@Count:
Let's not pretend that specific body parts can compensate for others now.
Most people compensate boobs with asses and I don't see anyone saying anything against it.
@Count:
Let's not pretend that specific body parts can compensate for others now.
Most people compensate boobs with asses and I don't see anyone saying anything against it.
Most people compensate boobs with asses and I don't see anyone saying anything against it.
That is always an awful shame to see, truly.
My anticipation for the payoff to the year of Sanji is steadily rising. I hope we're getting that moment where he's going to kick some major ass again soon after resolving himself, even better if in the process he schools the fools that are his brothers and father.
@Count:
That is always an awful shame to see, truly.
In reality, that is so true xD
Speaking about the matter, i miss Bleach in these times. Kubo had quite the talent to draw butts.
@Big:
So far, the Totland Arc has been in my opinion on par with Zou as the best arc after the time skip. The setting has been unique and freaky, Big Mom is a very interesting character with a beautifully crafted set of morals, we had a good twist with Pudding and there's still a feeling of uncertainness how this arc will be resolved with many questions still open.
What Oda did now regarding the handcuffs won't take away my enjoyment of the arc, but it maybe will leave a mark on it.
The main problem I have with this is the casual "Oh-and-by-the-way"-style in which it was revealed. I think Oda took a wrong narrative choice in here, especially in conjunction with Reiju's encouraging words. It would have been a superior option in my opinion to let Sanji hang a little bit longer in his personal Trauma Conga Line. Would have kept the reader guessing in a positive way, instead of sacrificing the grim outlook we had at the end of 851 for a quick solution. The general tone, especially of the end, is far too enthusiastic. It just drains away some of the tension. This is all the more disappointing because this arc had some interesting choices especially regarding the outline. Up to this point, Oda managed to keep alive a mysterious tone, some kind of a big question mark how all this will eventually be resolved. For instance, we won't have something like this in Wano. The moment we set foot in Wano we will know, that even if Wano will be even longer than Dressrosa, the Beast Pirates will finally be defeated in a huge battle. The general outline will be clear from the bginning. This is something which is at least a little bit different in this arc. It would have been in the reader's interest IMO to keep us guessing about as much as possible for as long as possible. If the handcuffs are fake (taking away some of the threat level) and Reiju being Sanji's "Ray of light" again, why not reveal it only at the height of the wedding?
And now I feel a little bit like a professional nagger. Am I too harsh?
What? Chapter after chapter has been depressing and digging Sanji into a deeper pit of despair that Oda wanted the readers to sympathize with. Sanji literally ended the year on a garbage note with 851. Now the actual year of Sanji has begun and it's time for the turnaround. With the Red Wedding on things are still grim, but Luffy is the real ray of hope and now he's free. All I'm looking forward to is that first meal Sanji cooks for Luffy
What? Chapter after chapter has been depressing and digging Sanji into a deeper pit of despair that Oda wanted the readers to sympathize with. Sanji literally ended the year on a garbage note with 851. Now the actual year of Sanji has begun and it's time for the turnaround. With the Red Wedding on things are still grim, but Luffy is the real ray of hope and now he's free. All I'm looking forward to is that first meal Sanji cooks for Luffy
Black's issue is that the tension wasn't given enough time to feel relevant and showcase an effect on Sanji. We pretty much went right from Sanji losing all hope to gaining some of it back the next chapter without exploring what his character would do or feel in such a state. Which would properly give credit to the effect such traumatic events have on characters, which would enhance how inspiring it would be to see Sanji overcome it after seeing him suffer from such feelings. Just because we had so much time showing Sanji sink into despair doesn't mean we shouldn't dedicate some time to see how he copes with finally reaching the bottom of the rabbit hole. The fact that it gets solved so quickly can reasonably feel underwhelming since his some of his major problems got solved in such a handwaving fashion immediately.
Smoothie covers right eye with hair, just like sanji. She is also from long leg tribe and sanji is leg fighter.
If that '' can't fight girls'' was not in the way, I could bet smoothie is sanji's enemy this arc.
Oh so when Big Mom goes for Judge, he will Reiju Wall himself getting people triggered.
@Count:
We pretty much went right from Sanji losing all hope to gaining some of it back the next chapter without exploring what his character would do or feel in such a state. Which would properly give credit to the effect such traumatic events have on characters, which would enhance how inspiring it would be to see Sanji overcome it after seeing him suffer from such feelings.
