I have so many questions about Piccolo’s house. Does he own the land or pay property taxes? What’s the address? Who’s sending him mail?
Toriyama giving mundane qualities to his characters is one of the best things he could have done. Son Goku is a shitty farmer, Kuririn is a policeman, and Junior Demon King Piccolo has a mailbox.
Piccolo: Bills…bills...bills...Meditating In The Wilderness Aficionado Magazine...
New DBS chapter:
It's funny to me how Vegeta provoking Granolah like he did with Cabba actually lead him to improve. The other explanation here could also be that Vegeta was being overwhelmed by the GoD power, but I lean towards the former because that's the more consistent narrative here.
Also the spoiler outrage this time around was extra kind of funny/dumb because people freaked out over three out of context pages a day before the chapter was out and in context the entire thing had a pretty different meaning to it.
Even Vegeta's English VA Chris Sabat did a wierd thing and reacted to unofficial leaks with no context.
I thought this chapter was okay overall. Once again, I'm kind of tired of Vegeta. Right now I find pretty much anyone else more engaging. But what's been done with him here is alright.
Glad to see Vegeta lose. Now that the fighting is over I'm going to be very interested in seeing where the plot goes next. Hopefully a few drama chapters now!
I don't think the fight is over, Vegeta hasn't even lost his Ultra Ego yet
I don't think the fight is over, Vegeta hasn't even lost his Ultra Ego yet
This sounds really funny in the most straight-forward sense, but apparently the implication of the name of the form "wagamama no gokui" is "mastery of selfishness" so the purpose behind it is actually "mastering" his ego.
It's also apparently "ego" in contrast to the "id" of Ultra Instinct. Is Gohan going to have a Super Ego-inspired power-up, then?
Id is the instinct, Super Ego is the moral conscience and Ego is the "reason" mediating between them.
I finally got to reading the Dragon Ball manga again and holy crap is the 21st Tenkaichi an improvement not only over the first arc of the manga, but also most of the 'Z portion' stuff.
I read the first arc and then went over to the Saiyan and Cell arcs because I was curious about them and how they were handled in the manga over the anime. My issue with the Saiyan Saga was that Piccolo's arc was kind of rushed through, with the anime giving it more time to breathe. I liked it still, but the anime made some good calls with it.
My issue with the Cell arc were a few pretty forgettable sections (The start is good and the end is good, but a bunch of the connective tissue between sections is kind of ehh) and the better fillers – stuff that didn't include long pans and dragging out the story – gave it much-needed fun and levity, but also humanity. I think the reason why the ending actually impacted me as much as it did as a kid was that filler during the 3 days of rest. I liked it because it did a good job with the character arcs, but there were still details that stood out like a sore thumb like Cell being a boring villain or Vegeta just kind of being handed Super Saiyan and in a general sense I didn't like the tone it was growing towards. But it at least fulfilled the major stuff it set up, Buu didn't even do that).
But I take zero issue with Krillin's arc before and during the 21st tournament. I forgot Krillin wasn't just a jerk, but a jerk with some more to his character because in discussions he's constantly simplified. His growth into Goku's friend was surprisingly gradual and delibrate, not just a sudden switch.
Eventhough Krillin was a jerk, he was also smart. Rereading that section just really clicked the stuff Super did with him, too. His growth is so rewarding and it has nothing to do with 'winning fights'.
And for all of the obsession with characters losing I see from many fans, what I also forgot is that Dragon Ball uses loss as a springboard for character growth REALLY often. In these early fights, while characters lose, the ways they have grown despite losing is always emphasised. I think this is the issue with some of the stuff in the later story. It just sort of throws characters aside without even addressing them.
So while I was reading the 21st Tenkaichi Budokai I thought about how Vegeta lost to Moro in the Moro arc and how despite the loss, he succeeded in putting his pride aside to master a specific technique from a teacher instead of just generally sticking to his usual means/attacks (something he has never done, even if he trained with Goku and Whis) and it's that part that became essential in Moro's defeat. Vegeta 'lost' and was 'put on the side', but this growth became essential in defeating Moro.
