sigh Very unfortunate. Stupid masculine culture.
Death is one of those cases where DC beats Marvel. Although you have Neil Gaiman to thank for that.
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Death is one of those cases where DC beats Marvel. Although you have Neil Gaiman to thank for that.
Wait, Sandman is DC? I had always just sort of assumed it was its own independent thing.
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Death's first appearance was in 1973 in the pages of Captain Marvel and her first appearance in a Deadpool book was in 1998. If Fox owns the Skrulls, I'm PRETTY Sure Marvel owns Death.
And the Infinity Gauntlet story line was in 1991, I think Marvel has Death. Or enough to do the same thing as Quicksilver/Scalet Witch thing
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@Panda:
Wait, Sandman is DC? I had always just sort of assumed it was its own independent thing.
Sandman was published by Vertigo, which is an imprint of DC.
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Yep. Therefore, Sandman's Death is the DC-verse's personification of Death.
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To be fair, DC's Death made at least one appearance in the Marvel U but this was a Cameo and wasn't meant to be like "She's also the Death of this universe" it was just a fun "Hey, I'm paying homage to Neil Gaiman" kinda thing.
It was done with the permission of Neil Gaiman and Paul Levitz (DC Big wig at the time) and Levitz only had two conditions. They couldn't outright call her Death, and they couldn't show extremely specific features about her that would otherwise identify her as Death. So, you never see her face, and her characteristic Ahnk that hangs around her neck is there but tucked into her shirt.
It's just a fun homage tho, she's totally not the Marvel U's Death.
Now, anyone here who has even a passing interest in comic books should SERIOUSLY check out Sandman. It's pretty great stuff, especially the story "The High Cost of Living" since we're specifically talking about Death.
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Death is one of those cases where DC beats Marvel. Although you have Neil Gaiman to thank for that.
@Panda:
Wait, Sandman is DC? I had always just sort of assumed it was its own independent thing.
Vertigo is a DC imprint. It's the line that did all the cool experimental artsy adult stuff.
But its not really DC perse, in that its ~generally~ not the spandex superheroes. DC is just sort of the parent company. So crossover can happen, but it usually doesn't, somewhere along the way it became its own thing. The veeery first couple issues of Sandman interacted with the DCU (I think the Martian Manhunter was around) but it pretty quickly moved aside and started working as its own thing.
Same sort of applies to Swamp Thing. Who even though he interacted with Superman, Batman, Lex Luthor, Solomon Grundy, and Etrigan, (And the Fluronic Man…) is kind of left to his own devices nowadays as a horror title.
In both cases they started as something on the fringes of the DCU... but then sort of moved onto being something else and are left as their own thing.
USED TO BE Superman for instance, wouldn't interact with that particular Death, he'd be up against a more typical grim reaper skeleton thing, or the queen of hell or something. (though I don't think they were allowed to actually say "Hell" and had to use "Blazes" instead.) Was the case in the comics I read growing up anyway.
They've rebooted their universe a couple times since then, so I have no idea what the situation is at this point.
Yep. Therefore, Sandman's Death is the DC-verse's personification of Death.
Well… that didn't USED to be the case, in any event. What point did that happen?
Like I said, it was always ostensibly in the same universe, but also... not.
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Constantine has been fully integrated into the regular DCU and has basically become Magic Batman, in that he solves every problem with a plan for everything while everybody else is dumbfounded. Animal Man and Swamp Thing are also regular DCU characters now. That all left Vertigo pretty much barren, with its creator Karen Berger gone and the only significant titles left being American Vampire and Fables, and the latter is ending this year.
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I suppose now that all comics are aimed at adult males ages 30-50, not much point in separating the kids books from the adult imprint anymore.
Kind of a shame, really.
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Guys, I don't know that much about comics so I'm curious…how could
! Howard the Duck fill in with the Marvel Cinematic Universe? He's obviously hanging out with the
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I suppose now that all comics are aimed at adult males ages 30-50, not much point in separating the kids books from the adult imprint anymore.
Kind of a shame, really.
Marvel has definitely toned down the gore and grittiness after Joe Q moved up the company (ironically he's the one who always hammers that comics are for kids and old neckbeards need to find better hobbies). Ms. Marvel is a great example of a teen book and it outsells almost of Marvel's A-list solo heroes. Not shabby for a muslim girl who's been in comics for 7 months and doesn't have an absurd hourglass figure.
DC might have finally gotten the message as well with hipster Batgirl relaunch and Gotham Academy.
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Guys, I don't know that much about comics so I'm curious…how could
! Howard the Duck fill in with the Marvel Cinematic Universe? He's obviously hanging out with the
! Cosmic line of the franchise…but which group, exactly?1)He might not ever do any more appearing than that quick cameo gag
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! Is it even the real Howard the Duck or the clone from Savage Dragon?