Truth be told, I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand I agree that the resolution felt far too sudden and far too easy, on the other hand I don't know how much I would have enjoyed another chapter with a tearful Sanji vainly trying to light his dog-end while mulling dark thoughts. Maybe showing a slowly growing resolve instead, or flashbacks of memories that help him get back to his senses, I don't know.
As for the resolution of both threats, I am hoping that this is not the last we'll hear of the Baratie. Regardless of what Reiju says, anyone in the future could use a similar blackmail so at the very least I would want for Sanji to take measures once this is all over
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! Not trying to jump into this discussion, but I'm throwing this here:! http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/652/3
Here Jinbe says "it is made of verbal agreement alone". I took it as her "word" alone in not that trust worthy.
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Just not Reiju. :ninja:
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Not trying to jump into this discussion, but I'm throwing this here:
! http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/652/3
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Here Jinbe says "it is made of verbal agreement alone". I took it as her "word" alone in not that trust worthy.
Considering how Jimbei makes a big deal about emphasizing how cutting them off is what makes deals dangerous, that only serves to credit Big Mom for how much she has been established to take her deals seriously. And I don't really see how anything changes both character or story-wise if Big Mom waved around a signed contract whenever she made an alliance, as if a piece of paper makes her more trustworthy. If anything, that would just leave room for more loopholes to exploit from explicit text. And since Jimbei mentioned wine cups being shared, that automatically draws relations to the Grand Fleet declaring to be Luffy's subordinates because they want to and Luffy, Ace, and Sabo promising to be brothers. Which Oda has clearly established to have a lot of figurative investment and weight despite mainly just being verbal agreements like Jimbei stated. All your page supports is how in a series as symbolic like One Piece, deals like this should be given more credit for how sensitive and how much investment characters place into them.
@uniaka:
Smoothie covers right eye with hair, just like sanji. She is also from long leg tribe and sanji is leg fighter.
If that '' can't fight girls'' was not in the way, I could bet smoothie is sanji's enemy this arc.
Even if he were to fight her, he'd get his ass handed to him badly. Nothing to suggest he can take on Big Mom's Top 3 lieutenants, let alone someone with a 900 Million bounty on them…
@Count:
lots of stuffl.
I just want to correct something you may have misunderstood. I never said that Big Mom learned that Judge plans to take Pudding hostage and kind of betray the deal and then acted upon that. I said that Mom already knew beforehand, thanks to her intelligence network who she was dealing with and planned the whole thing to be a massacre from the get go (the whole Totto Land intro song, with the "devilish sacrifice" and whatnot. We thought it would be Luffy back then. Turns out it's the Vinsmokes.)
Plus, I don't think her twisted morality was as firmly established as you say. I look at her selfishness as her main driving force. She says a pirate should be free to do whatever they want, so she does things in whatever way she wants. When she was complaining about Lola, Luffy even told her "hey, Lola was the one who didn't want to get married but YOU were the one who wasn't able to become pirate king!" That speaks volumes about how Big Mom just wants to have things go HER way and only tolerates her family's antics as long as they don't harm her plans. Otherwise, I'm sorry you're not fond of this development, but the arc still has quite a few plotlines hanging and I hope it concludes as well as it began. Definitely one of the top arcs in the series for me, in certain points.
What's with judge and wars? He seems to like wars for some reason. So much that he wanted to turn his family into war machines without emotions. He was with vegapunk, he is scientist, has dream to rule over north blue, but I just can't see where the love for wars comes from.
@uniaka:
What's with judge and wars? He seems to like wars for some reason. So much that he wanted to turn his family into war machines without emotions. He was with vegapunk, he is scientist, has dream to rule over north blue, but I just can't see where the love for wars comes from.
It's because of his dream to take over North Blue. He can't take it over without waging war, and to do that he needs to build a massive and elite military.
Question: has anyone picked up on the fact that the Vinsmoke mother's name was translated as "Sola" by mangastream? Reason I ask is that the hero from the comic strip who constantly stopped Germa's plans was named Sora
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Question: has anyone picked up on the fact that the Vinsmoke mother's name was translated as "Sola" by mangastream? Reason I ask is that the hero from the comic strip who constantly stopped Germa's plans was named Sora
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Yeah it's the exact same name; Mangastream was likely just going out of their way to make her name sound feminine (like Reige). Though it's not as bad as things like Trafalgar D. Watel Law
The line about Reiju not being able to disobey Judge's orders seems a little sloppy when she says she DID disobey him a few panels later.