Same goes for all of Gohan's losses in Super. His character arc wasn't about losing or winning. It was about stepping up when needed. And the only reason he has been out of action isn't because he is scared of fighting the enemy or scared of fighting in general, it's because he has other interests that aren't related to fighting.
Even if he loses or is 'humiliated', when the situation is truly dire, Gohan does step up.
Rereading this arc made me feel like so many people miss the entire point of the series by constantly complaining about how X character loses. This was always the case, but I forgot how strong of an actual in-story point this was to begin with, not just limited to Goku.
I've also been simultaneously rewatching the anime and I think I finally pinned down how I'd describe the difference between the two.
I think the Dragon Ball manga makes use of the medium it is in much better than the anime does being an anime. And this only makes sense considering the principles of wanting to keep up with the source material while it was running. It was never going to be consistent and well-paced because of that simple principle.
I think more creative ways of filler would've gone a long way. But I think it would've taken a pretty crazy effort to keep quality up for a long-runner like this.
Part of me wants the entire manga to simply be reanimated with much stronger overall vision instead of some truly stand-out episodes here and there, even. Not Kai, just a straight-up remake with like current OP anime's staff or divided into seasons.
As for Toriyama being super wacky and creative in the early stuff, I think those training chapters were good because of toning down the wackiness (a large portion of which amounted to Roshi being an insufferable creep). To me they were good because they explored the mindset of the characters.
Krillin and Goku mirror each other in a very solid way. There is this image early Dragon Ball has that it's just non-stop gags and wierd monsters, but that tournament was much more restrained than I remember it being. It was refreshing to not be bombarded with the 10th joke about molesting Bulma and the joke fights were either brief or had more point to them than just 'being wacky'. (The issue I take with Buy arc's 'insanity' – so much of it is mindless humour and mindless fights and I think the start is pretty good at doing both, too, so it stings more.)
At its core, the story of this arc was about friendly competition and becoming your best self in this really fun and wholesome way. And I think it's stronger than most of the stuff with 'stakes'. Goku was going to be absolutely fine whether he lost to Roshi or not.
I've always had this inherent excitement about whenever Goku discovers or uses a new technique and these chapters sort of reminded me why, too.
Because it's also rewarding to see Goku grow as a fighter. So much of the early stuff is literally 'Goku show' already, but I never minded that because I enjoy Goku being Goku. In fact, everyone else in the first arc border on intensely unlikeable, with most of the jokes ending up being about boobs (and hey even young Chichi isn't spared, what a likeable, 'wacky' cast).
I think the reason why Dragon Ball caught me when I was like 9-10 was that I didn't think much about the perverted jokes and found Goku's subversive naivete really likeable. He stood out among the cast. Little bits like calling coffee soup or pointing out Krillin has no nose or not caring about gender/appearance.
In a general sense, the story is kind of refreshing to visit for its clarity in script and panelling. I had a bunch of fun.
Part of me wants the entire manga to simply be reanimated with much stronger overall vision instead of some truly stand-out episodes here and there, even. Not Kai, just a straight-up remake with like current OP anime's staff or divided into seasons.
The Path to Power movie is likely the closest we'll ever get. It's sort of a condensed retelling of the first arc and Red Ribbon in a single movie. Last one to be drawn on cels.
Thee's just no motive for them to budget redoing that part when Z is the popular part… and moving the story forward and introducing new stuff is better for merchandise.
I don't need a reanimated version, but a OG Dragon Ball Kai would be really nice.
Only problem would be that I don't like Colleen Clinkenbeard as young Goku. I prefer Nadolny by quite a bit.
I know it seems unlikely considering moving forward with the material/maybe doing a Kai version for OG DB seem the more profitable and logical options but it would still be awesome.
Maybe like decades from now to celebrate the 50 year anniversary or something. Though I doubt that, too.
I forgot how happy this story made me as a kid. I actually made to before the 22nd tournament in the anime. The preliminaries.
I also forgot how awesome some of these fights were. Krillin vs Roshi was practically wiped from my memory. But I love that it spoofed the dramatic martial arts/anime trope of attacking your opponent and not actually seeing the attack and then Krillin and Roshi having to explain it.
