My boy Shouto is so cute as a baby in this chapter! Wishing you the best, Shouto-chan. :D
its bullshit
What does the story gain from seeing him as a child though.
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My boy Shouto is so cute as a baby in this chapter! Wishing you the best, Shouto-chan. :D
its bullshit
What does the story gain from seeing him as a child though.
S
its bullshit
What does the story gain from seeing him as a child though.
S
If the story delves further into the Todoroki family past, obviously he ain't not going to look like his current self.
! Specially if it tracks back all the way to when Touya was still around.
With the Todoroki drama which hopefully is paused after this chapter
! I'm still not sure why I can't give 2 shots about Dabi. As someone that tends to like villain types created by jacked up families (Gaara). I can't figure out why I don't care at all.
! My guess is that it's because we haven't really gotten to know Dabi.
! My memories are fuzzy as usual, but I can't remember Dabi ever doing anything beyond burning stuff and being a maniac. He hasn't formed any significant bonds with the villain league, and when we got a flashback it was short, shoehorned into a packed conflict and consisted entirely of Endeavour monologuing. What do we actually know about Dabi that makes him interesting as a person? He reminds me of Hody Jones, only ever hating and hating and never giving the reader a reason to care for him. Compare that to Twice or Toga or even Spinner, who feel more like people.
! Gaara was interesting because there was a juxtaposition between his monstrous strength and inner weakness. And even though he was strong, he formed relationships with the people around him. His siblings and teacher who were afraid of him. His fight with Lee, where he broke down seeing how much Lee was loved by his peers. Then it's all cemented by that flashback, seeing who he used to be, how he became his present self, and how his entire being is juxtaposed to the protagonist. And then it culminates as Naruto realizes they're exactly the same. If Iruka had never reached out for him, then Naruto could've wound up the same as Gaara.
! So I think that's what's missing from Dabi. He feels like a character who has been too much tell and too little show. And he needs more emotions than "I want to burn everything to the ground".
It's funny that we've gotten more development with the Todoroki family than the Midoriya's. By miles. Yes they're more of a below average family in terms of drama. But still…
I. AM. FUCKING. TIRED. OF. THE TODOROKI FAMILY DRAMA.
Oh god. Are the Todoroki's turning into the Uchiha's of this series?
We will get more about the Midoriya's when we have the "I'm your father reveal".
its bullshit
What does the story gain from seeing him as a child though.
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Jesus Christ sweetie, I'm just here to love my precious son Shouto. Calm down.
Besides, I'm not a fan of Endeavor's drama in the context of a children's comic anyway. I specifically believe it's inappropriate to try and redeem a character like him inside of a mainstream comic.
Besides, I'm not a fan of Endeavor's drama in the context of a children's comic anyway. I specifically believe it's inappropriate to try and redeem a character like him inside of a mainstream comic.
There we go again. Ever heard of the expression "I forgive, but I don't forget"?
There are far worse individuals out there in other works of fiction that are also aimed at children, you're making too much of a big deal while unintentionally aligning with the mindset of the snowflakes that threatened Horikoshi over that particular issue. Fiction takes from real life, but in the end reality and fiction don't correlate.
as someone who doesn't really care about the society aspect of the series, i appreciate the focus on this storyline, Endeavor is probably my favorite character in the series.
I would argue that reality takes far more from fiction than fiction from reality, after all we let society delve into a bad episode of the Simpsons.
There we go again. Ever heard of the expression "I forgive, but I don't forget"?
There are far worse individuals out there in other works of fiction that are also aimed at children, you're making too much of a big deal while unintentionally aligning with the mindset of the snowflakes that threatened Horikoshi over that particular issue. Fiction takes from real life, but in the end reality and fiction don't correlate.
Hey hon you can save the sarcasm. I have the same beliefs for any other title aimed at a mainstream audience, especially children, so don't go about moving the goal posts.
You literally know nothing about the abuse and dehumanization I've experienced over my life and I would appreciate it if you didn't tell me I'm making a big deal and calling me a snowflake over a two sentence statement where I say nothing more than "hey, maybe we shouldn't teach kids that child abuse should be forgiven" because that disarms children and perpetuates the Stockholm Syndrome of thinking "oh, it'll get better!" because you know what? It really doesn't. You just get better at hiding who you really are until one day you're a grown adult and have zero clue who you are because you exist only to make sure your abusers stay happy and your heart doesn't get broken further, l like a vase glued back together threatening to shatter with the lightest breeze.
