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was it mentioned iwa was in lvl 5? or in the same lvl as Ace?
Iwa was mentioned to be on Level 5. Nothing about him being at Ace's level though.
Chapter 535 "Buddy" Discussion
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so i think we could assume now that ace is on level 6…don`t think luffy is now on the same level ...
bon kurei will now free luffy and their they will meet iwa and than they will go to rescue acebut i think they won`t reach ace...he will be transported to marineford, but they will most likely free jinbei and maybe some others which will go for the WAAR!!
also interesting how luffy could improve that quick to beat magelan(who should now be sure the main villain for this ID-arc...first loosing than beating him like so often before a villain ;)
iam curious when oda will show us an improvenment of luffys haki...its now the time for it...maybe iwa will help hereand what happend to hannyabal...first beating that easy mr.3 and buggy and now he`s gone?? i mean he must have had contact with mr.2 so that he could transform into hannyabal...maybe now he rly wants to take magelans position in giving mr.2 here the chance to trick them...
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Virus' don't really involve bacteria though, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
True, made a mistake there, bacteria and virus aren't the same thing.
why not, poison (venom is more appropriate) is a toxin which can be a bacteria
I think that the common conception of poison, as classified traditionally, would be things such as venom, noxious gas, nerve agents, and the like. Coincidentally tolerance and even immunity can in fact come from surviving previous exposure. For venom in particular this is true, and it's also venom which has an antidote. Because magellen said it's coursing through his veins and implied that if he didn't have so much exposure to it, an antidote could have saved him, we can safely assume venom is what's KILLING him, there's a reason it took the form of a serpent.
You CAN build up antibodies for venom, a resilliance to it, and in some cases even an immunity to various venom.
That said, Oda is not a man of science or highly technical rational explanation, so if he has a resilliance to the poison it likely will be attributed to his previous two exposures to poison, and to the okama queen performing a miracle.
All you said is right, but you're talking specifically of venom, not simple poison, this is what I mean (from wikipedia):
"In medicine (particularly veterinary) and in zoology, a poison is often distinguished from a toxin and a venom. Toxins are poisons produced via some biological function in nature, and venoms are usually defined as biologic toxins that are injected by a bite or sting to cause their effect, while other poisons are generally defined as substances which are absorbed through epithelial linings such as the skin or gut."
After seeing the "chloro ball" I was under the impression that his poison wasn't biological and thus didn't involve toxins but instead simply gases, solids and liquids poisonous for the human body, in the right doses like "arsenic" or "bismuth" or "radon". As far as I know if you survive arsenic poisoning you won't build up antibodies, the second time you get poisoned by it you have no protection exactly like the first time.
But then again, maybe I'm just confusing all this stuff, or maybe I'm just assuming wrong about Magellan's poison.
What if they are the same poison? Or if it's a mutatet form of it? All I'm saying is that in a manga universe you can twist it around with manga explenations that would never work in the real world. I'm not a die hard supporter of that theory. I just think that it isn't impossible, though unlikely to happen.
Of course, it's a manga, Oda can make a skeleton sing and say YOHOHOHOHOHOHO all the time, anything can happen with little justification. I was just talking about what would happen in our world, Oda can go and disregard anything I've just said. In fact I don't even pretend him to follow our physic/chemistry, else the manga would get boring as hell.
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That wasn't luffy's full strenght. He didnt use Gear 2nd+3rd against megallen. He'd probably knock out megallen with a gigant jet rifle or something of that kind. Nevertheless, the poison would still pretty much damage luffy a lot.
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That wasn't luffy's full strenght. He didnt use Gear 2nd+3rd against megallen. He'd probably knock out megallen with a gigant jet rifle or something of that kind. Nevertheless, the poison would still pretty much damage luffy a lot.
He did use Gear 2nd when he used his jet moves. I'm thinking that because his blood was pumping faster in his body then, the poison moved a lot faster than any normal person who was poisoned.
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That wasn't luffy's full strenght. He didnt use Gear 2nd+3rd against megallen. He'd probably knock out megallen with a gigant jet rifle or something of that kind. Nevertheless, the poison would still pretty much damage luffy a lot.
Err, you do realize that the Gigant Jet move was a big expection that was only used because it was a race against time with an opponent as large as Odr? It's not like this desperate move is Luffy's standard yet. Neither is he able to use it without major drawbacks. Remember that the pain and fatigue Zoro is carrying around actually belong to Luffy which pretty much proves that these moves are far beyond what he can regular power at the moment.
Besides it's not like a Gigant Jet move would have helped him win the fight. It's not Luffy's or Magellans strenght that was the problem. It's the effects of Magellan's ability.
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isnt d pain caused only by gear 2? i dont think gear 3 affects him tat much… he does ave a rubber body afterall...
