What's alarming is the factyou dropped your monocle… clearly you're a villain:ninja:
But with good PR
What's alarming is the factyou dropped your monocle… clearly you're a villain:ninja:
But with good PR
It’s pretty natural to want a girl to join considering we have 8 guys and 2 girls… It’s not even about balance, just variety.
Seeing Oda's "pretty female" design I think we'll get more variety with guys joining:ninja:
call me rude but i am astounded at how you people believe that Carrot and Yamato (especially Yamato) are the only non-kid candidates while paying no mind to others as if they don't exist or not worth any thought to you
but then again from all the years i seen in this you always wanted a third girl to join
! i think i might be ban for saying that last piece
Because they are the only non-kid candidates that are currently arc-relevant and seemingly associated with Luffy's crew. Carrot at this point has been sticking together with the SH's, even at Wano, entirely separating herself from her species. Yamato has been with Luffy for 5 chapters now exclusively, which is very characteristic of how he meets potential strawhats (I.e. a personal relationship with Luffy, not to mention a connection to Ace).
Seeing Oda's "pretty female" design I think we'll get more variety with guys joining:ninja:
Oda is capable of making unique females when he wants to. The Nami-faces are his easy way out when he doesn’t want to take risks for secondary characters.
Pretty females with different designs:
If he truly wants to do it, he can.
@Gia:
Because they are the only non-kid candidates that are currently arc-relevant and seemingly associated with Luffy's crew. Carrot at this point has been sticking together with the SH's, even at Wano, entirely separating herself from her species. Yamato has been with Luffy for 5 chapters now exclusively, which is very characteristic of how he meets potential strawhats (I.e. a personal relationship with Luffy, not to mention a connection to Ace).
I'm not really sold on Carrot, still.
While yeah, Yamato has checked off some boxes, they still need some fleshing out.
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Oda is capable of making unique females when he wants to. The Nami-faces are his easy way out when he doesn’t want to take risks for secondary characters.
Pretty females with different designs:
- Ms Doublefinger
- Perona
- Pudding
- Marguerite
- Aphelandra
- Young O-Tsuru
- Nojiko
If he truly wants to do it, he can.
The only one from those that were pretty unique were Perona and Marguerite. Everyone else is pretty bland
Oda is capable of making unique females when he wants to. The Nami-faces are his easy way out when he doesn’t want to take risks for secondary characters.
Pretty females with different designs:
- Ms Doublefinger
- Perona
- Pudding
- Marguerite
- Aphelandra
- Young O-Tsuru
- Nojiko
If he truly wants to do it, he can.
Well, to be honest they all look pretty much alike besides from the hairstyle, so… That's why I think people are still putting too much emphasis on the "Nami lookalike" thing, imho that's completely irrelevant.
Ms. Doublefinger didn't look anything like Nami, the hell are you all talking about?
Well, to be honest they all look pretty much alike besides from the hairstyle, so… That's why I think people are still putting too much emphasis on the "Nami lookalike" thing, imho that's completely irrelevant.
Design isn't irrelevant, it tells a lot about a character.
I'm not really sold on Carrot, still.
While yeah, Yamato has checked off some boxes, they still need some fleshing out.
Agreed, but its about how these 2 standout in the crowd, regardless of how you feel about them. Carrot ironically doesn't standout much, but the fact that she's constantly drawn separate from her own mink species, as well as generally featured more on a crew interaction level by miles, is what does standout.
Design isn't face only.
Sure but Robin wouldn't have looked as enigmatic if she didn't have her distinct long defined nose and piercing eyes and was just another black haired Nami.
@Gia:
Agreed, but its about how these 2 standout in the crowd, regardless of how you feel about them. Carrot ironically doesn't standout much, but the fact that she's constantly drawn separate from her own mink species, as well as generally featured more on a crew interaction level by miles, is what does standout.
While, yes Carrot has been drawn separate from the Minks and with the Strawhats, I'm not quite sure that's indicative of her joining. These are my own feelings on the matter, mind you, but she doesn't feel like a Strawhat, she doesn't invoke the type of feelings I got from the likes of others that joined. She stands out but still feels sort of minor?
If I had to say, she feels more like a character suited for the grandfleet… That could change on the drop of a hat within this chaotic arc, but so far, I just don't feel it.
Sure but Robin wouldn't have looked as enigmatic if she didn't have her distinct long defined nose and piercing eyes and was just another black haired Nami.
That's debatable.
While, yes Carrot has been drawn separate from the Minks and with the Strawhats, I'm not quite sure that's indicative of her joining. These are my own feelings on the matter, mind you, but she doesn't feel like a Strawhat, she doesn't invoke the type of feelings I got from the likes of others that joined. She stands out but still feels sort of minor?
If I had to say, she feels more like a character suited for the grandfleet… That could change on the drop of a hat within this chaotic arc, but so far, I just don't feel it.
