To be completely honest I never got the impression the meowban brothers were dead, Zoro cuts people up all the time and they survived, even back in the day like Axe Hand Morgan, Cabaji, and Hatchan etc
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Axe hand was tough, Cabaji he gave himself a huge handicap on, and Hachan was already a decent guy by the time they fought so he got plot armor. (And fishmen are 10x as tough as normal humans.)
Going by the dialogue of the other characters, and the resolve both Luffy and Zoro had at the time, saying things like "If you disrespect Usopp's bravery again I'll kill you" and them NOT appearing again when the pirates are running?
They're dead.
Again, by current OP standards they'd just be knocked out, sure. Oda was a lot more willing to kill minor characters the first four or five years.
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it never occured to me that they were dead. Neither was Bellamy. And I'm not really sure his return was really needed. It didn't help an arc which had already pace issue
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Looking back at them Luffy definitely did say he would kill Kuro if he kept laughing at Usopp in Japanese. There are multiple ways to say you want to kill someone in Japanese but I think it is pretty similar to English in that it is usually just lip service. Also, in Japanese it is much easier to tell how serious someone is by their tone, demeanor, and attitude as opposed to the words themselves. There aren't really curse words so if you say the word that literally means "feces" it isn't that bad but depending on how you say it the meaning changes from crap->shit->damn if that makes sense.
In terms of the fights it just showed the brothers cut on the ground, nobody really says anything about it which would be even more surprising if they really were dead. Plus Luffy even throws Kuro's body back to the pirates and tells them to not come a second time. I might just be way too accustomed to people never dying in One Piece now but I have no reason to think they're dead unless someone says "Oh, he's dead" or "He killed him" or something. Also, the brothers' bodies have clearly been removed during the fights and I doubt they'd care to risk their lives moving dead bodies.
Although, honestly, I think when I first started reading One Piece I figured people were being killed all the time. How much restraint would it take to not kill people with swords and guns or is everyone just ridiculously resilient.
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Well the precedent for quick and dirty death started with chapter 1. Lucky Roux shooting that bandit in the head set the tone for the series. With that and Shanks losing an arm, death and personal sacrifices are to be expected.
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I'm just gonna say that strictly speaking, Pedro doesn't need to be dead for Carrot to inherit his will in any capacity, just be maimed or something along those lines. Zeff is a thing. In this case, Oda could potentially have his cake and eat it too.
Not only that but a lot of people say that Carrot has no sad backstory. Remember that both Nami and Robin didn't have a sad backstory until later in the story. And surprise surprise they are female as well.
For me Carrot joining seems just like common sense in story telling. Because everything she did could have been done by Pedro or Pekoms. Technically she wasn't needed at all, but she is.
So storywise why do I think it makes sense:
- She joined as a stowaway like Inu and Neko did in the past
- Roger had Minks on his crew. Pedro got in touch with Roger in the past. His will was related to helping Roger or someone else in the future (see )
- Mink's have a strong connection with the Dawn of the New World.
- Pedro's will would/could be inherited by Carrot after his dead or semi death.
Looking at the current crew list:
East Blue:
- Roronoa Zoro (Combatant/Swordsman)
- Nami (Navigator)
- Usopp (Sniper)
- Sanji (Cook)
Paradise
- Tony Tony Chopper (Doctor)
- Nico Robin (Archaeologist)
- Franky (Shipwright)
- Brook (Musician)
New World:
- Jinbe (Helmsman)
In both East Blue and Paradise the second member that joined was female. So the next one joining to be female makes sense.
VERY VERY big stretch, she is blonde and with already have red and dark haired, blond does make sense on a visual sense.Anyway, I do believe that Carrot will be the next member of the crew.
New World:
- Jinbe (Helmsman) (Otohime and Fisher Tiger's will)
- Carrot (Lookout) (Pedro's will)
- Yamato (Oden's will)
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Yeah I do believe Yamato has a chance for now based on the nothing we have. Based on his looks I would say he would have inherited the will of Oden and would make sense on another story telling aspect: Luffy got Jinbe from the Big Mom pirates and then Yamato from the Beast Pirates (Animal Kingdom pirates lol).
Another plus point for Yamato would be that he is someone that used a mask like Usopp did with Sogeking and Franky did in his first appearance, who both were the third respective crewmember to join in their sea.
