again what category is the Foxy fruit,noro noro?it cant be logia,it cant be paramisha,it is not zoo
It's Paramecia. Why wouldn't it be?
General Devil Fruit Discussion
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because it has nothing to do with his body.
It gave him a superpower. Hancock's fruit has nothing to do with HER body either. It didn't make her more beautiful.
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Any fruit that doesn't transform the user to an animal/buddha/human/whatever or to an intangible element (except ice, and maybe sand) is a paramecia.
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It's pretty simple really. Zoan = animals, Logia = (forces of) nature and Paramecia = everything else. Logia and Zoan always change the body, into a "force of nature" or an animal; Paramecia can do it as well but doesn't have to.
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Earthquake is a force of nature right ?
And it's paramecia so no.
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Earthquake is a force of nature right ?
And it's paramecia so no.
It's a paramecia because Whitebeard was a quake-man, not an earthquake man, due to the "Tremor Tremor fruit", in translation… so it doesn't count as a force of nature. Oda stated this in an SBS, can't remember which volume, but I'm sure someone else around here knows.
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Pretty sure that Oda said that WB is most technically a "vibration human". He can create vibrations, that's the power of the fruit, just the fruit is named the Quake fruit (names don't always coincide perfectly with functions, see Enel's "Rumble" fruit) and he's colloquially referred to as a quakeman (it's comparable to Blackbeard's "darkness" which is in fact gravity). However the similarity to a "force of nature" could be why Oda said that he's a Paramecia who is no less powerful than a Logia. And the forces of nature thing is his words, too. It's something like "… (Logia types) give you control over the forces of nature...". The word Logia, if I'm not mistaken, also means nature-something. Both are from SBS… not sure of the volumes, but I'm confident it's there (unless the translations I read were messed up). So yeah. Nature is definitely specifically associated with Logia types.
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Yeah, what Coruscation said. It also stated that if it was a Logia, Whitebeard would actually turn into an earthquake - however, since he only creates quakes (or vibrations, it's pretty much the same in that case), it's a Paramecia.
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To be a logia you have to be able to turn into your power AND create it.
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To be a logia you have to be able to turn into your power AND create it.
Ah, you know, this actually clears up the "Why Mr 1 is parmecia instead of logia" question for me.
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Ah, you know, this actually clears up the "Why Mr 1 is parmecia instead of logia" question for me.
Plus Magellan. I always regarded him as a Logia before.
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Plus Magellan. I always regarded him as a Logia before.
Magellan was still able to be physically hit even when covered in Poison - however you would be poisoned from hitting him. If Magellan had been Logia it would have been like Caribou who could absorb a cannon ball through him. But his actions were incredibly Logia like so it did confuse a few till Luffy was wailing on him.
Pell survived because he is a Falcon - Stop using him as a bad example.
The Peregrine Falcon reaches faster speeds than any other animal on the planet when performing the stoop,which involves soaring to a great height and then diving steeply at speeds of over 320 km/h (200 mph)
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Magellan was still able to be physically hit even when covered in Poison - however you would be poisoned from hitting him. If Magellan had been Logia it would have been like Caribou who could absorb a cannon ball through him. But his actions were incredibly Logia like so it did confuse a few till Luffy was wailing on him.
Which was exactly my point
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There's probably talk of this in the chapter discussion, but a thought on Brook's new ability, which until given an official name I will refer to as Soul Scout.
Up until now Brook's fruit power of Yomi Yomi has been simply Revival. He died, activating the fruit's power and rebonding the soul to his body and leaving him only with the Devil Fruit Weakness.
Brook's unique circumstances of being Just Bones allows extra eccentricities, i.e. running on water and increased jumping.
Soul Scout is another ability I think Brook is able to due purely because of his unique circumstance on account of being alive in a body that couldn't possibly live. So as long as he puts enough focus behind it, he can separate his Soul from his Body, and later rebond it back to his Bones.
As to whether or not he could rebond his soul if it were ripped from his body i.e. the proposed effect of Brook vs Blackbeard or if he were to be killed remains to be seen, which also brings up the question to how Brook could be killed and if he is, in fact, immortal due to this. -
I originally posted this in the theories topic, because i was somehow blind and didn't see this thread? Anyway, it's just a general theory about Devil Fruits, I've kind of built on what others have said previously.
