what? no buggy in the choices? he has the most chance to come back i think (from old villains category)
Already did. Well, maybe again. But, I don't reckon Buggy is quite the NW material.
what? no buggy in the choices? he has the most chance to come back i think (from old villains category)
Already did. Well, maybe again. But, I don't reckon Buggy is quite the NW material.
You'll be surprised.
You'll be surprised.
Maybe. It's Oda afterall. That being said, the only possible reason or excuse for Buggy's return now seems to be his connection to Rogers (and, speculatively, to Raftel?) and Shanks. Yes, he does want to catch up to Luffy, but it seems like a long shot. He doesn't look powerful enough to be in the NW.
That being said, who would have thought Hatchan would be in GL. No, wait - that kinda makes sense. His home is in GL.
Well, I'm not gonna bet on Buggy's return. But, predicting Oda is tougher than making a Sea King lactate.
I don't think that there are weak people among Shanks crew and he wanted Buggy to join him.
I don't think that there are weak people among Shanks crew and he wanted Buggy to join him.
That was when he was starting out, or had just started out.
Even Luffy invited Gaimon (is this canon?) and Vivi to join his crew.
Quick edit: Buggy's return, if happens, would me most likely be for comical relief. If he has to make a serious appearance, then he needs a major power-up …something like Coby.
yes but even at that time Shanks was equal to Mihawk or what did you mean by: That was when he was starting out, or had just started out.
Yes but even at that time Shanks was equal to Mihawk_._
Really? Thanks Oda! I never knew that since you hadn't confirmed that in the manga yet. Is this an SBS?
yes but even at that time Shanks was equal to Mihawk or what did you mean by: That was when he was starting out, or had just started out.
See, I have no real evidence for or against this. But Shanks and Buggy were quite young when Roger's execution took place. If I remember correctly, then Shanks said something along the line of "I am starting my own crew, come join my crew, Buggy." An offer Buggy vehemently refuses.
Now, I believe that Roger surrendered not too long after the Roger Pirates disbanded. Then, probably, Shanks didn't have a crew of his own at the time of roger's execution. Or, had a very small crew.
And, about Mihawk, we don't know since when Shanks and him have been competing. We know there have been countless bouts between them. But, we don't know for how long. It's been 22 years since Roger's execution. That's quite a long time, no?
Shanks and Mihawk mentioned their old sword fights when they met right after Luffy's first bounty, (Where Mihawk said he didn't want to fight a one armed man anymore) and were mentioned again by Whitebeard as great stuff when Shanks visited to try and save Ace.
Mihawk has the title "world's greatest swordsman" by the narrator, so thus he's oviosully better than a one armed Shanks, but its been basically stated more than once that Shanks and Mihawk clashed swords a lot when they were younger. Obviously, they were nearly equal if they had a lot of fights, enough to even develop a friendly rivalry that ended when Shanks lost his arm. They're still drinking buddies though. "Equal" is just a quick shorthand for "fought at lot back in the day and considered each other a match."
@Xai:
And, about Mihawk, we don't know since when Shanks and him have been competing. We know there have been countless bouts between them. But, we don't know for how long. It's been 22 years since Roger's execution. That's quite a long time, no?
Well we know that their countless fight were when Shanks was a Jolly Roger Pirate.
@Robby
I agree with you.
@Xai:
See, I have no real evidence for or against this. But Shanks and Buggy were quite young when Roger's execution took place. If I remember correctly, then Shanks said something along the line of "I am starting my own crew, come join my crew, Buggy." An offer Buggy vehemently refuses.
You are referring to Chapter 434:
[Flashback]
Shanks: Come with me, Buggy!!Buggy: I'd rather die than work for you, jerkwad!!!
While he doesn't say he is going to start a crew, we know that the Roger's Pirate Crew disbanded one or two years prior to his execution, right? Assuming Shanks started his own crew immediately afterward, he would have been a rookie for a good amount of time, and was obviously not wanted or renowned enough to be visibly identified at Roger's execution. Given that, and the fact that Shanks has been a Captain for at least 20 odd years, I would say that he asked this of Buggy "when he was starting off". You pretty much say that in the rest of your post, I am just backing you up.
