Robin stronger than we expected?

dlo62282

This is just speculation but in light of the new chapter. The strongest marine had an interesting comment to her.

Aokiji: Why didn't you just run away, as always? You could have escaped from CP9 at any time.

Robin: … Didn't I say things were different this time?

He said she could of escaped anytime? If that was the case, why did the strawhats have to spend all that time looking for a key is she could just escape.

Did he just mean during water 7 and on the sea train? I dont believe she was in cuffs than, but she still had 4 strong cp9 people there. Could she of restrained them and got away in the middle of the sea? Interesting.

Zulen

I'm kinda speechless here… I've written and deleted numerous times because I just don't have an answer.

joekido the Second

@dlo62282:

This is just speculation but in light of the new chapter. The strongest marine had an interesting comment to her.

Aokiji: Why didn't you just run away, as always? You could have escaped from CP9 at any time.

Robin: … Didn't I say things were different this time?

He said she could of escaped anytime? If that was the case, why did the strawhats have to spend all that time looking for a key is she could just escape.

Did he just mean during water 7 and on the sea train? I dont believe she was in cuffs than, but she still had 4 strong cp9 people there. Could she of restrained them and got away in the middle of the sea? Interesting.

Robin said that she could not stand and watch her nakama die and she was afried of getting betrayed again. She did try to escape from Spandam many time but Spandam keeps jumping at her.

onemoment

I suspect that Aokiji meant after the seastone cuffs were on her. After all, with them on she was defenseless against Spandam.

But yeah, we shouldn't underestimate Robin so much. She knows how to survive in the underworld afterall.

dlo62282

Yeah, I am sure after the devil cuffs were on her, she couldnt escape.

But during water 7 and sea train, Aokiji says she could of easily escaped. That would of not been an easy feat, her skill level here is under-rated.

theinvisibleworm

With an ability like that escaping wouldn't be too much a of a problem without the cuffs.

She could have easily subdued cp9 at any time, thus the whole reason cp9 even made a deal with her in the first place.

Aldrich

Let's not get carried away. She could have subdued Lucci and Kaku? I highly doubt it.

Escaping has little to do with strenght.

dlo62282

Yeah that is what I was thinking, as well. But wouldnt that imply she was stronger than Lucci? Well near his level, since she didnt have to exactly beat him but just stall him and the others.

CosmicDebris

Yeah, I think he meant at times when she wasn't cuffed…once she broke free, she could have fled, but she chose to stay and fight with them. Remember the part where she finally decided that she was over the trauma and went with Franky to find an escape ship. Perfect chance to betray her comrades if she was still the kind of person to do it (of course, I don't think it was so much the kind of person she was as it was the people she got involved with in the past).

Kibagami

If a bad guy ripped one of her arms off with brute strength, would it hurt the bad guy? Or if someone like Zoro over powered her arms and cut them all off, would he bleed? It would be really really gory if that actually happened…. like Kill Bill 1 style gory. But that's the only way I can think of to purge her powers: over-powering and/or repeatedly cutting the arms off.

dlo62282

I said this before, Robin has the potential to kill many strong people easily.

White beard opens his mouth, Robin spawns an eye in the back of his throat and than look down his chest and spawn a hundred arms inside his body. I doubt Oda would ever make her do something crazy like that but it is possible.

dudeinthewater

Her boobs are also larger than we expected.

(puahaha, robin~~chuaaannn)

DemonX

i always thought her powers are badass
i never underatimated her,although we haven´t seen much of her fight

dlo62282

Yeah she only had one true fight and that was against Yama. And once she got away from the ruins, she owned him rather easily. It seems like she was holding back so they wouldnt destroy the ruins.

kljs

that's what I think about Robin when she was fighting with Yama…. that she was trying to get Yama away from the ruins before owning him big time....

however, I believe Aokiji knew how "smart" Robin is that the cuffs might not be a problem after all..... then again... we will never know.... since the outcome is the the CP9 got defeated and Robin is saved by the mugiwaras....

dlo62282

Yeah I guess she could of found a way to pick them, but she only let herself get captured to protect the strawhats.

Once she decided to go back with them, she just should of escaped instead of them fighting to get a key. So, that is why i doubt she could of escaped after she was cuffed.

