Because there is not much to know about her personal history. She lived her whole life isolated and secure on Zou.
You can try to find an excuse why it's not like this, but you won't find any, because there is none. She's just plain boring and shallow, that's it.
Usopp lived his whole life isolated and secure in Syrup Village. Doesn't preclude him from having backstory.
I would argue that Carrot doesn't need much - some expansion of her relationship with Pedro would do the job, frankly.
Without love, it cannot be seen.
The purpose of a backstory is to explain why a character is like it is. That's what important.
Regarding Carrot, though, I'd like to point out that back when she first appeared in the Sunny she said something along the lines of 'Wanda is gonna yell at me!' And isn't that kinda weird? Carrot is 15, but she's not worried about mom or dad, it's apparently Wanda that would scold her. I don't think they're actually related, so does she not have any actual family or what?.
That's just how you want to view it, but based on previous conventions with tag-a-longs, that isn't the case. Especially for a character who is actively fighting with them and has been around for that long.
And that's how you want to view it, you're trying your best to come up with reasons and justifications.
It seems like it's hard for you accept facts.
Usopp lived his whole life isolated and secure in Syrup Village. Doesn't preclude him from having backstory.
You are comparing Zou to Syrup Village… ...really?
Ussop was basically alone, Carrot had all the other Minks to take of her, in case something happened to her parents.
Her backstory can't be nearly as emotional as any of the other Strawhats.
The most tragic thing that happened to her was Pedro's death.
Man, Carrot supporters stretching more than Luffy.
Wanda's probably just responsible for her and she's a troublemaker. They're both Birdies and Musketeers. Carrot is just younger than the rest revealed so far. She's like Koby in the Marines.
Now that I think about it, are there any 16-19 year olds in the Marines so far?
And that's how you want to view it, you're trying your best to come up with reasons and justifications.
It seems like it's hard for you accept facts.
I am looking at this because I like analyzing and speculating around things rather than taking things at face value. The "fact" is that she's still here with the crew with no justification. She's not even following her military leader into battle. One of the reasons people had stated for Carrot's involvement in Whole Cake Island was to preview and hype Sulong. That was the reason that was used to justify her involvement with the crew and that she'll become irrelevant. Okay, so why during the raid is she still with the Straw Hat Pirates? I think asking these questions helps you be more inquisitive of the things that happen in the story as there are elements that still require explaining.
Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
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Wanda's probably just responsible for her and she's a troublemaker. They're both Birdies and Musketeers. Carrot is just younger than the rest revealed so far. She's like Koby in the Marines.
Now that I think about it, are there any 16-19 year olds in the Marines so far?
That could be possible, though the fact Wanda never once brings up her parents when Carrot disappears is a reason that I made for that question.
Outside of filler, I think Koby/Coby is the youngest Marine character in the story.
Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Enlighten me, what can't I see?
Enlighten me, what can't I see?
Besides everything I just said?
Think about it. We've been with Carrot for well over 160 chapters and yet we don't know much of her personal history. Even analyzing little details it can draw an interesting conclusion. Like, where are her parents? When she disappeared from Zou, only Wanda was concerned and at no point did she bring up reassuring her parents. Also, when Pedro suggested to turn back, Carrot specifically said Wanda would reprimand her, not her parents. The Musketeers and the Guardians are known as the elite fighters among the Mink Tribe and so far Carrot is the youngest known warrior among them as the rest known ones seem to be in their late 20's/early 30's. On Carrot's vivre card, while not much is highlighted outside of general information like her height and age, her controlling Sulong at her age is considered rare and unusual. Another thing to mention, why did Pedro care about Carrot's training and growth? He was active during the hours of the day as the Dukes still had their squabble, and yet he was overseeing how Shishilian was training her. Her specifically. Not only that, despite being so young, she was chosen alongside Wanda to act as a Kingsbird/Ruler's Aid for reasons still unknown. At least with Wanda it was implied she was related to Inuarashi, Carrot's status on that is unknown. When you consider most tag-a-longs that have been involved with the Straw Hats for almost as long as she has, you would at least get some depth with them. However based on Oda's usually narrative convention, he doesn't follow that in regards to Carrot. So its easy to draw a conclusion that she's not that important at all. Yet, it brings the question why her presence among the crew is actively shown to draw attention that she's closely affiliated with them? None of this is ever addressed. Nothing makes sense with her.
You are comparing Zou to Syrup Village… ...really?
Ussop was basically alone, Carrot had all the other Minks to take of her, in case something happened to her parents.
Her backstory can't be nearly as emotional as any of the other Strawhats.
The most tragic thing that happened to her was Pedro's death.
