Man Yamato sure blew past Carrot fast.
Almost twice the votes of the runner up. Not bad for ol hornhead.
But we all know in our hearts no one else will join.
Man Yamato sure blew past Carrot fast.
Almost twice the votes of the runner up. Not bad for ol hornhead.
But we all know in our hearts no one else will join.
And Tama is still the unexpected last nakama. All according to the plan. :ninja:
Man Yamato sure blew past Carrot fast.
Almost twice the votes of the runner up. Not bad for ol hornhead.
But we all know in our hearts no one else will join.
It's like in the classic fable, The Oni and The Hare.
No. I don't know why this point needs to keep being nailed into peoples' heads but he didn't specify that two members of the Crew would join in succession. Based on the timing of when he said this (around 2010) and the context of it, it's pretty damn clear what he meant was that more than one person would ally with the Strawhats in quick succession.
In the same way that people for 10 YEARS have claimed "Oda said the next nakama would be a former boss character" when the context shows he clearly was referring to the characters from Impel Down joining up with Luffy for the breakout.
Using a decade old half translated accurately quote doesn't do anything to help a point you're trying to make in 2020.
He made the comment about the Straw Hats getting new members "in quick succession" or "one after the other" in 2014.
http://www.onepiecepodcast.com/2014/07/04/eiichiro-oda-interview-with-china-times/
I'm not sure what the original quote was, or if the term "nakama" was used (I think that's generally used to refer to Straw Hat crewmates rather than allies, though I could be wrong), though based on the timing, it could be referring to the Grand Fleet.
He made the comment about the Straw Hats getting new members "in quick succession" or "one after the other" in 2014.
http://www.onepiecepodcast.com/2014/07/04/eiichiro-oda-interview-with-china-times/
If the term "nakama" was used (I think that's generally used to refer to Straw Hat crewmates rather than allies, though I could be wrong)
I know for a fact that Luffy used the term "nakama" (仲間)for Law.
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As I understand it, the only people that Luffy has referred to as "Nakama" are the members of the Strawhat crew, including Vivi, and Law.
Next crewmember will come in next arc(s).
This one is Jinbe’s.
I'm doubling down on the crew being complete by the end of Wano. Only exception is Vivi being added after.
^ kind of in the same boat with that.
I'm doubling down on the crew being complete by the end of Wano. Only exception is Vivi being added after.
I doubt it. Blackbeard has 10 captains under him, Luffy will have 10 crewmates. I’m sure Vivi will travel with the crew again, but I don’t think she will fight a Blackbeard counterpart.
I doubt it. Blackbeard has 10 captains under him, Luffy will have 10 crewmates. I’m sure Vivi will travel with the crew again, but I don’t think she will fight a Blackbeard counterpart.
Let me elaborate a bit, I think someone will be joining alongside Jinbe, the breadcrumbs are there. If no one joins with jimbe, then I can see Oda just adding an already established character like Vivi into the mix.
Rather Vivi does fight a BB counter part or not is entirely up in the air, but it's not impossible.
Let me elaborate a bit, I think someone will be joining alongside Jinbe, the breadcrumbs are there. If no one joins with jimbe, then I can see Oda just adding an already established character like Vivi into the mix.
Rather Vivi does fight a BB counter part or not is entirely up in the air, but it's not impossible.
My personal bet is that the last crewmate will be an established character as well. But it won’t be Vivi (thought she will meet and travel with the crew again).
My bet is on a character hinted at since chapter 97…
My personal bet is that the last crewmate will be an established character as well. But it won’t be Vivi (thought she will meet and travel with the crew again).
My bet is on a character hinted at since chapter 97…
16 chars of BH? :ninja:
16 chars of BH? :ninja:
I think he's saying Smoker, but personally I don't believe he'd leave Tashigi or abandon G5, especially after Vergo being a pirate. Doesn't make sense imo, as much as I'd like it.