Now, if this were an erotica doujin or whatever? Shit, I'd be hopping on Daddy's lap like a bitch in heat, but it's not and that means approaching the work with a degree of caution.
You literally know nothing about the abuse and dehumanization I've experienced over my life and I would appreciate it if you didn't tell me I'm making a big deal and calling me a snowflake over a two sentence statement where I say nothing more than "hey, maybe we shouldn't teach kids that child abuse should be forgiven" because that disarms children and perpetuates the Stockholm Syndrome of thinking "oh, it'll get better!" because you know what? It really doesn't. You just get better at hiding who you really are until one day you're a grown adult and have zero clue who you are because you exist only to make sure your abusers stay happy and your heart doesn't get broken further, l like a vase glued back together threatening to shatter with the lightest breeze.
Yep, I don't know shit about whatever you went through in your life, but I'm afraid you misunderstood the later part. The "snowflake" insult if you may call it was actually aimed to the few individuals who took the issue at hand with excessive hostility. Did you threatened the author? No? Then you're good. Because as much as a you can relate, going as far as sending death threats belittles what would otherwise be an interesting subject of talk, won't you agree.
Nevermind that we have yet to get to a point where the abuser in question gets any sort of redemption. If he ever gets any redemption at all, that's it.
So far from everything I've read till today, what I can say for certain is that the author isn't aiming for the shortcut and get that matter solved in the next hundred chapters or so. The procedure will be a long and arduous one. And as I've just said, if that ever happens. But there's no part in this story that teaches its demographic to forgive and forget.
Guess I'll leave it at there.
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I would argue that reality takes far more from fiction than fiction from reality, after all we let society delve into a bad episode of the Simpsons.
Been a decade since the last time I watched anything from the Simpsons, I have no idea what you are referring to.
Been a decade since the last time I watched anything from the Simpsons, I have no idea what you are referring to.
To how in the last decade we had a bunch of "the simpsons predicted it", it's like the writers are super smart to predict trends 10 years ahead, but because we as a society didn't move a finger to solve the issues they were making fun back them. In a way we let reality became a reflection of a sitcom.
I'll forgive my abusive father if he ends up in an ICU and sobs to me after his entire career, hopes and dreams are smashed into nothing and he is left a sad, sad shell of a human being.
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I'll forgive my abusive father if he ends up in an ICU and sobs to me after his entire career, hopes and dreams are smashed into nothing and he is left a sad, sad shell of a human being.
First Dabi don't want to forgive, he wants payback.
Second, any person that suffered some kind of abuse or bad treatment for a person, and after sometime said person tries to atone for the sins of his past and tries to apology to you and ask you forgiveness, you DON'T need to accept it. You are the one that suffered because of their actions. And if they are unsatisfied that you didn't forgive them, it only proves that they haven't changed.
Oh no, I'm saying I will personally forgive because I had one too.
So like, I'm not applying this to anyone but that's sufficient a "punishment" for me.
Obviously the ice is as thin as it can be in this thread so I totally get that the threshold is different for everyone.
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! Boo Tsukauchi bad move.
! It had to happen eventually and I suppose now is a good a time as any, when the stakes are super high. Too bad he has too many friends both in and out of the heroes.
https://mangaplus.shueisha.co.jp/viewer/1008524
! Todoroki family drama. How long until the revelation that Ujiko was the doc that diagnosed Toya?
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! Todoroki family drama. How long until the revelation that Ujiko was the doc that diagnosed Toya?
Wouldn't Endeavor have said something once they acknowledged him as a target in the raid? But I guess it's still possible it didn't click yet.
Well damn, this chapter was pretty damn depressing, although I don´t understand why some people think this makes Endy look better. Yeah, the guy didn´t force Touya to burn himself alive, but he pretty much neglected the kid and used him as an excuse to have more children to replace him, so he is pretty much still horrible. In fact, seeing how he ignored various wake-up calls (like the doctor telling him to stop playing god or what Touya does at the end of this chapter) makes Enji look worse for me, since he had various chances to stop and he didn´t.
My favorite part of the chapter is the page with how they react to Shoto´s birth, Hori is really good at making expresions. Also, gotta love the irony of Endy telling his son that there are other things outside the hero´s world, it´s a great example of parents using the "Do what I say, not what I do", no wonder the kid didn´t buy it.
Dabi was indeed a failure right from the start even if he did not have Endeavor as a father. Using his power is no different than Deku going 100% and pulverizing his limbs meaning he was not cut out for hero work. There is no way around that unless they build him a special suit that would keep him cool like Mr. Freeze in Batman.