Anyway, I know some of this is definitly a tinfoil hat. But I do think it makes sense but it doesn't mean a certainty :).
The only thing that makes less sense is the fact that it would be characters really rushed in the last parts of the story. So having characters that are more known to us would be making more sense (though traveling with them or having a similar personality like other characters does work as well)." I have created over a thousand blades. Unknown to death. Nor known to life. Have withstood pain to create many weapons. Yet, those hands will never hold anything. "
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I like to think golden for Jinbe (sun and all). But I am not sure if golden is an actual color or just yellow with a sparkly filter.
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If Usopp can be yellow while having black hair and brown clothes, Jinbe can be whatever color he pleases.
I link him a lot to orange or yellow due to his jinbe's colors, thought.
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New World:
- Jinbe (Helmsman) (Otohime and Fisher Tiger's will)
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- Yamato (Oden's will)
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I think there's only two new nakama in the New World, one per saga. Jinbe is the first, for the Yonko saga.
But we will also keep having lots of allies and companions like Law, Kin'emon, Carrot and so on. I feel Momonosuke's story may not end in Wano and he may keep going with us under a special status.
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If Momo, Kin'emon or Law stay on the Sunny any longer, they will be SH. Even if Oda doesn't acknowledge it, justice will… it's called squatting.
They have importance, are trusted companions and friends, but are not crewmates in the deep sense.
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Is color theory still a thing?
I mean… Sanji's 'Black Leg' and 'Stealth Black' kinda throws a wrench into it all no? He used to be little boy blue, but now I don't know if that really stands today.
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I figured Jinbes color would be grey but that's because of the entire whaleshark thing rather than anything character related. Carrots color on the other hand I considered to be white.
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Not only that but a lot of people say that Carrot has no sad backstory. Remember that both Nami and Robin didn't have a sad backstory until later in the story. And surprise surprise they are female as well.
For me Carrot joining seems just like common sense in story telling. Because everything she did could have been done by Pedro or Pekoms. Technically she wasn't needed at all, but she is.
So storywise why do I think it makes sense:
- She joined as a stowaway like Inu and Neko did in the past
- Roger had Minks on his crew. Pedro got in touch with Roger in the past. His will was related to helping Roger or someone else in the future (see )
- Mink's have a strong connection with the Dawn of the New World.
- Pedro's will would/could be inherited by Carrot after his dead or semi death.
Looking at the current crew list:
East Blue:
- Roronoa Zoro (Combatant/Swordsman)
- Nami (Navigator)
- Usopp (Sniper)
- Sanji (Cook)
Paradise
- Tony Tony Chopper (Doctor)
- Nico Robin (Archaeologist)
- Franky (Shipwright)
- Brook (Musician)
New World:
- Jinbe (Helmsman)
In both East Blue and Paradise the second member that joined was female. So the next one joining to be female makes sense.
VERY VERY big stretch, she is blonde and with already have red and dark haired, blond does make sense on a visual sense.Anyway, I do believe that Carrot will be the next member of the crew.
New World:
- Jinbe (Helmsman) (Otohime and Fisher Tiger's will)
- Carrot (Lookout) (Pedro's will)
- Yamato (Oden's will)
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Yeah I do believe Yamato has a chance for now based on the nothing we have. Based on his looks I would say he would have inherited the will of Oden and would make sense on another story telling aspect: Luffy got Jinbe from the Big Mom pirates and then Yamato from the Beast Pirates (Animal Kingdom pirates lol).
Another plus point for Yamato would be that he is someone that used a mask like Usopp did with Sogeking and Franky did in his first appearance, who both were the third respective crewmember to join in their sea.
Anyway, I know some of this is definitly a tinfoil hat. But I do think it makes sense but it doesn't mean a certainty :).
The only thing that makes less sense is the fact that it would be characters really rushed in the last parts of the story. So having characters that are more known to us would be making more sense (though traveling with them or having a similar personality like other characters does work as well).Underrated post.
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What makes you think a shrewd guy like Oda doesn't suffer from a mild case of OCD?
Maybe he does but(among other things)to the point he feels their needs to be 4 recruits in the new world because their was 4 recruits in east blue and paradise?
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Maybe he does but(among other things)to the point he feels their needs to be 4 recruits in the new world because their was 4 recruits in east blue and paradise?