I've been saying Smoker will join for 15 years. It's okay to say Vivi will return now. I was once mocked and hall of shamed on this forum for saying she would come back. Times change.
Not Smoker, it’s a subtle hint in chapter 97, not a character appearing in that chapter.
I’ll talk about it later today, when commenting the next color spread.
@Vongola_Boss_XI:
I've been saying Smoker will join for 15 years. It's okay to say Vivi will return now. I was once mocked and hall of shamed on this forum for saying she would come back. Times change.
I for one agree with Vivi. Clearly something negative happened to her country/father during the Reverie. If she is okay (aka, escaped Mariejois with someone), chances are she will be taken to Luffy or encounter him. I have a big feeling Sai or Leo saved her, and they both have Vivre cards to Luffy.
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Not Smoker, it’s a subtle hint in chapter 97, not a character appearing in that chapter.
I’ll talk about it later today, when commenting the next color spread.
I assume you mean the outfits Nami is wearing? So Boa Hancock?
@Gia:
I think he's saying Smoker, but personally I don't believe he'd leave Tashigi or abandon G5, especially after Vergo being a pirate. Doesn't make sense imo, as much as I'd like it.
Pretty Sure Deicide is talking about Boa Hancock.
Next crewmember will come in next arc(s).
This one is Jinbe’s.
Jinbe's arc was Fishman Island and, for all practical purposes, he joined for real in Totland. His welcoming party's been delayed, sure, but he's already part of the crew, without question.
Whatever one may think of Carrot and/or Yamato's chances of joining, I don't think Jinbe's presence impacts them in the slightest. It just means the welcome party at the end of the arc might get a bit bigger.
Pretty Sure Deicide is talking about Boa Hancock.
Yeah. Considering her predicament now as a non-shichibukai, I can see it being possible but I also don't see her abandoning her sisters, crew or people. Vivi on the other hand stems down to the possibility of her kingdom/royalty being screwed and needing protection. Not saying Hancock doesn't need help, but she comes with a ton of baggage, unlike Vivi, who can't really protect her kingdom by herself.
IMO Carrot, Yamato and Vivi are the likely candidates we have. The first 2 due to their nonbinding requirements for their "countries" (Yamato has pretty much nothing holding her back at this point), while Vivi's herself may need protection under Luffy's crew. Depends on where Oda is going with this.
@Gia:
Yeah. Considering her predicament now as a non-shichibukai, I can see it being possible but I also don't see her abandoning her sisters, crew or people. Vivi on the other hand stems down to the possibility of her kingdom/royalty being screwed and needing protection. Not saying Hancock doesn't need help, but she comes with a ton of baggage, unlike Vivi, who can't really protect her kingdom by herself.
IMO Carrot, Yamato and Vivi are the likely candidates we have. The first 2 due to their nonbinding requirements for their "countries" (Yamato has pretty much nothing at this point), while Vivi's herself may need protection under Luffy's crew. Depends on where Oda is going with this.
Yes, I think the same overall. Like I said before, the breadcrumbs are laid for someone else to join, who it is, idk, but it's going to be interesting to see
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@Gia:
Yeah. Considering her predicament now as a non-shichibukai, I can see it being possible but I also don't see her abandoning her sisters, crew or people. Vivi on the other hand stems down to the possibility of her kingdom/royalty being screwed and needing protection. Not saying Hancock doesn't need help, but she comes with a ton of baggage, unlike Vivi, who can't really protect her kingdom by herself.
IMO Carrot, Yamato and Vivi are the likely candidates we have. The first 2 due to their nonbinding requirements for their "countries" (Yamato has pretty much nothing at this point), while Vivi's herself may need protection under Luffy's crew. Depends on where Oda is going with this.
Yes, I think the same overall. Like I said before, the breadcrumbs are laid for someone else to join, who it is, idk, but it's going to be interesting to see
Jinbe's arc was Fishman Island and, for all practical purposes, he joined for real in Totland. His welcoming party's been delayed, sure, but he's already part of the crew, without question.
