The war will be epic. I hope that we get many informations about the fighting styles of each strong characters. We may see how doflamingo fight. We may see kuma in action against strong opponents who are not half dead … And we may see akainu? wowowow supppaaaaaaaaa.
I agree with the theory of BB beating WB. The old man is living in the past. He doesn't belong to this new age and he doesn't understand anything at all. He may have listen to shanks but he is too proud and too old for it.
The War With Whitebeard
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I agree with the theory of BB beating WB. The old man is living in the past. He doesn't belong to this new age and he doesn't understand anything at all. He may have listen to shanks but he is too proud and too old for it.
Well, you may agree with the theory that BB beats WB, but I don't agree with your reasons.
Whitebeard IS the strongest man in the world. That's not just an outdated title, it's a fact. He is the closest one to One Piece, and (I believe) the only person who can take him down is Blackbeard, but only thanks to the Black Hole Fruit that he has. That's how powerful he is, and that's how powerful that devil fruit is. It has nothing to do with Whitebeard being weak or old, ignorant or anything else… and I'm sure we will see just how motherf*cking powerful he is compared to the rest of the world in this war.
VOTE FOR THE STRONGEST MAN IN THE WORLD
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Well, you may agree with the theory that BB beats WB, but I don't agree with your reasons.
Whitebeard IS the strongest man in the world. That's not just an outdated title, it's a fact. He is the closest one to One Piece, and (I believe) the only person who can take him down is Blackbeard, but only thanks to the Black Hole Fruit that he has. That's how powerful he is, and that's how powerful that devil fruit is. It has nothing to do with Whitebeard being weak or old, ignorant or anything else… and I'm sure we will see just how motherf*cking powerful he is compared to the rest of the world in this war.
You're right BB is a BAMF now and has IMO the strength to take WB down. It's unclear if WB has a DF or not cause if he hasn't any DF then BB will become useless unless he shows a strong haki and unblievable brute strength. My reasons are more abstract. Shanks warned WB not to send ace chasing BB but the old man wouldn't listen. He is indirectly responsible for the situation we have now. There are 2 possibilities:
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He is so strong that he can allow himself to live by his own rules and be blind to what happens around him.
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He is really strong and became (as a consequence of this power) overconfident and need his ass to be wiped. I mean he is only taking advices from people who are as old as him or older? I think that he were too long labeled as the strongest man and has too long benefit of his legendary status. Many hints shows us that a new era is about to begin and i speculate that with the fall of WB and the fall of some Marine admirals the whole world will be shaken.
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SSSUUUUUUUUUUUUPPPPAAAAAAAA~~~~!!!
The coming war is going to be SSSSUUUUUUUPPPPAAAAA! So let's get hyped about it and bash our faces against our keyboards!!! rgcdracd!! OW!
How is the shit going to hit the fan, folks? Whitebeard is going to retaliate, but is he going to personally leave the New World to do it? And if he does, will the other Yonkou be able to take his territory? We already know that the incident on Banaro island (with BB and Ace fighting) was supposed to trigger a massive event, so I think WB will actually leave…!
Is Blackbeard waiting for Whitebeard? Will Dragon sit by and watch? And how will Garp and the shit going on with the Rayleigh mix into it!
GOGOGOGOGO!! (and don't forget to be SSSUUUPPAAAA)
man i just read this and hav to go 4 a run, why do persit in makin me hyperrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr….........
but yeah its gona be sweet, i cant imagine how many chapters this'll take to complete, my answer................alot
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Thankfully, we now have confirmation that, with the possible exception of Jinbei, all of the Shichibukai will be present (in the latest chapter, Sengoku said that they have confirmation from six of the Shichibukai that they will participate). With the Admirals thrown in, and Shanks possibly helping out Whitebeard, this is going to be just plain chaotic.