Android 8 and Goku becoming friends was the sweetest thing. Ninja Murasaki and Tao are probably the best antagonists to come out of that arc. I like Korin and that Goku refused to take the easy way out there as consistency of learning the value of hard work and of course Bora and Upa and their story, too.
But the Baba tournament was a little more underwhelming. I completely forgot Puar and Upa got a fight there and that was cool, but everything else besides Goku Vs Gohan, I was pretty ehh about.
Of course Goku meeting his grandpa is still probably the most heartwarming moment in the story, but even as a kid I didn't see it as much of a mystery. In fact, even back then I don't think I found much of DB surprising. I remember calling everything.
The original reason why I got into the Dragon Ball is due the Z era stuff. But now days I mostly prefer, the Pre Z stuff. My top 2 favorite arcs of the series is from the Pre Z stuff. Which are the Red Ribbon Army and the 23rd World Tournament arcs.
I know, she was in one panel in the manga, but Colonel Violet was awesome. I really like the filler scenes in the anime with her backstabbing Commander Red, while Goku is on his rampage of the Red Ribbon Army HQ. Also the Red Ribbon Army arc have the introduction of my favorite Dragon Ball villain, Tao Pai Pai.
OG Dragonball doesn't really need the Kai treatment. Arcs weren't as long then so their filler mostly consisted of doing actually new material and new adventures, rather than padding out staredown for hours on end, or any of the stuff they had to do on Namek when Bulma was the only side character available.
[hide]Dragonball, when you remove the completely filler episodes, Like, the manga was 194 chapters, and the anime was 153 episodes. of which 21 were completely made up filler. 194 chapters into 132 episodes is roughly 1.46 chapters per episode.
Compare that to Z where it was 325 chapters and 291 episodes, of which 37 were total filler (mostly early training, Garlic Junior, and stuff at the end of Cell/star of Buu.) 325 chapters into 254 episodes is roughly 1.27 chapters per episode.
Then you have Kai, which was trimmed but still had a TON of filler mixed in. It was 167 episodes. 325 chapters means it ended up being 1.94 chapters per episode.
Sure, a Kai cut wouldn't hurt it, but it wouldn't help it quite as dramatically either, since the filler was less pace killing.
I mean, if Kai had REALLY wanted to cut ALL the fluff and hyper edit theyh might have been able to fit 2.5 or 3 chapters per episode (there's certainly fight supercuts on youtube) and at that scale you could probably cut it from 130 episodes to 100 if you trimmed ALL the fat, but what's even the point unless you're actually redoing it? Kai comparatively cut DBZ from 130 episodes to 84 (x2) and it wasn't even as edit intensive as it could have been..[/hide]
TLDR
Dragonball- 1.46 chapters per ep
DBZ-1.27 chapters per ep
DBZ Kai- 1.94 chapters per ep
Kai treatment wouldn't help Dragonball nearly as much as it did Z.
A remake of those first few arcs would be good but only if they're overseen by a good creator with a different perspective than Toriyama. I'd definitely like to see Kamatani Haruka or Ishitani Megumi as the series director with a nice female writer like Matsui Aya or Tsubota Fumi overseeing the series composition. Women had next to no influence over the creation of the 1986-1997 cartoons so I think if you really want to make a creatively fresh and worthwhile adaption you need to bring in people with different perspectives and priorities as creators and artists.
Dragon Ball Super chapter 76 summary that I can share with you :happy:
! _- The first pages are those that have been seen in the preview.
! Last Monite text in japanese is…
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This is one sloppy fight.
I'll fully judge when the chapter is out, but this feels like it takes away most of the interesting elements to this arc/fight.
! In the previous chapters, Vegeta had the excuse of teaching Granolah a lesson, but now he's just being an asshole to Goku and obsessed with winning again. I really hope context is more nuanced than that.
! On the other hand, I never minded new Bardock because to me the most Import aspect of Goku's character is that he is a low class warrior. He still bumped his head, Bardock's kindness was specific to Goku and DBS Broly removed the whole Goku being kind because of Gine element.