Well damn, this chapter was pretty damn depressing, although I don´t understand why some people think this makes Endy look better. Yeah, the guy didn´t force Touya to burn himself alive, but he pretty much neglected the kid and used him as an excuse to have more children to replace him, so he is pretty much still horrible.
Eh, I just see it as adding a little more depth and showing how he's got a looooonng way to go still to repent.
Wait people were saying Enji looked better because this chapter? He went from"Kid, you can be the greatest hero ever and I'm gonna train you" to "Kid, you burn yourself so you didn't make the cut. So I'm gonna have more children that can manage the drean I gave you".
Wait people were saying Enji looked better because this chapter? He went from"Kid, you can be the greatest hero ever and I'm gonna train you" to "Kid, you burn yourself so you didn't make the cut. So I'm gonna have more children that can manage the drean I gave you".
Some people, they say that it feels like a retcon of Enji´s character. That Hori made Endy seems like a caring father and puts the blame on Dabi/Touya.
I mean, the chapter is literally tittled "The wrong way to put out a fire", it´s not really that subtle that Endy was in the wrong here.
This is a retcon of what people assume happened to Dabi. That is, people assume Dabi was scarred from something that Endeavour did either physically or intentionally. No, Endeavour never wanted to to happen. Rather, he gave up on Dabi after attempting to train him to be the strongest hero. It's horrible and painful in it's own right. The only difference here is that, despite that trauma of all this, it gives Dabi even less of an excuse to become a killer. He's the one pushing things to where they are now.
It seems I still really don't enjoy Dabi as a character, no matter the age.
The only difference here is that, despite that trauma of all this, it gives Dabi even less of an excuse to become a killer. He's the one pushing things to where they are now.
I mean, it´s not only that he stopped training him, there is also the fact that we don´t see Endeavor trying to spend time with him doing another things or telling him that he will love him no matter what, instead he quite literally replaces him twice. Kids on regular families already get the feelings that their parents are replacing them sometimes, but in this particular case it was exactly what was happening and Touya noticed.
And we still don´t know how Touya felt during the few years before his "death" or after, neither why he almost burned himself alive. He also didn´t have anyone supporting him during his adolescence, not her family, not friends, etc. "Almost dying" alone must have been quite a bad experience, so if you start adding everything, even with the blanks yet to be filled, it´s not weird that Dabi ended like he did.
That is the most Dabi thing Touya could've done.
It paints Endeavor in a "better" light, because the fandom decided to cover over anything with a big "abuse" shet and let imagination run wild, before it could have been anything, including the most evil depraved destructive thing, and now it is just a very awful soul crushing thing.
So, endeavor has just flames, rei has ice powers and cold resistance, so dabi has flames and cold resistance, while shoto has fire and ice, no resistances, and natsu and fuyumi have rei's quirks only? This is textbook mendelian inheritance.
The implication is that Shoto has to be careful and self regulate his temperature, while Dabi if by a benefactor managed to get his hands on any ice quirk or an ice support device, he wouldn't need to regulate it, just blast it and be chill while he burns the world.
Which brings the question with the Aoyamas could get the belt, why the far richer Todoroki's couldn't get a support item for young Toya?
while shoto has fire and ice, no resistances
I thought Shota has fire resistance? He's never burned himself, has he?
Which brings the question with the Aoyamas could get the belt, why the far richer Todoroki's couldn't get a support item for young Toya?
Probably because Endeavor considered it too much to bother when he could just have more kids. That or he decided that it was too dangerous for Toya regardless, without considering how much the boy wanted it.
Probably because Endeavor considered it too much to bother when he could just have more kids.
While true, it could have helped Toya living a normal life.
I don't think it's fair to say Dabi had nobody in his family. We've seen Fuymi and Natsuo with him. Yeah Endeavor lit a fire as he said, but his other rejected siblings were there, talked to him, showed concern, let him cry, etc. Rei and Endeavor I don't think would have been able to handle Touya no matter the circumstances. He's definitely stubborn and doesn't care about his own wellbeing.
I don't think this chapter retconned anything either, it just filled in gaps. You can see Endeavor becoming more and more frustrated until Shoto was born. But at that point he hadn't displayed any quirk yet, so Dabi and Endeavor just looked at his hair and saw him as a possible replacement. His treatment of Shoto seemed to be more physically harsh since he could handle more. While Dabi's seemed to be more on the psychological end of things.
Hopefully next chapter ends this side plot of the Todoroki's in the meantime. (Also secretly hoping Bakugo happens to be accidentally eavesdropping again lmao. He keeps getting sucked into their family drama).