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You're right BB is a BAMF now and has IMO the strength to take WB down. It's unclear if WB has a DF or not cause if he hasn't any DF then BB will become useless unless he shows a strong haki and unblievable brute strength. My reasons are more abstract. Shanks warned WB not to send ace chasing BB but the old man wouldn't listen. He is indirectly responsible for the situation we have now. There are 2 possibilities:
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He is so strong that he can allow himself to live by his own rules and be blind to what happens around him.
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He is really strong and became (as a consequence of this power) overconfident and need his ass to be wiped. I mean he is only taking advices from people who are as old as him or older? I think that he were too long labeled as the strongest man and has too long benefit of his legendary status. Many hints shows us that a new era is about to begin and i speculate that with the fall of WB and the fall of some Marine admirals the whole world will be shaken.
Cool, now I agree with you completely – it's those two possibilities. I hope that it's #1, with the exception being Blackbeard and the Black Hole Fruit. I think if it wasn't for that, nobody could stop him. I bet that before he dies, we'll find out the true reason why he didn't get One Piece in all that time (at least I hope)
Thankfully, we now have confirmation that, with the possible exception of Jinbei, all of the Shichibukai will be present (in the latest chapter, Sengoku said that they have confirmation from six of the Shichibukai that they will participate). With the Admirals thrown in, and Shanks possibly helping out Whitebeard, this is going to be just plain chaotic.
HELL YEAH!
I am AMAZED that 6 of them are going to show up! That shows how much influence the World Government has over the Shichibukai when it really comes down to it. Impressive!! Although maybe it has less to do with the W.G. authority and more to do with the chance to kill Whitebeard?
man i just read this and hav to go 4 a run, why do persit in makin me hyperrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr….........
DON~!! Your hyperness just barely made me hyper too~!!! SSSUUUUUUUPPPAAAAAA~~~
But instead of going for a run, I'm going to go to sleep!! YEAH!
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Thankfully, we now have confirmation that, with the possible exception of Jinbei, all of the Shichibukai will be present (in the latest chapter, Sengoku said that they have confirmation from six of the Shichibukai that they will participate). With the Admirals thrown in, and Shanks possibly helping out Whitebeard, this is going to be just plain chaotic.
i think if shanks or some other emperor shows up to help whitebeard then the shichibukai will abandon the world government and let whitebeard destroy the marine forces. the main reason why they chose to be shichibukai was so that the marines would get off their back and they could do anything they wanted. if whitebeard destroys the marines then why would they stick with the world government? the only one that is said to be loyal to the world government is kuma and he just helped the strawhats escape death. if the shichibukai get the chance they will destroy the marines so they stop being a thorn on their side. just imagine a world where the marines main powers are destroyed, all the pirates in the world would be able to do anything. don flamingo would probably prefer that scenario and i wouldn't be surprised to see him betray the world government when it comes time to fight.
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Whitebeard vs Marines. Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that the Marines gonna win. Even without the Shichibukai, the Marines should be on par with WB.
This is what I think will happen in the future. WB will send two waves of attack. One to the Impel Down and one to the Mariejoa. The attack in Impel Down will consist of Marco (first division captain of WB pirates) and some New World pirates under WB. Their motive is to free Ace. The next wave of attack will consist of Whitebeard pirates and others New world pirates in Mariejoa. The motive is to cause confusion and to separate some of the Marine main force and Shichibukai from Impel Down. WB pirates will fight against Sengoku, Kizaru, Aokiji, Akainu, Kuma, Doflamingo, Moria, and Mihawk. While Marco crews will fight against Jinbei, Blackbeard, Garp, and Momonga. Hancock just going to be a bystander.
That's it, no Shanks, no Dragon, and there will be no obvious winner for sure.
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Whitebeard vs Marines. Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that the Marines gonna win. Even without the Shichibukai, the Marines should be on par with WB.