! But I really hope Bardock sparing them has a better reason than the most obvious one.
The setup is abysmal, but good could come out of this depending on execution.
I've been also continuing my OG DB manga read and losing is such a massive trend in the Red Ribbon arc and Baba's tournament it's really funny seeing people freak out over Vegeta losing so much.
There isn't a single fight Yamcha and Krillin either lose or aren't assisted in. Puar and Upa have a stronger track record than Krillin and Yamcha by the end of the Baba tournament.
But the key is that while Yamcha loses to Tenshinhan, we also see him use a freaking Kamehameha and Tien is an absolute asshole.
And Krillin also wins against Chaozu. Despite losses, they bounce back and improve in their own right.
Vegeta isn't some special case in this series. He really isn't.
I've breezed through like 50 chapters in a few hours at this point. Maybe it's because I already know what happens or how easy it is to read, but I'm 100% into it.
Other random observations:
-Goku did the Nappa thing with Mummy. Punching in the gut and he's down.
-I keep forgetting flying is actually considered a technique in itself.
-Climbing Korin tower was a couple of pages. I kind like the anime's take a little more here for taking its time.
-The trend of introducing random siblings was alive even back then. First Roshi and Baba and then Crane teacher and Tao.
-The Goku worship really takes off here. At this point I actually think the Z portion is better at the characters not praising every single thing he does than anything here. The enemies are amazed by him and the allies pretty much instantly like him. If I didn't know what comes next I'd criticise his character for some massive Gary Stu tendencies. He literally surpassed the world's best assassin in 3 days.
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Vegeta isn't some special case in this series. He really isn't.
The difference is Vegeta has been the co-lead for decades, and is actually put into basically every single fight, and is in theory treated as Goku's equal and defines himself based around that ideal… while everyone else long since accepted Goku was way stronger than they were. Yeah Yamcha and Krillin have terrible track records, but they haven't really tried since Namek. After Super Saiyan came in they became completely irrelevant.
And yet Vegeta never gets the win unless its an unimportant minion.
Aside from tournament settings, when was the last time he actually won a fight and actually saved the day? Never, he's always, ALWAYS just a stall for Goku in the end. Even when it SHOULD be his victory.
The difference is Vegeta has been the co-lead for decades, and is actually put into basically every single fight, and is in theory treated as Goku's equal and defines himself based around that ideal… while everyone else long since accepted Goku was way stronger than they were. Yeah Yamcha and Krillin have terrible track records, but they haven't really tried since Namek. After Super Saiyan came in they became completely irrelevant.
And yet Vegeta never gets the win unless its an unimportant minion.
Aside from tournament settings, when was the last time he actually won a fight and actually saved the day? Never, he's always, ALWAYS just a stall for Goku in the end. Even when it SHOULD be his victory.
Fukkatsu no F's ending is basically a parody at that moment.
Hey, Goku and Trunks have both killed Frieza, maybe the guy with an actual lifelong issue with him should get to defeat him once and for all… NOPE, he gets to fail to the point literal divine intervention has to come in and rewind time so Goku can steal it instead.
We are at the "metacreature says nope to Vegeta" point. He just doesn't have the rights to accomplish thing.
You know, if Yama'uchi had directed Fukkatsu no F I could have easily bought Vegeta defeating Freeza. However, Yamamuro's directing so so goddamned bad for the whole film that the ending somehow being hilarious in how it depicted Gokuu killing Freeza makes it, like, the one redeeming quality of the film.
God, I wish Nagamine had directed Movie #19, too. When he oversaw the Freeza recruitment episodes those things had some of the best and most palpable tension in the series.
Hey, Goku and Trunks have both killed Frieza, maybe the guy with an actual lifelong issue with him should get to defeat him once and for all… NOPE, he gets to fail to the point literal divine intervention has to come in and rewind time so Goku can steal it instead.