I agree with most that maybe she technically followed the order to put the bracelets on Sanji, but I don't like the idea that she has no free will when it comes to Judge. I'd hate to see her used as a wall when Sanji inevitably beats him down.
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The line about Reiju not being able to disobey Judge's orders seems a little sloppy when she says she DID disobey him a few panels later.
I agree with most that maybe she technically followed the order to put the bracelets on Sanji, but I don't like the idea that she has no free will when it comes to Judge. I'd hate to see her used as a wall when Sanji inevitably beats him down.
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Well, doesn't need to be sloppy. There's a difference between Judge saying:"Reiju, put explosive bracelets on Sanji's hands!" and him expecting Reiju will put them on Sanji after having a short discussion.
That's what I took from it. She can do whatever the hell she wants but direct and specific orders from Judge are absolute.
Best not to think too deeply about it, though.
@Count:
That is always an awful shame to see, truly.
Boobs are nothing more than fake asses.
@Count:
Black's issue is that the tension wasn't given enough time to feel relevant and showcase an effect on Sanji. We pretty much went right from Sanji losing all hope to gaining some of it back the next chapter without exploring what his character would do or feel in such a state. Which would properly give credit to the effect such traumatic events have on characters, which would enhance how inspiring it would be to see Sanji overcome it after seeing him suffer from such feelings. Just because we had so much time showing Sanji sink into despair doesn't mean we shouldn't dedicate some time to see how he copes with finally reaching the bottom of the rabbit hole. The fact that it gets solved so quickly can reasonably feel underwhelming since his some of his major problems got solved in such a handwaving fashion immediately.
I agree and as well totally don't like how all of a sudden the handcuff plotpoint got resolved. Whereas the Baratie situation still is delicate considering we don't know enough right now to properly judge how Big Mom deals with her promises (which, of course, is another BIG can of worms), I just don't get why the cuff threat just got removed that easily.
It just feels like it totally cheapens the payoff we will get when Sanji actually overcomes all that stuff.
The line about Reiju not being able to disobey Judge's orders seems a little sloppy when she says she DID disobey him a few panels later.
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Well, doesn't need to be sloppy. There's a difference between Judge saying:"Reiju, put explosive bracelets on Sanji's hands!" and him expecting Reiju will put them on Sanji after having a short discussion.
That's what I took from it. She can do whatever the hell she wants but direct and specific orders from Judge are absolute.
Best not to think too deeply about it, though.
What if it is just a mistranslation? I think I read a translation where she says: she "couldn't" disobey Judge, not that she "can't" disobey him. I think I read that in Yonko's version.
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So much more clear in yonko's version
It makes more sense reiju is saying shes an accomplice rather than Literally cant disobey an order.
@Long:
So much more clear in yonko's version
It makes more sense reiju is saying shes an accomplice rather than Literally cant disobey an order.
Pfft, it's like they are half winging it at MS.
Jeez Yonko translation is way different it's not even funny.
So sanji's mom is naval hero of the marines? Second hero title in the marines next to garp, luffy's grandpa.
But why is she fighting her kids in vito's flashback, and didn't she die when they are kids? They look adults in that flashback.
@Count:
You literally just admitted that Big Mom's personality before the Vinsmoke betrayal reveal gave off huge signs of valuing negotiations and the like by sticking to her word. It goes without saying she's corrupt, kills people, and destroys territories. But everything up until the recent reveal nicely fit into her explicitly stated philosophies about valuing selfish ambitions in other people as a definition of piracy (which Luffy also shares, but obviously executes differently). As well as people reacting surprisingly to how he she is able to be persuaded to hear people about and act lenient (by villain standards) towards them.
Yes, it's not a binding agreement. There aren't even any contracts, it's just verbal. But that doesn't mean it doesn't hold weight and hasn't been portrayed consistently with at least five on-panel deals shown to give her personality and grey ethics credibility. Not to mention Jimbei and Pekoms, two altruistic characters who have become friends with Luffy and care very much about their homelands, going to her for support/protection as allies/crewmates. It's just a disappointing reveal after plenty of arc villains before pull the same sort of facade, like Arlong promising Nami that he would sell Cocoyasi Village to her only to have the Marines steal all of her cash and treasure. And at least then, we had absolutely no build-up to believe Arlong would be willing to give his word since we only saw him do one terrible act after another, in contrast to how mixed Big Mom is form acting corrupt and showing somewhat redeemable traits as a character time and time again to demonstrate her character complexity.