:blink: don't think that marines alone will be enough to fight against Whitebeard.
from onepiece.wikia "They are one of the 3 great powers, the other being the Shichibukai and Marines and live quite literally as though they are Emperors, doing mostly as they please. For the World Government, these are the greatest pirate threats in the world. It is only the combined efforts of the Marines and the Shichibukai that keeps their power in check"
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i think if shanks or some other emperor shows up to help whitebeard then the shichibukai will abandon the world government and let whitebeard destroy the marine forces. the main reason why they chose to be shichibukai was so that the marines would get off their back and they could do anything they wanted. if whitebeard destroys the marines then why would they stick with the world government? the only one that is said to be loyal to the world government is kuma and he just helped the strawhats escape death. if the shichibukai get the chance they will destroy the marines so they stop being a thorn on their side. just imagine a world where the marines main powers are destroyed, all the pirates in the world would be able to do anything. don flamingo would probably prefer that scenario and i wouldn't be surprised to see him betray the world government when it comes time to fight.
Then along comes Dragon..and blows the WG away. I like this theory of yours. Shanks joins in. Other Pirates from the New World join in. The WG unleashes the Pacifista's….so this could turn into a really...epic war. This is gonna be sooo awesome...
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Then along comes Dragon..and blows the WG away. I like this theory of yours. Shanks joins in. Other Pirates from the New World join in. The WG unleashes the Pacifista's….so this could turn into a really...epic war. This is gonna be sooo awesome...
your sarcasm is epic
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I just wonder where Luffy is going to fit into all this.. Will Impel Down be attacked and the Ex-Baroque Works members get into this epic WAARR!!!.
I just don't know what to think.. All the big-guys around the world are meeting at the WG triangle stronghold.. THIS IS GOING TO BE SO EPIC. I would personally love to see an Ao Kiji VS. Whitebeard fight. Ao Kiji was dubbed Marines most powerful weapon… so.. Damn, I just can't stop thinking....
I just hope Jinbei calms down and doesn't get knocked out before the WAR, we need ALL OF THEM IN THIS BATTLE.. AND MORIA IS GONNA KICK SOMEONE'S ASS!! He just has too. I honestly don't care who, just someone.. One of Whitebeard's no-name commanders is gonna become a zombie out there.
Calm Down time /ends rant.
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the one thing i don't like is majority of you overplaying this war. Like Revolutionaries are all gonna show up. Shanks is gonna be there. and many other wild imaginations (barouque works, croc rejoining, ect)
we are roughly half way in story supposedly, and haven't even reached the new world yet. If everything you want to happens what is left in the new world. What just merrily travel the waters and find raftel. You guys make it sound like this War is the final arc in one piece. Sure this is the start of war, but wars are more than just one fight. there are tons of battles. don't expect this whitebeard/wg thing to be over in one arc.
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True, who knows most of it may end up happening off screen. Though it's quite doubtful and it'd be pretty lame too.
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True, who knows most of it may end up happening off screen. Though it's quite doubtful and it'd be pretty lame too.
I use to be confident in that the bulk of this war was gonna happen off screen and we'd only see the important things Oda wanted us to see while also purposely leaving out certain parts to further the plot but with Luffy's reversal on his initial decision I wouldn't be surprised if Oda dragged this out in to every possible nuance.
I'm actually fine with either one.
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the one thing i don't like is majority of you overplaying this war. Like Revolutionaries are all gonna show up. Shanks is gonna be there. and many other wild imaginations (barouque works, croc rejoining, ect)
we are roughly half way in story supposedly, and haven't even reached the new world yet. If everything you want to happens what is left in the new world. What just merrily travel the waters and find raftel. You guys make it sound like this War is the final arc in one piece. Sure this is the start of war, but wars are more than just one fight. there are tons of battles. don't expect this whitebeard/wg thing to be over in one arc.