Well always have him allowing Gohan to turn Oozaru
Letting Cell become Perfect
Letting himself be powered up by Babidi
Incompetence and failure is Vegeta’s lot in life
I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting
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Well always have him allowing Gohan to turn Oozaru
He didn't ALLOW Gohan to turn into a giant monkey, that one surprised him when Gohan spontaneously regrew his tail. He actually knew that would be bad and tried to stop it.
That was an oversight, not an active allowing the enemy to do it because he was cocky.
The rest? Especially Cell, totally his fault.
The full chapter of DBS was in fact much better than the spoilers made it seem to me.
The only reason Vegeta is acting this way was to make a point to Granolah and try to use Ultra Ego, something he actually can't do because of his character growth.
I'm still iffy on the Bardock reveal because it feels like it is a pretty easy way out for this conflict, but at the same time maybe Bardock's reasoning will be more interesting than just the most obvious one that comes to mind?
I've now read all of the OG DB portion of the manga and I breezed past most of the Saiyan Saga a second time just for kicks.
What stood out to me the most was the amount of filler the OG DB portion had in the anime. I distinctly remember much more elaboration on the training portions of the King Piccolo saga and Goku's training with Kami especially.
And I think it was actually a pretty big bummer Goku just sort of got strong enough to defeat King Piccolo by just drinking the water. Hindsight can retcon it as a Zenkai boost because there's even a panel with the Oozaru behind Goku when he wakes up, but the victory against King Piccolo felt much weaker as a result.
One of the title pages essentially says it's because Toriyama fell ill, but it's a bummer nonetheless and I remember really liking the stuff on the lookout in the anime, too, but in the manga all of this was just a couple of pages. Now I have the anime to catch up on, so we'll see how that holds up.
On the other hand, while I also really like that the anime gives Piccolo's arc much more room to breathe and set in, the Saiyan saga is the first saga since the very first tournament of the series which actually shows the training and important character growth on screen, instead of mostly implying it.
Going back to King Piccolo arc a bit, King Piccolo killing Shenron is probably the first truly 'oh shit' moment in the series because there wasn't any safety net there. So it had as strong stakes as the series ever got to have. The problem is that the only interesting thing about King Piccolo was that he cared for his sons to some extent.
I can't help but feel more could've been done if Korin hadn't actually managed to stop Goku when Yajirobe carried him up the tower because a thread through the whole thing seemed to be not letting your feelings get the best of you. This also continued on to the Piccolo Jr fight.
But the King Piccolo arc was definitely the most wobbly in terms of my revisit.
Going from Piccolo Jr to Saiyan Saga truly is jarring. It feels like the tone changes in literally the span of a chapter. At one moment it's a fantasy story, the next it's sci-fi space opera and back when I first saw OG DB, I always thought Goku would be revealed to be a demon like Piccolo, but it ended up being aliens instead. It's still good and obviously there was still King Kai and other world and stuff, but it's a really sudden shift.
I also feel like the idea of Goku not being human was already floated around by King Piccolo. There were bits of characters wondering if he was human or not before then, but it felt like it became truly delibrate during that fight because it even has Goku remarking he might be not human because of his tail.
I think it's always neat to see this stuff in hindsight. The teen in me will forever be disappointed the story didn't continue with its more fantasy-inspired origins. That's why I'm always happy to see whenever the story does go back to that. Buu, Moro, Beerus and the Kais and Angels and stuff.
Having read these 230 chapters, I can happily say the Dragon Ball manga holds up for me. I do in fact like it. But it's still about 300 chapters left to fully judge.
New movie teaser trailer is out.
I like Pan's outfit is similar to Videl's outfit from the 25th World Tournament.
Pan's shirt says 'GTH' with a devil face on it…
...'Go to Hell'? Hell yeah!
Also looks like Gokuu is sparring with Broli! Happy to see my husband return for the series! It also seems like the Red Ribbon Army is involved...
Here is my Dragon Ball Super chapter 77 full summary that I can share with you
! _- Chapter 77: "Bardock, the father of Goku".
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Here is my Dragon Ball Super chapter 78 full summary that I can share with you.
! _- Chapter 78: “Gas’ wish”.
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And Dragon Ball Super Volume 17 too.