@robbybevard:
Mihawk has the title "world's greatest swordsman" by the narrator, so thus he's obviously better than a one armed Shanks
Except that Oda stated in an SBS that Shanks with one arm hasn't lost any power, and Mihawk in the manga claimed that he "isn't interested in fighting Shanks anymore". I doubt Shanks cares for a title of "World's Greatest Swordsman", and since they no longer battle each other, it can be assumed that Mihawk had the lead but never actually defeated Shanks. Since Shanks is said to be just as powerful as when he had two arms, that point is moot.
@robbybevard:
Its been basically stated more than once that Shanks and Mihawk clashed swords a lot when they were younger.
True, but "when" they had these clashes is not stated. We know when "they were younger". I was younger before I started typing this because I get older every passing moment. Roger was excecuted 22 years ago, so anywhere in that time frame could have been when Shanks rose to the challenge of Mihawk. More than likely once he was an established captain, which would have been after the execution since obviously no one recognized Shanks at the execution itself. You would think Marines were on the lookout for pirates with bounties, and Shanks wasn't exactly shown hiding.
Well we know that their countless fight were when Shanks was a Jolly Roger Pirate.
How? How do we know this? If we do know this, show me proof. If you can do that then I will drop this defense entirely and concede to your point.
True, but "when" they had these clashes is not stated. We know when "they were younger". I was younger before I started typing this because I get older every passing moment. Roger was excecuted 22 years ago, so anywhere in that time frame could have been when Shanks rose to the challenge of Mihawk. More than likely once he was an established captain, which would have been after the execution since obviously no one recognized Shanks at the execution itself. You would think Marines were on the lookout for pirates with bounties, and Shanks wasn't exactly shown hiding.
It is obvious that Shanks and Mihawk fought/sparred atleast 10 years ago or more. This can be assumed from Mihawk not wanting to fight Shanks in his one armed state now.
Shanks lost his arm around 10 years ago give or take some months, weeks, and days on Luffy's island.
Furthermore, we don't know Shanks or Mihawk strength at the time or Shanks was a yonkou and if Mihawk was a shichibukai at the time. It could've easily been 2 young, up and coming pirates crossing paths and enjoying their battles, which eventually became infamous.
I'm laughing at the people who answer Tenryuken. I could feel my Intelligence Quotient drop while reading his posts.
Edit:
@Taily-sama:
No we don't
Originally Posted by Tenryuken
Well we know that their countless fight were when Shanks was a Jolly Roger Pirate.There is nothing even pointing to this.
LOL
Well we know that their countless fight were when Shanks was a Jolly Roger Pirate.
No we don't
There is nothing even pointing to this.
No we don't
There is nothing even pointing to this.
WB said this when they were talking about the time when Shanks was on Old Jackson.
WB said this when they were talking about the time when Shanks was on Old Jackson.
No. WB said that the famous contests between Shanks and Mihawk were "recent" compared to his old days with Roger, Garp, etc.
http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemangav-2/volume45.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=36052
@Xai:
No. WB said that the famous contests between Shanks and Mihawk were "recent" compared to his old days with Roger, Garp, etc.
http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemangav-2/volume45.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=36052
Apparently you are right.
Shanks started his fights against Mihawk when he was a Captain.
AARRRGGGG!!!!! Now I don't think that Mihawk was a WB Pirate, too bad for my theory.
I don't think that there are weak people among Shanks crew and he wanted Buggy to join him.
1. How do you know that?
2. Buggy isn't all that weak.
2. Buggy isn't all that weak.
This may be my personal opinion, but Buggy ain't nothing special. He's a scrub compared to most of the opponents SH have had in the past.
@Xai:
This may be my personal opinion, but Buggy ain't nothing special. He's a scrub compared to most of the opponents SH have had in the past.
True, but people forget compared to the horde of fodder marines and pirates he's pretty strong. One of the strongest people in the East Blue(Back when he was there, of course). He's quite a bit stronger than the average human being, but nothing compared to the likes of crocodile and Lucci. People talk about EB villians like some gibbering mess in the corner.
True, but people forget compared to the horde of fodder marines and pirates he's pretty strong. One of the strongest people in the East Blue(Back when he was there, of course). He's quite a bit stronger than the average human being, but nothing compared to the likes of crocodile and Lucci. People talk about EB villians like some gibbering mess in the corner.
First off, comparing any villain to marine/pirate foot-soldiers is useless. Buggy might be weak, but he is still a pirate captain. By default, he should be more powerful than the generic pirate or marine low-rankers.
Forget Croc and Lucci. I would go so far as to say that Buggy was not as powerful as Don Kreig.