Well i guess that this war has a huge hype around it because the new era will possibly begins after it. I mean a top tier fighter will maybe loose his life / title / position during this war. And we are all excited to see who it will be? And how this will happens. And i'm personally excited to see how the other captains of WB's crew fight and what kind of skills they have. (shanks wanted marco to join his crew lol he must be really strong. But maybe that it was a joke well we'll see)
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the one thing i don't like is majority of you overplaying this war. Like Revolutionaries are all gonna show up. Shanks is gonna be there. and many other wild imaginations (barouque works, croc rejoining, ect)
we are roughly half way in story supposedly, and haven't even reached the new world yet. If everything you want to happens what is left in the new world. What just merrily travel the waters and find raftel. You guys make it sound like this War is the final arc in one piece. Sure this is the start of war, but wars are more than just one fight. there are tons of battles. don't expect this whitebeard/wg thing to be over in one arc.
the one piece world is going to change after this war. it's either going to become a pirates world since the marines will be wiped out or the world government will have the upper hand in the world and will start taking out powerful pirates. i would prefer an age where the pirates are the ones who hold the power in the grand line. i'm sure there would be a split in pirates who follow their dreams like luffy and black beard and pirates who want a new era like don flamingo. it would be cool to see the 2nd half of one piece be about the war that will most likely break out among pirates. with that said i'm sure the world government will come back strong at some point even if they are wiped out in this war. after all they have dr vegapunk and his technology to bring them back.
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I think there's alot more to go after this.
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I can't imagine him not showing up in the next 3-5 chapters.
I just wonder what kind of a role he will play and how strong he is.
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i wonder how long this threat will last…
love lockdown :happy:
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It's not that he doesn't have a point though. With a huge war in the making it would be silly if a revolutionist wouldn't use the situation to his advantage.
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I think his actions depend mainly on whether or not Ace is related to the family. If he is truly his son then direct involvement from Dragon wouldn't be surprising. However if he doesn't care it may be very possible that he will be arranging a coup d'etat in some country far away when the WG is distracted with the war.
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I think his actions depend mainly on whether or not Ace is related to the family. If he is truly his son then direct involvement from Dragon wouldn't be surprising. However if he doesn't care it may be very possible that he will be arranging a coup d'etat in some country far away when the WG is distracted with the war.
Even if they are/were unrelated, its a sweet time to attack for a revolutionary, since the WG already has its hands full with the pirates.
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me also agrees, it's the perfect moment… maybe it will be sth like this - WG vs. Whitebeard, it doesn't matter who will win, the point is that WG either way will be weak. so the best moment IMO is after fight with Withebeard...
BTW - why this discussion can't be in chapter discussion or some other theories thread?
The only reason for walking into the jaws of Death is so's you can steal his gold teeth.
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Even if they are/were unrelated, its a sweet time to attack for a revolutionary, since the WG already has its hands full with the pirates.
I don't think Dragon is seeking to attack the WG directly but more of a divide and conquer throughout the territories the WG occupies. The odds of him having any effect on the attack on MarineFord/Marijoya may be negligible when considering what will be happening in the next few days. It would be more advantageous for his cause to have well timed rebellions in different islands and expel the WG there while they are busy at the RedLine.
Once again, assuming that Dragon has no/little affiliation with Ace.
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Indeed, discussions of Dragon's involvement in the coming war fit perfectly here, especially since I mentioned the question of it in the very first post.
I hope that he will, although I must say I haven't seen any real hints from Oda that he will.
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blackbeard took out the third strongest fihter of the whithbeard pirates: ace. so why are there so many marines coming to fight. 3 admirals, at least 5 shishibucai ( i don't count boa and jimbei)
1 is it because whitebeard himself is 100 times stronger than ace
2 they want to make no losses on their side.
3 the expact that maybe dragon, shanks or other strong pirates coming as well?this is the firts time i start a threat and my english is not that good
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sending to a groundbreaking war against your strongest opponent NOT your full fighting force would be more than idiotic…
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Other then Newgate himself being the world's strongest man, he still has 1.600 (was that the correct amount?) crewmates at his command. Of course not all of them are uber strong but the devision commanders (of which he has 16!) should be able to put up quite a fight. As De Flamingo pointed out, this is a war, so if Whitebeard comes with everything he has, you better prepare everything you have also.