Sure, I get that. But it is funny to see that you have two parts of the story that each had 4 new members joining. I also mean to say; it is highly possible we get no one after Jinbe. I wouldnt mind that either as we get a more allies as well.
But both Nami and Robin asked Luffy to join the crew I can see the same with Carrot.
I could also see Yamato join as I mentioned before not only because of the parallels with with Usopp and Franky, all three of them are sons of pirates and wore a mask at some point.I mean everything is very lose and could be just silly fanfic until proven otherwise. But storywise a lot would make sense, as much sense that Jinbe would join the crew and especially his role as the helmans that works together with the navigator. In this this it is an unification of both Jinbe's and Nami's past and future.
Having characters join the crew so late in the story would be weird… but that is why Jinbe worked. He had a big part in the story at some point and we grew to like him.
Carrot joined for a large portion of the Whole Cake Island Arc and has been interacting with the crew like she is part with the crew. It could just be a Vivi story and she ends up being part of the Alliance and that is it. But Carrot's feats could all have been done by Pekoms or Pedro as well but they didn't. The way she is being interacted with makes sense for me for her to become bigger to the story and for us to get used to her dynamics.With Yamato I mean that is just a lot of tinfoil hats as we don't know anything about this guy. The only thing we do know is that he is the son of Kaidou and is wearing similar clothing to Oden. If he has similar characteristics to Oden he is easier to be likeable as well and thus him becoming a main character in the form of a crew member would be much more normalised.
But with Yamato we dont know anything yet so speculation is just huge and we could better wait until his story unfolds a bit more before we could say anything about it. I hope next chapter shines some light to it.
On a random note, I wonder if Yamato is going to have an eye patch.
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The problem with the will theory, is that it is contingent on Carrot joining to establish the pattern first.
The second problem is that Carrot was not the only one to inherit Pedro's will. As Pedro's sacrifice was the determining point in which Pekoms betrayed and abandoned the Big Mom crew for Luffy. Pekoms, throughout WCI would not betray Linlin, the reason Capone shot him off the cliff. And if anyone thinks Pekoms is dead, well, that's funny. flashbacks to when people thought Pound was dead.
So unless the parallels with Roger end conveniently, then Luffy would need to recruit at least 3 people from Wano (citizen + 2 Minks). Under this logic, it cannot be anyone but Pekoms that joins the crew along with Carrot and I guess Yamato.
Another point about parallels ending conveniently. The minks did not go to Raftel with Roger. So in theory, no Mink joined the crew so it would only be a citizen from Wano.
I will say that the way Yamato introduced himself has been my ideal scenario for the last crew member. Which is the last member is waiting to meet Luffy and go on an adventure with him.
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But both Nami and Robin asked Luffy to join the crew I can see the same with Carrot.
I cannot. Carrot is a very lackluster character compared to Nami and Robin when they joined.
I could also see Yamato join as I mentioned before not only because of the parallels with with Usopp and Franky, all three of them are sons of pirates and wore a mask at some point.
Why does this matter in regards to joining the crew?
It could just be a Vivi story and she ends up being part of the Alliance and that is it. But Carrot's feats could all have been done by Pekoms or Pedro as well but they didn't. The way she is being interacted with makes sense for me for her to become bigger to the story and for us to get used to her dynamics.
I think it's more of a tag along story like Law, Kin'emon, and Momo but more lackluster. Maybe Carrot, unlike Pekoms and Pedro, was uneccesary but I think their needed to be a mink that wouldn't be left behind and could fit well in the arc. Maybe to plant the seeds for her to be the future leader of the minks.
The only thing we do know is that he is the son of Kaidou and is wearing similar clothing to Oden.
People keep saying this but you all are just talking about the "decorative rope" right? I mean if he didn't have that no one would be connecting them so strongly right? I understand and it is suspect but it's just a thing and they haven't been the only ones to wear that so it could just be a design choice.
On a random note, I wonder if Yamato is going to have an eye patch.
It would be cool if he wasn't wearing a mask and that really was his face. :ninja:
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I don't really believe that Oda has some sort of pattern or formula to how crewmates join
the only one I can kind of see is the 2.9 devil fruit theory and that's only because Oda legitimately commented about it in SBS, and because all them add up to sunny-go, and because he had Kinemon who seemed like a likely to join at the time have a 2.9 devil fruit (even though we all know he won't join)
but even then I'm def not sold on that theory
all we truly know that's certain is all straw hats have a sad flash back, a mentor figure, and a dream they wish to fulfill
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It's simple: Oda knows which characters are going to join, so he builds them up beforehand and leaves clues here and there through dialogue, events or, some times, easter eggs.
