One Piece 863: The Consumate Gentleman

Greg

What about Marigold and Daruma?

Marigold is easily explainable as as extension of Seimeikikan. Not a big deal there.

As far as Daruma, I completely forget about him. Maybe on purpose. You mean the fact that he can chew or something else? It's not a DF power so I'm fine with that.

As for Trebol, it's a DF power that out of nowhere ^O^ has the power to be highly flammable because it made for drama. We can agree that Ope Ope is OP and considering how much it's sought after that's fine. But DR is just a culmination of powers that seem to be built entirely on furthering the plot at the author's convenience. Does Oda have a reason for it? Maybe? But by gosh, if he can't take two panels to explain a power to make it seem even a bit natural, that gives me reason to worry about the character-building.

Long John Silvers Rayleigh

Hey I just realized something isnt stepping on glasses a thing in some weddings

Possibly jewish ones idk? Big mom stepping on the cup seems like something from a type of wedding and I wonder if oda used it there because of that

Kaido King of the Beasts

Yeah that's a traditional part of a Jewish wedding.

Jinbe x Big Mom is now canon, no new crewmate here, move along

Monquito

Little by little, the worst gens are realizing how much of a mistake was to ally with Luffy

Who's next?? Kidd? Appo?? maybe Urouge??

FolhaS

@Monquito:

Little by little, the worst gens are realizing how much of a mistake was to ally with Luffy

http://media.tumblr.com/4fbfac47526e7c74d3e779142e1ed4cd/tumblr_inline_mivjc292Aq1qz4rgp.jpg

Who's next?? Kidd? Appo?? maybe Urouge??

Aww shit, I seriously hope that's a joke Oda is going for.

Zeorn

@PirateHunter:

I agree. I don't think it's particularly poorly handled, but I think it would have been better if there were a shot of Brook saying "Luffy-san, I have an idea…" or something similar. Oda has done this many times previously. I sort of expect there to be another flashback next chapter.

Are people not allowed to be surprised anymore? Yes, we already had the plan explained to us, but it was obviously never going to go perfectly with Luffy involved. We thought the plan might be falling apart and then surprise, Brook to the rescue.

Let the awesomeness that is Brook shine! He deserves some payback after being treated like a toy by Big Mom.

Plus, Luffy is no planner/mastermind. He is clever during a fight but in the past Sanji has always been the one that knows what needs to be done and just goes off by himself to handle it. The Straw Hats all know Luffy is reliable in fights but they will back him up when any other problems arise.

sonnet

Did anybody by chance understand what Katakouri meant in the last panel of this page:
https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/one-piece-2/en/0/863/page/15

by saying "don't analyze every little thing about me?"

RomanceDawn

@sonnet:

Did anybody by chance understand what Katakouri meant in the last panel of this page:
https://jaiminisbox.com/reader/read/one-piece-2/en/0/863/page/15

by saying "don't analyze every little thing about me?"

Katakuri is seeing the future and responding to what Jimbei will say about his devil fruit and its weakness.

sonnet

@RomanceDawn:

Katakuri is seeing the future and responding to what Jimbei will say about his devil fruit and its weakness.

ah! that makes sense, thank you RD

LightningAce

@Monquito:

Little by little, the worst gens are realizing how much of a mistake was to ally with Luffy

[qimg]http://media.tumblr.com/4fbfac47526e7c74d3e779142e1ed4cd/tumblr_inline_mivjc292Aq1qz4rgp.jpg[/qimg]

Who's next?? Kidd? Appo?? maybe Urouge??

Given Kidd is caged up by Kaido, and seems very likely he'll take part in the war against him….sure why not....

Riddler

@Kaido:

Yeah that's a traditional part of a Jewish wedding.

Jinbe x Big Mom is now canon, no new crewmate here, move along

Awesome, Mazel Tov to the happy married couple! Though since Jinbei just declared he is a member of Luffys crew now, I guess that makes the Strawhats Big Mums new subordinates. Big News!

ARTEMlS

@Kaido:

Yeah that's a traditional part of a Jewish wedding.

