Also, the Mongols conquering everything between Korea and Poland also caused it to spread wildly.
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@Johnny:
Also, the Mongols conquering everything between Korea and Poland also caused it to spread wildly.
And hundred years to late to blame the mongols, but indeed entered Europe through the port of Kaffa, Genovese Crimea.
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Mongols unwittingly spreading diseases seems less messed up in light of them doing “other” things at the time.
Unless they took a page out of the British’s play book and were purposely spreading it among the indigenousness people of the lands they conquered.
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The Golden Horde introduced it into Kaffa via catapult though. Or so the story goes.
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Rudolph Giuliani, the cousin fucker himself has covid.
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Mongols unwittingly spreading diseases seems less messed up in light of them doing “other” things at the time.
Unless they took a page out of the British’s play book and were purposely spreading it among the indigenousness people of the lands they conquered.
As Uqib said they did through disease ridden dead bodies as a siege technique.
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https://whatthefuckjusthappenedtoday.com/2020/12/07/day-1418/
[h=1]Day 1418: "Nullifying the will of the people."[/h]
! 1/ Trump called Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp and urged him to call a special session of the state legislature so lawmakers could appoint electors who would back him at the electoral college and overturn Biden’s win in the state. Trump also asked Kemp to order an audit of absentee ballot signatures. “I will easily & quickly win Georgia if Governor @BrianKempGA or the Secretary of State permit a simple signature verification. Has not been done and will show large scale discrepancies,” Trump tweeted. “Why are these two ‘Republicans’ saying no? If we win Georgia, everything else falls in place!” Kemp, however, told Trump that he did not have the authority to order an audit and denied the request to call a special session. Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, meanwhile, said a special session to overturn the state’s election results “would be then nullifying the will of the people.” (Washington Post / Politico / CNN / Axios / Atlanta Journal-Constitution)
! * Trump-Biden Transition Live Blogs: New York Times / Washington Post / The Guardian / CNN /NPR / ABC News- Trump’s Final Days of Rage and Denial. “The last act of the Trump presidency has taken on the stormy elements of a drama more common to history or literature than a modern White House.” (New York Times)
- As Trump rants over election, his administration accelerates push to lock in policy and staffing gains. “Over the final six weeks of Trump’s presidency, the administration has no plans to wind down its efforts to remake federal policies and even the government bureaucracy itself, aides said, despite the pending handoff to the incoming Democratic administration.” (Washington Post)
! 2/ Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger recertified the state’s election results and reaffirmed Biden’s victory after a second statewide recount of votes. The presidential ballots in Georgia have been counted three times. Biden prevailed in all three counts of the vote in Georgia. (Washington Post / ABC News / New York Times / CNN / Politico)
! * 27 congressional Republicans acknowledge Biden’s win over Trump, and two Republicans consider Trump the winner despite all evidence showing otherwise. 220 Republicans in the House and Senate would not say who won the election. (Washington Post)- White House trade adviser Peter Navarro repeatedly violated the Hatch Act by using his official authority for campaign purposes. Navarro is one of more than a dozen Trump administration officials the Office of Special Counsel has found to have violated the act. (Axios)
! 3/ The Trump administration rejected requests from Biden’s transition team to meet with officials at the National Security Agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency, and other intelligence agencies. The Pentagon’s recently appointed chief of staff, Kash Patel, reportedly “told everybody we’re not going to cooperate with the transition team,” according one former official, and he has “put a lot of restrictions on it.” In some instances, Patel blocked some career officials and experts from providing information about key defense issues to the Biden transition team, telling political appointees to take the lead instead. The Pentagon, meanwhile, pushed back against reports that the Trump administration had intentionally blocked the Biden transition team from meeting with defense intelligence agencies, saying the Biden team had improperly reached out to the agencies instead of the DoD transition team. (Washington Post / NBC News / Politico)
4/ Biden selected California Attorney General Xavier Becerra to serve as his secretary of Health and Human Services. If confirmed, Becerra would be the first Latino to run the health department. Biden’s transition team also announced other key public health roles, including Dr. Vivek Murthy to be surgeon general, Rochelle Walensky to be director of the CDC, Dr. Marcella Nunez-Smith to be COVID-19 Equity Task Force co-chair, Dr. Anthony Fauci to be chief medical adviser on COVID-19, Jeff Zients to be counselor to the president and coordinator of the COVID-19 response, and Natalie Quillian to be deputy coordinator of the COVID-19 response. (New York Times / CBS News / Politico / NPR)