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@~doomsday~:
isnt d pain caused only by gear 2? i dont think gear 3 affects him tat much… he does ave a rubber body afterall...
Of course. But think about it that way. If a regular Gear 2nd already eats away Luffy's how much more of his life must it eat away if he performs is while having the arm/leg of a giant? I'd say the effect grows exponetioally. Also a regular Gear 3rd might not caus him pain or eat away his life. But he still has the drawback to shrink. As long as he didn't get any improvements on the drawbacks here I don't think Gigant Jet moves are something that he'll use more frequently.
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nice chapter freezing hell looks serious ace might stil be on level five just another section but i dunno n_n
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nice chapter freezing hell looks serious ace might stil be on level five just another section but i dunno n_n
Wouldn't make sense since apparently Level 5 as a whole is labeled to be a freezing hell, which should apply to all sections it has.
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That Queen that Bon Clay has talked about will probably miracle cure Luffy's way back into health, or watch Kuma appear and repel the poison out of Luffy's body. I would really hate the second one unless there was a really really good reason for it.
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Great chapter.
When Hannyabal turned to Mr 2, I was surprised, great twist.But what really made me love this chapter was getting Luffy fucking owned.
This ark stopped being "Meh" and started being "FUCK YEAH"
Can't wait to see how Luffy will defeat Magellan.
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Can't wait to see Luffy return being 100x stronger (full strength) after he recovers and eats!
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The cover with Brook at the gym was funny XD
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Can't wait to see Luffy return being 100x stronger (full strength) after he recovers and eats!
lol if i said something like that about Zoro i'd be called a fanboy/Zorotard
luffy won't recover that easily the amount of poison he's suffering from can't be healed by time or even haki
and eating won't make him 100x stronger what makes him 100x stronger is finding a way to hit this guy without being effected by poisonhmm what way did the body guard use to bypass luffys rubber body???
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lol if i said something like that about Zoro i'd be called a fanboy/Zorotard
Dude, are you butthurt or something? You say this all the time with nothing to back it up. It's getting pretty annoying.
On topic: I think Hannyabal is hiding somewhere allowing this all to happen. He'll show up once his job as warden is threatened or probably once Magellan is defeated to claim his job. Hannyabal is the TRUE endboss.
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does luffy not have the sea stone hand cuffs because he was covered in poison?
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Dude, are you butthurt or something? You say this all the time with nothing to back it up. It's getting pretty annoying.
On topic: I think Hannyabal is hiding somewhere allowing this all to happen. He'll show up once his job as warden is threatened or probably once Magellan is defeated to claim his job. Hannyabal is the TRUE endboss.
no i don't believe i am
im just stating a fact and as a member to another member you can't don't have any authority over what other post no matter ur opinion is on it
so instead of complaining get a life
but recieving pms from crazy members leaves me sinicle on this sitebut any way heres my prediction on the next chapter
The chapter will start off with hanabal and i bet he replaced himself with another prisoner aka mr 1
Mr1 is pissed about having to take orders from mr 2 but does it knowing they will be releasing croc while they are in level 5
the releasing of mr 1 will be said by mr2 to guards as relocating him from a level 4 prisoner to a level 5After that they enter level 5 end of them
5 hours left til ace execution
and the ship arrives to pick up ace
On the ship is kizaru and garpAce looking down as he realises/senses his brothers in trouble
thats my prediction for next chapter
Luffy loosing like he did was just sad, i the way he was crying out ace's name hit me hard
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Great chapter.
When Hannyabal turned to Mr 2, I was surprised, great twist.But what really made me love this chapter was getting Luffy fucking owned.
This ark stopped being "Meh" and started being "FUCK YEAH"
Can't wait to see how Luffy will defeat Magellan.
T'was last chapter, good man. But I do have to say, this chapter really got me going anyways XD
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I think that Ace and Jinbei…and Crocodile are all on level 5. Level six wouldn't be just a rumor if prisoners were obviously imprisoned there. Probably not as cold on that side of that lvl.
Mihawk is like Kanye West…ppl only scared of him bcuz hes kinda crazy and dangerous...hes only got 1 friend Jayz i mean Shanks no 2 mention hes really cocky too and nobody in the OP world likes him..mayb kanye has a long black sword too!!
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Neomaster121, I thought you said you were going to use proper grammar on long posts. That was a pretty long post and the grammar was pretty damn shitty.
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Neomaster121, I thought you said you were going to use proper grammar on long posts. That was a pretty long post and the grammar was pretty damn shitty.
trust me that wasn't a long post
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@Fiasco.:
I think that Ace and Jinbei…and Crocodile are all on level 5. Level six wouldn't be just a rumor if prisoners were obviously imprisoned there. Probably not as cold on that side of that lvl.