No question about Jinbe being part of the crew (the latest color spread finally shows him as a Straw Hat, his re-introduction also clearly calls him helmsman of the Straw Hat Pirates).
But I don't think his loooong arc, which began in Impel Down, is over. No, Oda delayed his celebration, IMO, because there's still story to be told with him in Onigashima, something that brings his long arc to its big conclusion. Most likely, with Big Mom threatening fishman island for his defection, and he taking part in her defeat.
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Alright, now that the chapter is out and I'm home, it's time to bring on my big post.
I'll split it into two parts: the first one is about Colors Theory and the newest color spread. The second part is about my personal bet for last crewmember (Boa Hancock). Since it's still early to discuss Hancock, I'll post the last part in spoiler tags, and anyone can feel free to not address it. The color theory, however, may interest almost everyone.
The Color Theory
This theory is born out of Chapter 872 "Mugiwara 56" color spread.
In it, each Straw Hat is dressed on its signature color, but, in the ground, you can see a rainbow of colors that has all of them (except Brook's black and white), plus two more colors:
Jinbe wore a light green jinbe in Fishman Island, when Luffy invited him to the crew) (seen in Volume 66's cover) and now, in his first Color Spread as an official Straw Hat, he also got a light green jinbe.
I'm not saying this is 100% accurate, but some shade of violet may be the signature color reserved for the last nakama. And, in there's a lot of violet in Chapter 987 color spread.
We got:
Oda loves to leave hints like that. Maybe, just maybe, he wanted to represent the entire crew, and made the color of the last nakama very evident as a way to represent him/her.
So, what I'm saying is: watch out for violet/purple characters.
But isn't Robin's color violet/purple?
Yes, it is. It was originally violet, but Oda sometimes portrays her as purple (like in the "Mugiwara 56" cover, above)
But there's many shades of violet/purple. Plus magenta. All those three colors are very similar to the human eye. Violet is a spectral color, close to blue, and in the end of the color spectrum, opposite to red. Purple and magenta are mixed colors, which are results of combinations of both ends of the color spectrum (red and blue/violet):
There's plenty of ways that the last nakama may get a different shade than Robin's.
Also, both Sanji and Robin are often portrayed without their signature color. They are the only ones in 987's cover that are not displaying their colors in some way. They were also the only ones whose post-timeskip designs didn't feature their signature colors.
To me, that may signal that, while Robin's color may be similar to the last nakama's, they'll usually be portrayed in very different ways. Maybe the last nakama has violet/purple eyes or hair, or uses violet/purple way more evidently in his/hair clothes.
So, watch out for Yamato's color scheme, I guess?
But I don't think either Yamato or Carrot will be the last nakama. My bet is another character, which I will cover next. Since this is looking too far into the future, way beyond current arc, feel free to skip it.
! Why Hancock matters
I've been looking up to Hancock having a meaningful role in the story since her past as a slave was revealed. I only warmed up to her a nakama during Impel Down, thought, as her personality showed great potential for both drama and comedy. I was surprised to see her left behind, but, as in Jinbe's case, it then became clear that Oda was playing the long game.
! Before the timeskip, we got foreshadowed that Hancock losing her title would mean doom for Amazon Lily. Also, with her past as a slave, she had ties to the Celestial Dragon plotline, a thread that was also left dangling since Sabaody and still needs to be addressed in the main story. It's no coincidence that both stories are now returning.
! The flashback is coming…
Another thing to consider about Boa Hancock is that she's one of the few characters that is sure going to get her own flashback. When FIshman Island started, I was afraid that the most meaningful event of her past, the raid of Mary Geoise by Fisher Tiger, would be covered in Jinbe's flashback. Instead, to my not-so-surprise that exact event was refered but never covered. It got completely skipped, which means it is yet waiting to be shown and expanded.