! * Biden’s pick to run the Office of Management and Budget runs a think tank that solicited donations from corporate and foreign interests. Neera Tanden spent nine years running the Center for American Progress, and between 2014 and 2019, CAP received at least $33 million from firms in the financial sector, private foundations funded by wealth earned on Wall Street, and in other investment firms. As OMB director, Tanden would have a hand in setting fiscal and personnel policy for agencies, oversee the regulatory process across the executive branch, and execute the annual spending plan. Tanden told staff that she will remain as CAP president through her confirmation, but suspended her involvement in fundraising after Biden announced her nomination. (Washington Post)
! 5/ Rudy Giuliani tested positive for the coronavirus and has been admitted to Georgetown University Medical Center. Giuliani, who has frequently appeared maskless, traveled to Michigan, Arizona, and Georgia last week and met indoors with state legislators to advance Trump’s baseless claims of election fraud. The Arizona Legislature, meanwhile, will close for a week “out of an abundance of caution” after Giuliani possibly exposed several Republican lawmakers to COVID-19. And public health officials in Michigan ordered several state lawmakers to begin quarantining after they were in recent, close contact with Giuliani. “Get better soon Rudy, we will carry on!!!” Trump tweeted. (New York Times / NBC News / Arizona Republic / Washington Post / CNN)
! * Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar promised that every American will be able to get a coronavirus vaccine by the second quarter of 2021. The FDA, however, hasn’t authorized a vaccine, yet. (Axios)- Trump plans to hold a “vaccine summit” at the White House on Tuesday. Both Pfizer and Moderna – the two drug manufacturers likely to receive emergency authorizations for a COVID-19 vaccine – however rejected the invitations. (STAT News / Bloomberg)
- The Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee invited an anti-vaccine doctor who promoted hydroxychloroquine as a COVID-19 treatment to testify. Dr. Jane Orient is the executive director of a group that opposes government involvement in medicine and views federal vaccine mandates as a violation of human rights. (New York Times)
- [h=4] Dept. of “We Have It Totally Under Control.”[/h]
- Global: Total confirmed cases: ~67,448,000; deaths: ~1,542,000
- U.S.: Total confirmed cases: ~14,889,000; deaths: ~284,000
- Source: Johns Hopkins University
- Live Blogs: Washington Post / New York Times / CNN / NBC News / ABC News / CNBC / Bloomberg / Wall Street Journal
! 6/ Attorney General William Barr is considering resigning before January 20. Trump declined to say whether he had confidence in Barr last week after his attorney general said the Justice Department had found no evidence of widespread election fraud. The two later had a “contentious,” lengthy meeting inside the West Wing. (New York Times / CNN)
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! [h=3]️ Notables.[/h]
! 1. The EPA declined to adopt stricter regulations on soot pollution, disregarding the recommendation of its own scientists to implement tougher standards. Administrator Andrew Wheeler, who was appointed by Trump, signed the standards Friday to retain the current thresholds for fine particle pollution for another five years. (New York Times / Washington Post / CNN / Wall Street Journal)- A federal judge ordered the Trump administration to fully restore the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program. Trump tried to end the DACA program in September 2017, and in July Chad Wolf, the acting secretary for the Department of Homeland Security, suspended DACA pending a “comprehensive” review. U.S. District Judge Nicholas Garaufis, however, ruled in November that Wolf had unlawfully ascended to the agency’s top job and vacated his suspension of protections for migrants brought to the U.S. illegally as children. (New York Times / NBC News / Washington Post / Politico / Axios)
- Trump ordered the withdrawal “a majority” U.S. troops from Somalia in early 2021. There are currently about 700 troops in Somalia to assist the government fight against Al-Shabab, a terrorist group with links to al Qaeda. (Politico / Wall Street Journal / Associated Press / New York Times)
- Melania Trump announced completion of a new White House tennis pavilion. The project refurbished the existing White House Tennis Court and Grandchildren’s Garden, and erected a new 1,200-square-foot building on the South Lawn. (Associated Press / Bloomberg)
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Ok.
I am going to try my best not to freak out here and am just going to calmly ask someone to please explain to me how this news doesn't mean Trump's going to succeed in overturning the Election.
Texas is suing all 4 battleground states that gave Biden the win specifically because a State to State suit will bypass a lot of steps and go straight to the Supreme Court which is packed with Republicans and Trump sycophants.
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Rin, RELAX.