Jinbe x Big Mom is now canon, no new crewmate here, move along

This is One Piece, so the priest who just got shot is alive and can discharge his duties later on…

KageKageKing

I don't think Jewish Weddings exists in One Piece.

Count Mario

@Zeorn:

Are people not allowed to be surprised anymore? Yes, we already had the plan explained to us, but it was obviously never going to go perfectly with Luffy involved. We thought the plan might be falling apart and then surprise, Brook to the rescue.

Let the awesomeness that is Brook shine! He deserves some payback after being treated like a toy by Big Mom.

Plus, Luffy is no planner/mastermind. He is clever during a fight but in the past Sanji has always been the one that knows what needs to be done and just goes off by himself to handle it. The Straw Hats all know Luffy is reliable in fights but they will back him up when any other problems arise.

That doesn't mean HOW we get surprised doesn't matter. There are skillful ways of doing it by manipulating expectations with what is already set up with the info we know, and then there can be times where new stuff is tacked on in a cheap way to make people surprised without actually being clever. The thing about Brook is that he was already in a Luffy disguise since the plan started. He didn't just come to the rescue when he saw Luffy needed it, it was always on his mind. And that is a bit weird since everybody seemed fine with Luffy being bait and breaking the picture. We may know the plan won't work as readers, but that does not mean the characters know.

I still think this is cool. I love Brook getting to shine. But I'm still going point out parts of a comic I love that I feel could be improved in certain ways. This is a rather minor thing, so I am not that concerned.

Haros

Big Mom is really the only character in OP that gives Luffy vibes.

She is what Luffy would look like if he was evil.

Loved her heart eyes upon seeing the cake, forgetting about fake brook in an instant after getting distracted by something else and her reaction when katakuri tries to protect her.

Count Mario

@Haros:

Big Mom is really the only character in OP that gives Luffy vibes.

She is what Luffy would look like if he was evil.

Loved her heart eyes upon seeing the cake, forgetting about fake brook in an instant after getting distracted by something else and her reaction when katakuri tries to protect her.

I would also include Blackbeard. Him, Luffy, and Big Mom are like a selfishly ambitious glutton trifecta.

Haros

@Count:

I would also include Blackbeard. Him, Luffy, and Big Mom are like a selfishly ambitious glutton trifecta.

The only reason I did not include BB is because I can't imagine BB going goofy/silly over something. I do hope though that Oda surprises me with pie eyed BB.

Count Mario

@Haros:

The only reason I did not include BB is because I can't imagine BB going goofy/silly over something. I do hope though that Oda surprises me with pie eyed BB.

But he does it all of the time. He argued with Luffy over taste preferences and he acts hysterical whenever he gets hurt or is scared of dying. And he has a nice jolly evil laugh.

Haros

The argument with Luffy was more of a fight between them than anything else :). And him acting hysterical is more of quirk than going crazy over something. Wrll at least that's the way I see it :).

Matuzalem

Little by little, the worst gens are realizing how much of a mistake was to ally with Luffy

Who's next?? Kidd? Appo?? maybe Urouge??

It's called "Enel syndrome". And we love it.

Count Mario

@Haros:

The argument with Luffy was more of a fight between them than anything else :). And him acting hysterical is more of quirk than going crazy over something. Wrll at least that's the way I see it :).

Ah, I get what you mean. Although to be fair, he did start going crazy with power in Marineford by proclaiming his new age starting and bragging about destroying everything. Although I doubt we'll get as far seeing him get Judge Doom eyes like Big Mom in this chapter lol.

Shobu Yoruichi

@Game:

mochi being a logia makes sense when buddha is a zoan

When jesus comes to be logia, then i would accept that mochi is a logia.

Obviously, Katakuri is like the Kidd/Ace of the arc, mistake after mistake made to hype.

It was a normal chapter, Bege's face the best.

Kaido King of the Beasts

Hype is a dangerous substance. If left unchecked it can shatter easily when character proves to not be infallible.