Overtaker

I remember in alabasta she said something to pell: "speed, strength, it means nothing to me"

it does make sense tho, if she can grow anything anywhere
just grow 2 hands and cover the enemy's eyes or poke it XD
and in case of against Lucci, just grow a few hands and squeeze his balls XD

blacky

I remember in alabasta she said something to pell: "speed, strength, it means nothing to me"

At least to a certain extent I think. That fat guy in sky island almost broke her arms because of his weight alone. And I suppose that Lucci's mere physical strength is far above the weight of that fat one.

I'd also say that Aokiji meant escaping while she was still in Water7. That would've been rather easy, but afterwards there was simply no chance for her to escape, being surrounded by water on the train or handcuffed and having her powers sealed in Enies Lobby.

FireFistAce 0

Robin was easily able to escape, but she does have a weakness. Remember in Alabasta? One of her hands got stabbed and it hurts her, causes her power to cease. That means that the slightest injury causes her to lose concentration and stop controlling the blooming body parts.

Before the Kairoseki cuffs were put on, Robin could have easily escaped if she was careful. But if Lucci had found out and found one of her hands, all he'd have to do is Shigan it and Robin would be in a world of pain.

Silence

@Fire Fist:

Robin was easily able to escape, but she does have a weakness. Remember in Alabasta? One of her hands got stabbed and it hurts her, causes her power to cease. That means that the slightest injury causes her to lose concentration and stop controlling the blooming body parts.

Before the Kairoseki cuffs were put on, Robin could have easily escaped if she was careful. But if Lucci had found out and found one of her hands, all he'd have to do is Shigan it and Robin would be in a world of pain.

Now wait. Just because her hand got slashed and she released her power doesn't mean the slighest injury makes her power dispell itself. She probably dispelled it to prevent further injury to herself.

Other than that, yeah, I took it to mean that she could have escaped them before the cuffs went on. It's not like she doesn't have experience eluding capture, so it doesn't come as a surprise… but coming from Aoikiji? Well, that's high praise.

Bravo, Robin.

Overtaker

ah, its not hard
she'll just have to grow her hand on lucci
then the only way for lucci to hit it is by hitting himself XD

a hand grow and cover lucci's eyes
lucci: wtf?!?!
lucci shigan the hand
the hand disappears, lucci shigan hits his own eye
lucci: AARRRRGGGGHHHH, DAMN U DEVIL WOMAN!

another hand grows on lucci's ball

andrew86

One thing that I don't understand is that if one of Robin's DF hands is cut, does it leave a cut on her normal hand or does it just feel like the hand was cut?

@dlo62282:

I said this before, Robin has the potential to kill many strong people easily.

White beard opens his mouth, Robin spawns an eye in the back of his throat and than look down his chest and spawn a hundred arms inside his body. I doubt Oda would ever make her do something crazy like that but it is possible.

That would be really morbid and make her supremely overpowered.

Silence

It leaves a cut on her normal hand.

sabret00the

As aldrich said, escaping does not mean taking on or disposing of.

onemoment

@sabret00the:

As aldrich said, escaping does not mean taking on or disposing of.

Well yeah, no one's saying she could beat a CP9–well maybe Blueno (half serious). But, to escape from all of the CP9 is still quite a skill.

With her powers, it easily imaginable that she could run away and distract that CP9 or something. They're not logia, so they could still get their eyes covered, at least.

Link-kun

Robin could've easilly escaped in the begining half. But once CP9 came into the picture it wwould have been difficult or even impossible.

Kenechi

By "escape" he probably means "run away" as in what Robin is famous for doing to all the people she shacked up with before. She could have easily "escaped" in W7, leaving the SHs to get captured eventually. But, having found true nakama, she didn't "escape" and she tried to save their lives by giving up hers. I don't think it has anything to do with strengh.

onemoment

@Link-kun:

Robin could've easilly escaped in the begining half. But once CP9 came into the picture it wwould have been difficult or even impossible.

Wait what? When the CP9 came into the picture was the only time she needed to escape.