And the most tragic thing that happened to Zoro was Kuina's death.
The point I was trying to make was simply that Carrot is not a character who requires some huge, intricate, impossibly tragic backstory to propel her to adventure. She literally jumped at the call as soon as she heard it.
Perhaps she has family, perhaps not. Frankly, I'm not sure it matters.
What we KNOW about her is that she had a student-mentor relationship with Pedro and watched him blow himself up to save the lives of the Strawhats, as well as herself. It's lacking some context that could do with being filled in, but that's basically a tragic backstory all by itself, with the only caveat being we witnessed it happen in real time.
The fact that she doesn't seem to be mourning "enough" by some people's standards is immaterial.
That's it? This nothing I didn't see.
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And the most tragic thing that happened to Zoro was Kuina's death.
I think you misunderstood me there. 
with the only caveat being we witnessed it happen in real time.
That's the problem. We saw it in real time.
Does every SH tragedy have to be from a fb? The way Jinbe was handled and the "that was in East Blue" comments shows that if Oda does add a character, not everything will be the same. Is Tama's tragic backstory about Ace not returning? We seen him die in real time
Honestly, all I'm saying is that there's probably a hidden narrative regarding Carrot that Oda still hasn't addressed regarding her. Possibly intentionally too. Even if you all don't consider her knowing about the Dawn of the New World as something personal that she inherited from Pedro since she hasn't talked or asked about it yet, it still bears to reasoning why she is still present among the crew. We're now at a point that we can at least acknowledge she's not completely irrelevant as so many people did when she wasn't present so much in Act 2. However, her reason for her presence among the crew as opposed to the faction she's affiliated with and her lack of a strong narrative presence for this long as opposed to characters like Vivi and Momonosuke/Kanjuro, who have traversed with the crew side-by-side as long as she has, is kinda strange. Despite this, Oda keeps her around.
There needs to be a reason to justify this. Oda doesn't do things for no reason. That's why we can have discussions on this.
Why is that a problem?
Does every SH tragedy have to be from a fb? The way Jinbe was handled and the "that was in East Blue" comments shows that if Oda does add a character, not everything will be the same. Is Tama's tragic backstory about Ace not returning? We seen him die in real time
Has been for every single Strawhat, for over 20 years, a pattern. No reason to change it for Carrot.
Fisher Tiger died in a flashback, Otohime died in a flashback.
Tama's flashback can be about her childhood before meeting Ace or even before Tengu, depending on how long he's been with her. There is potential.
Besides everything I just said?
The potential for Carrot to be a crewmate is absolutely open yo her, because she is a blank slate.
However, because she is a blank slate she offers nothing to suggest she would be either.
Consider that if her lacking backstory is an anomaly and a reason she could be a frontrunner, then let's analyze what this actually means. Let's take a look at other frontrunners that loosely fits this criteria.
Kinemon for example. Before we knew the revelation of him being Momo's retainer, who was he?
Without any specific backstory, Kinemon would absolutely fit as a frontrunner and would also be considered an anomaly, because if we didn't know the revelation in Zou, all we have are guiding points telling us he could join the crew.
Now of course he has some obvious cons as a potential crewmate, like having a 'son' and being another Swordsman with little other role on the ship, but if we just regard the aspect of mystery kn the story, then the lack of a backstory would open up more potential only because there is nothing to discuss really. Prior to Zou, he and Momo could absolutely join the crew and go adventuring. The possibility continues now, but with much lower possibility due to Momo's importance to Wano in the story. And that is what ends up tying Kinemon to Wano really.
With Carrot, she doesn't have a backstory, so she has nothing tying her to Zou. At the same time, she's lacking a clear guideline like what Kinemon had (Find his friends) and that is what puts her in a very awkward spot in terms of character building. Even Pedro's words haven't been fully revealed by her acknowleding any deep understanding, so the breadcrumbs are there but as readers we should be aware that… there are breadcrumbs everywhere. She is literally a blank slate, and needs to be regarded as one. The intrigue you are feeling is normal, because we fill in the vlanks with what we interpret and would be interested to see confirmed. I believe Oda is intentionally seeding red herrings into the plot, and the mystery is the reason we are all able to discuss the potential crewmate, and not simply be unanimously saying 'that character obviously will/won't join because we know their backstory'
Has been for every single Strawhat, for over 20 years, a pattern. No reason to change it for Carrot.
Fisher Tiger died in a flashback, Otohime died in a flashback.
Tama's flashback can be about her childhood before meeting Ace or even before Tengu, depending on how long he's been with her. There is potential.
Nothing wrong with relying on precedent, but there's always the possibility that precedent can be broken - especially when there's other evidence backing that possibility up.