Maju

@Game:

mochi being a logia makes sense when buddha is a zoan

technically a buddha is as much zoan material as a phoenix is.

Zeorn

@Shobu:

When jesus comes to be logia, then i would accept that mochi is a logia.

Obviously, Katakuri is like the Kidd/Ace of the arc, mistake after mistake made to hype.

It was a normal chapter, Bege's face the best.

To be specific, the Japanese version just says he ate the Mochi Mochi Fruit and Mochi Mochi is actually an onomatopoeia used to describe anything with a mochi-like texture (doughy, elastic, springy).

Not exactly the same as saying he is a "Mochi" (the food) man.

Just have to think of some natural substance that could behave that way.

Zar

I don't mind Mochi being a logia. The one I'm having trouble with is Trebol's sticky sticky fruit. They're similar concepts (even including onomatopoeia) but different classes.

I guess there are paramecia and logia fruits that are very similar to each other, but the difference being that one can only produce a substance the element, and the other transform into it. Magellan's and Galdino's fruits would both makes sense as logias.

And then we have cases like Baby 5's fruit.

Count Mario

@Zar:

I don't mind Mochi being a logia. The one I'm having trouble with is Trebol's sticky sticky fruit. They're similar concepts (even including onomatopoeia) but different classes.

You can also add Opera's fruit to that.

Ruin

Opera is likely in the same class as Galdino
Not actually a logia but they take on some properties of what they can produce. (ie Galdino looking melty in high heat)

Count Mario

I'm sure that Opera's a Parmecia. His cream seems to not be as sticky as Trebol's, but still have it's own flame-based properties. Instead of exploding, the "sweetness" burns people. For some reason that probably follows alongside Oda's thought process in making flammably explosive mucus.

On a side note, some of my favorite designs in One Piece are the ones where standard attire or physique are actually a part of one's Devil Fruit powers. Such as Trebol's mucus coat, Caesar's gas coat, and Opera's cream skin. It makes their attacks look more organic when summoned from parts of their body/clothes than just being willed into existence from thin air. I always appreciate design cleverness like that.

Shobu Yoruichi

@Zeorn:

Just have to think of some natural substance that could behave that way.

Gel Gel no mi it would've been better than that. You can use it as a sticky product and even eat certain types of gel, also a kind of whale produces gel… that got closer to fit as a Logia, not just some rice with problems with liquids.

I mean, Mont D'or and Brûlée have fruits apart of the thematic of the arc and just their names fit with it, like with Potato.

The main problem here is that Katakuri is so fucking overpowered... by bounty we got that he's the strongest Linlin's commander, but he can check the entire future of closer situations, shoots bullets to far and close combats, it's a Logia class that can only be defeated by Buso users and still it has an ability that can stop the movement of almost anything because it got a sticky ability... i mean, who can defeat a guy like him? Alone: Teach & Linlin.

It is a character that is fated to be nerfed.

huehuehue

@Shobu:

Gel Gel no mi it would've been better than that. You can use it as a sticky product and even eat certain types of gel, also a kind of whale produces gel… that got closer to fit as a Logia, not just some rice with problems with liquids.

I mean, Mont D'or and Brûlée have fruits apart of the thematic of the arc and just their names fit with it, like with Potato.

The main problem here is that Katakuri is so fucking overpowered... by bounty we got that he's the strongest Linlin's commander, but he can check the entire future of closer situations, shoots bullets to far and close combats, it's a Logia class that can only be defeated by Buso users and still it has an ability that can stop the movement of almost anything because it got a sticky ability... i mean, who can defeat a guy like him? Alone: Teach & Linlin.

It is a character that is fated to be nerfed.

I think something like Sap-Sap Fruit would make more sense tbh

Kaido King of the Beasts

@Shobu:

The main problem here is that Katakuri is so fucking overpowered… by bounty we got that he's the strongest Linlin's commander, but he can check the entire future of closer situations, shoots bullets to far and close combats, it's a Logia class that can only be defeated by Buso users and still it has an ability that can stop the movement of almost anything because it got a sticky ability... i mean, who can defeat a guy like him? Alone: Teach & Linlin.