Polygon

**Like Aldrich said, escaping and defeating are two completely different things.

Robin has numerous opportunities to escape really.**

Kibagami

@Kibagami:

If a bad guy ripped one of her arms off with brute strength, would it hurt the bad guy? Or if someone like Zoro over powered her arms and cut them all off, would he bleed? It would be really really gory if that actually happened…. like Kill Bill 1 style gory. But that's the only way I can think of to purge her powers: over-powering and/or repeatedly cutting the arms off.

@Silence:

It leaves a cut on her normal hand.

You think so? a cut on one of her extention arms would hurt her as well? Well it's all speculation for now, but that is really the difference between being invincible and being mortal.

Kaze

As soon as she was on the sea train the sea stone cuffs went on her.

FireFistAce 0

Uh, no, look at her hands in the Seatrain. They have no cuffs on them.

Here's an example:

http://groups.msn.com/onepiecemangav-3/chapter369.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=7437

onemoment

Yeah, in fact I think it was the point that Robin let herself get captured. She probably has just enough street smarts and ability to escape even the CP9–she's been running for 20 years after all.

But yes, fighting and running are two different things.

However, Robin will probably shown herself being "stronger then expected" whenever her next fight is. I mean, she's already invincible to most people on the Grandline anyway.

Knight of Malta

I dont think Robin is weak, but there is no way she could take down the top CP9 aggents. She could probably scape from them, but it sure as hell would be hard, with them being an "elite" type of police.

Polygon

@onemoment:

However, Robin will probably shown herself being "stronger then expected" whenever her next fight is. I mean, she's already invincible to most people on the Grandline anyway.

Most people on the Grand Line are your average everyday people, so yeah.

Angel emfrbl

@dlo62282:

I said this before, Robin has the potential to kill many strong people easily.

White beard opens his mouth, Robin spawns an eye in the back of his throat and than look down his chest and spawn a hundred arms inside his body. I doubt Oda would ever make her do something crazy like that but it is possible.

Robin can't create hands where there is no room like inside someone's body (that was actually Oda's example in one SBS). But I suppose juding by Whitbeard's size…

:ermm: I don't know...

But its awfully dark inside someone's body, could she see enough light to create in the dark stuff? I doubt it.

Kenechi

If she can't see inside hir body…she can't do it.

onemoment

@Octogon:

Most people on the Grand Line are your average everyday people, so yeah.

Jesus christ Oct, I said the majority! How many people where there on Foxys crew, or that crew that died before the Davy Back fight, or the Millions and billions from Baroque works, or the 50 elite guards from SKypiea, or the 100 bounty hunters in Whiskey Peak, or most of the population of Jaya! And that's not including some of the weaker real fighters they have faced, like the Mr.5 pair or Satori's brothers.

That's more people combined then all the really strong people in One Piece. Don't be so defensive Oct, one great thing about One Piece is that there are always plenty of people to be pwned.

Though with that said, the people who can fight Robin are kind of rare. Everyone who can have their bones broken are vulerable. I find it ironic, Yama was lame but he probably had a better chance for beating Robin then most of the Priests, save for Ohm.

Polygon

**You're the one being definsive. I was pretty much agreeing with you.

Robin > the majority.

even a 100 people out of all in the GL isn't a majority. I don't know what youre getting all worked up about.**

onemoment

@Octogon:

**You're the one being definsive. I was pretty much agreeing with you.

Robin > the majority.

even a 100 people out of all in the GL isn't a majority. I don't know what youre getting all worked up about.**

Well sorry then, it sounded sarcastic.

I recall you making statement that suggested that there are a hell of a lot of strong guys in the Grandline, which is probably true, yet they still have to be a minority.

boiga

It is my understanding that what aokiji is referring to is the period of time between which Robin was contacted by the cp9 and when she has boards the sea train.

During that entire time, robin was free to run away from W7. However, she had been told that should she escape, the strawhats would be massacred by the CP9. Aokiji gives robin credit for sacrificing her own well being for that of others for the first time in her life.

Aokiji mentions that she had lived a solitary life as a freelance assassin, without caring for a single living creature since she had left Ohara. He considered such a person not worthy of the sacrifce that Saul had made to save her life. That is why he had decided it was time for her to die.

But when robin sacrificed herself to save her nakama, aokiji was glad that some part of the goodness that ws Ohara HAD survived with her. This is why he lets her live in the end.