Without love, it cannot be seen.
The potential for Carrot to be a crewmate is absolutely open yo her, because she is a blank slate.
However, because she is a blank slate she offers nothing to suggest she would be either.
Consider that if her lacking backstory is an anomaly and a reason she could be a frontrunner, then let's analyze what this actually means. Let's take a look at other frontrunners that loosely fits this criteria.
Kinemon for example. Before we knew the revelation of him being Momo's retainer, who was he?
- Mysterious Samurai of Wano
- Interesting design
- Strong swordsman who uses 2 swords
- Can cut fire
- Has interesting fruit power, even fits 2-9 theory
- has Talking Farts gag
- Is looking for his friends and his son
- Travels with the strawhats through many arcs
Without any specific backstory, Kinemon would absolutely fit as a frontrunner and would also be considered an anomaly, because if we didn't know the revelation in Zou, all we have are guiding points telling us he could join the crew.
Now of course he has some obvious cons as a potential crewmate, like having a 'son' and being another Swordsman with little other role on the ship, but if we just regard the aspect of mystery kn the story, then the lack of a backstory would open up more potential only because there is nothing to discuss really. Prior to Zou, he and Momo could absolutely join the crew and go adventuring. The possibility continues now, but with much lower possibility due to Momo's importance to Wano in the story. And that is what ends up tying Kinemon to Wano really.
With Carrot, she doesn't have a backstory, so she has nothing tying her to Zou. At the same time, she's lacking a clear guideline like what Kinemon had (Find his friends) and that is what puts her in a very awkward spot in terms of character building. Even Pedro's words haven't been fully revealed by her acknowleding any deep understanding, so the breadcrumbs are there but as readers we should be aware that… there are breadcrumbs everywhere. She is literally a blank slate, and needs to be regarded as one. The intrigue you are feeling is normal, because we fill in the vlanks with what we interpret and would be interested to see confirmed. I believe Oda is intentionally seeding red herrings into the plot, and the mystery is the reason we are all able to discuss the potential crewmate, and not simply be unanimously saying 'that character obviously will/won't join because we know their backstory'
I'm fully aware, but at the same time, when analyzing the trends that Carrot breaks to tag-a-longs by being a blank slate, it makes you wonder what Oda really has planned for her. Even if you can argue it won't lead to her being a candidate, the fact we have known her for so long, yet we are led to believe that there's nothing more for her is strange. That's why I keep proposing the question "why is she still here?" Do we truly know everything about the character since nothing about her is known outside being informed the surface level of her status? That there's no intrigue to explore simply because she's been on Zou in a relatively safe environment and that there's nothing else? That she has no tangible agenda to attend to she is irrelevant? Why waste our time with her? While we speculate to her being a possible candidate for nakama, her place in the story is just so strange considering the lack of attention and agency to her is in place despite traveling and participating with the crew for such an extended period of time. Add to the arguments that Luffy has never acknowledged her presence when he first met her, yet is still prevalent among the Straw Hats in the narrative is what makes her so atypical.
From my perspective, I've been interpreting Carrot's exposure by Oda as building her up as a close ally to the Straw Hat Pirates and a character who will grow into one assisting in bringing about "the dawn of the world". There is relevance in Carrot having met the Straw Hat Pirates, in having journeyed to Totto Land and now being present on Wano Kuni during this historic event. If anything, One Piece is a story about breaking down borders; whether those borders represent physical borders, sovereign imposed ones or emotional borders that characters unconsciously develop to "protect" themselves. Carrot may not know what Pedro's interpretation of "the dawn of the world" means but by the time the Wano Kuni arc ends, there will be nothing stopping her from defining what it means to her. Thanks to the Straw Hat Pirates, Carrot was able to experience the world outside Zou and learn about it. Thanks to the Whole Cake Island Arc, Carrot was able to see how coexistence between different races can look. And thanks to the Wano Kuni Arc, Carrot will come to realise the importance of a nation bringing down its borders and opening itself up to the rest of the world.
Much like how Wano Kuni isolated themselves from the rest of the world, the Mink Tribe also follows that to an extent. From how I see Oda developing Carrot's character, she will play a significant role in helping evaporate the Mink's implied closed door policy by sharing her experiences with her Tribe. By being present at Wano Kuni and helping them she is also developing a bond with the Wano citizens. Given time, the integration of Mink in Wano Kuni seems inevitable considering their history, relations and shared interests. Carrot may just remain on Wano Kuni after the arc in order to learn more about the Mink and Kozuki clan history and to assist in the two nations now actively working together again. Additionally, Carrot having met Jinbe (and Kawamatsu) has also exposed her to Fishmen. If the Sun Pirates do end up showing up at the end of the Arc this will allow Carrot to meet more Fishmen and in time potentially travel to Fishman Island. From three nations that isolated themselves, the current era may now allow them to dare to reach a hand out for support and to give support.
