Oh no please, PLEASE bash me.
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Oh no please, PLEASE bash me.
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I don't understand why so many people keep thinking that the Shichibukai and the WG work together. Yes, there is some form of alliance, but I thought Crocodile's BW and DoFlamingo's new age of piracy were indicators that the Shichibukai aren't that interested in the WG.
The Yonkou are probably the strongest though, b/c it looks like the WG is fearing a team up of 2 pirate crews, which means that normally 1 crew is enough to worry the WG/Marines, otherwise, why haven't they captured them yet.
I do because in Garp's mouth, chapter 432, it sounds like the 2 others groups are here to refrain the 4 greatest men of the New World.
In the end, even if the Shichi. could be see as an independant group, they work for the WG. The former Youko is for me the strongest anyhow ;). Once the SHs will be in the New World, we'll know better.
can't wait for chapter 434 to come out… oh and their no longer shichibukai, they are now rokubukai... if that make sense... for they are only 6 now
Look at it this way:
There's a ceasefire between the Three Powers. The Yonkou MAY be marginally stronger than the other 2, or the other way round.
BUT we don't see them attacking each other do we?
Because that would simply cause the world to erupt into chaos. What happens if the WG spends most of their resources taking the Yonkou down, only to be beaten by a bunch of measly pirates?
That's probably what they mean when they say "the three powers in a balance"
They certainly don't have to be equal to each other.
Look at it this way:
There's a ceasefire between the Three Powers. The Yonkou MAY be marginally stronger than the other 2, or the other way round.
BUT we don't see them attacking each other do we?
Because that would simply cause the world to erupt into chaos. What happens if the WG spends most of their resources taking the Yonkou down, only to be beaten by a bunch of measly pirates?
Given all the implications of what Garp said about the WG and the Shichibukai keeping the Yonkou in check I would think that the Yonkou is most likely to be, as you say, marginally stronger. However, if any of the Yonkou actually teamed up, they may actually be strong enough to take out the WG one base at a time because their forces are all spread out.
The only vice that remains is whether or not they choose to take the initiative, which is precisely why the Gorousei are so scared about Shanks meeting with Whitebeard.
It's kind of interesting.
I initially believed that the Shichibukai worked for the WG, but they don't. They merely pay a portion of what they pillage off pirate ships to the WG in exchange for the removal of their bounty/getting marines off their backs.
Now if the WG were to get involved with the Yonkou, a backstab situation would surely follow. WG is certainly in a bad situation now. I doubt that Shanks and Whitebeard would team up though, it appears that they have different interests, and Whitebeard was frowning when he heard Shanks was here.
Well, from what we know , the WG are indeed the strongest, they are everywhere in the worl and their grip on what's known and what's not is immense, but the fact that they don't just go all out on the 4 pirate crews shows how powerful they are.
The Revs, I think are aworld power, just from the fear that the government has in them. and I can't wait to see them play yet another big role in this anime series.
Anywho, it's clear that we a cease fire inbetween the powers, and obviously they have this for a reason. for if evenone power fell, the WG thinks the wolrd would plunge into chaos.
I think that that everything will change once Luffy makes it to the new world. His name will be as big as red hair's or whitebeard's when he gets there, ahen when the wg puts a bounty on luffy there will be big new adventures awaiting the strawhats. and I can't wait for that.
@Fire Fist:
But what bothers me is that Sarquiss keeps calling him the "Big-time Rookie".
Uhhhh, that's probably just Bellamy's 'Street Name', just like 'Strawhat Luffy' and 'Saw-Tooth Arlong'.
No, because his street name is "Bellamy the Hyena".
