@Battle:
Kaku's two swords + two legs (Rankyaku) = 4 sword style.
Well that´s it. Thank you
Chapter 401 "Pirates vs. CP9" Discussion
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This was awesome. So now its explained about him using 4 swords. I was starting to wonder. Kaku seems pretty good so far.
Jayabura was huge with that wolf form.
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Color Spread: Why is that whenever I look at Luffy, I immediately think "Captain Caveman?"
-Three Swords v. Four Swords: VERY awesome
-Jabura's transformation: awesome.
-Giraffe-Kaku falling through the ceiling: PRICELESSAnd now, like your average cocaine addict, I sit here waiting impatiently for my next "fix."
Te quise tanto que supe entregarte enterita mi alma
Te quise tanto que nunca escuche lo que hablaban de mí
Te quise tanto que para olvidarte una vida no alcanza, que queda
Perder la esperanza de andar por el mundo buscando por tí.
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I feel like Kaku's fight style will be a lot clearer when it is animated. It's very difficult to convey the sense of speed that he uses for the rankyaku. Speaking of the anime, I can imagine the Kaku transformation scene will be absolutely hilarious when it gets animated.
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i don't think it would do him any good to have rumble balls. chopper trained for a very long time to be able to learn and use all the diffrent abilities that come with the rumble ball. i doubt lucci would eat one and automatically use all the diffrent abilities right away it would make chopper look lame if that was the case.
Not to mention he'd have to know they exist, and what they do for him to want/try to use them, and Chopper never uses a Rumble Ball straight into a fight, he always saves them for a while, till he gets to grips with the enemy as it were.
Also, now that we see Jyabura as well as Lucchi is one big son of a gun when he's transformed, and Chopper gets way bigger than his normal child like size in his half and half state, is this enough evidence to suggest that Zoan types get bigger as they get physically stronger and tougher?
If this is indeed so, will we eventually see a 12 foot Chopper, and just how massive will Bartholemew Bear be? :unsure:
I'm hoping that Chopper/Luffy have a team match against Spandam, Funk Freed and Lucchi, and Chopper picks up some tips and tricks from the fight about Zoan types and Zoan fighting styles etc. Followed by him having a similiarly character evolving part to the story next arc, like Usopp is having now.
He needs it most of anyone in the crew at this stage in my opinion.
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@Son:
And now, like your average cocaine addict, I sit here waiting impatiently for my next "fix."
QFT
It is really tough to wait for the next chapter when the story is featuring fights. When we´re having character or story development then it´s easier because we can spend some time in understanding and speculating all aspects of it. But fights are just fights. They are understood very easily end after a short while you can´t take any more stuff out of them. That´s why it is so hard to wait for the next fix because OP fights are awesome.
And to make things even worse I guess we all know that next week we will probably see none of the characters on the last spread. :sad:
Also, now that we see Jyabura as well as Lucchi is one big son of a gun when he's transformed, and Chopper gets way bigger than his normal child like size in his half and half state, is this enough evidence to suggest that Zoan types get bigger as they get physically stronger and tougher?
Well if you think back at Dalton, Pell or Chaka then they didn´t grow twice as big when they transformed into half-animal mode. Chaka didn´t even grow a bit he just transformed. And Chopper is actually huge in human mode. Of course he looks much different then in his original animal form.
Lucci and Jabura are only bigger because they have superhuman bodies thanks to the training they´ve had since they were very young. Lucci said that only a zoan type improves your power. And if you have superhuman powers then it will infect your zoan ability too. At least that´s what I take it to be.
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Well if you think back at Dalton, Pell or Chaka then they didn´t grow twice as big when they transformed into half-animal mode. Chaka didn´t even grow a bit he just transformed. And Chopper is actually huge in human mode. Of course he looks much different then in his original animal form.
Lucci and Jabura are only bigger because they have superhuman bodies thanks to the training they´ve had since they were very young. Lucci said that only a zoan type improves your power. And if you have superhuman powers then it will infect your zoan ability too. At least that´s what I take it to be.
Kinda my point really. Pell, Chake etc. are all pretty weak fighters from what we've seen. The only really strong Zoans shown so far in their half/half state are the CP9'ers, and possibly Chopper, all of whom are far bigger than normal in said state.