"The dawn of the world" could very well mean the time when borders are taken down and coexistence between nations, races and cultures can become something more realised than a dream a few brave individuals dared hope (in my eyes Otohime is one of the "strongest" characters in One Piece). Carrot could very well be the Mink representative for this change such as Vivi is for the Alabasta Kingdom, Shirahoshi is for Fishman Island, Viola/Rebecca are for Dressrosa, Mjosgard is for the Tenryuubito and Momonosuke(/Hiyori) could be for Wano Kuni.
Carrot being present on Onigashima Island while Nekomamushi and Inuarashi are there also helps to convey to them that she is ready to know more about the Mink history and to have the responsibility to carry it forward because that will be a weight she will be equipped to handle once the Wano Kuni Arc ends.
Well, it's a contradiction to say "the way Oda wrote back then is different than how he writes now", then rule out the possibility in the change of writing a specific aspect. It's either you feel that he can write some differently from back then or everything in an absolute manner. I've seen some use this sentiment in an absolute way, so I just want some clarity before I quote old post that contradict current sentiments.
That's the slippery slope of using absolute rhetoric. It can come back to contradict your point.
Also, if Tama's flashback can be before Ace, but Carrot can't have anything outside of Pedro, that is also a contradiction. It has been confirmed through the actual manga and SBS that many Minks have left and some have died. Is Zepo not a tragic situation? Is Oden's death that Neko and Inu went through not tragic for them? How can someone connected to Carrot be ruled out of possibility, but Tama is perfectly open to wait on some tragedy that possibly predates Ace?
especially when there's other evidence backing that possibility up.
What evidence? Pedro's death? It isn't evidence, unless Carrot joins. Until then, it's just a hint at a possibility.
The only case of real time death and a possible Nakama was Vivi and Pell, and well she didn't join either.
From my perspective, I've been interpreting Carrot's exposure by Oda as building her up as a close ally to the Straw Hat Pirates and a character who will grow into one assisting in bringing about "the dawn of the world". There is relevance in Carrot having met the Straw Hat Pirates, in having journeyed to Totto Land and now being present on Wano Kuni during this historic event. If anything, One Piece is a story about breaking down borders; whether those borders represent physical borders, sovereign imposed ones or emotional borders that characters unconsciously develop to "protect" themselves. Carrot may not know what Pedro's interpretation of "the dawn of the world" means but by the time the Wano Kuni arc ends, there will be nothing stopping her from defining what it means to her. Thanks to the Straw Hat Pirates, Carrot was able to experience the world outside Zou and learn about it. Thanks to the Whole Cake Island Arc, Carrot was able to see how coexistence between different races can look. And thanks to the Wano Kuni Arc, Carrot will come to realise the importance of a nation bringing down its borders and opening itself up to the rest of the world.
Much like how Wano Kuni isolated themselves from the rest of the world, the Mink Tribe also follows that to an extent. From how I see Oda developing Carrot's character, she will play a significant role in helping evaporate the Mink's implied closed door policy by sharing her experiences with her Tribe. By being present at Wano Kuni and helping them she is also developing a bond with the Wano citizens. Given time, the integration of Mink in Wano Kuni seems inevitable considering their history, relations and shared interests. Carrot may just remain on Wano Kuni after the arc in order to learn more about the Mink and Kozuki clan history and to assist in the two nations now actively working together again. Additionally, Carrot having met Jinbe (and Kawamatsu) has also exposed her to Fishmen. If the Sun Pirates do end up showing up at the end of the Arc this will allow Carrot to meet more Fishmen and in time potentially travel to Fishman Island. From three nations that isolated themselves, the current era may now allow them to dare to reach a hand out for support and to give support.
"The dawn of the world" could very well mean the time when borders are taken down and coexistence between nations, races and cultures can become something more realised than a dream a few brave individuals dared hope (in my eyes Otohime is one of the "strongest" characters in One Piece). Carrot could very well be the Mink representative for this change such as Vivi is for the Alabasta Kingdom, Shirahoshi is for Fishman Island, Viola/Rebecca are for Dressrosa, Mjosgard is for the Tenryuubito and Momonosuke(/Hiyori) could be for Wano Kuni.
Carrot being present on Onigashima Island while Nekomamushi and Inuarashi are there also helps to convey to them that she is ready to know more about the Mink history and to have the responsibility to carry it forward because that will be a weight she will be equipped to handle once the Wano Kuni Arc ends.