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So…anyone see those pics of the trash bag...errr...Doctor Doom?
Oh my...
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You mean the completely out of context shot of an actor in front of green screen? I'm sure there won't be any touch-ups in post or how this scene might've taken place right after he was deformed in the accident that turned him into a burnt husk. Just like that guy with the Ultron helmet isn't really Ultron.
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1)He might not ever do any more appearing than that quick cameo gag
2)Space flight is clearly capable of getting to earth and around
3)Freak accident wormhole space gun thing.I'm just going to presume this is the direction they are going with this character. I'm convinced there's no way to pull off a movie based strictly around him without it being either awkward to downright terrible. Heck, the original movie pretty much demonstrated everything that could go wrong with that idea. But if Marvel does try to attempt this, they really need a miracle writer to have it turn out to be "decent/watchable" at least.
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! The post-credits scene of Avengers 3 will be Thanos kneeling before Howard and begging to be forgiven for his failure.
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I'm convinced there's no way to pull off a movie based strictly around him without it being either awkward to downright terrible. Heck, the original movie pretty much demonstrated everything that could go wrong with that idea. But if Marvel does try to attempt this, they really need a miracle writer to have it turn out to be "decent/watchable" at least.
Nah. The original comics were good. The fact that his movie THIRTY YEARS AGO sucked has no bearing on the character other than the notoreity… which of course they'd be happy to be rid of with another shot... though that'd be risky.
If they do anything with him at all it'll certainly be as an aside in other films.
(Also the long history of Ducktales and such shows theres no inherant bias against a Duck led film.)
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Nah. The original comics were good. The fact that his movie THIRTY YEARS AGO sucked has no bearing on the character other than the notoreity… which of course they'd be happy to be rid of with another shot... though that'd be risky.
If they do anything with him at all it'll certainly be as an aside in other films.
(Also the long history of Ducktales and such shows theres no inherant bias against a Duck led film.)
Yeah the comics were great. Loved the overall general cynicism (which I found to be its greatest strength), but I'm not sure how it will transfer well unto a film format since they did introduce the character in GOTG and thus made recognized his existence within the universe. It's just I can't see how it could be generally a "good film" simply due to how unique the subject matter is and the overall presentation of the comic rather than strictly the character itself (who is also remarkably unique).
I wouldn't even know how they would market this because it probably wouldn't sit too well with the rest of the Marvel films due to how odd it is. I mean, would it be an action film? Slice of life? Comedy? All of the above? Since it has the Marvel name associated with it, I'm not sure what the audience is to expect from it since the character is fairly unknown to the general populace (I think?). And if they plan on being faithful to the comic, I'm not even sure what direction they plan on going with it.
That's a major "IF" though since I highly doubt they will make a movie with him.
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Basically just play it like Iron Man 3. Make it a road movie.
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Yay, I saw GotG yesterday!
! You guys overhyped it for me. :P I definitely enjoyed it but not as much as I thought I would. Avengers tops it for me- if anybody's ranking.
! It's always easier to nitpick so I'll start with what I didn't like:
! Some plot developments seemed rushed to me especially in the beginning. Here is Gamora with Ronan. Now she's suddenly next to Peter. Now she tells us she's betrayed everybody and Peter decides to believe her instantly. Now she's friends with the other four. They all considered each other friends very quickly. I guess it's nice to travel with people when you're used to being alone…although neither Quill nor Rocket and Groot really were.
Drax's backstory about his family kind of came out of nowhere too. Although I'll have to rewatch to make sure. There is gonna be a rewatch.
Oh, one more: "By the way, you're half-human, half something." "Ah yes. Obviously that's why you were able to hold on to the Infinity stone so long" "Right. Thanks for clearing that up"
! There's other stuff I didn't like too much but I don't want to get too anal. So what did I like?
! The characters. They all got their special little scene (or two) where we could feel for them. Maybe not always executed perfectly but it was nice. They also all had something to do in the final battle. If I remember correctly Drax only got to kill Ronan's second-in-command so that could have been painted to be a little more crucial but I guess it's okay.
! The shift of tone in the scene about Peter's plan. Possibly the most hilarious part of the movie and suddenly it becomes a speech about self-sacrifice and honor and all that good stuff.
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Go Guardians:
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/box-office-guardians-leading-sleepy-labor-day-96277072787.htmlI saw it again today with my Mom. As amazing as ever. We were chatting about it later and I told her about how the director planned to change who Peter's father is compared to the comics for the sequel. Her reaction was, "Oh no, it's Thanos isn't it? That would be so bad if they did that, too much like Darth Vader." I had to reassure her that it was highly, HIGHLY unlikely that they would make Thanos Peter Quill's father. She still half-believes they will though, even though I tried to explain the Adam Warlock theory.