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For starters, that's never going to actually go to court. It'll be tossed out. They would need some kind of evidence. Which in 50 cases so far, they've been thrown out. They have none. And that particular lawsuit is Texas trying to govern how other states handle their business, which is a hard no. (And Georgia has done THREE recounts now.)
The fear of "a magic case will get to the supreme court and they'll decide to override everything" is a completely baseless fear. They do not have that kind of power. If it was like 2000 and it was down to one state and 500 votes, (and the entire verdict there was "don't do another round of recounts") there might be some concern, but it is NOT that.
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Second, more importantly, today, 49 out of 50 states entered their electoral votes into safe harbor. They don't get cast until the 14th, but at this point they can NOT be changed now without something truly insane and unprecedented happening and BOTH houses agreeing on it.
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We're talking nukes falling on San Diego, Biden publicly declaring he is actually three children in a trenchcoat, or aliens invading levels of unprecedented.
So you don't have to worry about random court case or rogue electors or anything else.
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It's done. It's locked in.
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EVERYTHING at this point is just Trump and cohorts milking his base further because they don't know anything about the law, and trying to keep them enthused for the Georgia runoff (and they're failing spectacularly at that.)
Trump's already privately conceded, he's planning an event in Florida the same time as Biden's inauguration. Trump isn't trying to win, he's just fleecing his base.
Every week Trump convinces his base they can still win he gets another 50 million to pay off his debts with.
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Is the gulags to humane for this kinda of people?
I often wander where the conservatives find this cuckoos and lunatics? Do they take a test? Is there a secret kool aid flavour that renders your brain to mush? And they transplanting brains from drug crazy hobos into "normal" looking people?
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The only way trumpy wins at this point is through faithless electors literally overriding the will of the people to steal the election for him. And I sincerely doubt there will be anywhere near enough of them to do so. It's a 99% lock for Biden at this point. As Robby said, trumpy is just trying to squeeze the last bit out of his cult before he becomes yet another stain on the history of the United States.
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The only way trumpy wins at this point is through faithless electors literally overriding the will of the people to steal the election for him.
He was never going to get 40 of them to do it.
And like I said, its safe harbored now, they're locked in. Anyone that was going to be faithless had to have already declared it. And replaced.
And there was already a supreme court case on this LAST TIME because of a faithless elector. They declared it was basically an unsigned vote, and that the state could then resend someone else to submit it properly.
It can't be done at this point. It was never going to be done.
Faithless electors are in theory allowed so that there can be some kind of negotiation in a three way split, like happened with Quincy Adams and Jefferson, (200 years ago!) in an official capacity. "Give us this concession when you become president and we'll give you our votes" sort of thing. It's never come up as an issue in the two party system. The time to allow electors to change their vote has now passed.
It was never a thing where rogue agents could singlehandedly change the will of millions of voters. Again, that's a fairy tale made to drive up news story viewership, and to give the sheep hope so they keep donating money.
Its a tradition and a formality, but it was never an actual risk.
Again, if the election had come down to a 269-269 tie, or even 270-269, and no one had won and the popular vote counts were about equal, then there'd be a discussion to be had, but this is not that scenario. Even Florida in 2000 wasn't that scenario, that was about not having endless recounts. (And had Gore won any one other state besides the northern most rust belt states, it wouldn't have mattered, he would have had 270 without Florida.)
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He was never going to get 40 of them to do it.
And like I said, its safe harbored now, they're locked in. Anyone that was going to be faithless had to have already declared it. And replaced.
And there was already a supreme court case on this LAST TIME because of a faithless elector. They declared it was basically an unsigned vote, and that the state could then resend someone else to submit it properly.
It can't be done at this point. It was never going to be done.
Faithless electors are in theory allowed so that there can be some kind of negotiation in a three way split, like happened with Quincy Adams and Jefferson, (200 years ago!) in an official capacity. "Give us this concession when you become president and we'll give you our votes" sort of thing. It's never come up as an issue in the two party system. The time to allow electors to change their vote has now passed.
It was never a thing where rogue agents could singlehandedly change the will of millions of voters. Again, that's a fairy tale made to drive up news story viewership, and to give the sheep hope so they keep donating money.
Its a tradition and a formality, but it was never an actual risk.
Again, if the election had come down to a 269-269 tie, or even 270-269, and no one had won and the popular vote counts were about equal, then there'd be a discussion to be had, but this is not that scenario. Even Florida in 2000 wasn't that scenario, that was about not having endless recounts. (And had Gore won any one other state besides the northern most rust belt states, it wouldn't have mattered, he would have had 270 without Florida.)