That is, if Choppers huge ass form is his half and half form, and not full human, which I've never been quite sure of. I think his small, child like form is the human one as he uses it most, and Choppers still only a young child in human years, hence the height.
I could easily be wrong, but even if I'm not, that doesn't discount my point, it just limits the sample size for the hypothesis by another one, and suggests that it could also just be some kind of training or secret thing CP9 Zoan users know.
Edit: Most of all I just want to see Chopper get some self confidence, and use some techniques in a fight besides Rumble Ball and the differant transformation points.
He most of all the crew needs it, Usopp has loads of differant techniques, and has proven himself several times against strong enemies. And while Nami hasn't done this so much, she looked quite sure and self confident all through this arc.
Just look at her on the parapet opposite CP9 back in chapter 389 (I think), Usopp and Chopper are obviously scared and putting on a brave face, but Nami has a small smile on her face, with not a hint of worry or fear.
This is possibly just because she's gone through nearly the same thing, but even if so, it still show's confidence.
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That is, if Choppers huge ass form is his half and half form, and not full human, which I've never been quite sure of. I think his small, child like form is the human one as he uses it most, and Choppers still only a young child in human years, hence the height.
Just a minor correction. Choppers huge form is his human form. That´s what has been said. The little from is his half animal half human form which is clear because he still has his antlers and hoves in this from which he doesn´t have in the huge form
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Just a minor correction. Choppers huge form is his human form. That´s what has been said. The little from is his half animal half human form which is clear because he still has his antlers and hoves in this from which he doesn´t have in the huge form
I stand corrected. Thanks.
But like I said, this doesn't disprove what I've said, it just limits the sample size for of the theory to CP9 Zoan users, and opens the possibility that theres something they know/do to facilitate this huge growth spurt in half/half form.
It does make it a lot less likely to be a natural thing, and not something the CP9 members know/do though, I will say.
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Those pages pages with Zoro's and Kaku's fight are a work of art! The movement, the perspective, the flow of the page dies. It's gorgeous. Gorgeous I say! Can't wait for the higher quality scan then I'm going to spend the day studying every detail. Huzzah!
And I don't care what anyone says I think giraffes are cool. They're big and tough and pretty dangerous. And they have lovely big eyes and long eyelashes. I think Kaku has become my favourite villain ever :happy:.
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And I don't care what anyone says I think giraffes are cool. They're big and tough and pretty dangerous. And they have lovely big eyes and long eyelashes. I think Kaku has become my favourite villain ever :happy:.
Giraffes do rule, it's true.
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But like I said, this doesn't disprove what I've said, it just limits the sample size for of the theory to CP9 Zoan users, and opens the possibility that theres something they know/do to facilitate this huge growth spurt in half/half form.
No it doesn´t disprove it. Wasn´t my point anyways. Just wanted to add some minor corrections.
Your point itself is valid. Lucci´s words from [chapter 349](http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/chapter 349) support that.
It does make it a lot less likely to be a natural thing, and not something the CP9 members know/do though, I will say.
Well I guess CP9 learned it from experience. I think that this is a discovery they made during the combination of training and zoan abilities.
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Speaking of training and Zoan abilities, I wonder if it's possible to train yourself to do extra forms? I can see two reasons why oda might do this: To power up Chopper, and broing more variety in future Zoan villains.
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cute, too bad e1n spoiled the giraffe thing for me just before I noticed the new chapter is up, otherwise I'd be really shocked ; P
Thanks e1n for this awesome gift <3
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oh, it's from e1n's doodle in deviantArt here:
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/29510897/
I noticed the cap and realized that Kaku is a giraffe zoan XD
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Thanks BF!! Awesome chapter. Giraffe-Kaku falling through the ceiling is the coolest thing ever. Kaku's face is priceless. XD
And Jabura does look pretty badass.
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Which chapter is that from? (the swift kick to the face from kaku i mean)
Oh and again, Thanks BF! great chapter!
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And I don't care what anyone says I think giraffes are cool. They're big and tough and pretty dangerous. And they have lovely big eyes and long eyelashes. I think Kaku has become my favourite villain ever :happy:.