Cmon, be serious. It's called the freezing hell. Croc, Jinbei, and Ace of all ppl are in the area of that lvl where it's not that cold? haha
That's like if there's an area in the lvl of hunger where there's a McDonald's.
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Well I always thought that the words L-5 2660 would mean it's level five, doesn't look to cold there either.
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@Fiasco.:
Well I always thought that the words L-5 2660 would mean it's level five, doesn't look to cold there either.
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Oh crap, you beat me to it…..now, this gets me wondering, is this a mistake on Oda's part, or is there another part of Level 5.................this stuff is confusing!
Also, if Ace really was on Level 6 how come he could hear the fight from Level 4 and nobody was shown in Level 5 hearing or even knowing there was a fight!
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i bet in the end of this arc hannyabal will be the chief warden…(or join the strawhats)
Also, if Ace really was on Level 6 how come he could hear the fight from Level 4 and nobody was shown in Level 5 hearing or even knowing there was a fight!
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i think that he asked it because he knows that luffy is on his way and he just wanted to know how the situation is above
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Oh crap, you beat me to it…..now, this gets me wondering, is this a mistake on Oda's part, or is there another part of Level 5.................this stuff is confusing!
It's a mistake on Oda's part. He dropped the whole tagging cells thing. There's other scenes in the later chapters (past ch.525) where you can see the outside of a cells that contain prisoners and there's no tag at all. So whatever that level is, it is based on a design that has been retconned out. So people should really stop bringing it up as evidence.
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It's a mistake on Oda's part. He dropped the whole tagging cells thing. There's other scenes in the later chapters (past ch.525) where you can see the outside of a cells that contain prisoners and there's no tag at all. So whatever that level is, it is based on a design that has been retconned out. So people should really stop bringing it up as evidence.
You may be right, I hope he covers it in the next SBS!
i think that he asked it because he knows that luffy is on his way and he just wanted to know how the situation is above
Idk, the timing was too damn perfect, either he felt some crap was going down with Luffy, or he felt/ heard a battle going on!
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Something I've thought of is that there isn't simply a ''Level 6'', absolute, but more like a series of small sub-levels under Level 5 that colelctively make up this mystery level that Buggy referred to. Like the first sub-level is where Ace, Jimbei, and Crocodile are, and beneath that are chambers and stuff containing things, or people that the World Government want's to get rid of and forget, while beneath that is a vast chamber that no one is allowed to enter, that contains stuff from the Void Century or the Ancient Kingdom. Actually, I'd find it neat if Impel Down itself was built on top of something in order to hide it, and when our jailbreak crew inevitably get there, the stuff they see will fly right over their heads but make the readers go ''Holy shit'', or something.
Just something I thought up.
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well this is interesting.. i really want to see Ch 536 now.:cwy:
Im also though that Iwa could heal Luffy but maybe as soon as Luffy escapes ID..he could be poisoned againshrug
I wonder if the shichibukai or Kuma will fight in this arc or appear in the levels of ID.
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It's a mistake on Oda's part. He dropped the whole tagging cells thing. There's other scenes in the later chapters (past ch.525) where you can see the outside of a cells that contain prisoners and there's no tag at all. So whatever that level is, it is based on a design that has been retconned out. So people should really stop bringing it up as evidence.
Well I can't say I know how Oda operates, because I don't, but i'd like to think that he atleast thought out the basic themes for the 5 levels before introducing ID, i.e The Boiling pot and Spikes. That would also include lvl 5, so in my opinion he purposely didn't show the "cold" there trying to keep us guessing like this, just like he continues to say "On the floor where Ace is" instead of the actual lvl number. I'm just reluctant to believe that Ace, Jinbei and Croc are all on lvl 6, doesn't seem right at all. And there is nothing that says he dropped the whole tagging cells thing, he could have just done it that once to hint to us the lvl they were on. So people should really stop acting like they know what Oda is doing.
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Also, if Ace really was on Level 6 how come he could hear the fight from Level 4 and nobody was shown in Level 5 hearing or even knowing there was a fight!
I guess Oda still wanted to keep what type of "hell" lvl 5 would be. I'm not sold on Ace and co being in lvl 6 but it just looks like it to me. Oda probably should've never labeled the cells to begin with unless he has some other explanation for that. Thing is I don't believe he'd purposely keep the theme of lvl 5 out of every scene shown with Ace and co just for mystery, that's a little stupid to me.
On another note I don't like(no longer) the idea of Impel Down keeping other things than prisoners/living beings in lvl 6 or w/e else is there simply cuz the place to me in its essence is still a prison. Not a place you'd keep something like ancient weapons or any crucial information. It just isn't prudent. I think the WG would have other completely unheard/unknown of places for that sort of thing.
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Idk, the timing was too damn perfect, either he felt some crap was going down with Luffy, or he felt/ heard a battle going on!