No part of this conversation has anything to do with Robin's fighting ability. It does, however, illuminate much in her personal development.

Aldrich

Where does that assassin stuff comes from? I don't remember anything about that except Robin herself mocking Usopp by telling him her speciality was assassination back when she joined the crew.

odlam

It is my understanding that what aokiji is referring to is the period of time between which Robin was contacted by the cp9 and when she has boards the sea train.

During that entire time, robin was free to run away from W7. However, she had been told that should she escape, the strawhats would be massacred by the CP9. Aokiji gives robin credit for sacrificing her own well being for that of others for the first time in her life.

My understanding as well. Until the attack at the mansion and the sea train, Robin was quite free to just "abandon ship" and take off running without getting caught.

onemoment

Yeah, it's not about fighting ability and it doesn't count after the sea train, but still the ability to escape 4 or more guys who know soru is pretty damned impressive.

Plus, it's Aokiji who's saying this. Isn't damn near everything he does infallible lately?

…well, except the "this is our absolute defeat thing." No, I guess he was full of it then.

Mr. All Sunday

How strong did we expect her to be exactly?

It seems to me that escaping four powerful Government agents is quite a feat, but I don't think that's a reference to her strength, more to the abilities she's learned from twenty years as a wanted criminal. Surely Oda doesn't want us to believe that Robin could defeat Lucci, Blueno, Kaku, and Kalifa simultaneously?

Link-kun

@onemoment:

Wait what? When the CP9 came into the picture was the only time she needed to escape.

After Blueno contacted her was the window I was talking about. But since she went to them and was imprisoned was the hard/impossible part.

boiga

@Aldrich:

Where does that assassin stuff comes from? I don't remember anything about that except Robin herself mocking Usopp by telling him her speciality was assassination back when she joined the crew.

Actually, thinking back, thats a good point. What evidence do we have of Robin's moral background? She avoided kill Igarum and pell when she had the chance. But on the other hand, she had no remorse for throwing the head of the Enel's militia off a cliff after breaking his back. She was a caring child but was abused and abandoned while growing up. She helped crocodile start a civil war, but didn't give him the God Weapon's location.

What is robin's morality?

I had thought that before she met luffy and recieved her first benevolent act since saul's sacrifice, robin really was a calculating coldhearted self absorbed woman who would sacrifice anyone to obtain the archeological knowledge she desired. Is that the case, or was she just joking when she said she had been an assassin?

Elastic_Swindler

@Mr.:

How strong did we expect her to be exactly?

It seems to me that escaping four powerful Government agents is quite a feat, but I don't think that's a reference to her strength, more to the abilities she's learned from twenty years as a wanted criminal. Surely Oda doesn't want us to believe that Robin could defeat Lucci, Blueno, Kaku, and Kalifa simultaneously?

Difficult question. I'd like to think that Robin is the sort of natural enemy to physical fighters like the CP9 that there are little limits to what she can do with them. Just like Eneru dropped Robin with a single attack, she should drop physical fighters as easily. At the bridge scene in EL she did just that against the Captains.

From the point of view of dramatic storytelling, it's not a very good idea to let her fight the CP9 if this is the case… On the other hand, Oda's hints along the road have stated that her arm strength is limited and her arms have a weakness when attacked, which make her claim of speed and strength having nothing on her questionable. In conclusion, there's too little to discuss before she gets into a serious fight with someone comparable to the rest of the population.

bullbaotog

Aoikiji..
Why didn't you just run away, as always? you could have escape from cp9 anytime…

Robin: .. Didn't I say things were different this time?

hmm..robin can escape cp9 but if she escape...Cp9 will trigger Buster Call on strawhats..thats why she said "I couldn't just stand by.....and watch them die".

i think she still don't know the real strength of Strawhats...

Angel emfrbl

@Aldrich:

Where does that assassin stuff comes from? I don't remember anything about that except Robin herself mocking Usopp by telling him her speciality was assassination back when she joined the crew.

Didn't she tell Usopp her speciality was assasination back when she first joined… Or was that Anime only?

I think she has just been doing what ever it took to live on until the SHs... Even if moral values meant nothing. Besides, she pretty much got betratyed along the way every step of the way... Most of her moral values were lost a long time ago I think. Least until the SHs.