Devil fruits, to me, are implied to be actual 'souls', of a sort. When a user dies, the power is freed- presumably it would naturally return to the tree where the fruit holding the power originated, and it ONLY does that when the user dies. No two people exist who have the exact same power. Blackbeard's ability, to 'siphon' the devil fruit power itself from a dying/dead user seems to suggest that the power itself is indeed a 'living' (at least functioning) and ultimately isolatable essence. And 'living' can even be in a more literal sense, as seen for example with Funkfreed, Spandam's sword-turned-elephant. Although, they can only be called a soul to a certain degree, since the user exhibits no effects that would imply troubles that come with two souls sharing a body. The power seems to fuse with the host soul until death, whereupon it is reincarnated within another fruit from the tree (Exception being Brook's power, explicitly stated, since it allows him to come back to life. The fact that the power was still bound to his soul made it possible for him to float around looking for his body).
Of course, if that's indeed the case, the question of how these souls originated comes next… and that's where i have nothing. Well, we have had hints of people knowing what Devil Fruits 'really are' (Obviously implying that they're more than just fruits that grant amazing powers when eaten), but nothing has popped up which allows me to form a more comprehensive picture; to confirm or joss my theory. There isn't really any evidence to support the theory that the powers were created by humans (except maybe the fact that some fruits grant powers centric to human culture, like Apoo's allowing him to turn himself into instruments), but I believe that they definitely weren't a feature of the One Piece world to begin with. My first suspicions lay with our mysterious void century. If the government knows the truth about both Devil Fruits and the void century, but will divulge neither (Vegapunk may know the truth about devil fruits, but it seems to be classified info otherwise), the possibility of them being connected seems at least plausible.
The theories about how they could have been created all seem rather silly in my head. Deals with the devil to get powers? Actual devil's souls that are trapped? People casting spells to create them? All seem pretty improbable.
Sorry if someone's already posted a similar theory and it's been discussed before. I'm not good at keeping up with things. And all of these possible theories may already seem pretty obvious to some- I just want to see what other people think.
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I originally posted this in the theories topic, because i was somehow blind and didn't see this thread? Anyway, it's just a general theory about Devil Fruits, I've kind of built on what others have said previously.
Devil fruits, to me, are implied to be actual 'souls', of a sort. When a user dies, the power is freed- presumably it would naturally return to the tree where the fruit holding the power originated, and it ONLY does that when the user dies. No two people exist who have the exact same power. Blackbeard's ability, to 'siphon' the devil fruit power itself from a dying/dead user seems to suggest that the power itself is indeed a 'living' (at least functioning) and ultimately isolatable essence. And 'living' can even be in a more literal sense, as seen for example with Funkfreed, Spandam's sword-turned-elephant. Although, they can only be called a soul to a certain degree, since the user exhibits no effects that would imply troubles that come with two souls sharing a body. The power seems to fuse with the host soul until death, whereupon it is reincarnated within another fruit from the tree (Exception being Brook's power, explicitly stated, since it allows him to come back to life. The fact that the power was still bound to his soul made it possible for him to float around looking for his body).
Of course, if that's indeed the case, the question of how these souls originated comes next… and that's where i have nothing. Well, we have had hints of people knowing what Devil Fruits 'really are' (Obviously implying that they're more than just fruits that grant amazing powers when eaten), but nothing has popped up which allows me to form a more comprehensive picture; to confirm or joss my theory. There isn't really any evidence to support the theory that the powers were created by humans (except maybe the fact that some fruits grant powers centric to human culture, like Apoo's allowing him to turn himself into instruments), but I believe that they definitely weren't a feature of the One Piece world to begin with. My first suspicions lay with our mysterious void century. If the government knows the truth about both Devil Fruits and the void century, but will divulge neither (Vegapunk may know the truth about devil fruits, but it seems to be classified info otherwise), the possibility of them being connected seems at least plausible.
The theories about how they could have been created all seem rather silly in my head. Deals with the devil to get powers? Actual devil's souls that are trapped? People casting spells to create them? All seem pretty improbable.
Sorry if someone's already posted a similar theory and it's been discussed before. I'm not good at keeping up with things. And all of these possible theories may already seem pretty obvious to some- I just want to see what other people think.
Am I thus waiting for a moment where Luffy goes to speak with his devil fruit to grow stronger.
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Has this been mentioned before?