The 3 Great powers seem to be Shichi Bukai, Marine HQ (3 Admirals) and the 4 Great Pirates and according to what Garp said Shcichi Bukai and Marine HQ have to work together to control the 4 Great Pirates
This means that 4 Great Pirates = Shichi Bukai and Marine HQ together
At least that's the impression I got
The 3 Great powers seem to be Shichi Bukai, Marine HQ (3 Admirals) and the 4 Great Pirates and according to what Garp said Shcichi Bukai and Marine HQ have to work together to control the 4 Great Pirates
This means that 4 Great Pirates = Shichi Bukai and Marine HQ together
At least that's the impression I got
From Stephen's Scripts:
Mihawk: "Marine Headquarters" and "Seven Armed Seas"… two conflicting groups of equal power
holding a "round table" is a meaningless thing.
Conflicting. Not together.
The 3 Great powers seem to be Shichi Bukai, Marine HQ (3 Admirals) and the 4 Great Pirates and according to what Garp said Shcichi Bukai and Marine HQ have to work together to control the 4 Great Pirates
This means that 4 Great Pirates = Shichi Bukai and Marine HQ together
At least that's the impression I got
That is exactly what I think too.
Altough my favorite 3 of them is Shichibukai´s.
@Fire Fist:
From Stephen's Scripts:
Mihawk: "Marine Headquarters" and "Seven Armed Seas"… two conflicting groups of equal power
holding a "round table" is a meaningless thing.Conflicting. Not together.
I know that but what I meant to say is that the power of Shcihi Bukai and Marine HQ together is equal to the 4 Great Pirates power
From Stephen's Scripts:
Garp: It is only Marine Headquarters and the Seven Armed Seas that can withstand their might!!
These "Three Great Powers" form a precarious balance that keeps the world from destruction, lest it fall.
Not sure if this prove what I tried to explain but it's always a good try
The reason why the Shcihi Bukai are considered one of the 3 Great powers is easy to explain it's because the Shichi Bukai can change sides at anytime (if they what to)
@FFA:
From Stephen's Scripts:
Mihawk: "Marine Headquarters" and "Seven Armed Seas"… two conflicting groups of equal power
holding a "round table" is a meaningless thing.Conflicting. Not together.
Sometimes, you can't take words litteraly and you need to use your brain .
I understand conflicting in interests. Even if the WG is the employer of the Shichi., they still pirate who do pirate stuff, and the WG is still the WG and figth against pirates, etc.
From the same chapter:
@stephen:
Doflamingo: Yeah, I didn't wanna come either.
The island business has been too good lately.
I came cause I was bored.Sengoku: Well, that's depressing to hear.
There's nothing as unfortunate for us to hear than that the pirating business is going well.
See, that's where you're wrong.
The World Government is not solely in opposition to Pirates. They're in opposition to crime in general. I mean, look at Ohara. They weren't pirates in any way, shape of form, and yet they were sacrificed for the greater good of the World, according to Gorosei. Marine Headquarters IS in opposition solely to piracy. The World Government employs both indepedently for a different task, while at the same time allowing them to perform their regular duties. The reason Doflamingo was so put out against Sengoku was because they're NOT working together. They're two different organizations who have the same employer, and therefore relations between the two are tense.
The Yonkou, on the other hand, are not employed by the World Government, but neither are they in opposition to it. Their destructive nature may threaten the safety of those that the WG protects, but it's not a direct war against them, like Dragon's movement. Dragon seeks directly to topple the World Government, whereas the Yonkou only seek selfish desires, such as One Piece and living as emperors, as the name implies.
Garp's words are ambigiuous. I do believe that the Yonkou are equally powerful as the Shichibukai who are as equally powerful as the Marines. If the balanced tipped in the favor of the Yonkou, things would be a lot worse than they are.
@Fire:
The World Government is not solely in opposition to Pirates.
I never said that.
@Fire:
They're in opposition to crime in general.
Yeah, I know…
@Fire:
The reason Doflamingo was so put out against Sengoku was because they're NOT working together.
Didn't I said that ? Not with the same words ok, but I said that.
@Fire:
They're two different organizations who have the same employer, and therefore relations between the two are tense.
Yeah, they both hunt pirate.