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So, we now know what the Vision is gonna look like in the movie.
Honestly, I like it. Looks like an adequate real world rendering of the comics. Also, Cap's new suit looks loads better than the first one.
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squints Not bad. Then again Vision is a superhero I know little about.
And you can barely see Cap's outfit. Unless you're talking about his outfit in The Winter Soldier then yes, that was a better outfit than his first two outings.
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So, we now know what the Vision is gonna look like in the movie.
Honestly, I like it. Looks like an adequate real world rendering of the comics. Also, Cap's new suit looks loads better than the first one.
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Beautiful …
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squints Not bad. Then again Vision is a superhero I know little about.
And you can barely see Cap's outfit. Unless you're talking about his outfit in The Winter Soldier then yes, that was a better outfit than his first two outings.
Watch Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes season 2, It has the Ultron storyline + Vision joins the crew…..
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^ The Ultron storyline started in season 1 and was better than the 2 separate episodes that were shown in season 2.
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It's funny. I really liked GotG, but I felt like I overhyped it after watching it. Now? I'm not someone who usually wants to watch the same movie more than once, but I want to see GotG again!
I actually did chores listening to Awesome Mix Vol. 1 yesterday.
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Well, Disney put out the official synopsis of Age of Ultron, and it reveals a few somewhat neat things as well as all but confirming something we all see coming a mile away.
Those bits bolded for emphasis.Marvel Studios presents “Avengers: Age of Ultron,” the epic follow-up to the biggest Super Hero movie of all time. When Tony Stark tries to jumpstart a dormant peacekeeping program, things go awry and Earth’s Mightiest Heroes, including Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, The Incredible Hulk, Black Widow and Hawkeye, are put to the ultimate test as the fate of the planet hangs in the balance. As the villainous Ultron emerges, it is up to The Avengers to stop him from enacting his terrible plans, and soon uneasy alliances and unexpected action pave the way for an epic and unique global adventure.
Marvel’s “Avengers: Age of Ultron” stars Robert Downey Jr., who returns as Iron Man, along with Chris Evans as Captain America, Chris Hemsworth as Thor and Mark Ruffalo as The Hulk. Together with Scarlett Johansson as Black Widow and Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye, and with the additional support of Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury and Cobie Smulders as Agent Maria Hill, the team must reassemble to defeat James Spader as Ultron, a terrifying technological villain hell-bent on human extinction. Along the way, they confront two mysterious and powerful newcomers, Wanda Maximoff, played by Elizabeth Olsen, and Pietro Maximoff, played by Aaron Taylor-Johnson, and meet an old friend in a new form when Paul Bettany becomes Vision.
Here are the interesting bits:
-Tony Stark apparently didn't invent Ultron in the MCU. From the way this is worded, it almost seems that Ultron, or the thing Tony tinkers with that leads to Ultron was already a thing before Tony got to it. Maybe they're going to name drop Hank Pym? A good way of reconciling the comic book origin without having to bring in Michael Douglas before his debut in Ant Man proper?-
It says they'll need to make an "Uneasy Alliance" in order to beat it. This almost suggests that a prior villain is coming back to help. But if so, then who? The logical answer is Hydra. We know Baron Von Strucker is in this movie, so teaming up with him and Hydra seems to be a no-brainer, but could it be someone else? Loki? Red Skull?! THANOS?!?!
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The only way this could confirm Vision is JARVIS any more is if the actual press release includes a photo of Paul Bettany winking at the camera.
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Most signs point to an "uneasy alliance" with HYDRA which would be interesting. I really hope they are going this direction since it does miff me at times when villains (the ones that actually have a stake in humanity being destroyed such as like HYDRA) sit around and do nothing.
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Uneasy alliance with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch.
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Well let's go down the living villain list:
Abomination and Ross from Incredible Hulk
Justin Hammer from Iron Man 2
Loki obviously but they've kinda done that story in Thor 2
Red Skull, the Baron and the new Hydra is possibleThe rest are most likely dead. I don't think Thanos would happen cause they are saving him for Avengers 3 and I don't see how he fits in just yet.
Hell maybe they mean Bucky, he's still kind of a villain but has more moved to anti hero at this point.
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Uneasy alliance with Sony and 20th century Fox
Spiderman and Wolverine confirmed
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I don't think Thanos would happen cause they are saving him for Avengers 3 and I don't see how he fits in just yet.
It was teased in the end of CA:TWS that Baron Von Strucker still has Loki's scepter. If it has an Infinity Stone in it, Thanos may show up and offer his help if the Avengers give him the staff at the end of all of this.