I didn't know the electors votes were locked in already. Thought they had until later to do it.
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SCOTUS rejects MikeKellyPA’s emergency application to enjoin Pennsylvania from certifying its electors.
Thirty-four minutes passed between the Pennsylvania challengers’ final brief and the Supreme Court’s one-line order tossing it in the fire.
This is as strong a message as the Court could possibly send that it’s not stepping into the election — and that all of this nonsense is over.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EovxBroXEAEspoU?format=jpg&name=mediumThis is separate from the Texas case being filed, but it's exactly the same thing.
If the Court had any interest in the issues raised in these cases, it would’ve stepped in here. That no Justice publicly dissented here is a pretty clear message about where that case is going, too.
Two of the guys on the court might owe their jobs to Trump, but they're also not going to get themselves impeached over it in two months either. Barrett's been there for a week, she knows if she shows obvious signs of being bought she can be removed and jailed, and Kavanaugh lied in his audition so he's at risk anyway. They're not going to risk their cushy lifetime appointments over Trump at this point.
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Let's just hope Georgia doesn't fuck us in the senate, but I'm not holding on to any hope right now.
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Georgia giving us the senate would be fantastic. I'm not counting on it though. I fully expect 2 years of McConnell blocking everything.
But then because Biden can't do anything, and thus doesn't anger anyone with overwhelming sweeping changes, we gain seats in the midterm instead of lose them as is typical.
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Georgia giving us the senate would be fantastic. I'm not counting on it though. I fully expect 2 years of McConnell blocking everything.
But then because Biden can't do anything, and thus doesn't anger anyone with overwhelming sweeping changes, we gain seats in the midterm instead of lose them as is typical.
Let's say hypothetically, McConnell has a debilitating stroke in January and has to step down. Then what?
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To fuel Rin's fears, the brazilian fake news outlets are saying the Supreme Court has accepted Texas case.
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@Johnny:
Let's say hypothetically, McConnell has a debilitating stroke in January and has to step down. Then what?
Then they have a special election and replace him but it might take a few months.
Whoever replaces him as majority leader probably won't be quite as obstinate as he is. He's super safe in Kentucky so he's able to shield the rest of the republicans from even having to vote, anyone else in an even slightly more vulnerable state won't be able to do quite the same.
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To fuel Rin's fears, the brazilian fake news outlets are saying the Supreme Court has accepted Texas case.
Christ, I didn't knew conservatives could be so petty to the point of bootlicking for another country's police that will in no way better their lives.They "accepted" it in the same sense that they "accepted" the Pennsylvania case; it doesn't mean they'll actually rule in favor of Texas or even really hear the actual case.
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@Johnny:
Let's say hypothetically, McConnell has a debilitating stroke in January and has to step down. Then what?
Mass celebrations?
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Also not to make Rin upset or pissed or both
Mass celebrations?
Take care your employers don’t see this even though it involves an asshole who is okay with leaving people without homes, healthcare, jobs, or financial stability.
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Pivoting off my point about McConnell being an asshole whom no one should be shame for saying bad things about
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Can we just unplug the United States and plug them back in? I think we need a redo on this whole "country" thing.
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What the fuck is happening with our country?
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Has anyone else had Republicans go full on conspiracy in small local matters yet as I have in my neighborhood? The "stop the steal", full on Trump conspiracy has made local Republicans near me go full off the deep end of crazy.
The town I live in specifically is always a 50/50/ split, with my neighborhood JUST barely leaning Democratic.
In my town that has thousands of people, Biden beat Trump by only 203 votes. Nearly all downballot Republicans won. However, the local Republican groups have been posting nonstop about how there MUST have been voter fraud in my town, because they believe the size of their Trump car rallies they held every day in the town actually lead to a productive campaign. They were constantly interfering with local businesses, yelling racial and homophobic slurs, and creating traffic. OF COURSE this didn't help you gain voters in the town where you kept doing this!
Even crazier, they now believe election fraud happened this week in my local FIREFIGHTERS COMMISSIONER ELECTION. They legitimately believe anti Trump corrupt figures lead a huge vote of fraud for an almost meaningless position. Such a small election that only around 1300 people voted in a district that had nearly 20,000 eligible voters.