Garp's words are ambigiuous. I do believe that the Yonkou are equally powerful as the Shichibukai who are as equally powerful as the Marines. If the balanced tipped in the favor of the Yonkou, things would be a lot worse than they are.
I'll first quote stephen again: "Yosaku: The Shichibukai are a group of pirates who prey on the uncivilized lands and pillage other pirates, then give some percentage of their harvest to the government, thus having their piracy forgiven."
So the Shichi. only attack pirates and uncivilized land. Even if they hate the WG, they theoricaly won't touch neither to a marine nor a civilian.
The Marine HQ only attack pirates too.
Both these group are here to balance against pirates in general (small fish) and the Youko. As you said, they are both working for the WG, that's why I said it's a 2 vs 1. If the Marine/WG would be strong enough to handle the Youkou, why do they need 7 pirates to help ? They got powerfull person (Admiral, VA, etc) and a large army.
Gamabounta
PS: I think the WG wasn't strong enough to handle the Youko (because another emperor appeared for example) and they created the Shichi.
@WHITEBEARD: you called
Wow, you guys typed up a storm in my absence. I'm generally online only during the day time (while i'm at work… shhhhhhh :-x).
Anyways, back on topic.
@Fire Fist:
The World Government is not solely in opposition to Pirates. They're in opposition to crime in general. I mean, look at Ohara. They weren't pirates in any way, shape of form, and yet they were sacrificed for the greater good of the World, according to Gorosei. Marine Headquarters IS in opposition solely to piracy. The World Government employs both indepedently for a different task, while at the same time allowing them to perform their regular duties. The reason Doflamingo was so put out against Sengoku was because they're NOT working together. They're two different organizations who have the same employer, and therefore relations between the two are tense.
The Yonkou, on the other hand, are not employed by the World Government, but neither are they in opposition to it. Their destructive nature may threaten the safety of those that the WG protects, but it's not a direct war against them, like Dragon's movement. Dragon seeks directly to topple the World Government, whereas the Yonkou only seek selfish desires, such as One Piece and living as emperors, as the name implies.
Garp's words are ambigiuous. I do believe that the Yonkou are equally powerful as the Shichibukai who are as equally powerful as the Marines. If the balanced tipped in the favor of the Yonkou, things would be a lot worse than they are.
I really like this post, especially paragraphs 1 & 2. It's exactly my understanding of the situation so far. Your 3rd paragraph contains some stuff that i've thought as well, but i'll change it up a bit if you don't mind :)
The way I see it, the Yonkou (Four Emperors) are stronger because if the WG (who employs the MHQ and the Shichibukai) are that threatened by the Yonkou AND if it's really Yonkou == Shichibukai == MHQ (3 Admirals), then why doesn't the WG just order the Shichibukai and MHQ to work together. Now maybe this is an impossible tasks, and maybe there are some hidden rules that the shichibukai follow that we don't know of yet, but we know the Shichibukai fights pirates and we know the MHQ fights pirates, so why would the two groups be against a team up. If things are as balanced as stated, then taking twice the power/resources needed should suffice to get the job done. I doubt any of the other Yonkou would interfer, since this is one less pirate army they'd have to battle for One Piece and title of Pirate King.
I guess we'll need to find out just how much "control" the WG has over the Shichibukai. I think 434 might shed some light into this situation, as we may get to see the Gorousei discuss Shanks and WB meeting, as well as Luffy's invation of EL.
@Fire Fist:
Garp's words are ambigiuous. I do believe that the Yonkou are equally powerful as the Shichibukai who are as equally powerful as the Marines. If the balanced tipped in the favor of the Yonkou, things would be a lot worse than they are.
No, if the three groups were equals then the balance wouldn't be that delicate. If all are equal then you remove one of them and you still have balance. The only way it is a delicate balance (meaning all of the parts are essential) is if Yonkou > Shichibukai > MH and specifically Yonkou=Shichibukai+MH.