And the Tea Party sacrifice song is laced in direct juxtaposition to mentioning how she can't wait for Straw Hat to arrive. So if anything, Luffy was most likely the "sacrifice" she was looking forward to narratively before Sanji made the deal with her to spare them. Also, Sanji already knew the Enraged Army was coming, and Big Mom told Luffy that if he gave up on Sanji, she would have let him go. Of course she's not going to honor the agreement if Luffy found some means of escaping and messing up the wedding, because the whole point of her making that agreement to Sanji was to have the wedding proceed smoothly. And the Opera torture option happened after the reveal, where it was already expressed that Big Mom can act deceitful.
It's just understandably disappointing for plenty of people to see Big Mom's integrity as a villain somewhat compromised. Just because a character is crazy or oppressive doesn't mean they can't have their own standards and beliefs. That's what makes unconventional antagonists who aren't completely evil for the sake of being evil so interesting throughout all of fiction. Especially when such characteristics are often the highlight of their role as an antagonist and dichotomy compared to the protagonist when it comes to seeing how the hero overcomes such overwhelming odds and beats the villain at their own game to show the flaws in their logic. When you show that a villain is willing let go of such integrity, that pretty much makes the narrative say that such standards are ridiculous and that the villain is bad, not because of their warped logic, but just because they're a jerk. That can admittedly often work with characters like Arlong, but it can also destroy a character's quality if this has been portrayed as a prominently consistent trait as it has been with Big Mom. Which can be pretty underwhelming to see when they seemed so interesting and unique both narratively and characterization-wise beforehand.
From a mental illness that is hinted to cause effects of amnesia if you read her quotes of asking Jimbei about what just happened, and Jimbei lying about it. Seriously, I don't get how people overlook how weird that is, as well as the Charlotte children hiding Moscato's body as quickly as possible. without remorse.
If you dont think pudding is betraying big mom why did she tie up that soldier?
Right here https://yonkouprod.com/reader/read/one-piece/en/0/852/page/4
To me big mom doesnt want them dead but just their tech and the killing of them is part of capone/reiju's plans. Because honestly it dpesnt make sense here and the only wprd about big mom dping this is from pudding who isnt that trustworthy obviously
@Long:
If you dont think pudding is betraying big mom why did she tie up that soldier?
Right here https://yonkouprod.com/reader/read/one-piece/en/0/852/page/4
To me big mom doesnt want them dead but just their tech and the killing of them is part of capone/reiju's plans. Because honestly it dpesnt make sense here and the only wprd about big mom dping this is from pudding who isnt that trustworthy obviously
Sanji tied him up.
He was fine before the doctor left.
Sanji tied him up.
He was fine before the doctor left.
Oh I thought that was the same one from the memory being tied up. Still suspicious of pudding and how far her goals differ from her mom
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I certainly think there's more to Pudding, but this chapter doesn't change much.
Though Yonko trans makes it sound like Reiju wasn't suspect of Pudding like the mangastream does.
@Long:
Oh I thought that was the same one from the memory being tied up. Still suspicious of pudding and how far her goals differ from her mom
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Im with Count on the Big Mom's motives for killing all the vin smokes being a bit hazy and that if it was that she knew from the beginning then i feel like it would have been on panel and been one of those things that the reader knows for the entire arc but isn't revealed to the latter part of it. To me at least it would make sense if Pudding was trying to break up the wedding and get away but then I don't see why she would have wiped Reiju's memory.
Anyway I'm kinda getting tired of this arc (even though I like it a lot) cutting corners. Seems like Oda is in a rush to get to Wano. Which is understandable but there are things in this arc that just aren't fully developed like the Cracker fight, Reiju's explanation, and even some of the other storylines skipping around so much (Bropper, stealth mission) I would have rather had a longer arc that was more developed.
I'm just waiting for Sanji be redeemed in full.
I certainly think there's more to Pudding, but this chapter doesn't change much.
Though Yonko trans makes it sound like Reiju wasn't suspect of Pudding like the mangastream does.