There's a chance that Zou was part of Wano a long time ago. This could possibly be her path. Is this role for Inu and Neko or Carrot tho? If it's meant for those 2, then where does that put Carrot? What was the point of singling her out if Neko and Inu can fill that role out anyway. Unless they might die. Then, there's a chance that Carrot can be Momo's retainer for the future class
Also, if Tama's flashback can be before Ace, but Carrot can't have anything outside of Pedro, that is also a contradiction.
Who said it can't be?
There is just not much room in her past for that, sure her parents could have died, but Carrot wasn't alone she had Pedro, Wanda and all the other minks to support her. It's just not the same.
Has Tenguyama not taken care of Tama?
Since when? Since her birth? We don't know any of that, he could've met her at any age.
From my perspective, I've been interpreting Carrot's exposure by Oda as building her up as a close ally to the Straw Hat Pirates and a character who will grow into one assisting in bringing about "the dawn of the world". There is relevance in Carrot having met the Straw Hat Pirates, in having journeyed to Totto Land and now being present on Wano Kuni during this historic event. If anything, One Piece is a story about breaking down borders; whether those borders represent physical borders, sovereign imposed ones or emotional borders that characters unconsciously develop to "protect" themselves. Carrot may not know what Pedro's interpretation of "the dawn of the world" means but by the time the Wano Kuni arc ends, there will be nothing stopping her from defining what it means to her. Thanks to the Straw Hat Pirates, Carrot was able to experience the world outside Zou and learn about it. Thanks to the Whole Cake Island Arc, Carrot was able to see how coexistence between different races can look. And thanks to the Wano Kuni Arc, Carrot will come to realise the importance of a nation bringing down its borders and opening itself up to the rest of the world.
Much like how Wano Kuni isolated themselves from the rest of the world, the Mink Tribe also follows that to an extent. From how I see Oda developing Carrot's character, she will play a significant role in helping evaporate the Mink's implied closed door policy by sharing her experiences with her Tribe. By being present at Wano Kuni and helping them she is also developing a bond with the Wano citizens. Given time, the integration of Mink in Wano Kuni seems inevitable considering their history, relations and shared interests. Carrot may just remain on Wano Kuni after the arc in order to learn more about the Mink and Kozuki clan history and to assist in the two nations now actively working together again. Additionally, Carrot having met Jinbe (and Kawamatsu) has also exposed her to Fishmen. If the Sun Pirates do end up showing up at the end of the Arc this will allow Carrot to meet more Fishmen and in time potentially travel to Fishman Island. From three nations that isolated themselves, the current era may now allow them to dare to reach a hand out for support and to give support.
"The dawn of the world" could very well mean the time when borders are taken down and coexistence between nations, races and cultures can become something more realised than a dream a few brave individuals dared hope (in my eyes Otohime is one of the "strongest" characters in One Piece). Carrot could very well be the Mink representative for this change such as Vivi is for the Alabasta Kingdom, Shirahoshi is for Fishman Island, Viola/Rebecca are for Dressrosa, Mjosgard is for the Tenryuubito and Momonosuke(/Hiyori) could be for Wano Kuni.
Carrot being present on Onigashima Island while Nekomamushi and Inuarashi are there also helps to convey to them that she is ready to know more about the Mink history and to have the responsibility to carry it forward because that will be a weight she will be equipped to handle once the Wano Kuni Arc ends.
The problem I see in this interpretation is that the Minks do not have a closed door policy. They are very much open to outsiders, even very welcoming. Their whole existence has over 1000 year history on the back of a giant elephant. That's why Minks such as Inuarashi, Nekomamushi, Pedro, Pekoms, Zepo, Bepo, etc. all head out to sea. Nothing stops them from exploring and seeing the world. What I'm surprised about is that it took Carrot this long to go on an adventure. And with her curious nature of the outside world, I don't think she'd completely be satisfied with just the journey she's been on.
And regarding the "Dawn of the New World," Pedro highly implied that Roger was a man capable of doing so, which is why he asked if he wanted to accompany him. So I don't see how staying back will help. Bringing the "Dawn of the New World" may be related to Oden's will to opening Wano's borders, but I don't view them as mutually exclusive.
So Pedro and Wanda have taken care of Carrot since birth?
Oh my god… I can't believe you...
It doesn't matter, because they would've been there no matter when, as would've the other Minks.
Tama could've lost her parents at 2 and met Tengu at 3, or any other time. In that period she would've been alone, Carrot wouldn't have been alone, because there are a bunch of other Minks to help.
You know, Zou isn't the kind of place where parents are ready to kill their children because of starvation...
Do you understand any of that?