I don't believe all the crap about numbers, colors and stuff. Those are made up later, like Oda has defined some character will be member first, then tinkers things like design or themes to make it different from previous crewmembers. He may even hide some of these traits on purpose just to throw us off, like introducing a second character that fits the themes readers expect, while waiting to reveal them in the real future protagonists until the right moment.
The fans then try to figure out those patterns, but anything they come out with is ultimately flawed because they are doing it backwards. We don't know what Oda was thinking originally, only try to find hints in the story that may or may not be true.
The 2.9 theory, for instance, is just some fan pattern that somehow surprised Oda, maybe because one crew member will have something related to 2 and 9 in some aspect, but not necessarily Devil Fruit. I really doubt DFs would be planned with a number pattern at all. That's just not how someone usually plans a story.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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The 2.9 theory, for instance, is just some fan pattern that somehow surprised Oda, maybe because one crew member will have something related to 2 and 9 in some aspect, but not necessarily Devil Fruit. I really doubt DFs would be planned with a number pattern at all. That's just not how someone usually plans a story.
What's the 2.9 theory? First time I hear about it.^^
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What's the 2.9 theory? First time I hear about it.^^
That theory about the crew's devil fruits being named after the numbers:
Gomu Gomu: 5-6-5-6
Hana Hana: 8-7-8-7
Hito Hito: 1-10-1-10
Yomi Yomi: 4-3-4-3Someone mentioned it on a SBS and some people even thought that meant Kuma would join because his fruit would fit the pattern (Nikyu Nikyu: 2-9-2-9).
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What's the 2.9 theory? First time I hear about it.^^
That theory about the crew's devil fruits being named after the numbers:
Gomu Gomu: 5-6-5-6
Hana Hana: 8-7-8-7
Hito Hito: 1-10-1-10
Yomi Yomi: 4-3-4-3Someone mentioned it on a SBS and some people even thought that meant Kuma would join because his fruit would fit the pattern (Nikyu Nikyu: 2-9-2-9).
Also 56 (Gomu) + 110 (Hito) + 87 (Hana) + 43 (Yomi) + 29 (Nikyu/Fuku/???) = 325 (San-ni-go -> Sunny-go)
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What's the 2.9 theory? First time I hear about it.^^
It's from a SBS: https://onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/SBS_Volume_59
**D: Odacchi! I noticed an amazing thing!!! It is that if you show the Straw Hat Devil Fruit users in numbers, it will be the numbers from 1~10!!
Luffy→Gomu Gomu (5.6.5.6.), Chopper→Hito Hito (1.10.1.10), Robin→Hana Hana (8.7.8.7.), Brook→Yomi Yomi (4.3.4.3.)
(1.3.4.5.6.7.8.10), but there is no (2.9), so is the one who ate the Nikyu Nikyu (2.9.2.9.) no Mi, Bartholomew Kuma, gonna be a Straw Hat next? Please tell me!!! P.N. SHANKUS.LOVE
O:** WHAAAAAT?! (shock) Gosh that surprised me! Why was I surprised?! NO COMMENTTTTTTT!!!!!!!! NEXT!!
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I hadn't heard about it until recently in this thread.
And, since my bet is a 2.9 (not in DF, thought), it kinda made me happy.
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I'm convinced that the parallels concerning the Minks will be not reaching Laugh Tale.
But Carrot could still be another honorary member like Vivi, and Pedro a post-mortem member.
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Pekoms and Catviper get that distinction, though obviously they don’t have nearly as much time shared with the crew as carrot, which is why not as many people are rooting for them to join
But c’mon tell me you don’t want to see Pekoms in a turtle hybrid awakened form and then go into Suulong form, I mean that would be crazy
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But c’mon tell me you don’t want to see Pekoms in a turtle hybrid awakened form and then go into Suulong form, I mean that would be crazy
I am hoping to find out Pekoms and Pudding were on the Tarte with Pound (all three were last seen in Cacao Island, and they escaping together would explain a lot about Pound's survival).