But it makes sense that she suspected Pudding before, that's why she went sniffing around and got caught by Pudding. Or else the entire scene with Pudding revealing herself is just dumb af…
But it makes sense that she suspected Pudding before, that's why she went sniffing around and got caught by Pudding. Or else the entire scene with Pudding revealing herself is just dumb af…
I'm just saying that what Yonko translation says, let's wait for the official translation till then.
Or maybe Yonko can comment.
I just want to correct something you may have misunderstood. I never said that Big Mom learned that Judge plans to take Pudding hostage and kind of betray the deal and then acted upon that. I said that Mom already knew beforehand, thanks to her intelligence network who she was dealing with and planned the whole thing to be a massacre from the get go (the whole Totto Land intro song, with the "devilish sacrifice" and whatnot. We thought it would be Luffy back then. Turns out it's the Vinsmokes.)
Plus, I don't think her twisted morality was as firmly established as you say. I look at her selfishness as her main driving force. She says a pirate should be free to do whatever they want, so she does things in whatever way she wants. When she was complaining about Lola, Luffy even told her "hey, Lola was the one who didn't want to get married but YOU were the one who wasn't able to become pirate king!" That speaks volumes about how Big Mom just wants to have things go HER way and only tolerates her family's antics as long as they don't harm her plans. Otherwise, I'm sorry you're not fond of this development, but the arc still has quite a few plotlines hanging and I hope it concludes as well as it began. Definitely one of the top arcs in the series for me, in certain points.
I already talked about what you're saying about that though. I said that the only way for a divide between the Charlottes and Vinsmokes to be satisfying is it's at least somewhat built-up on panel before the betrayal twist occurs. Having Big Mom know that the Vinsmokes are unfavorable to ally with off-panel through her info network would feel really cheap. It worked with the Straw Hats because it served to outline the premise of the arc having them be hunted down by the Big Mom Pirates. But for a major insightful twist later on down the road, it's just a cheap way for an author to wave away convincing on-panel build up that would take creative effort and properly invest the audience. To have twists make sense, you have to subtly build them up in some way. Not push the build-up all the way to the side where nobody can see and pretend that the audience only cares about seeing the destination then getting invested int he suspenseful journey that keeps them guessing.
Let me offer you an example of this type of plot dynamic in explaining why Chopper and Carrot's Mirror World adventures never resonated with me. Because rather than dedicate even half a chapter more to showing off the Mirror World and building up Brulee's interactions (as well as Randolph, Diesel, and Aristocroc from being one-shotted fodder with cool designs that offer nothing else personality/interaction-wise) with Chopper and Carrot not just as a joke but as an actual threat so we can take their later capture situation seriously, as well as seeing the infrastructure of the Mirror World and Brulee's kitchen, we just switch between Chopper and Carrot entering the Mirror World, a brief glimpse of them being chased by Brûlée, a brief glimpse of them being held captive in a stew kitchen where the other Big Mom Pirates show up out of nowhere, and then Chopper's plan gets executed without any convincing build-up besides him generically saying he has a plan. If we actually had a bit of panel time dedicated to having these members' personality and intimidating strength fleshed out, Chopper evaluating his surroundings to get immersed in how he takes advantage of a situation as it's also being revealed to us, and Carrot finding her way into the attic or at least Oda highlighting that there's even an attic to begin with (as well as another mirror clone of Carrot around), then Chopper's plan working would have been a LOT more memorable and credible to his character.
But because Oda decided all of that potential was apparently uninteresting compared to showing the Cracker fight (which didn't even get enough compelling panel time in itself also when it came to Nami learning to use rain against him!) and Vinsmoke shenanigans, as if adding a mere chapter or two AT MOST to the arc would have apparently been dragging it out or something lol, then all I see is the Big Mom Pirates being brainless fodder mooks from their lack of being showcased as interesting or intimidating to properly give credibility to the severity of Chopper's situation rather than it being treated like a comedic sideshow, and getting an impression that Chopper's a smart guy. But instead of seeing WHY Chopper's a smart guy, all I get are neon signs from Oda screaming "Hey, please like Chopper! Isn't he so cool even though I've not dedicating any time to show why? Just believe me because I'm telling you!" And needless to say, I'm not a fan of a character's capabilities only being told and never shown, because that's just a cheap misapplication of providing your story in a visual medium like a comic book. All the pieces were literally there, but that doesn't mean it's satisfying to go from having them all scattered and then rushing to immediately show them all put together.