Furthermore, Sengoku received the report that other pirates are moving in the New World also. So there is a big unknown about what those guys will do. Will they take the chance to take down their rival Whitebeard? Or will they rather join up with him to take down the WG? As a military strategist you need to prepare for such situations. After all right now is the time, where the forces that make the balance of the world are going to clash together.
Btw, this too belongs in the "Waaaaaarr" thread.
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2 they want to make no losses on their side.
Would u want losses if u was in their possition?
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Thing I'll do if I become and Evil Overlord, #80:
-If my weakest troops fail to eliminate a hero, I will send out my best troops instead of wasting time with progressively stronger ones as he gets closer and closer to my fortress
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that you send strong troops is logical but so many is that not a little overkill?
if blackbeard can take out ace on his one.(probebly he is with is crew so there are 5 strong fighters) smoker is there and i would consider him as strong as ace. so it is likely that there are more of the same caliber of smoker.
i think it is only nessecairy if there are power full alleis of whitebeard.
dragon would be halped to team up with whitebeard . as he is tring to overtrow the worldgevernement
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It is war against the strongest man in the world and his 1600 men. Why wouldn't they give everything. Read Garp's final line in chapter 524 and you'll get even more of an understanding.
Blackbeard was able to beat Ace, that is true, but it was a one on one battle and not an entire war. Ace mayhave lost to Blackbeard, but I can't imagine Blackbeard beating 16 people that are generally as strong as him at once.The marine doesn't take easy on this, and we'll probably see why in the upcoming chapters.
Besides, they're gonna need filials of troups, since they don't know where Whitebeard is gonna' strike. They have no idea when or where the attack will be, so they must prepare for every aspect with enough men to stand tall no matter where it happens.
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I've been thinking, what if Whitebeard isn't charging straight into the trap, but has his own strategy in place?
Now that they have destroyed the scoutships of the Marines, there is no one left who can report on his moves. So it is possible that he's splitting his forces. He sends his main forces to Marineford as a decoy, while himself and perhaps a few elite others head out to Impel Down.
From the Enies Lobby arc we know that you can get within half an hour from one Gate to the next and it's very likely that the Marines will only bring Ace just before the execution time to Marineford to give Whitebeard as little a window of opportunity as possible. So when WB's fleet is still an hour from Marineford and they send for Ace to be brought there is when WB himself attacks.
He overwhelms Ace's guards as they are about to bring him onto the ship and before they can use a Dendenmushi to call for help and uses the ship himself to sail from Impel Down to Marineford. There, the Marines open the other Gate for him and he sails straight past Sengoku waving merrily to meet up with his fleet which is just arriving.
Atleast that could be his plan, no doubt Luffy would ruin it XDGorlak wants you for the army
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I'm not that surprised that there is so many marines but that made me thinking .. What if Dragon (or others) takes advantage of the situation and invade unguarded marine bases ?
PS: by unguarded I meant without their strongest fighters.
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I've been thinking, what if Whitebeard isn't charging straight into the trap, but has his own strategy in place?
Now that they have destroyed the scoutships of the Marines, there is no one left who can report on his moves. So it is possible that he's splitting his forces. He sends his main forces to Marineford as a decoy, while himself and perhaps a few elite others head out to Impel Down.I'd call that the pure definition of suicide. If he sends his main forces minus himself as some elite fighters to Marineford, where Marine legends from all over the world aswell as the Shichibukai are gathering, they have zero chance of winning. Which means he practically sends the majority of his forces to death for the sake of preventing the death of one single crewmate. Doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it.
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I'd call that the pure definition of suicide. If he sends his main forces minus himself as some elite fighters to Marineford, where Marine legends from all over the world aswell as the Shichibukai are gathering, they have zero chance of winning. Which means he practically sends the majority of his forces to death for the sake of preventing the death of one single crewmate. Doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it.