Because only that way:
If the Yonkou disappear: The Shichibukai take over the world.
If the MH disappears: The Yonkou take over the world.
If the Shichibukai disappear. The Yonkou take over the world.
Think of the other combinations and you'll see they don't work.
Yonkou > MH > Shichibukai
and
MH > Yonkou > Shichibukai
If the Yonkou disappear: MH destroy the Shichibukai, they are weaker and they don't need them anymore, no more scum of the sea, so no problem for the WG.
Shichibukai > MH > Yonkou
and
MH > Shichibukai > Yonkou
In the same way, if the Shichibukai disappear: The MH destroy Yonkou, no more scum of the sea, so no problem for the WG.
Shichibukai > Yonkou > MH
No balance here. The Shichibukai wouldn't need to work for the WG and then Whitebeard and Shanks would be the Shichibukai (in order to form a balance).
So I conclude that the only combination in which every one of them are essential for the stability of the world is Yonkou > Shichibukai > MH, so I'm leaning towards that.
well,i think the Yonkou are stronger(if there are only the Yonkou with their teams,the 7 warlords ´without any help´ and the Marines(with the 3 admirals as leaders,cause i don´t think that ONLY 3 admirals are as great as 7 Shichibukai)
but if the Shichibukai have allies(old pirate gangs etc.),then they are the strongest(imo)
Only problem is that we have heard from Mihawk's mouth that MHQ and the Shichibukai are equal powers of conflicting interest…
Tashigi said it plainly; The shichibukai are government approaved pirates and their allies allies.
Of course, Smoker then added something about they are still pirates even being shichibukai.
Only problem is that we have heard from Mihawk's mouth that MHQ and the Shichibukai are equal powers of conflicting interest…
Exactly: Mihawk said that when there were 6 shichibukai, which confirms my theory. If 6 shichi=HQ then 7 shichi>HQ.
And you cannot say that's picky, because if you trust Mihawk words enough to think that equals means absolutely equal up to the point of having everybody dead, two men standing equally exhausted, if you concede him that level of precission, then if we add another Shichibukai you have to accept that the balance would change. You cannot have both, precision and imprecision.
I noticed an interesting theory on wikipedia today (in the Yonkou article), which suggests that Luffy is tipping the balance of power against the Marines and the ShichiBukai by his actions. When Luffy defeated Crocodile, Shanks managed to contact Whitebeard. After Luffy destroyed Enies Lobby, Red Hair broke through the blockade sent against himself and Edward. Coincidence?
Ok everybody seems to be on the yonkou nuts cuz they live like emperors in the new world. (or its cuz there a new overatedgroup or its cuz of Whitebeard)
now with that said lets envision if there was no shichibukai I bet there would be alot more emperors sailing around the grandline. (ID say about 11):getlost:
and the WG would not stand a chance with so many powerful pirates around that way I think the WG created the shichibukai(or made a deal with 7 pirates) so that could at least kill some pirates while they do as they please.
the point is if the schichibukai was not around then their would be more yonkou and then the wg would fall without a fighting chance.
they made the schichbukai so that noboby would win or lose it be equally :getlost:
SCHICHBUKAI CHANGING THE WORLD ONE DEAD PIRATE AT A TIME:getlost:
@IT'S:
I noticed an interesting theory on wikipedia today (in the Yonkou article), which suggests that Luffy is tipping the balance of power against the Marines and the ShichiBukai by his actions. When Luffy defeated Crocodile, Shanks managed to contact Whitebeard. After Luffy destroyed Enies Lobby, Red Hair broke through the blockade sent against himself and Edward. Coincidence?
Actually, you may be onto something.
Notice that only half of CP9 was at Water 7. Kumadori, Fukuro, Spandam (Though he's hardly a threat) and Jyabura were not at Water 7 but rather came to Enies Lobby after completing a seperate assignment. Who's to say this "Assignment" was policing the New World? Now, it's ludricrous to think they would have caused Shanks and his crew any sort of trouble. But their added assistance to any other marines / WG officers patrolling the New World would greatly impede their progess.