! But Hancock's flashback won't just be about Fisher Tiger rampaging against the World Nobles. There's some small threads dangling about it. In Chapter Zero, we see a 7-year old Hancock telling her sisters they need to be even stronger to get on the Kuja ship. Ok, that, by itself, does not mean much. What's really strange is that Hancock and her sisters were kidnapped while on the ship, and, while you can say that a 12-year-old Hancock may have been strong enough to be accepted into it, what to say of 11-year-old Sanderonia or, worse yet, 9-year-old Marigold? No, I feel the sisters got on the ship as stowaways, were found out by the Kuja while on sea, and then kidnapped. If this theory is true, then what prompted the Boa sisters to wish to go to sea may be related to some sort of personal dream, and it could even mean that the younger sisters got onboard following Hancock, which would put her as feeling responsible for their enslavering and four years of suffering in Mary Geoise. That has a ton of potential for drama in a flashback and attonement in the present.
! Foreshadowing
Earlier today I said that I think the next nakama was hinted at way back in Chapter 97. Some people guessed right, I was talking about these panels:
! In those, Nami is experimenting several clothes from a store in Logue Town, only to reject them because they are not of her style. What really makes this foreshadowing is the fact that the first set of clothes (from right to left) is Robin's. The second one, we would learn many later, was based on Hancock's earlier concepts.
! Another interesting thing from the same time is that Oda, as the story was entering the Grand Line, was asked to draw "future opponents" in one of the Color Walks. He then drew this concept, which he would later confirm was intented to be Hancock at the time. Notice the color purple/violet scheme:
! I should also point out something that may be just coincidence, but Hancock's first appearance was in chapter 516, "The Pirate Empress, Boa Hancock", which featured the then-crewmates first appearances with the message: "A casual discovery…". Maybe it's nothing, as that was the first cover story after the crew's separation, but what if "A casual discovery" was a reference to a character being introduced to that chapter?
! Purple/Violet, in a subtle way
To make this already long post short, we essentially have a character that:
! And, as a plus, always has at least some modicum of violet/purple in her clothes:
The Kuja symbol (magenta/purple) / The sash (light purple) and innards of the dress (violet)
! The violet sash / The violet/purple Marineford dress (exact tone changes per source)
! It's just my opinion, as always, but I know this for sure: even if she's not the last nakama, I'm sure she will have a big role soon. She could be the next "Trafalgar Law".
All righty then, Jinbe's with the crew on the color spread at last. One chapter of my life has finally closed.
So, Nami and Carrot freed themselves just fine. Now the Minks are going Sulong on the roof while Carrot's still on the ground floor. Either she transforms too and Luffy gets to see it, or she holds off and saves it for when the Straw Hats have their time to shine.
All righty then, Jinbe's with the crew on the color spread at last. One chapter of my life has finally closed..
You really were holding out to the very end if it took you this long to acknowledge Jinbro as a strawhat
You really were holding out to the very end if it took you this long to acknowledge Jinbro as a strawhat
And that's not even counting the people who think you aren't an OFFICIAL official crewmember until you do the classic victory toast at the end of an arc.
You really were holding out to the very end if it took you this long to acknowledge Jinbro as a strawhat
I'm pretty sure Shift was referring to undeniable evidence that no one can refute that Jinbe is a Straw Hat. He's been acknowledging Jinbe as a Straw Hat for years.
Also, it seems we are back on color theories now. Also @Deicide you conveniently left out Brook.
Back to color? Well, personally the next person to join could have a color combo that makes them stand out.
Honestly, at this point, I doubt Carrot is going to be getting any Major moments going forward.
Also @Deicide you conveniently left out Brook.
Brook's color is black and white. It's both all colors and none. It's not like you can include B&W in a rainbow…
Also, the color theory is not mine, but I do think it's a very interesting idea, it fits how Oda tries to put each crewmate in a "unique" visual (even if he himself changes it over time to fit new ones). And I'm only making this post today because of the newest color spread, which almost confirms Jinbe's color as sea green, just like the color theory predicted, and to boot also features a heavy amount of the supposed last crewmate's color.