True, true. And the funny thing is, everybody laughs at Kaku for having that supposedly super weak fruit and at the same time praises Jyabura for his badassness (yeah I'm making up words), but in nature a wolf wouldn't have a snowball chance in hell to defeat an adult male giraffe.
Kaku rules. It's too bad we'll never see him again once Zoro defeats him though, he'd almost deserve to become a semi regular character like Smoker or Buggy.
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Kaku rules. It's too bad we'll never see him again once Zoro defeats him though, he'd almost deserve to become a semi regular character like Smoker or Buggy.
There is a great possibibility for Kaku to return later in the series. The mungiwara is going to face The GV again for sure, so if were lucky he surivives and return then ^^
But NOTHING is predictable now, or will ever be about OP. Oda is a damn genius, and when we think we know his plans, he laughs at us and owns us with some awesomness!
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From my first post on Chapter 400:
And by that I don't mean it will happen to Usopp again, but we could be in for more than X VS X.
And I even mentioned to several people in PM, "Gee wouldn't it be cool if fights collided since they're fighting inside" (looks @ EGX)
Sometimes Oda comes out of left field (GIRAFFE?) and sometimes you can read him like a book. Luckily those times are only when you can call yourself satisfied with the outcome because from here on I have NO FREAKING CLUE AND AM VERY EXCITED!!!!!
Enough with the Pondo Hou series though. I hope he just stuck that in there to finish it off.
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Ooh, I missed the complete lack of Chopper in this chapter. :( I wonder where he is.
As for next chapter, I hope that they continue this specific fight between Zoro, Ussop and Jyabura and Kaku and not skip to another character's fight, like some mentioned, even if it is in brief just to see some dialogue.
And yes, like others have said, Jyabura's ridiculing comments will be awesome. :D
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Those pages pages with Zoro's and Kaku's fight are a work of art! The movement, the perspective, the flow of the page dies. It's gorgeous. Gorgeous I say! Can't wait for the higher quality scan then I'm going to spend the day studying every detail. Huzzah!
Man, do I agree with you! And thanks BF for the chap!
I was like: OMG this is so awesome… (apart from the fact that the hotness of Zoro in those pages almost killed me... anyways
)I just can't wait for more! Especially to see how Kaku will try to understand his new abilities thanks to the DF... and naturally, I want to see how Sanji's doing XD
~The princess and the swordsman~
How can you not fall in love with him?>Zoro x Vivi shipper forever< -
Kaku is a giraffe.:lol:
I liked jyabura in half wolf form, he looks cool. I want to see a picture with him and his Chicken, that would be awesome. Kaku's and Zoro's fight so far was cool like everyone else said.Next chapter I think we will have a page with Luffy and maybe what Chopper is doing. And Then the rest of the chapter will be Zoro's and Sogeking's fights.
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True, true. And the funny thing is, everybody laughs at Kaku for having that supposedly super weak fruit and at the same time praises Jyabura for his badassness (yeah I'm making up words), but in nature a wolf wouldn't have a snowball chance in hell to defeat an adult male giraffe.
Kaku rules. It's too bad we'll never see him again once Zoro defeats him though, he'd almost deserve to become a semi regular character like Smoker or Buggy.
A giraffe joining Buggy's crew would fit right in to the circus theme:laugh:
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Thanks. I can't wait for the next chapter…
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Gee, but someone was right (I think I read it earlier in the thread…) so I quote... Zoro isn't taking the fight seriously yet (to be compared to the fight with Mr. 1 in Alabasta...)
He hasn't put on his bandana yet... so... if the first part of the chapter was badass... I can't wait for the rest!!!! <3 <3 <3 -
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True, true. And the funny thing is, everybody laughs at Kaku for having that supposedly super weak fruit and at the same time praises Jyabura for his badassness (yeah I'm making up words), but in nature a wolf wouldn't have a snowball chance in hell to defeat an adult male giraffe.
.....You are absolutely right. A giraffe can easily kill a lion or any other predator on the savanna. The really dangerous animals out there are Hippopotamus, Elephants, Rhinos, Buffalos, etc. The big an heavy grass eaters.
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You are absolutely right. A giraffe can easily kill a lion or any other predator on the savanna. The really dangerous animals out there are Hippopotamus, Elephants, Rhinos, Buffalos, etc. The big an heavy grass eaters.