However…
My thinking is to the fact that rather than Luffy being the factor that caused the sudden turn of events, it's more of Blackbeard's doing. Why? Because Teach is both sought by Ace and apparently Shanks. Why Shanks wants him is unknown, but it stands to reason that Shanks KNOWS that he's a D. Therefore, the need for a D to reveal the way to Raftel is readily apparent.
Now, based on a theory I have, in order to reach Raftel, one needs a D of each of the three races, meaning one Gyojin D, One Kyojin (Giant) D, and one Human D. With Blackbeard's departure, Ace's came as well, meaning 2 D's have left the New World. Now, Buggy states that Whitebeard is the "Closest man to One Piece". Now, I'm sure Buggy stated this before knowing that Blackbeard AND Ace were not present in the crew of Whitebeard. Whitebeard is probably lacking a Gyojin D, which, so far, has not been revealed. This means that he's "Closest to One Piece" only when Blackbeard and Ace are with him. Shanks realized this, and sent a letter to him regarding the importance of the D's. He even could have located a Gyojin D, meaning that Ace and Blackbeard need to be back in the New World ASAP.
So really, Blackbeard is to blame for Shanks' sudden movement.
@Fire Fist:
Actually, you may be onto something.
Notice that only half of CP9 was at Water 7. Kumadori, Fukuro, Spandam (Though he's hardly a threat) and Jyabura were not at Water 7 but rather came to Enies Lobby after completing a seperate assignment. Who's to say this "Assignment" was policing the New World? Now, it's ludricrous to think they would have caused Shanks and his crew any sort of trouble. But their added assistance to any other marines / WG officers patrolling the New World would greatly impede their progess.
However…
My thinking is to the fact that rather than Luffy being the factor that caused the sudden turn of events, it's more of Blackbeard's doing. Why? Because Teach is both sought by Ace and apparently Shanks. Why Shanks wants him is unknown, but it stands to reason that Shanks KNOWS that he's a D. Therefore, the need for a D to reveal the way to Raftel is readily apparent.
Now, based on a theory I have, in order to reach Raftel, one needs a D of each of the three races, meaning one Gyojin D, One Kyojin (Giant) D, and one Human D. With Blackbeard's departure, Ace's came as well, meaning 2 D's have left the New World. Now, Buggy states that Whitebeard is the "Closest man to One Piece". Now, I'm sure Buggy stated this before knowing that Blackbeard AND Ace were not present in the crew of Whitebeard. Whitebeard is probably lacking a Gyojin D, which, so far, has not been revealed. This means that he's "Closest to One Piece" only when Blackbeard and Ace are with him. Shanks realized this, and sent a letter to him regarding the importance of the D's. He even could have located a Gyojin D, meaning that Ace and Blackbeard need to be back in the New World ASAP.
So really, Blackbeard is to blame for Shanks' sudden movement.
sorry but i don't agree with your theory, in fact, i think that's the worste theory i heard so far this week…
The reason why buggy said that White Beard was the one closest to One Piece is because He Was the only one who was able to fight evenly against the former Pirate King, Gol D Roger. And that whole "Oh we need a giant with a D in his name... Damn, we lost our only D guy..." is just pure... idk...
Yeah, it's a bad theory… I'm so sorry....
Not really. Seriously. Don't rip people's opinions. It's actually very plausible. You just shut your mind to possibilities. If Whitebeard's strength was the reason he was closest to One Piece, he'd have obtained it long ago. He's old, he was a rival of Roger, and you think he would've figured out by now how to get there if something wasn't keeping him from doing it.
What's so ridiculous about needing a D of each race? Really? Do you know any other giants besides Saulo that are D's? Nope, I don't think so. At least none that are known. Blackbeard may very well be Saulo's son or grandson. Look at his size. He's twice the size of a normal human, meaning he's most likely a half-giant. He and Saulo could very well be related.