No question about Jinbe being part of the crew (the latest color spread finally shows him as a Straw Hat, his re-introduction also clearly calls him helmsman of the Straw Hat Pirates).
But I don't think his loooong arc, which began in Impel Down, is over. No, Oda delayed his celebration, IMO, because there's still story to be told with him in Onigashima, something that brings his long arc to its big conclusion. Most likely, with Big Mom threatening fishman island for his defection, and he taking part in her defeat.
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Alright, now that the chapter is out and I'm home, it's time to bring on my big post.
I'll split it into two parts: the first one is about Colors Theory and the newest color spread. The second part is about my personal bet for last crewmember (Boa Hancock). Since it's still early to discuss Hancock, I'll post the last part in spoiler tags, and anyone can feel free to not address it. The color theory, however, may interest almost everyone.
The Color Theory
This theory is born out of Chapter 872 "Mugiwara 56" color spread.
In it, each Straw Hat is dressed on its signature color, but, in the ground, you can see a rainbow of colors that has all of them (except Brook's black and white), plus two more colors:
- Red (Luffy)
- Orange (Nami)
- Yellow (Usopp)
- Green (Zoro)
- Light Sea Green (no one, it was theorized to be Jinbe)
- Light blue (Franky)
- Blue (Sanji)
- Violet (No one, theorized to be the final crewmember)
- Purple (Robin)
- Pink (Chopper)
Jinbe wore a light green jinbe in Fishman Island, when Luffy invited him to the crew) (seen in Volume 66's cover) and now, in his first Color Spread as an official Straw Hat, he also got a light green jinbe.
I'm not saying this is 100% accurate, but some shade of violet may be the signature color reserved for the last nakama. And, in there's a lot of violet in Chapter 987 color spread.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eevy2sSX0AI4pq7?format=jpg&name=large
We got:
- The letters of subtitle "We're gonna live like tomorrow doesn't exist"
- Brook's cane and shirt.
- Franky's hands and shoulders.
- Zoro's sword and scabbard.
- The dog next to Zoro
- Luffy's shirt
- Jinbe's cloak
- The shadows in the scene, particularly under the dog bellow Luffy
Oda loves to leave hints like that. Maybe, just maybe, he wanted to represent the entire crew, and made the color of the last nakama very evident as a way to represent him/her.
So, what I'm saying is: watch out for violet/purple characters.
But isn't Robin's color violet/purple?
Yes, it is. It was originally violet, but Oda sometimes portrays her as purple (like in the "Mugiwara 56" cover, above)
But there's many shades of violet/purple. Plus magenta. All those three colors are very similar to the human eye. Violet is a spectral color, close to blue, and in the end of the color spectrum, opposite to red. Purple and magenta are mixed colors, which are results of combinations of both ends of the color spectrum (red and blue/violet):
https://i.imgur.com/EUADO8j.png
There's plenty of ways that the last nakama may get a different shade than Robin's.
Also, both Sanji and Robin are often portrayed without their signature color. They are the only ones in 987's cover that are not displaying their colors in some way. They were also the only ones whose post-timeskip designs didn't feature their signature colors.
To me, that may signal that, while Robin's color may be similar to the last nakama's, they'll usually be portrayed in very different ways. Maybe the last nakama has violet/purple eyes or hair, or uses violet/purple way more evidently in his/hair clothes.
So, watch out for Yamato's color scheme, I guess?
But I don't think either Yamato or Carrot will be the last nakama. My bet is another character, which I will cover next. Since this is looking too far into the future, way beyond current arc, feel free to skip it.
! Why Hancock matters
I've been looking up to Hancock having a meaningful role in the story since her past as a slave was revealed. I only warmed up to her a nakama during Impel Down, thought, as her personality showed great potential for both drama and comedy. I was surprised to see her left behind, but, as in Jinbe's case, it then became clear that Oda was playing the long game.