Doesn't the hippo have like, the most human kills of any animal? I know they like to ram into boats going down the congo and bust them up….
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Yup, Hippos are pure evil behind those funny ears.
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Hippopotami are absolutely dangerous http://www.zoo.org/educate/fact_sheets/savana/hippo3.htm. I guess that's why you ride them for adventure.
Chopper has only been "gone" for two chapters at this point. We had a Sanji dry spell for what seemed like forever last year. Oda brought him back with a vengence though. He got a series of fights on the sea train and his character was enhanced by the experience (our favorite chef is good with cutlery). Oda will probably pursue a similar route with Chopper soon. Those rumble balls enable Chopper to alter his initial Zoan powers and shift them to more useful forms. We could very well see him transform in a few new ways as the battles progress. Whether he is going to meet up with Luffy, find a key elsewhere, or help another crewmate remains to be seen.
@ omae: What did you mean about the Pondo Hou series? I know that's a reference to Zoro's cannon techniques, but were they used extensively in the fight sequence?
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oda provided me with a way to give up in my takehome quantum field theory exam… WITH STYLE!
all hail oda and his infinite wackiness!
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I don't have a clue of what the first part was :P But the Kaku-raffe sketch is wicked :D Great work ;)
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Haha e1n, don't give up! I'd help you if I could.
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given Kaku's yantouru (four sword style) he would've been a much much better opponent for Sanji, Zoro's already proved, it's not the number of swords, it's how you use them (even though one sword zoro - significantly weaker).
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I disagree sabret00th, because last time he fought someone using multiple swords his opponent was a pushover.
Kaku can use four swords and use them effectively, in other words, while Kaku is using four swords, he's not relying on the number of swords he has, whereas Haachi was. Haachi was just like "I have six swords therefore I'm awesome."
Kaku is like, "I've got four swords and I can use all of them very effectively." And he can, considering the fact that he's fighting evenly with Zoro, who's an amazing swordsman and who has not had any trouble hitting his opponents for the entire series, except for Mihawk. Againt mr.1, the problem wasn't that mr. 1 was able to dodge zoro's attacks or parry them, he wasn't, Zoro was easily able to find oppenings and slash him in the stomach, etc. His only difficulty was cutting the steel.
The fact that Zoro is having trouble finding openings in Kaku's technique, and is thus far unable to cut him shows a tremendous amount of skill on Kaku's part, and it gives a lot of merrit to his four sword style.
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SanjixNami
NamixFranky
SanjixFrankyOr hell everyone might just bust into one giant room and have a free for all in there, with the exception of Luffy (who fights Lucci) and Chopper (where is teh little guy? )
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Maybe it was just me, but Jaybara's wolf form made me think of some retro cartoon wolves. For some reason, I thought of Droopy dog. Must of been that bent snout. I just think that Jabyara's form looks almost comical.
If I think I'm insane, does it mean I'm not? Because a truly insane person wouldn't know that they are insane?
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The next chapter will VERY likely NOT be Zoro/Usopp/Jabura/Kaku. Mainly because Zoro is always next-to-last.
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Maybe it was just me, but Jaybara's wolf form made me think of some retro cartoon wolves. For some reason, I thought of Droopy dog. Must of been that bent snout. I just think that Jabyara's form looks almost comical.
Yeah he's definitely like the wolf in Tex Avery's shorts from the 40's:laugh: Hmm with those specs and clothes he'd fit right in the the Little Red Riding Hood story :laugh:
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@mystictapion:
no coments. this charpter is the "Saikou"!!!! am i wrong??
shudders
Anyway, the way things are happening reminds me of how Skypiea's battles were a little mismatched. The second Giraffe-Kaku crashed through the floor I decided I'm going to stop all attempts at prediction and just enjoy the ride.
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Doesn't the hippo have like, the most human kills of any animal? I know they like to ram into boats going down the congo and bust them up….
Out of the big animals in Africa yes, but buffalos and elephants kills allot too. However they aren't even close to the Killer bee, the Asian Cobra and the winner Mosquitos.
Excluding humans of course.
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Awesome chapter!