The GOP hate group that has been behind all of this, the "Setauket Patriots"(who are led by an ex cop who solicited a woman in custody for sex) rallied behind a firefighter in the district, talking about how the Trump loving republicans need to win every office at every level. They propped up one of their supporters.
That Trump loving firefighter lost, with over 70% of the vote going to his opponent, a female firefighter of over 25 years.
This group believes that it's actually a Democratic conspiracy, and that the right wing firefighters of Long Island are ACTUALLY Soros funded operatives.
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Can we just unplug the United States and plug them back in? I think we need a redo on this whole "country" thing.
At this point let’s just go Sonny Corleone and stomp on it for good measure.
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AGAIN, it's a publicity stunt to keep Trump happy, not a legitimate court request. Just like the last 51 arguments that were thrown away within hours.
And its NOT the entire states asking this, its one guy per state that Trump pressured on the phone.
They're saying it because their base (and Trump) has no idea how it works so it looks like they're doing something when they're actually doing nothing and running down the clock till Monday and earn another 50 mill in the meantime from people that can't afford it. And they'll complain and campaign on it for the next four years, but nothing is coming from it. .
It was LOCKED IN two days ago.
On Tuesday a lot more Republicans will be willing to say "whelp, I guess its decided, nothing we can do." after babysitting the child and his base and fucking with democracy.
Similarly Trump is insisting his goons investigate Hunter Biden so that can be a news story again. Nothing is going to come of that either.
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The GA GOP senators have been waiting for Tuesday to say they are the last line of defense vs Biden and the Dems having a majority but if they say it now…. they will piss Trump off and he could really fuck them over.
I hope Trump fucks them over anyway tbh.
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Aren't the MAGAs in Georgia planning to boycott this senatorial run off?
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Keep in mind, the guy filing this, is fishing for a pardon because he's under indictment. This is 100% to kiss up to Trump, not to actually accomplish anything.
And again, stealing money from suckers who just don't know any better. 50 million a week? Most of that is going to Trump but some of it is going to republican graft. None of it is actually going towards "winning the election."
It's all a scam, they're not actually planning on anything happening. Melania is already deciding if their stuff gets moved to Florida or New York, and Trump has scheduled an event to counterprogram Biden's innaguration.
NONE OF THEM actually believe what they're saying or that anything is going to come from making these motions. It's just angling for pardons and cash.
"State A can sue state B over State A's opinion of the laws of the constitution" is NOT going to happen. Otherwise you're opening up decades of horrible lawsuits. Like California decides that Texas isn't regulating their second amendment militia very well and should get rid of their guns.
It's NOT going to happen. Not for Trump, not for an election that wasn't even close, not when there's this many states and this many millions of votes involved.
In 4 or 8 years they may have a better plan and try again, but its not happening this time.
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Has this been posted here?
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Aren't the MAGAs in Georgia planning to boycott this senatorial run off?
I'm sure some are but not enough at the moment to change what looks to be pretty much a 50/50 chance election with a slight lean towards the Republicans.
The senators are being careful around the whole Biden won thing so Trump does not say they didn't fight hard enough for him. Even with the bitching we are seeing online, Republicans always come out to do the party's duty even when they hate them.
But maybe, just maybe, enough of them don't come out this time. A good hope would be for Trump to call them treacherous RINOs.
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Pivoting off my point about McConnell being an asshole whom no one should be shame for saying bad things about
just have an Office-like situation where someone pays everyone to call Mitch "Bitch"
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AGAIN, it's a publicity stunt to keep Trump happy, not a legitimate court request. Just like the last 51 arguments that were thrown away within hours.
And its NOT the entire states asking this, its one guy per state that Trump pressured on the phone.
They're saying it because their base (and Trump) has no idea how it works so it looks like they're doing something when they're actually doing nothing and running down the clock till Monday and earn another 50 mill in the meantime from people that can't afford it. And they'll complain and campaign on it for the next four years, but nothing is coming from it. .
It was LOCKED IN two days ago.
On Tuesday a lot more Republicans will be willing to say "whelp, I guess its decided, nothing we can do." after babysitting the child and his base and fucking with democracy.
Similarly Trump is insisting his goons investigate Hunter Biden so that can be a news story again. Nothing is going to come of that either.
You're right, they're putting on a show, but it's a huge disgrace and it's going to bite the US hard in the democracy.
Aren't the MAGAs in Georgia planning to boycott this senatorial run off?
It'd be a damned beautiful sight to behold if they actually stay at home and the Dems win.