! Before the timeskip, we got foreshadowed that Hancock losing her title would mean doom for Amazon Lily. Also, with her past as a slave, she had ties to the Celestial Dragon plotline, a thread that was also left dangling since Sabaody and still needs to be addressed in the main story. It's no coincidence that both stories are now returning.
! The flashback is coming…
Another thing to consider about Boa Hancock is that she's one of the few characters that is sure going to get her own flashback. When FIshman Island started, I was afraid that the most meaningful event of her past, the raid of Mary Geoise by Fisher Tiger, would be covered in Jinbe's flashback. Instead, to my not-so-surprise that exact event was refered but never covered. It got completely skipped, which means it is yet waiting to be shown and expanded.
! But Hancock's flashback won't just be about Fisher Tiger rampaging against the World Nobles. There's some small threads dangling about it. In Chapter Zero, we see a 7-year old Hancock telling her sisters they need to be even stronger to get on the Kuja ship. Ok, that, by itself, does not mean much. What's really strange is that Hancock and her sisters were kidnapped while on the ship, and, while you can say that a 12-year-old Hancock may have been strong enough to be accepted into it, what to say of 11-year-old Sanderonia or, worse yet, 9-year-old Marigold? No, I feel the sisters got on the ship as stowaways, were found out by the Kuja while on sea, and then kidnapped. If this theory is true, then what prompted the Boa sisters to wish to go to sea may be related to some sort of personal dream, and it could even mean that the younger sisters got onboard following Hancock, which would put her as feeling responsible for their enslavering and four years of suffering in Mary Geoise. That has a ton of potential for drama in a flashback and attonement in the present.
! Foreshadowing
Earlier today I said that I think the next nakama was hinted at way back in Chapter 97. Some people guessed right, I was talking about these panels:
https://i.imgur.com/AS8kJ7J.png
! In those, Nami is experimenting several clothes from a store in Logue Town, only to reject them because they are not of her style. What really makes this foreshadowing is the fact that the first set of clothes (from right to left) is Robin's. The second one, we would learn many later, was based on Hancock's earlier concepts.
! Another interesting thing from the same time is that Oda, as the story was entering the Grand Line, was asked to draw "future opponents" in one of the Color Walks. He then drew this concept, which he would later confirm was intented to be Hancock at the time. Notice the color purple/violet scheme:
https://i.imgur.com/vieO6VS.png
! I should also point out something that may be just coincidence, but Hancock's first appearance was in chapter 516, "The Pirate Empress, Boa Hancock", which featured the then-crewmates first appearances with the message: "A casual discovery…". Maybe it's nothing, as that was the first cover story after the crew's separation, but what if "A casual discovery" was a reference to a character being introduced to that chapter?
! Purple/Violet, in a subtle way
To make this already long post short, we essentially have a character that:
- has both a dramatic past and comedic potential.
- Luffy treats as a friend, call by name (actually a plot point) and owes a huge debt to
- has a flashback waiting to be shown
- is at the right strength level to join the crew now
- has been following Luffy's exploits all this time, and even helped him, thus wouldn't be a total stranger to the crew's adventures
- has been planned by Oda since the early days of One Piece.
- has been foreshadowed at least once
- Bonus: her numbers are 9 and 2: her birthday is September 2nd (9-2, or "Ku-ja"). Ok, it's not the 2.9 DF, but it's still 2 and 9, uh?
! And, as a plus, always has at least some modicum of violet/purple in her clothes:
The Kuja symbol (magenta/purple) / The sash (light purple) and innards of the dress (violet)
https://i.imgur.com/p2AeCqZ.png https://i.imgur.com/qW0LnLO.png
! The violet sash / The violet/purple Marineford dress (exact tone changes per source)
https://i.imgur.com/k3xeAcP.png https://i.imgur.com/LEtvXaK.png
! It's just my opinion, as always, but I know this for sure: even if she's not the last nakama, I'm sure she will have a big role soon. She could be the next "Trafalgar Law".