What evidence? Pedro's death? It isn't evidence, unless Carrot joins. Until then, it's just a hint at a possibility.
So the evidence used to support a claim doesn't count until the claim itself has been verified?
We may disagree on how much weight to give certain aspects of a given character's design, skillset, personality, relationships, history, etc., but the evidence exists whether you accept it or not - it's merely a matter of whether it is sufficient to prove the claim.
Pedro's death was a mentor sacrificing his life to save his student and the people they were travelling with. We saw him, both through flashbacks and present day dialogue, express quite clearly that the Strawhats' journey was important, and that Carrot should help them. I'm not going to claim that it's a slam dunk case based on that alone, but it's hardly a "hint at a possibility".
The only case of real time death and a possible Nakama was Vivi and Pell, and well she didn't join either.
Setting aside the fact that I disagree that Vivi "didn't join"…
Eyes Reverie arc, reports of a death and an assassination attempt, claims that "something" happened regarding Alabasta, the fact that Cobra had plans to inquire about the Poneglyphs, and the fact that Im was carrying Vivi's picture when meeting with the Gorousei to determine who to "erase"
...let's just say I expect she'll be returning in the near future.
Without love, it cannot be seen.
The purpose of a backstory is to explain why a character is like it is. That's what important.
Regarding Carrot, though, I'd like to point out that back when she first appeared in the Sunny she said something along the lines of 'Wanda is gonna yell at me!' And isn't that kinda weird? Carrot is 15, but she's not worried about mom or dad, it's apparently Wanda that would scold her. I don't think they're actually related, so does she not have any actual family or what?.
With Minkman genetics being as random as Mer/Fishman genetics, there is a chance they could legit be sisters.
Oh my god… I can't believe you...
It doesn't matter, because they would've been there no matter when, as would've the other Minks.
Tama could've lost her parents at 2 and met Tengu at 3, or any other time. In that period she would've been alone, Carrot wouldn't have been alone, because there are a bunch of other Minks to help.
You know, Zou isn't the kind of place where parents are ready to kill their children because of starvation...Do you understand any of that?
Tenguyama is called her master and he recounts something from 4 years prior. Nothing is ever clarified. Carrot was shown young and taught by other Minks. No specifics are provided about her birth in relation to this very topic.
Carrot could've lost people at points, just as you assume for Tama. Where is the manga proof that shows Tenguyama being separate from Tama? He broke down the history of the village and who protected it. When did Tenguyama become Tama's master? When did Pedro take care of Carrot's as a baby? Panel please
So the evidence used to support a claim doesn't count until the claim itself has been verified?
It's just not evidence. Evidence is proof of something, but there is nothing, so how can it be evidence?
If you have evidence of murder that didn't happen, is it really evidence?
They're just hints.
Oh are we at the "construct backstory out of whole cloth" portion of our proceedings?
Tenguyama is called her master and he recounts something from 4 years prior. Nothing is ever clarified. Carrot was shown young and taught by other Minks. No specifics are provided about her birth in relation to this very topic.
Carrot could've lost people at points, just as you assume for Tama. Where is the manga proof that shows Tenguyama being separate from Tama? He broke down the history of the village and who protected it. When did Tenguyama become Tama's master? When did Pedro take care of Carrot's as a baby? Panel please
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I should've known better and ignored you as I do most of the time.
I try to do better in the future.
I apologize for wasting our time, trying to make you understand something.
If 1 can't pull a backstory out of nowhere, I don't think the other can.
don't over think it.
the very same case can be done about Shinobu too. her parents? why is she still here? why isn't she following her actual leader? something HUGE must be happening regarding Shinobu.
there are really a ton of parents that we'll never heard of, not a big issue, if we had a hint about Carrot's parents, then that's business.
Personally I believe she's in the frontlines just to do a stupid expression when Pedro comes back.
as for Shinobu? beats me.
I believe there's a chance that Carrot doesn't have some generic stereotypical "my parents are gone" sympathy story, but i'm not gonna rule it out and then say that Tama has a tragic story as well. That's a contradiction
It's just not evidence. Evidence is proof of something, but there is nothing, so how can it be evidence?
If you have evidence of murder that didn't happen, is it really evidence?
They're just hints.
If I have evidence of a murder that didn't happen, then I don't have evidence of a murder - I have evidence of something else, presumably something intended to LOOK like a murder.
Whether the argument you're using it to support is true or not, it's still evidence. You just have to reframe the argument to fit the evidence, rather that try to change the evidence to fit the argument.
don't over think it.
the very same case can be done about Shinobu too. her parents? why is she still here? why isn't she following her actual leader? something HUGE must be happening regarding Shinobu.
there are really a ton of parents that we'll never heard of, not a big issue, if we had a hint about Carrot's parents, then that's business.Personally I believe she's in the frontlines just to do a stupid expression when Pedro comes back.
as for Shinobu? beats me.