I agree, but this is why I've been telling people to at least wait and see what Oda does with her and Perospero since, interestingly enough, is the only Charlotte to actually make it to Onigashima. There is very clearly some unresolved baggage there (not that I expect her to beat a 700 million bounty pirate) regarding Pedro, so I'm curious to see what gets addressed, if at all.
To me, Carrot feels like a Paulie. A friend that helps a lot and get some moments, but will go its own way after the trouble is over.
Yamato may still get more development, but his case feels very weird right now and I can’t predict where his story is going.
@Gia:
I agree, but this is why I've been telling people to at least wait and see what Oda does with her and Perospero since, interestingly enough, is the only Charlotte to actually make it to Onigashima. There is very clearly some unresolved baggage there (not that I expect her to beat a 700 million bounty pirate) regarding Pedro, so I'm curious to see what gets addressed, if at all.
Idk if that is going to happen or not, considering how convoluted the current story is. Perospero himself 'may' be an ally in the sense of breaking the alliance up, but idk if Carrot will get that moment with him.
@Daz:
Franky fought Senór Pink more than 200 chapters ago
Usopp sniped sugar more than 225 chapters agoConsidering the last time the crew was almost gathered was Zou, where they did close to nothing, I'm honestly not sure where this apparently common asuredness we're getting a crew-centric arc is coming from
Oh come on dude, let us have faith.
If Act 3 ends as soon as I'm expecting it to end, and act 4 lasts around 35-40 chaps, there should be chapters enough for a Strawhat each to get a proper vs.
But now that you mention it, with all the Supernova, Marco, Samurai and Mink around, my math is starting to crumble
Im probably the only person who thinks there's the possibility of a triple join and multiple flashbacks during the final battles lol.
We'll see what happenens, but I can totally see 1-2 chapter flashbacks for some of these characters occurring before their fights if they are meaningful.
All righty then, Jinbe's with the crew on the color spread at last. One chapter of my life has finally closed.
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There is still a hurdle. Jinbe is not official until he is mentioned in the tankobon first pages :-)
Oh come on dude, let us have faith.
If Act 3 ends as soon as I'm expecting it to end, and act 4 lasts around 35-40 chaps, there should be chapters enough for a Strawhat each to get a proper vs.
But now that you mention it, with all the Supernova, Marco, Samurai and Mink around, my math is starting to crumble
I’d say you can allocate 1.5 chapters for individual fights for 9 SHs + Kid + Law, then 6 chapters per Yonko, and you could end up with 29 chapters + up to 10 more for miscellaneous stuff.
Ah. I don't see how officially joining in-story is less waterproof than a colorspread is but sure if that was the thing people were holding out for then congratulations i guess
For years, all the way since back in Marineford in my case, I was one of a very few arguing that Jinbe was meant to join the crew. There were a lot more who thought that he wouldn’t, whether it was too strong or famous as a Warlord, or too serious of a character, lacking a personal dream, lacking an identifiable color, no clear job, too big, etc. None of that mattered to me because I could see Oda setting up Jinbe as being Luffy’s indispensable ally: carrying him through the battlefield, snapping him out of his depression, destined to meet him again at Fishman Island and face whatever challenge waiting there side by side. So when he postponed joining at the end of those two years, it was majorly disappointing, and I had to spend the next four years ignoring any other candidate besides him.
Then Jinbe came back in WCI, and that was great. We finally had him on board the ship, flat out saying he was joining Luffy and showing off what he could do. He was all set to get in on the action in Wano. Then he left. Again.
All through Wano I was wondering, why was Jinbe left out again? Yes, I wanted him in a color spread, and not just a promotional one like the Arashi thing. I wanted him to actually be with the crew and get all the benefits of it: an official mark, movie deals, the works. I wanted him to be a full out Straw Hat with all prior ambiguity lifted.
And when he does return yet again, even after his Oda box and the big group hug and everything that happened before, what happens? They take a rain check on the toast. It’s like, “Just kiss already!” I still want that toast to happen, and it will. But until then, another year from now at this rate, I’m happy that he at least gets to start being on the color spreads like he should have done years ago.
THAT’S why I feel like I can finally rest, close the chapter of my life spent on debating and arguing and understanding Oda’s intentions for Jinbe. I am tired but relieved that he’s finally getting what he deserves as a character.
@Daz:
My impression for a while has been that what matters more is the speculation itself and the "solving" of the "puzzle", as opposed to wanting to have a fun character around to interact with the other fun characters. And if it feels like you don't need to do anything but show up on Color Spreads to fulfill your status as crewmember, why not let anyone into the club?