I am sure Bege and the Firetank Pirates will go to Wano, due to his link to Big Mom, and that the cover story will lead to it, so Pekoms being with him would be awesome. We still need to see a half-turtle half-lion sulong monstrosity wrecking things, after all.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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I am hoping to find out Pekoms and Pudding were on the Tarte with Pound (all three were last seen in Cacao Island, and they escaping together would explain a lot about Pound's survival).
I am sure Bege and the Firetank Pirates will go to Wano, due to his link to Big Mom, and that the cover story will lead to it, so Pekoms being with him would be awesome. We still need to see a half-turtle half-lion sulong monstrosity wrecking things, after all.
Lol I never thought about Capone making it to Wano, it would be awesome if we had an avengers endgame scene where everyone appears to help fight lol
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I think it's more likely that they will make it to Elbaf because of the whole thing with Lola.
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Lol I never thought about Capone making it to Wano, it would be awesome if we had an avengers endgame scene where everyone appears to help fight lol
The cover story is still happening during the Reverie, so at least one week before current events. There's time for them to arrive to the battle if they decide to go to Wano.
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I think it's more likely that they will make it to Elbaf because of the whole thing with Lola.
Why would Lola want to go to Elbaf?
I dunno, I feel like, if Gotti accepts her proposal, she would want Nami as her bridesmaid, adding another reason for them to go to Wano.
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The cover story is still happening during the Reverie, so at least one week before current events. There's time for them to arrive to the battle if they decide to go to Wano.
How do you figure the timeline? I don't remember. The focus is now on Pound meeting his family. I think the cover story might end like that and it's hard to imagine what happens next but their has to be closure with Big Mom and Elbaf and that involves Lola.
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I dunno, I feel like, if Gotti accepts her proposal, she would want Nami as her bridesmaid, adding another reason for them to go to Wano.
That seems like a sketchy reason to go to Wano. Chiffon can be her bridesmaid. What other reason do they have to go to Wano?
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How do you figure the timeline? I don't remember. The focus is now on Pound meeting his family. I think the cover story might end like that and it's hard to imagine what happens next but their has to be closure with Big Mom and Elbaf and that involves Lola.
Chapter 954: Capone was headed back to Paradise, but his ship can't cross the Red Line due to the ongoing Reverie.
Chapter 955: The Firetank Pirates heads to Dressrosa to resupply while they wait the Reverie to end. Everything else in the cover story happens in this same day.
CHapter 963: The Germ Pirates are attacking Dressrosa while the King is away.
Also, in the latest chapter, none of the tontattas that were in the Reverie are there: Leo, Mansherry and the two insect DF users.
The story cover is about Pound, Lola and Chiffon meeting up, but that doesn't mean it won't provide a hook that leads the Firetanks to Wano.
That seems like a sketchy reason to go to Wano. Chiffon can be her bridesmaid. What other reason do they have to go to Wano?
The main reason is Capone wishing to try again to kill Big Mom once he finds out she's heading to Wano after Luffy.
But other reasons will follow, you bet, like Lola wishing to find Nami. Also, I'm pretty sure the dangling plots of WCI will be resolved in Wano, which is why I'm expecting Pekoms and maybe Pudding to reappear somehow, and the cover story could be the way for it. I don't think Big Mom will have a third arc for her, and Elbaf doesn't really need her to have a story. Her defeat will probably influence the giants' attitude towards Luffy.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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Idk it would be kinda weird to have Big Mom have multiple ties to Elbaf and then not end up being a part of that arc
Then again I guess it would also be weird to have a villain group in three arcs straight in a row
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Chapter 955: The Firetank Pirates heads to Dressrosa to resupply while they wait the Reverie to end. Everything else in the cover story happens in this same day.
It doesn't say that they are waiting for the Reverie to end. Maybe they are but that is not specified so it can be seen as events after the Reverie has ended.
The story cover is about Pound, Lola and Chiffon meeting up, but that doesn't mean it won't provide a hook that leads the Firetanks to Wano.
Right but nothing points to that happening either.
The main reason is Capone wishing to try again to kill Big Mom once he finds out she's heading to Wano after Luffy.
Capone only tried to kill Big Mom because she had a "weakness" he could exploit. That "weakness" is not present in Wano.