It's just for dramatic effect. Just like a few chapters ago Ace said "Luffy, don't come" while at the same time Magellan was gathering forces to intercept Luffy & Co. It doesn't mean that Ace can follow what's going on, he simply is troubled because he knows that Luffy is already inside the prison and on his way to him.
And seriously, if Level 5 is labeled as the Freezing Hell than this is exactly what it is. It actually makes no sense to have non-freezing cells on a level whos entire purpose is to be entirely frozen.
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Floor 6 is for prisoners deemed so bad they've been erased from history. Ace has a public execution coming, that 's hardly being erased from history
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Floor 6 is for prisoners deemed so bad they've been erased from history. Ace has a public execution coming, that 's hardly being erased from history
He's not there to be erased from history but because apparently this is the toughest place in all of Impel Down. I mean he is the friggin Commander of the Whitebeard Pirates' Second Division. If you'd be the warden of Impel Down, would you rather imprison him at Level 1 that is designed to keep small fish or would you rather keep him there where a large number of silver medalists who only lost to Roger and Newgate are kept?
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He's not there to be erased from history but because apparently this is the toughest place in all of Impel Down. I mean he is the friggin Commander of the Whitebeard Pirates' Second Division. If you'd be the warden of Impel Down, would you rather imprison him at Level 1 that is designed to keep small fish or would you rather keep him there where a large number of silver medalists who only lost to Roger and Newgate are kept?
What about Crocodile:/? He should be in level 4 yet I doubt his former shickibukai status would be enough to raise his status level by 2.
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Ace is on level five only the central tower of level five is a frozen hell level six is a myth.
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I think the case here could be that some levels' have their own "torture chamber". Like the level 1 had it's normal jail area and then was this haribarisou area:
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@Thousand:
What about Crocodile:/? He should be in level 4 yet I doubt his former shickibukai status would be enough to raise his status level by 2.
So you think that Jinbei with a former bounty of 250 million is being kept on Level 4 instead? Would be a foolish thing to do so for the WG. Bounty-wise one guy is at the wrong place and security wise it makes more sense to keep the lower bounty at a higher security level then the higher bounty on a lower security level. ;)
Other than that IMO his Shichibukai status does grant him the privilege to be an exception. After all, the Shichibukai are one of the three powers that keep the world in balance. The Gorosei set themselves that the open spot Crocodile left could make the world fall apart. That alone should prove how his status is more important then his bounty.
And last but not least, with all Crocodile has done, he really is somebody the WG would be interested in having erased from history respectively have to be forgotten. He used his status to take over a country (which is part of the WG) and even worse try to revive Pluton. Thus he made the WG look like fools for trusting him and giving a guy like him the opportunity to put this plan to motion. It's not like this is a sort of criminal you catch every day. Even if the bounty is low he deserves to be at the place where the worst scum is being kept.
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Ace is on level five only the central tower of level five is a frozen hell level six is a myth.
level six is a myth.
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I liked the part about only the central tower being frozen, but then that myth thing sent it downhill. Poor guy.
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He's not there to be erased from history but because apparently this is the toughest place in all of Impel Down. I mean he is the friggin Commander of the Whitebeard Pirates' Second Division. If you'd be the warden of Impel Down, would you rather imprison him at Level 1 that is designed to keep small fish or would you rather keep him there where a large number of silver medalists who only lost to Roger and Newgate are kept?
I'd rather him be in the place that makes the most sense. Putting him in a secret prison when his imprisonment isn't meant to be a secret (quite the opposite, in fact) doesn't make a lot of sense.
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Yeah, the level that Oda didn't label is really just closet space, no Level 6 in sight!Anyway
Enjoyed the chapter, and look forward to seeing exactly how Luffys ass is saved. I'm warming to the Iwa-Miracle idea, don't see much in the mushroom poison/crocodile ideas.
Would like to see a colour spread with all the jail breakers too.
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I think the case here could be that some levels' have their own "torture chamber". Like the level 1 had it's normal jail area and then was this haribarisou area:
I actually like this idea and it makes a little bit of sense. I'm not saying for a fact that that is the case but it would answer a lot of questions.
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i think we all need to accept that ace is on level 6. wait for oda to explain everything, he won't disappoint. he did not disappoint with magellan, or hanyabal (i think hanyabal has a surprise cuz mr 2 can only change his face, not clothes or wings)
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Actually Mr. 2's DF allows him to copy the users whole body, not just the face
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You can only get to Level 6 by yanking out the cartridge, replacing it with "Tennis", hit the reset button and play Tennis, then yank it out and place the original cartridge back in.
Anyone who gets this is guilty of being too old to be here.
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Haki keeps off the snow reaching where jinbei and others are, lolol nvm
good chapter but i'd stick on Croc helping Luffy in someway about his poison.