In any case, if there ARE Gyojin D's, it just further proves my point. Shanks is a very intelligent man, and I get the feeling Whitebeard is too. Whitebeard's stubborn, but he knows that there's something lacking, or he would be on Raftel and have One Piece. If it was just a matter of matching Roger in strength, then he's already done that. Big deal.
Don't insult people's opinions. That just pisses me off. Offer yours or just simply say you disagree. The whole "Worst theory this week" crap is unnappreciated.
Only problem is that we have heard from Mihawk's mouth that MHQ and the Shichibukai are equal powers of conflicting interest…
Stephen himself said he wasn't 100% sure of his translation. In the french version there's nothing about the two groups being of equal power.
As for Kuzan's theory; it is never said anywhere the balance of the world would crumble if one of the powers, whichever it is, fell. The way I understand it, the only power threatening the world's balance is the Yonkou; the other two are here to oppose it. If one of these two opposing powers was destroyed, the world government would fall.
Stephen himself said he wasn't 100% sure of his translation. In the french version there's nothing about the two groups being of equal power.
As for Kuzan's theory; it is never said anywhere the balance of the world would crumble if one of the powers, whichever it is, fell. The way I understand it, the only power threatening the world's balance is the Yonkou; the other two are here to oppose it. If one of these two opposing powers was destroyed, the world government would fall.
What are you talking about?:wassat:
Mihawk does state that the Marine Headquarters and Shichibukai are of equal power. It is stated that the Three powers of the world are EQUAL.
It is stated If the "Three Great Powers" were to collapse, the very world would unravel at the seams. All of the powers are equal, NO power is stronger than the other.
What are you talking about?:wassat:
Mihawk does state that the Marine Headquarters and Shichibukai are of equal power. It is stated that the Three powers of the world are EQUAL.
It is stated If the "Three Great Powers" were to collapse, the very world would unravel at the seams. All of the powers are equal, NO power is stronger than the other.
This one dude said earlier that Mihawk stated that when the group was at 6, meaning if you add another one, it will cause an imbalance.
It can't be that 3 (Admirals)+4+6=3+4+7. That single number, no matter how insignificant you think it is, will upset the so called "balance". Anyone who took basic math would know this.
Other than that, go on and continue debating. I'll step in when it's quieter.
@Masta:
This one dude said earlier that Mihawk stated that when the group was at 6, meaning if you add another one, it will cause an imbalance.
It can't be that 3 (Admirals)+4+6=3+4+7. That single number, no matter how insignificant you think it is, will upset the so called "balance". Anyone who took basic math would know this.
Other than that, go on and continue debating. I'll step in when it's quieter.
What are you chatting?:wassat:
What are you chatting?:wassat:
Chatting…? NO. I was saying if 3 apples taste as good as four bannanas and 6 peaches, then adding another peach will make the apples inferior.
Mihawk stated the three powers were equal, right? He said that when the World powers were meeting--to discuss a shichibukai replacement. If they are equal with 6--.......holy shit. I just screwed myself....
Keep talking...I'm just gonna crawl back in my cave >_<....
Is Whitebeard part of the Yonkou? Because I've been reading the forums and there seems to be different interpretations of the translations on ch. 333.:wassat:
yes, whitebeard is part of the yonkou
It can't be that 3 (Admirals)+4+6=3+4+7. That single number, no matter how insignificant you think it is, will upset the so called "balance". Anyone who took basic math would know this.
Youre taking their strengh to literally.
1. Mihawk was most likely talking about the orginizations as a whole. If Shanks takes a nap, does the Yonkou's collective strength go down by one quarter?
2. The legal pirates have yet to be shown to be in dirrect conflict with the yonkou. Therefore, by using convoluted logic, you can conclude that there are not only 3 powers in the world. A better way of picturing the power balance is a triangle with a group at each corner, and all the pirates, etc, shoved inside.