I like the character, though. He is a nice comic relief for a villain.
To me Buggy's like team rocket of pokemon. Except that Buggy's encounter with Luffy isnt that frequent as team rocket's encounter with Ash
I believe that Buggy and his crew will be forced to become reluctant allies with the Straw Hats and whatever other good guys that are around at the end of the series during whatever the final battle will be.
Actually of those listed in the poll options i don't see anyone necesseraly showing up again.
Buggy and smoker are the ones where it would be disappointing if they don't show up again. But from those, hmmm…all their stories are basically solved, maybe arlong would be nice since we didn't have a coverstory from him.
2. Buggy isn't all that weak.
That was my point.
@Xai:
First off, comparing any villain to marine/pirate foot-soldiers is useless. Buggy might be weak, but he is still a pirate captain. By default, he should be more powerful than the generic pirate or marine low-rankers.
Forget Croc and Lucci. I would go so far as to say that Buggy was not as powerful as Don Kreig.
I like the character, though. He is a nice comic relief for a villain.
If Buggy would face Don Krieg I am pretty sure he would win.
If Buggy would face Don Krieg I am pretty sure he would win.
It's speculative. One might say that Buggy having a DF makes him stronger one-on-one. And, his sub-ordinates are pretty good for East Blue (which is the weakest of all the seas). In spite of that, its Don Krieg who is considered to be the most powerful pirate of the East Blue. Maybe becasue of his huge fleet. My argument would be that since Buggy has been around for some time (we can assume with some degree of certainty that Buggy had formed a crew not too long after Roger's execution), he would have been quite well known in East Blue. If he was stronger than Kreig at that point, then Kreig wouldn't have been considered the greatest pirate from EB. It's not too strong a point, but I am assuming that since Buggy has been around for quite some time, he had had enough time to prove his notoreity in EB.
@Xai:
It's speculative. One might say that Buggy having a DF makes him stronger one-on-one. And, his sub-ordinates are pretty good for East Blue (which is the weakest of all the seas). In spite of that, its Don Krieg who is considered to be the most powerful pirate of the East Blue. Maybe becasue of his huge fleet. My argument would be that since Buggy has been around for some time (we can assume with some degree of certainty that Buggy had formed a crew not too long after Roger's execution), he would have been quite well known in East Blue. If he was stronger than Kreig at that point, then Kreig wouldn't have been considered the greatest pirate from EB. It's not too strong a point, but I am assuming that since Buggy has been around for quite some time, he had had enough time to prove his notoreity in EB.
Notoreity doesn't mean strenght.
Don Krieg is considered to be the most powerful pirate of the East Blue but I am pretty sure Buggy is stronger than him, so does Arlong too.
Notoreity doesn't mean strenght.
Don Krieg is considered to be the most powerful pirate of the East Blue but I am pretty sure Buggy is stronger than him, so does Arlong too.
Maybe. Arlong has my vote. Buggy? I'm not too sure. Kreig was a crafty fella (okay, so was Buggy, to a certain extent). Huge fleet. Gin. Reputed to be the strongest pirate in EB. East Blue, in itself, is considered to be the weakest. So even the most powerful EB pirate would be minnows when compared to GL standards. Yes, there are exceptions. Arlong (who came from GL, so him being strong is not a surprise) and SH crew.
Buggy also came from GL.
Yes. Still he is more of a scrub. Although, he did make it all the way to Loguetown (with Alvida's help).
Buggy might have some important role to play in the future, but as a combatant, he is mediocre at best.
Yes but he has the ability to be a lot stronger, his DF is a bit Logia-like and I assume he can use Haki like Silvers and Shanks.
I don't think Buggy wanted world fame, it's more like Luffy made him go back to GL.
Buggy wanted to be PK just to have the world's treasures or something… Can't remember.
He was likely building up his treasure horde, going from town to town in the East blue and planned to eventually go to the Grand Line when he had enough. Revenge against Luffy for interupting his dream of owning the world's treasures and defeating him has seen him go to the Grand Line again.
Why Buggy is strong indeed, he is the opposite of Shanks:
-unfamous against famous.
-Greedy against adventure lover.
-Devil Fruit user against Haki user.
-Enemy of Luffy against friend of Luffy.
There are a few more, but considering I can barelyt see my keyboard to type (lights off - its halloween and I'm offically "not at home" for the trick or treaters) I am struggling to type suddenly with a dodgy keyboard that skips a letter for every ten I type on it.