Also, I'm pretty sure the dangling plots of WCI will be resolved in Wano, which is why I'm expecting Pekoms and maybe Pudding to reappear somehow, and the cover story could be the way for it. I don't think Big Mom will have a third arc for her, and Elbaf doesn't really need her to have a story. Her defeat will probably influence the giants' attitude towards Luffy.
The plot threads that involve Elbaf cannot be resolved in Wano. What plot threads does Pudding have that have to do with Wano? I think Elbaf does need Big Mom. Not only because of the whole thing with Lola but because of the whole thing with Streusen. I don't believe she will be defeated in Wano because that would detract from Kaido's defeat.
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Thanks Mahreow, otakufan and Deicide for explaining that for me. To be honest I can't figure out what I think of that theory right now. Perhaps I need to let it sink in a little bit before I decide wether I find it likely or not at all^^
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While Yamato's introduction was immensely cool and memorable, the more I think about Yamato being a potential Straw Hat nakama, the less I am inclined to believe it will happen. I find given his appearances and how it seemingly illustrates his respect for Wano Kuni culture and a supposed admiration for Oden, his role would be better served helping Wano Kuni after his assists in bringing down his father and Orochi. Yamato remaining in Wano Kuni along with any Beast Pirates that chose to follow him to help the Wano citizens rebuild and heal could be his way of repenting for the sins and suffering his father had subjected Wano Kuni to over the past 20 years.
As for the reason why Yamato is helping Luffy, I would surmise that Yamato has become tired of seeing people’s spirits broken down by his father and instead wished to meet someone who is able to stand face to face with Kaido without compromising their dreams (Luffy) - even after being knocked out by Kaido in one hit earlier in the arc, Luffy is still able to express with conviction that he will be the Pirate King.
My judgment is based on very little, so I am very interested to learn more about Yamato. What a spectacular entry Oda gave him. Through the span of three pages, Yamato has become an immensely fascinating character whose entrance beckons curiosity.
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It doesn't say that they are waiting for the Reverie to end. Maybe they are but that is not specified so it can be seen as events after the Reverie has ended.
Their objective was to cross the Red Line back to Paradise to search for Lola. They had to wait the Reverie as they didn't know at the time that Lola was on Dressrosa.
Right but nothing points to that happening either.
We will know pretty soon.
Capone only tried to kill Big Mom because she had a "weakness" he could exploit. That "weakness" is not present in Wano.
I don't think he's the kind of guy to give up once he gets a grudge.
The plot threads that involve Elbaf cannot be resolved in Wano. What plot threads does Pudding have that have to do with Wano? I think Elbaf does need Big Mom. Not only because of the whole thing with Lola but because of the whole thing with Streusen. I don't believe she will be defeated in Wano because that would detract from Kaido's defeat.
It makes no sense for Oda to pull Big Mom and her children to Wano only to make them leave. It also makes no sense for Big Mom to be part of the fight and not go all the way to kill Luffy.
Elbaf's story will be about the giants, Big Mom is only a marginal part of their history. She will influence Elbaf in some way, but I don't think there's any big plot thread with her or Lola that needs resolution in Elbaf.
Thanks Mahreow, otakufan and Deicide for explaining that for me. To be honest I can't figure out what I think of that theory right now. Perhaps I need to let it sink in a little bit before I decide wether I find it likely or not at all^^
To me, the theory is mumbo jumbo, but Oda made it public it because by coincidence the 2.9 meant something important in some way.
Or because he wanted to screw with our heads, who knows.
Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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It makes no sense for Oda to pull Big Mom and her children to Wano only to make them leave. It also makes no sense for Big Mom to be part of the fight and not go all the way to kill Luffy.
Elbaf's story will be about the giants, Big Mom is only a marginal part of their history. She will influence Elbaf in some way, but I don't think there's any big plot thread with her or Lola that needs resolution in Elbaf.
I have every confidence that Big Mom and her children (particularly Perospero) will have a role to play in the remainder of the Wano arc, but I don't think that necessarily precludes them from having a role in Elbaf as well.
While I'm not sure I would call her "easily distracted", Linlin has a number of desires that can pull her in wildly different directions (Luffy, Zeus, <insert current="" food="" craving="" here="">, etc.). If she can be "encouraged" to fixate on one of them, it's entirely possible a clever party could keep her busy by leading Big Mom on a merry little chase, keeping her from being able to coordinate with Kaidou during the final battle. And that's not addressing the factor of amnesiac-Linlin, which may well be brought up again.