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This is something interesting if you watch Dragon ball Z in Japanese on Funimation site or app. It got the Dragon box footage, I checked out one of the Ginyu Force fight (Episode 67, which was Goku vs. Burter and Jeice). And it had the Dragon box footage. This is the first time I ever seen the Dragon box footage for an episode and it looks great.
Random comment.
I watched Goku doing the Meteor Combination from the fight with Piccolo. Cool scene especially with Goku using…..kicks. And hitting Piccolo with a Kamehameha.
So, apparently, someone remembered that Trunks and Goten are not supposed to look like 7 year olds anymore.
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AH so they're finally getting that Saiyan age 16 growth spurt. Good for them.
Also they're about to get a messed up fusion. The fingers are wrong.
I like that 18 got her end of Z hairstyle now for the movie.
Nice to see the boyfriends together again!
Wondering how much Broli will be in the film. It'll be cool if we get to see if he's with Cheelai or not. >_>
New trailer is out.
It looks good, and it seems they were not lying when they said Gohan and Piccolo would take center stage. Trailers point towards Goku, Broly and Vegeta being in a "fanservice" sparring fight, while Gohan and Piccolo will do the "dramatic" real fights. . .
. . .until wathever gets out of that mechanical pod easily defeats them and the big bois need to come and clean the mess.
Sorry, I can't be hopeful about Gohan and Piccolo being 100% the heroes of the movie. I just can't. I hope I'm proven wrong, though!
And this is a gripe of mine that will NEVER go away, but it drives me completely nuts cause I can't understand what's going on enymore.
Gohan going super saiyan does not make any sense.
In the manga he hasn't gone ss in ages, and even said "I'm gonna power up in a different direction, I'm not gonna go super saiyan again!". But that's the manga, so what about the anime? Well. . .I think he went ss2 for the last time while training with Piccolo, right? As soon as he unlocked the ultimate form, he's never touched ss again, am I right? Not against Goku, not during the tournament…
So why are we back to Gohan turning super saiyan? In the anime they literally went through the ladder of Gohan power (ss < ss2 < ultimate), so him powering up to turn super saiyan means he's weaker than in the tournament of power, I guess? Will they use the "oh, he stopped training" excuse. . . . .again? After he promised to NOT do that again? So he could protect his family? Like his daughter, who is kidnaped in this movie? Or will they use the "Toriyama forgot about that" excuse. . . .again? Like that trailer shot of the Battle of Gods movie that they redid afterwards?
It's so weird cause I don't see a single person talking about this, in fact most people are going all "Gohan looks BADASS!", and he does! But. . .why super saiyan, again?
I'm going crazy here, sorry.
I still don't understand why they';re doing this in CG. They're trying VERY HARD to make it look 2D animated but that just makes it even more pointless and like a video game cut scene.
Are there going to be some truly crazy impossible to animate shots making use of it? Or is it just… because? Not a fan.
I mean, it's pretty decent looking CG but its never going to look as strong as hand drawn when doing a very exaggerated hand drawn style.
So why are we back to Gohan turning super saiyan?
Because while Gohan's mystic form is awesome as all getout and is really great for the hardcore fans, it's not as iconic or visually signified as the hair turning blonde for the majority casual fans. It's great for US to go "yeah he's just alwys at full power, that's where his training took him" but for anyone else they'd just be asking "why isn't he turning super?"
Or the staff just forgot about that again like they originally did in Battle of Gods and had to recolor it after the original trailer.
Yeah, not fan of the CG style. I've only seen a handful of TV shows, movies, games, etc. that make the "anime style" look even halfway decent in 3D, but…eh, I guess Japan will figure it out eventually.
Also, are they just redoing the plot of Dead Zone?
It looks good, and it seems they were not lying when they said Gohan and Piccolo would take center stage. Trailers point towards Goku, Broly and Vegeta being in a "fanservice" sparring fight, while Gohan and Piccolo will do the "dramatic" real fights. . .
. . .until wathever gets out of that mechanical pod easily defeats them and the big bois need to come and clean the mess.Sorry, I can't be hopeful about Gohan and Piccolo being 100% the heroes of the movie. I just can't. I hope I'm proven wrong, though!