His array of powers isn't much bigger than Cracker's - Cracker was a skilled swordsman, had tough Armament Haki, and was a master craftsman with his Devil Fruit. Plus, Katakuri's Haki and Devil Fruit have very clear weaknesses just like Cracker's did.

Shobu Yoruichi

@Kaido:

His array of powers isn't much bigger than Cracker's - Cracker was a skilled swordsman, had tough Armament Haki, and was a master craftsman with his Devil Fruit. Plus, Katakuri's Haki and Devil Fruit have very clear weaknesses just like Cracker's did.

What's the weakness of his haki?

Kaido King of the Beasts

@Shobu:

What's the weakness of his haki?

It doesn't let him see all parts of the future or the context surrounding what he does see - like when he foresaw Sanji dodging a shot, but didn't know it was his shot and he accidentally killed the priest instead.

KageKageKing

@Kaido:

It doesn't let him see all parts of the future or the context surrounding what he does see - like when he foresaw Sanji dodging a shot, but didn't know it was his shot and he accidentally killed the priest instead.

I was under the impression he(Sanji) predicted both shots.

uniaka ikuzakas

So I imagine fighters like sanji and luffy are not good to fight sticky logia, since they get ..stuck. A swordman like zoro would be more suited to fight him, even more with air slashes. But wait…what if sanji shows his knifemanship and/or rankyaku.

Also, how does armaments of haki work? You still get stuck if you touch him with it or not? Since hak iallows you to touch the real body of logias.

Koliber

@Kaido:

It doesn't let him see all parts of the future or the context surrounding what he does see - like when he foresaw Sanji dodging a shot, but didn't know it was his shot and he accidentally killed the priest instead.

It could be just that he can't see that is changed by his own actions, or by actions resulting from knowing the future (so there's no iterative procedure). And he sees exact images (as evidenced by Pudding's situation), it would be weird if he couldn't distinguish his own shot from priest's one.

Shobu Yoruichi

@Kaido:

It doesn't let him see all parts of the future or the context surrounding what he does see - like when he foresaw Sanji dodging a shot, but didn't know it was his shot and he accidentally killed the priest instead.

I don't see that as a weakness. Because Sanji is somewhat a prodigy on Kenbun, he would dodge anything that would come to him, besides that's what the usual power does, attempt an attack.

For applicated simplicity here, let say that normal users attempt movement, potato attempts situations. In that regard, his sight is an outstanding feature of him, and does not have a weakness because he sees the situations where you're going to make a movement… Haki was made to stand above devil fruits after all, and still Oda gives him a Logia. Cracker was fine, hardest Buso and great skill over his power, potato is just overwhelming... makes Jozu and Marco feel like Buggy and Galdino.

Strooger

@uniaka:

So I imagine fighters like sanji and luffy are not good to fight sticky logia, since they get ..stuck. A swordman like zoro would be more suited to fight him, even more with air slashes. But wait…what if sanji shows his knifemanship and/or rankyaku.

Also, how does armaments of haki work? You still get stuck if you touch him with it or not? Since hak iallows you to touch the real body of logias.

If he attacks Katakuri's body directly and not his body when it's stretched out and all sticky, I think his arament would cancel out Katakuri's devil fruit effect as usual. I don't see any reason to think otherwise, unless Katakuri has already stretched out.

Kaido King of the Beasts

@KageKageKing:

I was under the impression he(Sanji) predicted both shots.

Nope - the priest didn't shoot until Katakuri hit him, and his shot went wide.

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@Shobu:

I don't see that as a weakness. Because Sanji is somewhat a prodigy on Kenbun, he would dodge anything that would come to him, besides that's what the usual power does, attempt an attack.

Not necessarily - Observation doesn't let your body do anything out of the ordinary. If Sanji was forced to go into Katakuri's line of fire in order to avoid the priest, then he'd be dead.