I have seen something interesting on another forum, since Rei´s family seems to have been important in the past, some people are saying that maybe Geten and her are related. It was already a theory before, but now it kinda seems likely.
So, endeavor has just flames, rei has ice powers and cold resistance, so dabi has flames and cold resistance, while shoto has fire and ice, no resistances, and natsu and fuyumi have rei's quirks only? This is textbook mendelian inheritance.
I always thought that Shoto´s body was resistant to high temperatures on the fire side and resistant to low temperatures on the ice one, both resistances having however an upper limit, but thanks to half fire/half ice he can overcome them if he uses his power properly like you said. That´s why I think his ice side will be more burnt once he takes off the bandages, if he gets more scars after what happened, that´s it.
Well damn, this chapter was pretty damn depressing, although I don´t understand why some people think this makes Endy look better.
Because We focus mostly on showing Endeveor concern and giving Touya fair advice and Touya refusal to listen to reason and obsession.
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Hey P.H.? Did you notice the bag containing Knuckleduster's brass knuckles were the only thing stolen out Koichi's apartment? He's finally coming back. And, knowing what we know now, the reason why he'll show up late will be because he's been planning how to deal with No. 6. I even got a crack theory he's been looking for Rappa to help them out in some way.
What I like most about the chapter was Aizawa keeping tabs on the Naruhata situation. I bet Fat Gum and Igenium are too.
Looks like Tsukauchi text Aizawa to be in his Capture Crawler Operation. Yeah, Tsukauchi doesn't realize how many hero friends Koichi has.
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It's basically going down like I thought. Endeavor puts Toya on a pedestal then throws him away when he's not useful to him. I can understand people thinking Endeavor has been reconned but not wanting you kid to burn himself to death is a pretty low bar to jump. Endeavor just wants Toya to be happy doing something else, as long as that something has nothing to do with him.
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! My guess is that it's because we haven't really gotten to know Dabi.
! My memories are fuzzy as usual, but I can't remember Dabi ever doing anything beyond burning stuff and being a maniac. He hasn't formed any significant bonds with the villain league, and when we got a flashback it was short, shoehorned into a packed conflict and consisted entirely of Endeavour monologuing. What do we actually know about Dabi that makes him interesting as a person? He reminds me of Hody Jones, only ever hating and hating and never giving the reader a reason to care for him. Compare that to Twice or Toga or even Spinner, who feel more like people.
! Gaara was interesting because there was a juxtaposition between his monstrous strength and inner weakness. And even though he was strong, he formed relationships with the people around him. His siblings and teacher who were afraid of him. His fight with Lee, where he broke down seeing how much Lee was loved by his peers. Then it's all cemented by that flashback, seeing who he used to be, how he became his present self, and how his entire being is juxtaposed to the protagonist. And then it culminates as Naruto realizes they're exactly the same. If Iruka had never reached out for him, then Naruto could've wound up the same as Gaara.
! So I think that's what's missing from Dabi. He feels like a character who has been too much tell and too little show. And he needs more emotions than "I want to burn everything to the ground".
I agree. And, I'm happy Horikoshi gave Dabi thought bubbles this chapter. It's a sign he no longer has to hide Dabi's true self and we can get more personality out of him, especially with how he interacts with the League from now on.
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Great pic! I love how they both looked wreaked from a team-up battle.
Which brings the question with the Aoyamas could get the belt, why the far richer Todoroki's couldn't get a support item for young Toya?
He probably considered it a weakness because All Might doesn't use them.
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Hey P.H.? Did you notice the bag containing Knuckleduster's brass knuckles were the only thing stolen out Koichi's apartment? He's finally coming back. And, knowing what we know now, the reason why he'll show up late will be because he's been planning how to deal with No. 6. I even got a crack theory he's been looking for Rappa to help them out in some way.
I reaaaaaaally want to believe that, but old man is probably dead. Nevertheless hype for Oguro 2.0.
Because We focus mostly on showing Endeveor concern and giving Touya fair advice and Touya refusal to listen to reason and obsession.
I mean, he did the bare minimum. He didn´t try to lead by example by giving up his dream himself neither he tried to bond with Toya doing other things with him so he would learn that he still cared about him, instead he tried to replace him and the images on the chapter seem to suggest that he used Toya as an excuse to have more children.
I understand the people not wanting to give Hori the benefit of the doubt with this chapter, because it´s a very touchy subject and some of the fucked up stuff Endeavor did this chapter is showed with images and not explained with words, so I really hope next chapter he is extra careful and makes the point he is trying to make as clear as possible.