Tbh, I'm just gonna say this simply: We don't really know the color scheme at all for Yamato. Especially with his light and dark hair shading, he could very well have a ton of purple in his design. Also….Brook lol. I know you address it, but thats precisely the reason this doesn't work for me.
Edit: Anyway, I'm willing to roll with this until we know Yamato's true color scheme or if Hancock factors back into the story soon.
Edit 2: Changed pronouns from her to him.
I still say that the last Strawhat should have octarine as a color, and be a wizard because they're the only ones who can see said color.
I still say that the last Strawhat should have octarine as a color, and be a wizard because they're the only ones who can see said color.
Shiryu for last nakama. He's invisible, so his signature color is transparency.
@Gia:
Tbh, I'm just gonna say this simply: We don't really know the color scheme at all for Yamato. Especially with her light and dark hair shading, she could very well have a ton of purple in her design. Also….Brook lol. I know you address it, but thats precisely the reason this doesn't work for me.
Edit: Anyway, I'm willing to roll with this until we know Yamato's true color scheme or if Hancock factors back into the story soon.
I'm kinda hoping Volume 97 has the Masked Version of Yamato because whatever color scheme the mask and clothes are could help us infer the actual color scheme for him.
I'm kinda hoping Volume 97 has the Masked Version of Yamato because whatever color scheme the mask and clothes are could help us infer the actual color scheme for him.
Agreed, at least the clothing. Since the hair was originally part of the mask, I'm going to still treat that as separate to his original design since we know his hair now has multiple colors.
@Gia:
Agreed, at least the clothing. Since the hair was originally part of the mask, I'm going to still treat that as separate to his original design since we know his hair now has multiple colors.
Yeah the clothing could help, but mainly the Hannya mask is what stood out for me, as it's two colors which could be a hint(maybe)
Ya know, if we really are referencing the color theory and Brook sort of sits outside of that realm (on that Mugiwara-56 color spread he was really just "grey"), Oda could just relegate him to being Black, while Carrot is White lol. So on top of this "violet" crew member, you could have a one referencing white :p
You really were holding out to the very end if it took you this long to acknowledge Jinbro as a strawhat
Why you gotta play that? You think I've worn this mark for ten years and didn't believe in him?
I'm pretty sure Shift was referring to undeniable evidence that no one can refute that Jinbe is a Straw Hat. He's been acknowledging Jinbe as a Straw Hat for years.
Exactly! Thank you!
Well, has Oda confirmed somewhere that Brook has white and black? I always thought that brook was gray and that Oda only gave each straw hat one color.
Oda could retcon a color scheme, but I think it'd be pretty weird for Brook to be just Black.. especially when he's a skeleton, with a black Afro.
And I think Vivi has White/Gold? Idk if Oda would wanna mess with that scheme either.
I think White Gold is a real color.
If we're going there, why isn't brown a candidate for crew color? Or silver, for that matter?
No question about Jinbe being part of the crew (the latest color spread finally shows him as a Straw Hat, his re-introduction also clearly calls him helmsman of the Straw Hat Pirates).
But I don't think his loooong arc, which began in Impel Down, is over. No, Oda delayed his celebration, IMO, because there's still story to be told with him in Onigashima, something that brings his long arc to its big conclusion. Most likely, with Big Mom threatening fishman island for his defection, and he taking part in her defeat.
To be sure, but consider that Water 7/Enies Lobby had major "loooong arc" developments/conclusions for no less than three Strawhats at the same time - four, if you count the Going Merry (T_T).
As big and multifaceted as the Wano arc is, I have a hard time accepting the premise that "only one 'new' Strawhat can get the requisite development to join this arc", particularly given that Jinbe's technically had five arcs (Impel Down, Marineford, Fishman Island, Totland, and now Wano) to develop through and Carrot (if she joins) has had three (Zou, Totland, and Wano). As you say, Jinbe helping to make sure Big Mom won't threaten Fishman Island ever again would neatly tie up his arc. By the same token, dealing with Perospero seems like a probable means of Carrot doing the same, at least in part. Convenient then that they're almost certainly going to have to be dealt with one way or another.