How is that a comparison? Shinobu is very much involved in what happened with Oden as any of the retainers, seeing as she participated in the battle against Kaido. She just eluded capture. Her backstory is shared with all of the Scabbards.
Carrot is just a blank slate that people want to assume is nothing more than what she appears despite being a random tag-a-long that seems way too invested despite lacking agency or even focus to the plot when compared to others. Hence, we inquire about her circumstances.
How is that a comparison? Shinobu is very much involved in what happened with Oden as any of the retainers, seeing as she participated in the battle against Kaido. She just eluded capture. Her backstory is shared with all of the Scabbards.
Carrot participated in the battle against Jack, shares her backstory with all of the Muskeeters, completely comparable.
Carrot is just a blank slate that people want to assume is nothing more than what she appears despite being a random tag-a-long that seems way too invested despite lacking agency or even focus to the plot when compared to others. Hence, we inquire about her circumstances.
that's really like your opinion/view of the character. is subjetive, not factual.
Tama was left with Hitetsu at amigasa a year ago after Drake destroyed the village, and thats when he became her master.
Carrot participated in the battle against Jack, shares her backstory with all of the Muskeeters, completely comparable.
Except she was a minor part of a larger event. The little we have of her is when she enters the fight and leaves the fight against Jack and just that Pedro trained her when she joined the Musketeers.
that's really like your opinion/view of the character. is subjetive, not factual.
It is subjective, but it stands to reason that she is a narrative anomaly.
Tama was left with Hitetsu at amigasa a year ago after Drake destroyed the village, and thats when he became her master.
I don't remember this being said. Is this from the wikia? What is said in the chapter doesn't align with how the wikia worded it
Hitetsu - "It must have been nearly four years ago now… Even then, this village was lacking for food... People even starved to death from time to time... But just when we thought there was no hope left... // A pirate ship washed up on the shore nearby
Hitetsu: Though it is just the two of us now, there was once a settlement here by the name of Amigasa Village. Over a year ago… A new "Headliner" by the name of X Drake joined Kaidou's army. // He defeated the five samurai who were this village's prime defenders ...and destroyed the entire village.
wikia - "Around a year ago, Beasts Pirates Headliner X Drake came and destroyed Amigasa Village. Hitetsu stayed in the ruins of the village in order to wait for someone, and a young girl named Tama stayed with him to wait for Ace"
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Hitetsu: There are places where she could have a slightly easier life... ...but she insists on waiting here...! For a pirate by the name of Ace... who promised he would return......!!
Yeah, i'm not seeing where they could have gotten Hitetsu becoming her master a year ago from. He clearly states that he was there for the Ace moment. Unless Tama has said that she's only been training for a year
Except she was a minor part of a larger event. The little we have of her is when she enters the fight and leaves the fight against Jack and just that Pedro trained her when she joined the Musketeers.
She was a minor part of the biggest event of Zou?
That's like.. bad for her case, you kno'
It is subjective, but it stands to reason that she is a narrative anomaly.
We knew she was going to participate in this battle since Zou, the real bad stuff, is that she wasn't allowed any Wano adventure at all, that alone already crushes the "extra plans view" Oda might had.
She was a minor part of the biggest event of Zou?
That's like.. bad for her case, you kno'
Mainly because we don't see her side of the event. She wasn't caught in the gas like most of the Musketeers (and Guardians) and played a secondary role during Zou. Which makes her involvement with the Straw Hats all the stranger.
We knew she was going to participate in this battle since Zou, the real bad stuff, is that she wasn't allowed any Wano adventure at all, that alone already crushes the "extra plans view" Oda might had.
We knew she was going to participate. What we didn't expect is that she's not off with the Musketeers under Shishilian, but rather the Straw Hats. Meaning that her involvement apparently means more than being a background element among the Musketeers, which I remember being an argument point brought up years back.
After Jinbe just 1… And it will be Yamato
10 nakamas as Luffy wanted and like BB and his 10 titans
I haven’t seen enough of Yamato to decide whether he’ll be a crew member or not, we haven’t even seen his true design yet, I’m just not feeling it yet, I guess we’ll see within the next few chapters, I just don’t think it’s him
Theres only 9 titanic captains, unless we count some unrevealed 10th like maybe aokiji.
In Dressrosa they made it clear BlackBeard has ten titans, they literally say it, unless I’m remembering wrong
BB is still recruiting. I don't think Titanic Captains will stay at 10. I feel like wildcards Caesar Clown or maybe Weevil Jr. will work their way into BB's crew somehow.