That said, after this chapter I have seen some people that can´t wait for Horikoshi to mess up for good the Todoroki´s family character arc, so they can finally say "Ha! I told you this would happen, you bunch of idiots!" Wich I find really concerning, because if Hori really ends messing this up it would hurt and dissapoint lots of people, myself included, so the fact there are people hoping for the worse so they can be right and gloat about it is really, really sad.
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Hey P.H.? Did you notice the bag containing Knuckleduster's brass knuckles were the only thing stolen out Koichi's apartment? He's finally coming back. And, knowing what we know now, the reason why he'll show up late will be because he's been planning how to deal with No. 6. I even got a crack theory he's been looking for Rappa to help them out in some way.What I like most about the chapter was Aizawa keeping tabs on the Naruhata situation. I bet Fat Gum and Igenium are too.
Looks like Tsukauchi text Aizawa to be in his Capture Crawler Operation. Yeah, Tsukauchi doesn't realize how many hero friends Koichi has.MHA 301
It's basically going down like I thought. Endeavor puts Toya on a pedestal then throws him away when he's not useful to him. I can understand people thinking Endeavor has been reconned but not wanting you kid to burn himself to death is a pretty low bar to jump. Endeavor just wants Toya to be happy doing something else, as long as that something has nothing to do with him.I agree. And, I'm happy Horikoshi gave Dabi thought bubbles this chapter. It's a sign he no longer has to hide Dabi's true self and we can get more personality out of him, especially with how he interacts with the League from now on.
Great pic! I love how they both looked wreaked from a team-up battle.
He probably considered it a weakness because All Might doesn't use them.
Didn't All Might use support gear early on in his career? Which the 1st movie touched on.
Nothing to add except that I’m not sure how resistant shoto is to either fire or ice, but that he has to self regulate is certain.
I mean, he did the bare minimum. He didn´t try to lead by example by giving up his dream himself neither he tried to bond with Toya doing other things with him so he would learn that he still cared about him, instead he tried to replace him and the images on the chapter seem to suggest that he used Toya as an excuse to have more children.
I mean intelectually we know that. Same way we know that Flamebeard did train him and put those expectations on him before giving up on him. But just looking at this chapter you dont get that. Its not like you see Toya with a soccer running to dad and he ignores him. You dont even see him tell Touya he has to be the best or he'll be worthless. You only see concerned parent Endevor trying to have his kid abandon a distructive behavior and have a better life.
We also see a concerned parent that only spends time with his sons while training, and fumbled to make Toya understand that he wasn't being replaced - he was - by bonding over something different than heroics. The kid is not stupid he new the burden that was placed upon him, and the only time he got affection was during training.
Didn't All Might use support gear early on in his career? Which the 1st movie touched on.
Yeah, but he abandoned it and it seems like he doesn't even need it. Maybe Endeavor wanted to fight fire with fire. Or better, quirk with quirk.
Yeah, but he abandoned it and it seems like he doesn't even need it. Maybe Endeavor wanted to fight fire with fire. Or better, quirk with quirk.
But the case in question is not, use support item to make Toya achieve my dream but to use support item to make sure Toya don't burn himself to death.
Endeavor's not thinking in those terms though. It's all about himself. If he cared what Toya wanted he would train with him and buy him support items so he could become some kind of hero. But, nope. If Toya doesn't have potential to be the best of the best (If All Might abandoned support items they shouldn't use it either) he's out. Endeavor could've easily raised a family of heroes (like the Ingenium Family) if that's what the kids wanted but his short-sightedness doomed Toya.
Endeavor's not thinking in those terms though. It's all about himself. If he cared what Toya wanted he would train with him and buy him support items so he could become some kind of hero. But, nope. If Toya doesn't have potential to be the best of the best (If All Might abandoned support items they shouldn't use it either) he's out. Endeavor could've easily raised a family of heroes (like the Ingenium Family) if that's what the kids wanted but his short-sightedness doomed Toya.
But by that point we're talking about discarded project Toya, only guaranteeing that him - as stubborn as his father - don't burn himself to death trying to gain Enji's attention again.
True, Endeavor got in his head to beat All Might. Mistake #1.
Abandoning Toya instead of admitting he was wrong trying to raise a child that way and instead encouraged and helped Toya be the best hero he can be. Mistake #2.
Abandoning was mistake number #3, from all we can gather of the Todoroki's Enji spent very little time with his family.
Forcing his dream upon his child was mistake number #2.