Perhaps Lafitte also has a Mythological Zoan fruit - the Harpy Harpy Fruit (though I've no idea how it'd sound in Japanese) :P
http://www.mythicalcreaturesguide.com/page/Harpy
Just something to poke fun at, no real basis behind it.
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He seems more like an owl fruit user since he can hypnotize people and his laugh is hohoho
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/high fives Juvar.
But uh. Where did the owl conversation come from? Also. I thought they said there was a limited amount of actual flying types of Devil Fruits. I have the number 7 stuck in my head for it. but that could be way off.
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/high fives Juvar.
But uh. Where did the owl conversation come from? Also. I thought they said there was a limited amount of actual flying types of Devil Fruits. I have the number 7 stuck in my head for it. but that could be way off.
Pell mentioned that there are 5 known fruits that enable you to fly, his being one of them.
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I've been wondering if they count every Tori Tori no Mi model as one, because if Marco's fruit is considered as Tori Tori (mythical of course), it already makes two of them. And I don't think that falcon and phoenix would be the only known bird DFs, so there should be easily more than five different flying DFs. But I don't know, maybe they just are that rare.
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And I guess Shiki's should be included… so that leaves us with only 1 more - Marco, Shiki, Laffite and Pell known.
Edit: KNOWN fruits, so there might still be more.
I think that the bw agent was referring only to birds zoan fruits. Besides, I don't think that Shiki's power works with living beings, because he nerver had used in that way against any enemies, He can fly using his power on his swords.
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And I guess Shiki's should be included… so that leaves us with only 1 more - Marco, Shiki, Laffite and Pell known.
Edit: KNOWN fruits, so there might still be more.
Yeah, indeed. And then there is the whole Logia debate, Smoker and Crocodile can "fly" and even float in the air. I remember Smoker doing some sick tricks during Marinefold.
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robin could fly for like 5 minutes before time skip… maybe now she increased the amount of time
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Logias don't count as far as flying DFs are concerned, since they really can just sorta propel themselves upwards and float. And Shiki's was just levitation, he just happened to have things he could levitate on his feet. So far it's just Pell, Marco, and Lafitte.
I wouldn't expect it to count every tori tori no mi as only one, since it was saying fruits, and each individual model is an individual fruit.
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And I guess Shiki's should be included… so that leaves us with only 1 more - Marco, Shiki, Laffite and Pell known.
Edit: KNOWN fruits, so there might still be more.
shiki doesnt fly he levitates he explained that in the movie
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what about perona?
Whaaaaaaaaaat
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ohhhhhhhhhhhhh ok
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There should be a mythical logia fruit :D (im sorry)
Will someone tell me how to make a signature already? UGH!
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cough marco cough
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he is a mythical zoan you should take some halls for that cough btw
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no i prefer ricola riiiiiicola why said that!?
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There should be a mythical logia fruit :D (im sorry)
…such as? What sort of element could be considered mythological?
…philosopher's stone? elixir of eternal youth?
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well now that it isn't a bad joke anymore there are some mythical objects that could be used as logia fruits….. i guesss
Edit: Forget it
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they should have a dragon one
Whaaaaaaaaaat
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@IDC:
they should have a dragon one
I would guess that we'd see one in Wano.
Actually I wonder if they'd do a 4 mythological beasts thing in this. We have a Phoenix so far. Just need what, a tiger, a turtle and a dragon?
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tigers and turtles actually exist maybe a sea monster and cerberus
Whaaaaaaaaaat
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Hmmm… if there's a Hito Hito no Mi can we hope to see a Giant Giant no mi? Or even a Fishman Fruit? Though the Fishman fruit would be rendered useless I don't see why they ought to be (more) discriminated :P
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@IDC:
tigers and turtles actually exist maybe a sea monster and cerberus
Well I know Tigers and Turtles exist, but those 4 show up fairly often. Sacred something or others or whatever.
@ Gallan: Hah yeah, a Fishmen fruit would be fairly pointless unless you get their strength along with it.
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yeah thats true but what about the owl and wolf they're sacred
Whaaaaaaaaaat
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Hoping for a Titan one myself, we only seen 2 Mythology fruits so far right? Sengoku and Marcos.
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@IDC:
yeah thats true but what about the owl and wolf they're sacred
I was talking more specifically about this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Symbols_(Chinese_constellation
I would just like to see more DFs that aren't completely off the wall. A lot of the supernovas had really bizare powers that I'd need explained. Capone's seemed like a variation on Wapol's but took it to a really odd level.