I even have this same opinion of pretty much all of Brook's scenes too, even though seeing him take advantage of his soul powers and giving that epic speech to Big Mom were certainly awesome to see. Because wouldn't have, say, his speech been more impactful if we actually saw more of his encounter with Big Mom and see him actually get thrashed around a bit, but still showcase his faith in his friends/plans by seeing him still stand up afterwards in a similar style to how beat up and courageous Usopp was in his fight with Mr. 4 and Miss Merry Christmas in Alabasta? But instead, similar to Chopper's situation, we only get rushed snippets that are just Oda visually proclaiming "Hey, this character's so cool, right!" without properly immersing us by seeing the how or why. It's all just a superficial cool factor that people praise while I'm in the corner just muttering "meh" from lack of satisfaction.
And that is PRECISELY the type of reaction I would also have towards a reveal of Big Mom hating the Vinsmokes with the only evidence being off-panel. I hope you understand what I'm saying.
Also, regardless of who the song was building up, only having that scene doesn't make a Vinsmoke betrayal ethically or logically convincing to get immersed into. Any author could just drop one or two extremely minor footnotes in the story that are so generic and minuscule in the grand scheme of things and the pull any twist they want and say "See, I planned this all out because of those one or two extremely forgettable minor details that you couldn't have possibly deciphered any hints of decipherable meaning from!" That doesn't mean the levity of such a twist is properly conveyed to fit into the situation in an unexpected, but tidy fashion while still maintaining an audience's suspension of disbelief. You can't just plant the seeds, you also have to convincingly show how they had the time, water, and sunlight to grow into the flowers that are meant to dazzle whoever visits your garden. Unless you're going for a superficial cool factor, which is a phrase I've been repeating for some time for a reason. Yeah, the Vinsmokes' demise might have been teased there. That doesn't mean the build-up of credibility towards why Big Mom would want such a thing in contrast to everything else we've seen with her character is convincing. At all, personally.
Luffy's selfishness is also his driving force. And he has encouraged lots of people to selfishly embrace their dreams and freedom. That doesn't mean he automatically supports doing whatever he wants no matter the cost, even if it means killing other people like Blackbeard does. All the Lola situation affirmed was two things. How seriously she took that political marriage (which could feed into the only somewhat reasonable possibility for Big Mom's actions that I've read thus far in Big Mom wanting the clone technology without any potential risks after her past failure at gaining power), and how reliant she is on manipulating her family without their consent. That instance doesn't prove that Big Mom, as desperate as she may be to have things her way, would go and accomplish them in ANY WAY SHE SEES FIT. There's an apparent difference. Just because she treats her family as expendable does not mean it convincingly accredits her suddenly making her promised alliances expendable as well without proper build-up.
This arc is the same way for me. And I know it's not done yet, and we've still yet to see the inevitable Charlotte Family/Lola flashback. But that doesn't mean it's okay to rely on a flashback to explain everything that goes on and not hold past chapters responsible for suspense fully keeping our immersion intact and find the present situation logical enough to still follow. Because if that's the case, then why should I bother getting invested in anything until the arc's pretty much over lol? For a future twist, even a flashback, to be convincing conceptually and in execution, you also need compelling build-up. I hope you understand me more. If you want to discuss this more, we could do it through PMs or something. Because I'm sure everyone is sick of my Big Mom ranting.
Boobs are nothing more than fake asses.
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@Long:
If you dont think pudding is betraying big mom why did she tie up that soldier?
Right here https://yonkouprod.com/reader/read/one-piece/en/0/852/page/4
To me big mom doesnt want them dead but just their tech and the killing of them is part of capone/reiju's plans. Because honestly it dpesnt make sense here and the only wprd about big mom dping this is from pudding who isnt that trustworthy obviously
I never said that I'm not suspicious of Pudding betraying Big Mom. It's just that I've been somewhat convinced that Big Mom is also in on betraying the Vinsmokes and may have ordered Pudding to do everything she's done thus far. That doesn't mean Pudding still can't be manipulating Big Mom behind the scenes with her memory powers and acting to give Big Mom this type of mindset in the first place. I still don't see what Pudding gains from lying to someone whose memories she's about to erase. Such a twist would only be convincing if we only saw her reveal the murder plan to Luffy and Nami, who are active factors that could escape later on and play into Pudding's plans.
