough, he still make Moria be awake and fighting randomly one week later.
AND MORIA IS THE SECOND WEAKEST SHICHIBUKAI.
So yeah, its exactly what you're saying, the great explanations Oda gets for Luffy to both look amazing (Let's be honest, no matter how Moria underestimates Luffy, Luffy still needs to be hella strong and have a great will to defeat him) and to also say "But Moria would have won if Luffy didn't have the upperhand in the situation, because Moria is a freaking Shichibukai"
And let's be honest, if it wasn't for that kind of situation, wouldn't you guys feel less excited about this war now? You could just think: "Meh, lol, Luffy owned two of the Shichibukais, so this should be easy for the WB pirates", when Oda didn't want us to see it that way? When he clearly created situations for Luffy to win?
Just sayin
Yeah, you're right.
The only way besides the one Oda is using to make Luffy win against a Shichibukai after all the hype he gave them would be to go the Naruto way and suddenly create a bankai or blood limit or ultra 9 Tails mode (read: Stupid powerup that normally doesn't even have consistency) to defeat someone, and I find that just stupid, so, I'm really glad Oda makes it this way.
I also do believe that as soon as Luffy learns something like what Rayleigh has (Be it Haki or whatever else it might be), Luffy will start going up in a speedier manner.
In fact, I think that as soon as Luffy gets Haki, he pretty much gets to Crocodile's level immediatly, unless in the desert or unless Crocodile has something under his sleeve that didn't show us before (Its possible, as Crocodile was underestimating Luffy, after all).
However, I wouldn't say that I expect Luffy to defeat someone as strong as the Shichibukais fairly in this arc YET, I think that he still needs a little more sagas (1, 2?) before he gets that strong, but don't quote me on this part, this one is just speculation.This .
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nop moria just fought with youkou and lost all his crew…
like stawhats fought against kuma... and were UTTERLY DEFEATED...Where did it say Moria got beaten through?? Luffy got his ass whipped with his crew. BB almost got one shotted a few chapters ago and he had plenty of hype.
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nop moria just fought with youkou and lost all his crew…
like stawhats fought against kuma... and were UTTERLY DEFEATED...Where in the databook does it say his strength hasn't changed in ten years?
I said since he loss his hand. How much years back was that?