And this is a gripe of mine that will NEVER go away, but it drives me completely nuts cause I can't understand what's going on enymore.
Gohan going super saiyan does not make any sense.
In the manga he hasn't gone ss in ages, and even said "I'm gonna power up in a different direction, I'm not gonna go super saiyan again!". But that's the manga, so what about the anime? Well. . .I think he went ss2 for the last time while training with Piccolo, right? As soon as he unlocked the ultimate form, he's never touched ss again, am I right? Not against Goku, not during the tournament…
So why are we back to Gohan turning super saiyan? In the anime they literally went through the ladder of Gohan power (ss < ss2 < ultimate), so him powering up to turn super saiyan means he's weaker than in the tournament of power, I guess? Will they use the "oh, he stopped training" excuse. . . . .again? After he promised to NOT do that again? So he could protect his family? Like his daughter, who is kidnaped in this movie? Or will they use the "Toriyama forgot about that" excuse. . . .again? Like that trailer shot of the Battle of Gods movie that they redid afterwards?
It's so weird cause I don't see a single person talking about this, in fact most people are going all "Gohan looks BADASS!", and he does! But. . .why super saiyan, again?
I'm going crazy here, sorry.
I consider anything past the 42 as non canon fanservice entertainment. So I dont consider ssj god or blue as real things. And Gohan turning ssj is the same. It's all about getting that cool visual for some quick entertainement. And seeing Gohan transform llike everyone else is a cool visual. Regardless of it makes sense or not.
Where are Tien and Yamcha?
Nice to see that Cheelai and Yajirobe are going to be in the new movie. Now, we just missing Videl and Mr. Satan of being in the movie.
Where are Tien and Yamcha?
Ignoring Lunch and hanging out with Puar:ninja:
Also Gohan looks dumb wearing glasses in his Gi
I still don't understand why they';re doing this in CG. They're trying VERY HARD to make it look 2D animated but that just makes it even more pointless and like a video game cut scene.
Are there going to be some truly crazy impossible to animate shots making use of it? Or is it just… because? Not a fan.
I mean, it's pretty decent looking CG but its never going to look as strong as hand drawn when doing a very exaggerated hand drawn style.
Because while Gohan's mystic form is awesome as all getout and is really great for the hardcore fans, it's not as iconic or visually signified as the hair turning blonde for the majority casual fans. It's great for US to go "yeah he's just alwys at full power, that's where his training took him" but for anyone else they'd just be asking "why isn't he turning super?"
Or the staff just forgot about that again like they originally did in Battle of Gods and had to recolor it after the original trailer.
The studio has no available staff and producers want to reach the CG animation market because of how popular it is globally. They also likely want to push the industry towards cheaper and easier to produce CG so that it can replace hand drawn animation since it would–in the long run--mean less labor.
Basically, executives are greedy fuckers and while the actual staff of the movie might be artists they have little control of the film.
I do hope that we get fight scenes as good as the CG
scenes in the CG PreCure films, though.She/Her
The studio has no available staff and producers want to reach the CG animation market because of how popular it is globally.
But they're still making it look like 2D and Toriyama's stuff is so stylized it always looks weird in 3D unless they just really cheat the faces (see also Dragon Quest)… so what's the point?
But they're still making it look like 2D and Toriyama's stuff is so stylized it always looks weird in 3D unless they just really cheat the faces (see also Dragon Quest)… so what's the point?
Well, like I said, they don't have staff on hand, they wanted a movie as soon as possible and they wanted to advance their 3DCG capabilities. I legitimately don't think someone who cares about creating art (Hayashida? Someone above him?) made the decision to make this a 3DCG film.
I'd have preferred that they just wait to have available animators on hand myself but apparently that's not going to happen with the amount of resources they're pouring into One Piece, PreCure, World Trigger and Dai no Dai-Bouken. Sucks, but at least we might get some cool CG directing out of this film and an eventual remake for the TV series.
If they can make it look like DBZ: Kakarot animations, I don't mind. Such an eye candy. The trailer does not look as polished, though.