Giraffe-Kaku is awesome, as we all know, but I was surprised at how good a sword fighter he is. Does Ryankaku automatically make his legs hard enough to parry a sword (I know it accounts for the speed), or does he combine it with localized Tekkai or something? Because I wouldn't think just Ryankaku would allow his legs to parry a sword as well - and I'm pretty sure Kaku used it to block at least once.
And his wooden handled swords are cool.
The Usopp and Jyabura stuff was great. How like Usopp to let his fears do that to him. He woke up Jyabs…great stuff. And Jyabura's wolf form looks awesome.
I really want Usopp to shine, but we all know Oda-sensei is going to let that happen. If he does team up with Zoro this is just going to be even more kickass.
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I think that because his legs are "cutting", if his "cutting" ability is as strong as Zoro's swords cutting ability, it cancels out Zoro's cut, so his legs don't get sliced off, rather than it having to do with a combination of tekkai.
Not sure if that makes any sense or not.
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Thank you for the chapteer. The Kaku/Zoro fight was fantastic, can't wait until I can see that animated. But a giraffe XD. A long neck to go with his long nose, you really have to love Oda's craziness.
I also wonder what's with the chicken? If it's Jabura's room is it his chicken? Why does a wolf have a pet chicken XD.
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I disagree sabret00th, because last time he fought someone using multiple swords his opponent was a pushover.
Kaku can use four swords and use them effectively, in other words, while Kaku is using four swords, he's not relying on the number of swords he has, whereas Haachi was. Haachi was just like "I have six swords therefore I'm awesome."
Kaku is like, "I've got four swords and I can use all of them very effectively." And he can, considering the fact that he's fighting evenly with Zoro, who's an amazing swordsman and who has not had any trouble hitting his opponents for the entire series, except for Mihawk. Againt mr.1, the problem wasn't that mr. 1 was able to dodge zoro's attacks or parry them, he wasn't, Zoro was easily able to find oppenings and slash him in the stomach, etc. His only difficulty was cutting the steel.
The fact that Zoro is having trouble finding openings in Kaku's technique, and is thus far unable to cut him shows a tremendous amount of skill on Kaku's part, and it gives a lot of merrit to his four sword style.
you're indeed right, however i still feel as though zoro's yet to prove himself with one sword, i know it will be addressed in the coming ars, but thus far it feels like if you can get zoro down to one sword, anyone would have a chance against him.
however with all that said, i must say that i still reckon this would be a better right for sanji, it would raise even more questions are to who's the true second strongest and would endear sanji to us all more. however i'm hoping that theres a reasons that Oda wants Sanji to grow right now in terms of fighting a female.
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Wow.
It's going to be very difficult to say goodbye to Kaku if he doesn't end up with the crew. (Which I don't see happening; too many similarities to other crew members.) Such an awesome character… which is why I'm enjoying W7/EL so much. The villains are so much more individual and powerful (and, uh, cool).
I'm also extremely happy to see that both Sogeking and Zoro will get a shot at Kaku, since that was so heavily speculated (for good reason) before all this.
Thanks for the chapter, Battle Franky.
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Thanks for the pics, BF.
I absolutely love Oda's unconventional sword fighting styles. What great ingenuity. Especially on the sixth and seventh pages. Kaku uses a reverse grip with his thumbs away from the hilt and Zoro has to also flip his grip backwards on one sword to block Kaku's next attack. Then Kaku raises the two swords behind his back pointing up and away (really like that image), and then he falls back on them to avoid Zoro's slash.
For you Kaku fans, here's some Photoshop magic. I edited out Zoro's arm and swords to create a classic Kaku pose. You are welcome to resize it and use it as an avatar.
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@sabret00the:you're indeed right, however i still feel as though zoro's yet to prove himself with one sword, i know it will be addressed in the coming ars, but thus far it feels like if you can get zoro down to one sword, anyone would have a chance against him.
I recently watched Zoro's Arabasta fight with Mr.1 where Zoro first had to learn how to cut steel (excluding those steel chains on the marine ships.. hehe). Zoro was unable to beat Mr.1 with 3 swords, and then dropped them when he was dodging the rubble from Mr.1's last attack. He then picked up a single sword and finally cut the man of steel, overcoming a major hurdle in his growth as a swordsman. I'ld say that is a pretty good indication that Zoro is very capable regardless of how many swords he has in his hands.