To be perfectly frank, yes. I like solving the puzzle. Despite everything, I like how subtle and involved Oda made Jinbe’s arc this time. I like getting to say that I saw something in Oda’s plan that a lot of people didn’t see. And I think it’s perfectly fair, valid, to pick a lane and indulge in a little patting on the back when the truth finally comes out. With the color spread, together with Jinbe’s title card and reentrance and the entire ten-year story behind it, I can finally put the matter to rest. If Carrot ends up joining, too, that’s just a second notch in my personal little cap. I like them both, personally, but I chose them because I saw ways Oda was leaning towards them, not because they were ever my favorite characters.
I’m really not here to convince anyone. I’m here for my own fulfilment, and if someone feels like looking down on it, fine. But I will keep speaking my mind on it as long as it’s relevant because this thread is my outlet to do so.
Honestly I expect Act 4 to be 40+ chapters. We forget that Oda spent nearly 45 chapters of pure battles and flashbacks in just Dressrosa, and that arc had vastly less setup than this one.
A big thing is villain panel presence. Someone like Kaido still has a lot to offer on the presence side of things and I have a feeling it will take longer than people think for him to go down, not to mention his subordinates and BMs side of things. Oda has to show how his crew gets taken out, and this will take time as well.
Just to put it in perspective, the battles at DR started around Chapter 746. This included some light skirmishes and a ton of random encounters and moving characters to their respective places in the Bird Cage. In regards to Wano, we are still around here. Then laws flashback started on Chapter 763 I believe, almost 20 chapters after and Luffy/Laws fight with Doffy/Trebol/Bellamy had already been going on for a bit. Only around 769 did the 1-2 chapter battles start. After this, around 780, did Luffy fight Doflamingo for nearly 10 chapters.
That alone was 45 chapters, and I think people vastly underestimate how much Oda has to move these characters around before the "true" battles happen, not to mention Wano having 3x the characters DR has.
On top of this, we dont even know where he intends to go with the story yet. Are the final battles happening at Onigashima? The flower capital? Is the alliance poised to fail in Act 3? Who honestly knows
It’s pretty natural to want a girl to join considering we have 8 guys and 2 girls… It’s not even about balance, just variety.
Why not something among LGBT then?
Why not something among LGBT then?
Because a non-sexual story does not need sexuality representation…
For all we know Nami could very well be lesbian already...
In almost 1000 chapters there were only two kisses featuring main characters, and one of them happened off-panel.
@Gia:
not to mention a connection to Ace).
I could count like another 6 characters with that right here.
Whether Carrot, Yamato, or both join, we'd get a new strong female crew member. And if it's Tama…. well, a new female crew member. Strong, not so much. :ninja:
Oda is capable of making unique females when he wants to. The Nami-faces are his easy way out when he doesn’t want to take risks for secondary characters.
Pretty females with different designs:
- Ms Doublefinger
- Perona
- Pudding
- Marguerite
- Aphelandra
- Young O-Tsuru
- Nojiko
If he truly wants to do it, he can.
I always thought Gallete was pretty, but found myself alone on this one.
is only my type I guess.
I always thought Gallete was pretty, but found myself alone on this one.
is only my type I guess.
You are not alone. Gallete is hot and should be in my examples.
I’d say you can allocate 1.5 chapters for individual fights for 9 SHs + Kid + Law, then 6 chapters per Yonko, and you could end up with 29 chapters + up to 10 more for miscellaneous stuff.
but you know, Yamato and Kaido smell like flashback, that could happen at the beggining of act 4, and I suppose it could take some of it.
The way I'm picturing it, The Minks go Sulong-Kin'emon gets wrecked-end of act 3-intermission with Akainu saying okay okay I'll send someone jesus-act 4 starts-Yamato flashback baby, just when you thought he wasn't nakamish enough!!((The Minks remain transformed during all these stuff cause the battle hasn't really started))-flashback ends-now the big baby battle starts, the Minks slaughter the Gifters, Waiters and Pleasures-Sulong ends-now the really important versus take place-
but you know, Yamato and Kaido smell like flashback, that could happen at the beggining of act 4, and I suppose it could take some of it.
I don't expect a flashback larger than 2 chapters, like Big Mom's. I really doubt Oda will slowdown the big climax of everything in the New World so far.
I don't expect a flashback larger than 2 chapters, like Big Mom's. I really doubt Oda will slowdown the big climax of everything in the New World so far.
If it were just Kaidou, 2-3 chapters would might well be enough, but if it's doubling as a flashback to develop Yamato and possibly even linking into Kaidou's time with Rocks, I think there's reason for it to be longer.
If it were just Kaidou, 2-3 chapters would might well be enough, but if it's doubling as a flashback to develop Yamato and possibly even linking into Kaidou's time with Rocks, I think there's reason for it to be longer.
IMO, the Rocks flashback will come in a future arc, when we start to delve into Celestial Dragon stuff and what Rocks was doing back then. Kaido's flashback, if any, will be just to flesh out his personality.