Of course it doesn't make sense if you don't understand what I said. I said that Whitebeard would arrive at the same time at Marineford as the decoys would. They wouldn't land at all and there would be no fight at Marineford or let's say little, since the Marines might send a few ships to pursue WB.
Gorlak wants you for the army
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They wouldn't land at all and there would be no fight at Marineford or let's say little, since the Marines might send a few ships to pursue WB.
Wouldn't then the decoy's have failed the mission if the Marines would pursue Whitebeard? And even if it's not the main force, the Marines would be retarded to not go for the decoys because that way they can drastically cut down Whitebeards forces. Point remains, that it doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it.
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I wonder how will be the match-ups in the upcoming war. The Wg just summons all of their strongest soldiers, and for wb, all we know is he has 1600 men with 16 division captains
1600 vs. million marines
WB vs. Kizaru then, WB vs. BB
Marco vs. Donflamingo or Mihawk or Aokiji
Jozo vs. Mihawk or Kuma
WB,1st-5th division captain Vs. Schibukai and Admirals
6th - 10th division captain vs vice admirals/commodores/captains
11th-16th division captain vs lower marine officers, coby and helmps,T-Bone
and each division also has strong fighter aside from their commander, so that will be the match-up for jango and fullbody.
prediction: WG wins but ace will be rescued.
wildcard: Luffy vs. Kuma or Sentoumaru(time for revenge)but
add shanks or dragon to the equation, WB will win.
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Wouldn't then the decoy's have failed the mission if the Marines would pursue Whitebeard? And even if it's not the main force, the Marines would be retarded to not go for the decoys because that way they can drastically cut down Whitebeards forces. Point remains, that it doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it.
The decoys would have done their job if they manage to keep the attention of everyone in Marineford on them. Sengoku specifically mentioned that they have to be vigilant against Whitebeard striking at Impel Down, however once the decoy is in sight no one will think that Whitebeard might still strike at Impel Down.
I've said twice already that the decoys won't have to fight without Whitebeard. The decoy won't even leave their ship. They'll just sail to Marineford, meet up with WB again and then sail back all right in front of the Marines who were waiting for them to land.Gorlak wants you for the army
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I've said twice already that the decoys won't have to fight without Whitebeard. The decoy won't even leave their ship. They'll just sail to Marineford, meet up with WB again and then sail back all right in front of the Marines who were waiting for them to land.
I know that you said that. But what you seem to forget is that with guys that can freeze the see or travel at the speed of light and shot laser beams that destroy entire mangroves the decoys can easily be squashed from the distance. To be a working decoy, you need to let the enemy see you. And the Marine has the forces to crush things within their sight from a distance. So yeah, they would be pretty much toast if they don't have the protection of top tiers.
I wonder how will be the match-ups in the upcoming war. The Wg just summons all of their strongest soldiers, and for wb, all we know is he has 1600 men with 16 division captains
1600 vs. million marinesWhat I actually wonder is how that divisions are organized. I mean is all of his top tiers a division commander or does Newgate have his own division with a set of powerhouses who don't command any division?
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Here I will place all the people in this war. And its up to you guys to make matchups for these guys.
My Matchups.
Luffy vs A Vice admiral- Luffy Barely wins.
Kizaru vs Luffy- Kizaru is about to kill Luffy until Rayleigh/ comes in and saves him.
Kizaru vs Rayleigh- Shanks or Rayleigh wins.
Mihawk vs Shanks- Mihawk barely wins.
Moria vs Kaidou- Kaidou rapes the hell out of him.
Whitebeard vs Blackbeard- Whitebeard.
Sengoku and Aokiji vs Whitbeards Division Captains.
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wat.
there's more than the 9 strawhats fighting in the war. and i really doubt any of the strawhats will have a major fight in this arc. Assuming any of the others besides Luffy even appear during the war, they'd be off helping luffy rescue ace.
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I was going to name all the fighters. But I was to Lazy to name all of them so I erased them all and place my own matchups Sry about that.
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