I think Carrot will join but Yamato is pretty much what I expected to fulfill a niche for 3rd "swordsman" missing from the crew.
Also I think the crew will be completed by the end of the arc. Carrot and maybe Yamato being the last members barring a pet or something.
That's not how ir works, that's not how any of this works..
Aokiji, Pinkbeard and whoever else you might add, are affiliates, sort of like Grand Fleet members, much like Cabbage and Barto.
Fact is, ten titan already exists, is already part of the BB pirates, just like Ryokugyu, it hasn't been introduced nor name-dropped either.
And giving the massive amount of new characters we've been introduced in the latest arc, the safest bet as of now is that ten titan is a new character as well.
I'll disagree on that. No dialogue so far excludes Aokiji as a possible Titan, and Burguess' talk with Blackbeard in Dressrosa leaves room for Aokiji to be in a high rank, since Teach compares him to Shiryu. Burguess wouldn't be so concerned if Aokiji was just a subordinate not privy to status nor information.
I think Aokiji is the tenth Titan, but he's a Sword spy and will be found. I wouldn't be surprised if his power is taken and given to whoever fights Robin in the final matches.
It is subjective, but it stands to reason that she is a narrative anomaly.
But a lack of information doesn't support her particular situation being an anomaly. Like I've explained with Kinemon, we could have assumed the same of his character had we not known his ulterior motives. And we've had this same sort of ally interaction with many other characters, like Law, Johnny + Yosaku, Bon Clay and more. We could dive very deeply into the 'Why are they there?' motives and we would glean the same sort of 'anomaly' out of these characters. It opens up the same rhetoric of 'don't they have better things to do? There must be some underlying reason they are with the crew!'
In cases like Kinemon, we have a clear and defined reason. He's looking for powerful allies to help him find his friends. In Bon Clay's, there isn't really any reason other than he consider Luffy his friend. Bon Clay could have easily let the Straw Hats be, but he goes out of his way to help/save them for nothing more on the basis of friendship. This can be interpreted as being mysteriously motivated (Why did he sacrifice himself when the Strawhats were considered the enemy?) but also as normal (He consider Luffy and the Strawhats his friends, which he values higher than his own organization).
And if we really look at the basics of Carrot… the Strawhats saved Zou, she trusts them, and she wants to see the world. It could easily stop right there and her character and story would absolutely make sense. It's not really anything out of the normal.
Her chances aren't any higher just because she has an unexplained backstory. She's still going to be the same 50/50 at which she started.
But a lack of information doesn't support her particular situation being an anomaly. Like I've explained with Kinemon, we could have assumed the same of his character had we not known his ulterior motives. And we've had this same sort of ally interaction with many other characters, like Law, Johnny + Yosaku, Bon Clay and more. We could dive very deeply into the 'Why are they there?' motives and we would glean the same sort of 'anomaly' out of these characters. It opens up the same rhetoric of 'don't they have better things to do? There must be some underlying reason they are with the crew!'
In cases like Kinemon, we have a clear and defined reason. He's looking for powerful allies to help him find his friends. In Bon Clay's, there isn't really any reason other than he consider Luffy his friend. Bon Clay could have easily let the Straw Hats be, but he goes out of his way to help/save them for nothing more on the basis of friendship. This can be interpreted as being mysteriously motivated (Why did he sacrifice himself when the Strawhats were considered the enemy?) but also as normal (He consider Luffy and the Strawhats his friends, which he values higher than his own organization).
And if we really look at the basics of Carrot… the Strawhats saved Zou, she trusts them, and she wants to see the world. It could easily stop right there and her character and story would absolutely make sense. It's not really anything out of the normal.
Her chances aren't any higher just because she has an unexplained backstory. She's still going to be the same 50/50 at which she started.
Kinemon and Law had an agenda, Johnny and Yosaku were expository characters that did not contribute much, and Bon-chan is already a friend of the Straw Hats where he goes out of his way to fight off Hina that was attacking them after the events of Alabasta.
If you look at trend of characters who are associated with the Straw Hats on their journey, there is a clear agenda to accomplish. Especially from the ones I just listed above. Carrot quite literally was not necessary for this mission since the whole discussion in Chapter 822 was to establish who could accompany the Retrieval Team. In a narrative sense and based on Oda's past conventions, there needs to be justification since her presence wasn't a central figure in either WCI nor Wano. Which is why her presence still among them is weird. You can't simply end it there with no explanation.
Needless to mention, even if Carrot didn't got caught by the Beast Pirates, nor the poison, she clearly didn't achieve much in the aftermath either.