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Ugh…I agree that this is still a stunt, but it's sad so many people are putting their names to it. These reps just want the Trump voters to like them even after their leader is kicked out of office.
I only wonder what these guys are going to do when that day comes. Sure, these guys can suck up to Trump fine enough, but I don't see them courting that base without Trump's guidance. It'll be a sad sight, I assume.
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If you try to kill someone & fail, even if you are comically inept at it, they still charge you with "Attempted Murder" & you still go to jail.
This is an attempted Coup. It's Treason.
Even if everyone telling me it will fail are right… will there be consequences?!
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Even if everyone telling me it will fail are right… will there be consequences?!
You mean in the sense that all these ratfuckers lose their jobs or go to jail (which Ken Paxton should be punished with both)?
Of course not, that'd make too much sense.
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Christ GOP try to launch your new platform as turning America in a New Born Christians Caliphate.
And Rin sad to say, but this is just how politic work, you say shit you deny ever having said that, and the show goes on.
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It does feel like the GOP is turning more and more Gilead as they go.
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For anyone still trying to play the narrative to Tulsi Gabbard is a likable person who unfairly gets dunked on
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/tulsi-gabbard-anti-transgender-bill-title-ix-033659229.html
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For anyone still trying to play the narrative to Tulsi Gabbard is a likable person who unfairly gets dunked on
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/tulsi-gabbard-anti-transgender-bill-title-ix-033659229.html
Oh no. the Republican pretending to be a Democrat is a piece of shit. Whoever would have guessed.
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Wonder how the US would be split if the union was ever broken. Like i know you enforce the union by force if any one tries to secede so no one is allowed to leave, but in a hypothetical world along which lines would it split? Would it be along geographical lines or could it be along ideological spheres where you'd have that old timey european map thing where like Sweden owns a bishopric in German land or Austria owns territory seperated by other domains. Just fun to imagine the 52 "kingdoms" lol
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I doubt it would be 52, the big empty states would have not lasted to begin with, specially when they are mostly arid land, I guess it would be like the Sahara countries that have a ton of land but people mostly in the coast and rivers.
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If America breaks down into 52 individual Kingdoms, can we call it "The New 52"?
… I'll see myself out.
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I doubt it would be 52, the big empty states would have not lasted to begin with, specially when they are mostly arid land, I guess it would be like the Sahara countries that have a ton of land but people mostly in the coast and rivers.
Fine. The free (but mostly empty) city of Wyoming it is then.
And the swamp kingdom of south florida
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The Texas suit has expanded yet again to include the States of…
…. you know... those crazy movements that want to secede from California and Nevada proper to form new Red states… Whut?
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Wonder how the US would be split if the union was ever broken. Like i know you enforce the union by force if any one tries to secede so no one is allowed to leave, but in a hypothetical world along which lines would it split? Would it be along geographical lines or could it be along ideological spheres where you'd have that old timey european map thing where like Sweden owns a bishopric in German land or Austria owns territory seperated by other domains. Just fun to imagine the 52 "kingdoms" lol
It'd pretty much break down how the electoral map always breaks
Or in 2012.
Or in 2008.
But thats if it happened today. The maps shift pretty radically every couple decades so the same question in 2030 would have a different answer.
During the civil war it broke down to north and south which was easy geographically… a new split would likely be the liberal coasts versus the central, super religious farmland area.
It gets tricky because Colorodo and New Mexico arre dependably blue but they're right in the middle. Meanwhile right next to them is Utah which is SUPER religious and won't ever change. So for the sake of mapmaking there'd need to be some concessions. If it broke into two parts the northernmost states would probably go liberal just to make the maps easier. If it broke into Three Texas would delcare itself its own thing because Texas thinks like that, and maybe join a couple outhers.
Georgia despite how it swung this time would be red.
The notable thing is of course, California has more population than the entire rust belt combined... which is why its so stupid that it gets two votes in the senate while the rust belt gets 20. 15% of the population gets like 45% of the vote which is why its so hard to break the senate.
Then just like in the civil war the farm belt would be poverty stricken and suffering within a year as they got tarriffed to hell to trade all their wares, went into bankruptcy, and didn't have any of the major money making states supporting them. With no technology or entertainment industy around them they'd be in trouble. They'd have to pay extra whenever anything got shipped in because that would go through the liberal land on the coasts first.
The easiest solution is for soem of the states to just let Canada annex them, they already have the health care thing figured out.
Though really? The second most popular food chain per area tells the story. (The first everywhere is McDonalds.)