Right now, considering Buggy is on of Oda's fav.s he is the only one likely to return. Even if only for a brief mess-up again.
On this hopefully brief Kreig vs. Buggy thing, I think Buggy would win for this reason. He, despite all logic, has survived on the Grandline for far longer then Kreig did. So, I imagine that whatever Buggy's doing now would put him over in a fight.
Also, in crew vs. crew, doesn't Buggy have the advantage of those super powerful Buggy balls? Ship vs. ship Buggy's probably one of the strongest on the seas.
Also, I repeat Kreig has little chance of returning.
On this hopefully brief Kreig vs. Buggy thing, I think Buggy would win for this reason. He, despite all logic, has survived on the Grandline for far longer then Kreig did. So, I imagine that whatever Buggy's doing now would put him over in a fight.
Also, in crew vs. crew, doesn't Buggy have the advantage of those super powerful Buggy balls? Ship vs. ship Buggy's probably one of the strongest on the seas.
Also, I repeat Kreig has little chance of returning.
I think Buggy would win but the only reason he's last longer in the GL is because unlike Krieg he hasn't run in to a shichibukai who would most likely have pwned Buggy unless he happened to know them. the only dangerous person Buggy has met is Ace and he lucked out in not getting demolished by him and basuically was too scared to do anything.
If his log pose happened to be the same as the SHs. I'd guarantee he'd be dead either by meeting Doflamingo(or any other pirate in Mocktown, hell even Bellamy) or Aokiji.
That was my point.
If Buggy would face Don Krieg I am pretty sure he would win.
I agree Don Krieg relies on weapons and numbers not his own strength
Don is still pretty strong. He was much more impressive than Buggy was, and his arsenal along with his strength could take care of him very well. Now, I doubt he'd come back though….possibly Gin though, since those were his last word to the Straw Hats.
99% buggy return, 1% for Don
Foxy with another game with a better crew. Heck, he may have even captured Buggy or Morgan. Maybe even Don Krieg.
You make it sound like buggy is as weak as morgan. Buggy is the strongest out of all of those and with buggy's df, foxy would certainly have the most trouble with him. In fact, buggy would dominate foxy.
I agree Don Krieg relies on weapons and numbers not his own strength
That's stupid like saying Zoro isn't strong he relies on weapons.
That's stupid like saying Zoro isn't strong he relies on weapons.
using weapons and relying on weapons aren't the same thing.
That's stupid like saying Zoro isn't strong he relies on weapons.
no thats stupid. Zoro dosn't relie on his sword, and Mister Zero never said he did
I'd say Arlong and Buggy would have the most chance of returning. They have actually had parts later on in the story. Arlong was involved with a sichibukai, and Buggy actually started his adventure on the grandline. While Arlong is more likely to be a cameo, Buggy may actually be a contender for a real villian. Keep in mind that if Buggy reappears he would have had to fight his way through the grand line, and would be a lot stronger.
Crocodile, hands down. He was, by far, the coolest villain.
Enel was cool, but, in my opinion, slightly overpowered and, while I liked Lucci, he's too recent a villain to come back just yet.
<sarcasm>All 3 of you who voted for Wapol will get your chance to see him in movie 9 which, I'm sure, will be just as good as movie 6 was</sarcasm>
Crocodile, hands down. He was, by far, the coolest villain.
Enel was cool, but, in my opinion, slightly overpowered and, while I liked Lucci, he's too recent a villain to come back just yet.
Whoopsie. I thought I clicked on the "Villian returns" thread, but turns out it was the "Favourate bad guy" thread. My bad.
want arlong to return in a cover story escaping
PLEASE do not disscussion spoilers out of the spoiler thread. It ruins it.
i thort it was discreat, my bad
Thanks for editing.
I'm still not counting Enel out of the game. I have a feeling that he may return back to Earth. First off, there's really nothing else on the moon. He's revived the army and he discovered the ruins…there's not much else. It'd be cool if he were to return with his army and try to prove Luffy wrong by actually trying to conquer the Blue Sea. For all we know, it may have been foreshadowed when Oda answered that Enel's bounty would be at around 500,000,000 berries.
I also feel Crocodile may come back into the story by escaping Impel Down when the time is right, and then he may get his bounty doubled...much like how Oda explained Croc's bounty would have easily been double the amount had the WG known his plan.
What would people in the Blue Seas be able to do against Enel?