Depending on how it plays out, I can see the Strawhats escaping out from under Linlin's proverbial nose again at the end of the arc, leading her to reunite with her crew and follow them to Elbaf.</insert>
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Their objective was to cross the Red Line back to Paradise to search for Lola. They had to wait the Reverie as they didn't know at the time that Lola was on Dressrosa.
Right but we were talking about the cover story of chapter 955. We can't say for sure if that it is before or after the Reverie has ended. It would be best if it was before but Oda can play as something that happened after.
I don't think he's the kind of guy to give up once he gets a grudge.
I don't think he's the kind of guy to try something unless he see's it as clearly possible. He has nothing.
It makes no sense for Oda to pull Big Mom and her children to Wano only to make them leave. It also makes no sense for Big Mom to be part of the fight and not go all the way to kill Luffy.
Them Leaving because they learn of Lola's whereabouts makes sense. It also makes sense that the alliance between Kaido and Big Mom won't go so well so it won't be so easy for her to kill Luffy.
Elbaf's story will be about the giants, Big Mom is only a marginal part of their history. She will influence Elbaf in some way, but I don't think there's any big plot thread with her or Lola that needs resolution in Elbaf.
The story was that Lola ran away when she was supposed to marry Loki which was huge for Big Mom. Then their is the whole thing that happened when she was a kid that also needs resolution. That needs to be resolved in Elbaf.
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Right but we were talking about the cover story of chapter 955. We can't say for sure if that it is before or after the Reverie has ended. It would be best if it was before but Oda can play as something that happened after.
- The chapter before shows it was during the Reverie
- A few chapters later it confirms the King of Dressrosa is away.
- Leo, Mansherry and the insect zoan tontatta are not with Pound because they are off to the Reverie.
I don't get where you are taking that the Reverie is over when the timeframe is clearly set during it.
I don't think he's the kind of guy to try something unless he see's it as clearly possible. He has nothing.
Then wait and see. He will try again.
Them Leaving because they learn of Lola's whereabouts makes sense.
So, Oda wastes time bringing them to Wano to hunt Luffy down just to make them give up and do go away because reasons? That's not the story that's being told. Big Mom was willing to fight Kaido to get to Luffy, she won't go away until she gets what she wants.
The story was that Lola ran away when she was supposed to marry Loki which was huge for Big Mom. Then their is the whole thing that happened when she was a kid that also needs resolution. That needs to be resolved in Elbaf.
I know the story, but Elbaf and the old Warrior Giants crew are much older than just Big Mom. Lola refusing to marry Loki does not make it necessary for her to be there in Elbaf. Big Mom being hated by the giants does not make it necessary for her to be there either. Elbaf will be its own story. Big Mom arc led her to Wano, this is the Yonko saga. She came to restore her tarnished reputation and won't leave and damage it even more.
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- The chapter before shows it was during the Reverie
- A few chapters later it confirms the King of Dressrosa is away.
- Leo, Mansherry and the insect zoan tontatta are not with Pound because they are off to the Reverie.
I don't get where you are taking that the Reverie is over when the timeframe is clearly set during it.
Over as in they have not returned yet. I'm not saying I believe this just that it is possible. The fact that it was not the usual Reverie makes it more likely.
Then wait and see. He will try again.
Based on what? Their is nothing.
So, Oda wastes time bringing them to Wano to hunt Luffy down just to make them give up and do go away because reasons? That's not the story that's being told. Big Mom was willing to fight Kaido to get to Luffy, she won't go away until she gets what she wants.
Because of Lola, yes. I think it it is possible. Lola is also something she wants and right now she is after Zeus. The alliance with Kaido also has much greater aims than just getting Luffy.
I know the story, but Elbaf and the old Warrior Giants crew are much older than just Big Mom. Lola refusing to marry Loki does not make it necessary for her to be there in Elbaf. Big Mom being hated by the giants does not make it necessary for her to be there either. Elbaf will be its own story. Big Mom arc led her to Wano, this is the Yonko saga. She came to restore her tarnished reputation and won't leave and damage it even more.
Im not trying to say the Elbaf arc has to be all about Big Mom just that she has to be there in order to learn the truth about Carmel and confront the truth on what she did when she was a kid. Streusen may have to be there for that as well because he knows and he pretty much sent Big Mom down the path she went.