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Well let's go down the living villain list:
Abomination and Ross from Incredible Hulk
Justin Hammer from Iron Man 2
Loki obviously but they've kinda done that story in Thor 2
Red Skull, the Baron and the new Hydra is possibleThe rest are most likely dead. I don't think Thanos would happen cause they are saving him for Avengers 3 and I don't see how he fits in just yet.
Hell maybe they mean Bucky, he's still kind of a villain but has more moved to anti hero at this point.
There's also Crossbones from CA2
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Here are the interesting bits:
-Tony Stark apparently didn't invent Ultron in the MCU. From the way this is worded, it almost seems that Ultron, or the thing Tony tinkers with that leads to Ultron was already a thing before Tony got to it. Maybe they're going to name drop Hank Pym? A good way of reconciling the comic book origin without having to bring in Michael Douglas before his debut in Ant Man proper?-
It says they'll need to make an "Uneasy Alliance" in order to beat it. This almost suggests that a prior villain is coming back to help. But if so, then who? The logical answer is Hydra. We know Baron Von Strucker is in this movie, so teaming up with him and Hydra seems to be a no-brainer, but could it be someone else? Loki? Red Skull?! THANOS?!?!
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The only way this could confirm Vision is JARVIS any more is if the actual press release includes a photo of Paul Bettany winking at the camera.
They are totally dropping a Hank Pym. It's the only way to not piss off the comic purists. And hey, maybe Michael Douglas will get a little cameo, in credits or no, to go with it.
When I hear "uneasy alliance" I think of them going the easy route and going with Winter "Bucky" Soldier. That and I swear I saw pics of him on set.
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Uneasy alliance with Ghost Hitler.
Cap punches him in the post-credits scene.
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- It says they'll need to make an "Uneasy Alliance" in order to beat it. This almost suggests that a prior villain is coming back to help. But if so, then who? The logical answer is Hydra. We know Baron Von Strucker is in this movie, so teaming up with him and Hydra seems to be a no-brainer, but could it be someone else? Loki? Red Skull?! THANOS?!?!
My guess is that it's Hydra and more specifically that's the reason why Quicksilver and Scarlett Witch help out the Avengers.
But that could just be me.
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It was teased in the end of CA:TWS that Baron Von Strucker still has Loki's scepter. If it has an Infinity Stone in it, Thanos may show up and offer his help if the Avengers give him the staff at the end of all of this.
Yeah, that doesn't even remotely sound like anything the Mad Titan Thanos would ever do and so far he has shown he's not directly taking action himself, but letting those working under him to do his bidding.
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There's no way they'r ebringing in Thanos as a deus ex machina savior only to have to fight him next film, when the cast hasn't even heard of him yet.
Uneasy alliance probably means Scarlett and Quicksilver.
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Yeah, I was just throwing that out there because Thanos is one of the only villains we know is still alive, I don't think that's the case.
I think teaming with Hydra is gonna be the "Uneasy Alliance" and that's what's going to lead to Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch joining since they are in Hydra's custody as of now.
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Give us a trailer… please...
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Yeah, I was just throwing that out there because Thanos is one of the only villains we know is still alive, I don't think that's the case.
I think teaming with Hydra is gonna be the "Uneasy Alliance" and that's what's going to lead to Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch joining since they are in Hydra's custody as of now.
Not necessarily. From what I can recall, there's Baron Strucker, the Abomination, the Leader, Justin Hammer (though he hardly counts), Loki, (possibly) the Red Skull, Crossbones, the Winter Soldier (assuming he still counts), and
! the real Mandarin. The uneasy alliance will most likely be with Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver and/or HYDRA, but there's a surprisingly large amount of villains left considering how often comic book movies tend to kill them off.
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So they say negotiations for shooting Dr. Strange is just about done, and filming will begin in May 2015 and the film will release in 2016:
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=55586Y'know, now that we've got nothing but Avengers 2 to talk about for the rest of the year (and that is a big one), you could put out a few more bits and pieces there, Marvel. Or at least get off your asses and cast Dr. Strange already.
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Is it weird that I'm not really pumped for Ultron anymore? Of the Phase 2 films dedicated to the Avengers, Cap 2 was the only one I really enjoyed, as Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 were underwhelming. THey kind of lessened my excitement, but I was still hyped, then along came Guardians.
It changed everything for me. Not only was it phenomenal, but it made me want more of the Marvel Cinematic Cosmos, making me really not want to go back to Earth, and Thanos being even more involved just made me more excited for his story arc.
But before we get to that we have to get through Ultron, who I have never been a big fan of.
I don't know, I was moderately hyped, but then Guardians happened, and I want its sequel now more than I care about Age of Ultron.
Who knows. This could end up being a good thing for me. Most people are going to go into it way overhyped, and I'll have absolutely no expectations.