For applicated simplicity here, let say that normal users attempt movement, potato attempts situations. In that regard, his sight is an outstanding feature of him, and does not have a weakness because he sees the situations where you're going to make a movement… Haki was made to stand above devil fruits after all, and still Oda gives him a Logia. Cracker was fine, hardest Buso and great skill over his power, potato is just overwhelming... makes Jozu and Marco feel like Buggy and Galdino.

Yes, it's very strong but it does not work well with everything. Katakuri might be able to see that movement, but he will not see what else is going on around that movement. Thus, he can deal with that movement as best he can, but will be unable to anticipate another party jumping in and sabotaging him. Like when he saw Luffy attacking the portrait of Carmel - he either failed to see Brook doing it later, or he mistook Brook for Luffy and assumed he prevented the movement when he went after Luffy.

And Logia doesn't equal strength. We've met Logia users like Caribou, Monet, and Caesar who were total patsies compared to guys like Doflamingo and Jack. Plus, Haki can be a complement to Devil Fruits, like with Cracker. I don't see how the two need to be separate. Marco and Jozu both have powerful Devil Fruits + Haki.

Monquito

@Shobu:

What's the weakness of his haki?

aaah, how much nostalgia I'm having right now maan.
All this totally reminds me of Satori, where, Luffy and Sanji together seemed to be totally outclassed by Satori's mantra. Then Luffy catches him and tells him; all that thing about predicting stuff is amazing, but too bad… is no use if you can't dodge, Then Satori gets his shit Concassed

Now, I'm off to re-watch Skypiea while we wait for next chap:wub:

Downloading

Somebody has got to say it, Jinbe won't join because he can't fit through the Sunny's doors :ninja:

Kaido King of the Beasts

Well, if Jinbe can't fit through the doors, then he'll get stuck out in the elements, which will cause him to eventually get sick and die. And he can't join the crew if he's dead. Jinbe joining the crew DISPROVEN

Shadow5963

@Kaido:

Well, if Jinbe can't fit through the doors, then he'll get stuck out in the elements, which will cause him to eventually get sick and die. And he can't join the crew if he's dead. Jinbe joining the crew DISPROVEN

He will fit in the fish tank

huehuehue

@Downloading:

Somebody has got to say it, Jinbe won't join because he can't fit through the Sunny's doors :ninja:

I think hes smaller than franky..

Downloading

@huehuehue:

I think hes smaller than franky..

You obviously didn't get the AGOG reference, oh well, it's not your fault since that was before you joined this forum.

Drake_Cloud

@Downloading:

Somebody has got to say it, Jinbe won't join because he can't fit through the Sunny's doors :ninja:

I'm crossing my fingers that this gets turned into a joke in the series at some point.

FolhaS

@Shobu:

When jesus comes to be logia, then i would accept that mochi is a logia.

Obviously, Katakuri is like the Kidd/Ace of the arc, mistake after mistake made to hype.

It was a normal chapter, Bege's face the best.

You know Buddha is a title/adjective, right?
The zoan model is not Sidarta Gautama no Mi so there shouldn't be a Jesus fruit.

But Christ/Messiah is also a title/adjective, it means the anointed one, so we could have a oil/oily fruit.

STP_PS

Breaking apart and shaking the status Quo is what Luffy is all about. So it stands to reason that Characters such as Capone and Morganz will be gradually pulled towards him.

Considering that Capone continually seeks the excitement brought by chaos and seeing how Luffy pretty much is a turmoil bringer (for selfish reasons most of the times, ); The alliance with Capone is pretty much a given even if ''forced'' by circumstances.By the end of this arc I could envision Capone as a SH supporter. Primarily for the thrill most of their actions carry. Can you imagine the outcome of an OP world without a head (World goverment). Mr Capone would be bursting in ecstasy on the sole thought. At least that's how I see their relationship. What do you think?

KageKageKing

@FolhaS:

You know Buddha is a title/adjective, right?
The zoan model is not Sidarta Gautama no Mi so there shouldn't be a Jesus fruit.

But Christ/Messiah is also a title/adjective, it means the anointed one, so we could have a oil/oily fruit.

I
It's not actually a Buddha, but a Daibutsu.