About Yamato, I'm not putting any faith in the character. Need to wait and see, I guess.
IMO, the Rocks flashback will come in a future arc, when we start to delve into Celestial Dragon stuff and what Rocks was doing back then. Kaido's flashback, if any, will be just to flesh out his personality.
Perhaps not a full Rocks flashback, but the whole "pirates will eventually betray you" spiel he gave to the Akazaya feels like Kaidou may be speaking from experience. What happened to him during, or as a result of, the Rocks Pirates break up may well have helped to shape Kaidou into the man he is today, even if we don't get a full accounting of the God Valley incident.
About Yamato, I'm not putting any faith in the character. Need to wait and see, I guess.
Fair enough.
Don't be surprised when Yamato gets a flashback or two.
Since he has a connection with Kaidou and Ace plus an alluded sad past :ninja:
Poor little Kaido, was betrayed by Pirates, now is the perfect time to get an emotional flashback of his sad past so that he can join by the end of Wano. :ninja:
Perhaps not a full Rocks flashback, but the whole "pirates will eventually betray you" spiel he gave to the Akazaya feels like Kaidou may be speaking from experience. What happened to him during, or as a result of, the Rocks Pirates break up may well have helped to shape Kaidou into the man he is today, even if we don't get a full accounting of the God Valley incident.
I think a Kaido flashback may be about his several defeats and how they changed him (which may include past betrayal, Oden and Big Mom's favor).
That poll is Carrot's supporters fault.
They lowered the bar so bad for future nakama candidates, that we now feel no guilt supporting a complete McNamiFace.
Please don't deride anyone for expressing an opinion contrary to your own. I don't think Yamato is very likely at this point, but I'm not her to make fun of the people who do think she's going to join.
Nothing is anyone's 'fault'.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Please don't deride anyone for expressing an opinion contrary to your own. I don't think Yamato is very likely at this point, but I'm not her to make fun of the people who do think she's going to join.
Nothing is anyone's 'fault'.
To be honest, Yamato does check off some boxes, but there's a lot missing rn for me to even really jump on the train.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
Please don't deride anyone for expressing an opinion contrary to your own. I don't think Yamato is very likely at this point, but I'm not her to make fun of the people who do think she's going to join.
Nothing is anyone's 'fault'.
Exactly, here, here!
We should have a record of who each user supported so we can use it whenever someone tries to mock others' side. Like "it says here some chapters ago you were going hard on 'bone-spitter' as the next SH. And now it seems you are supporting… Drake!?"
Seriously guys. The "fan shaming" of people who like Carrot is one of the weirdest things I've seen with this fandom.
@Gia:
Seriously guys. The "fan shaming" of people who like Carrot is one of the weirdest things I've seen with this fandom.
Only if she ends up joining otherwise it’s been done with a dozen other similar cases
@.access:
'bone-spitter' as the next SH
Oh com' on, that's pretty unique hability, if Carrot had that I'd be in.
Only if she ends up joining otherwise it’s been done with a dozen other similar cases
Eh, in the 13 years I've been part of this fandom, Carrot fans by far get the worst abuse from other fans when it comes to wanting her in the crew, especially because she's been with Luffy's crew for 180 chapters lol.
@Gia:
Eh, in the 13 years I've been part of this fandom, Carrot fans by far get the worst abuse from other fans when it comes to wanting her in the crew, especially because she's been with Luffy's crew for 180 chapters lol.
Hmmm I think this goes both ways honestly… some Carrot fans get flack but some also give flack.
Both are wrong regardless.
@Gia:
Eh, in the 13 years I've been part of this fandom, Carrot fans by far get the worst abuse from other fans when it comes to wanting her in the crew, especially because she's been with Luffy's crew for 180 chapters lol.
It only feels that way because of the length she’s been in, I remember people passionately protesting people who thought Rebecca and Monet would join, I can still remember the arguments in Dressrosa about why Cavendish and Bartolomeo wouldn’t join
And you don't know how it was back then when Paulie was there…
I agree with Deicide in the sense that Yamato's case is strange. She came in way too late in the arc with no foreshadowing and when you couple this together with her dull design you got the impression that Oda didn't think too much when he create the character and that he didn't have the character in mind until very recently (not saying this is necessarily the case but this is the impression it gives). For instance the flying six seems to be less important than her now and just like Yamato they got their full introduction during act 3 but even they were mentioned back in chapter 929 which serves as a proof that Oda had the group in mind for a long time.
Yamato's insertion into the story just feels too unnatural and random comparared to the other members of the crew. In Franky's case the Strawats started the W7 saga already looking for a shipwright; In Brook's case he not only had a conection to Laboon (i.e. a callback to Reverse Mountain) but Luffy wanted a musician since East Blue. If Yamato indeed ends up joing it would be the most random nakama case.