Consequently, the only truly "new" candidate that needs development from the ground up is Yamato.
Not saying anything's guaranteed (well, except Jinbe), but I can easily see Oda pulling a "three-for-one" by the end of the arc, especially if we truly are going into the final saga after Wano. I've never been one of the people treating Wano as the "point of no new crewmates", but it's going to be really hard to bring anyone who's not already firmly established both as a character and in their relationship to the crew (CoughViviCough) into the fold if we're truly about to head into the series endgame.
Well, has Oda confirmed somewhere that Brook has white and black? I always thought that brook was gray and that Oda only gave each straw hat one color.
Yes, in a SBS. I would like to provide it but I can't from my job.
Pretty sure if you google Strawhats SBS colors you get the source from wikia.
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If we're going there, why isn't brown a candidate for crew color?
Uh, that's the one color I been claiming Jinbro is going to get in a SBS anytime now.
You know, there has been a lot of talk in the west online the last few years about Vivi being either the last crew member or even being added in as an extra crew member after the 11th spot finally gets filled up. I often wonder what the Japanese fandom's thoughts on this are? Like I know she is popular over there but I wonder if there is any hopes or guess work about her over there.
I do think Yamato might be here to fill that last crew spot since there would have to be an interesting figure or reason we would get our last member post-Wano to make it make sense imo. But if Vivi would be added on top of that Blackbeard would need another crew member so that could be weird since the ten captains feel like a set thing.
Personally, I'm not very convinced about Yamato. I don't know if her colors matter all that much. Stuff like color theory and number theory are kind of secondary in my opinion. So far, their predictive power has been pretty weak.
I think it's all about the story and the characters. While Yamato has expressed interest in going out to sea, I think that she could instead decide to stay with Momonosuke. The most Oden thing for an Oden fangirl to do would be to help Oden's children fulfill his desire to open the borders of Wano.
I'm not saying this with any degree of certainty of course. At this point, I still think it's unlikely. She could end up joining. But I think it will take more character development to convince me. Yamato wants to emulate Oden, but I don't think she can really fulfill the same role in Luffy's crew. Oden translated the Poneglyphs, helping chart the course to Laugh Tale. Robin already fills that role for the Straw Hats. I don't think Yamato has any knowledge of Robin, of course. Oden already completed his journey to Laugh Tale. What task remained unfinished was opening the borders of Wano.
If we're going there, why isn't brown a candidate for crew color? Or silver, for that matter?
Magnolia is the true color of choice.
It's hard to judge Yamato chances yet because Oda still didn't clarified what "being Oden" means and therefore how setting sail as a pirate is relevant to Yamato ambitions.
Yamato wants to set sail and be free as a step in become Oden? Or wants to be Oden to live freely as he did? Is sailing away a means to an end (becoming Oden) or the end in itself?
This is important because, obviously, shonen is never about nullifying yourself and becoming someone else's shadow - specially if we are talking about Yamato as a main character. "Becoming Oden" will most likely be discarded by the end of the arc as Yamato digs deeper to expose what actually lies beneath this desire of becoming someone else, and only then we'll find out if setting sail will be still a factor or was just part of a dead fake dream.
Brown hasn’t been used and brown is the color of Sand….. Crocodile for next crewmate confirmed :ninja:
So, Nami and Carrot freed themselves just fine. Now the Minks are going Sulong on the roof while Carrot's still on the ground floor. Either she transforms too and Luffy gets to see it, or she holds off and saves it for when the Straw Hats have their time to shine.
Doing it so early into the battle is a huge bet, considering she'll fall asleep right after doing it.
It's one of those very decisive moments for her.
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- Light Sea Green (no one, it was theorized to be Jinbe)
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I can see a little bit of brown in Jinbro's belt, that's it. That confirms it.