3. The youkou arnt a unified group? I cant confirm it, but i have yet to see anything that suggests they work together. Look at the shock when Shanks got to Whitebeard.
4.
This one dude said earlier that Mihawk stated that when the group was at 6, meaning if you add another one, it will cause an imbalance.
hey, why? another member might create discord within the group. Maybe Donflamingo hates the new guy, so despite adding 1, you basicly lose the strength of two.
AND IN CONCLUSION!
slight imbalances do not matter, none of the 3 groups will bring all of their strength to bear against each other.
Actually, my guess is that Mihawk was talking about the way things usual are, with the seven Shichibukai. After all, there originally were seven of them to keep the three powers in balance. The way things are now, with a Shichibukai short, things are already starting to get imbalanced, and they probably will get even more so in the future. It's hard to start a new age without tilting the balance of the world, after all.
Stephen himself said he wasn't 100% sure of his translation. In the french version there's nothing about the two groups being of equal power.
As for Kuzan's theory; it is never said anywhere the balance of the world would crumble if one of the powers, whichever it is, fell. The way I understand it, the only power threatening the world's balance is the Yonkou; the other two are here to oppose it. If one of these two opposing powers was destroyed, the world government would fall.
Ah, I didn't know stephen wasn't sure of the translation himself…
I've always wondered if when they speak of the Three Great Powers as equal, if at all this could mean political power, but then i'm always like nahh... we always assume it means strength and battleworthiness, but what if it means something else....
anyways, is the bold statement your way of saying the Yonkou are stronger?
Ah, I didn't know stephen wasn't sure of the translation himself…
I've always wondered if when they speak of the Three Great Powers as equal, if at all this could mean political power, but then i'm always like nahh... we always assume it means strength and battleworthiness, but what if it means something else....
anyways, is the bold statement your way of saying the Yonkou are stronger?
Where in the manga does it say the yonkou are the strongest power?
until i see it, your posts are just garbage!:getlost:
I think that 3 admirals = Shichibukai (7 of them) = 4 emperors.
It's kind of like the Romance of three Kingdom, where the 3 forces are balanced. If one force tries to take out the other force, the last one will attack both of them. That's why they call it the 3 force of the world, "if one weakened it will bring doom to the world", quoted
Volume 25, Chapter 233, page 15-16
http://groups.msn.com/OnePieceMangav-3/volume25.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=4818
Shichibukai is at an advantage right now since they lost 1 out of 7
The Youkou are as strong as admirals in 1-1 combat, (some are stronger, like Whitebeard) but since they do not cooperate (pirates like to go solo) they are considered not as strong as the marines. I think it is the same with the Shichibukai. But that doesn't mean the marines would like to risk it attacking them, in case they just decide to unite and beat the crap out of Marines and Shichibukai.
As I said, the 3 forces are in balance, so none of them want to go to war first.
The real meance to the world is the yonkou. The warlords are in a contract with the WG to intimadate other pirates. and with that contract the warlords are able to do what they want. Think of it as the privateers of england. A little of topic but i was looking at the image of the elder stars and they all look like serious guys covered in battle scars. I thought to myself how cool it would be if they all carried the D. how awsome would that be.
If the 4 Great Pirates worked together I almost sure they would be the stronger of the 3 Great Powers
But since it seems that they don't work together
So Marine HQ and Shichi Bukai = 4 Great Pirates
The real meance to the world is the yonkou. The warlords are in a contract with the WG to intimadate other pirates. and with that contract the warlords are able to do what they want. Think of it as the privateers of england. A little of topic but i was looking at the image of the elder stars and they all look like serious guys covered in battle scars. I thought to myself how cool it would be if they all carried the D. how awsome would that be.
Why would you say something like yonkou are a real meance to the world? :wassat:
What have they done to threaten the world.:getlost:
So far we seen 1 shichibukai talk createing a new ear. (OR NEW WORLD)
and dont forget about Crocodile
SHICHIBUKAI CHANGING THE WORLD ONE DEAD PIRATE AT A TIME
Why would you say something like yonkou are a real meance to the world? :wassat:
What have they done to threaten the world.:getlost:
It is immpossible for you to have had been seriou/sober when you typed this.
If the 4 Great Pirates worked together I almost sure they would be the stronger of the 3 Great Powers
But since it seems that they don't work together
So Marine HQ and Shichi Bukai = 4 Great Pirates
You could say the same for the Schichibukai :getlost:
and the Marine dont work with Schichibukai :getlost:
@Octogon:
It is immpossible for you to have had been seriou/sober when you typed this.
Man Im still LOL at what you said in the Mihawk Geater Than Shanks Thread
( just cuz shanks has a sword doesnt mean hes a swordsman and just cuz it ODVIOUS doesnt mean its ture LOL HAHAHAHA)
I dont have to tell you something i already did just readed my post and you will see the light:getlost:
Man Im still LOL at what you said in the Mihawk Geater Than Shanks Thread
( just cuz shanks has a sword doesnt mean hes a swordsman and just cuz it ODVIOUS doesnt mean its ture LOL HAHAHAHA)
I dont have to tell you something i already did just readed my post and you will see the light:getlost:
**I can see that you're still LOLi
Anyway just cause you have a sword doesn't mean you's a swordman.
And the Yonkou are pirates. Their existance threatans the world.**
They don't work together but they do have the same employer. As such, they do have to have some kind of interaction with one another.
As a group, the marines function in units. That's the logical progession. As Shichibukai, none of the seven actually work with each other. If the government says "Go here and do this" to two or more of them, they'll more than likely take the job and go do it together, but that's only on occassion. They're like private businessman, if you will. They each have their own little agendas, and the WG pays them and grants them amnesty to perform special jobs once in a while.
The marines are like any other military force. The soldiers have salaries, are fed, clothed, trained, and given positions of responsibility. They're like anyone that works for a franchised store: they do what their immediate supervisor tells them and nothing more. Their actual employer has no say in their day to day activities.
The Yonkou, for that matter, have no employers other than themselves. They choose how they interact with each other and everyone else. They don't "Need" the amnesty from the WG to go about their lives, because no one's gonna attempt to mess with them, except the WG themselves. Whitebeard would "eat" anyone who tried to fight him, and I'm sure Shanks would as well.
Remember what Dorry said about the people who tried to wait out the log pose set time on Little Garden? He said, if they attacked either of them, they died. That's probably how it is with the Yonkou as well. They don't go killing people for no reason, but they will kill people that attack them. It's just self-defense.
Ok everybody seems to be on the yonkou nuts cuz they live like emperors in the new world. (or its cuz there a new overatedgroup or its cuz of Whitebeard)
now with that said lets envision if there was no shichibukai I bet there would be alot more emperors sailing around the grandline. (ID say about 11):getlost:
and the WG would not stand a chance with so many powerful pirates around that way I think the WG created the shichibukai(or made a deal with 7 pirates) so that could at least kill some pirates while they do as they please.
the point is if the schichibukai was not around then their would be more yonkou and then the wg would fall without a fighting chance.
they made the schichbukai so that noboby would win or lose it be equally :getlost:
SCHICHBUKAI CHANGING THE WORLD ONE DEAD PIRATE AT A TIME:getlost:
yea octogon i see what your saying but ODA STATES THAT HE A SWORDSMAN AND ITS OBVIOUS STILL LOL:getlost:
yea octogon i see what your saying but ODA STATES THAT HE A SWORDSMAN AND ITS OBVIOUS STILL LOL:getlost:
**Oda never directly stated anything about shanks being a swordsman.
No more on the subject in this topic for me.**
@Octogon:
**Oda never directly stated anything about shanks being a swordsman.
No more on the subject in this topic for me.**
thats right you know your place in the world now