I certainly think there's more to Pudding, but this chapter doesn't change much.
Though Yonko trans makes it sound like Reiju wasn't suspect of Pudding like the mangastream does.
The one thing this chapter might have suggested about Pudding having some other agenda comes from Smoothie. We now know that Mom's troops are very worried about anything messing with the wedding, to the point that they're actually cutting Mom off from information about the chaos. Pudding's choice to tell Luffy and Nami about the plan as fiendishly as possible might have been part of a plot to get them to go all out to escape and wreak havoc. That could have outraged Mom to the point that she loses it, wrecking the wedding or giving her/Capone/whoever a chance to take advantage of the craziness.
@Count:
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No need to keep the discussion going. I completely agree with you on the Mirror World situation. It's typical post-Marineford storytelling and I'm not quite sure why Oda keeps doing it in an arc that (thankfully) is not cluttered with 100 different plotlines like Dressrosa was. This arc has all the pieces and potential there, but sometimes it seems Oda keeps reverting to this habit of only showing snipets of stuff. While the conclusion to Chopper and Carrot's side was very cool… it really came out of nowhere. Yeah, we could infer how things became like that, but seeing something like 5 pages between their entrance in the Mirror World and their victory did not help us get the satisfaction we should have gotten at all. As for Brook and Cracker, again, I understand, but I don't feel like they needed much more. Especially Cracker. It was a fight almost simply for the sake of fighting, showing how Luffy compares to an Emperor's top commander, pace Luffy's progression towards Sanji, and make him tired so that by the time he fought Sanji, the situation seemed even more cruel. A bit more scenes would have been better, but it was not needed in my opinion. A similar thing for Brook. A few more panels of his story would be nice, but what can they show other than him getting beaten up?
In the end, I get where you're coming from, I do not enjoy the skipping and rushing storytelling that Oda has adopted for quite a while now, but I think it hasn't been significantly harming the current arc (except for Chopper and Carrot, which especially hurts me as a Chopper fanboy. Even in Punk Hazard he had more protagonism and development than in Totto Land :sad: ). And this applies to the Vinsmoke massacre twist as well. I say we leave the discussion here, at least before the arc progresses a bit more. Who knows, Pudding could be lying (although I really doubt it and will call bullshit on it if it happens).
No need to keep the discussion going.
Sweet, I've long since been sick of it lol.
I completely agree with you on the Mirror World situation. It's typical post-Marineford storytelling and I'm not quite sure why Oda keeps doing it in an arc that (thankfully) is not cluttered with 100 different plotlines like Dressrosa was. This arc has all the pieces and potential there, but sometimes it seems Oda keeps reverting to this habit of only showing snipets of stuff. While the conclusion to Chopper and Carrot's side was very cool… it really came out of nowhere. Yeah, we could infer how things became like that, but seeing something like 5 pages between their entrance in the Mirror World and their victory did not help us get the satisfaction we should have gotten at all.
Yep, that's pretty much what I said. And the worst part is that when people sometimes make this complain, they might get accused of wanting the arc to be almost along as Dressrosa or something. As if showing the Mirror World antics more in a chapter or two would have that effect lol. The conclusion was cool, but it would have been much more invested in seeing how it all came together.
As for Brook and Cracker, again, I understand, but I don't feel like they needed much more. Especially Cracker. It was a fight almost simply for the sake of fighting, showing how Luffy compares to an Emperor's top commander, pace Luffy's progression towards Sanji, and make him tired so that by the time he fought Sanji, the situation seemed even more cruel. A bit more scenes would have been better, but it was not needed in my opinion. A similar thing for Brook. A few more panels of his story would be nice, but what can they show other than him getting beaten up?
Oh, they DEFINITELY didn't need much more. Honestly, just one or two pages for each of those plot lines would have been completely satisfactory. Showcase Brook standing his ground against Big Mom's wrath visually rather than just through text (we already saw Big Mom rampage through Sweet City, so it's not like Oda has that much left to hide about how she fights), which is literally what you said lol. And have a moment or two dedicated to Nami learning that her rain is effective against Cracker's armor than skipping that to give the reader an impression of Oda saying "Yeah, water makes tough crackers damp and softer. You didn't figure that out on your own? lol." It would give more credit to Nami by showcasing a nice moment of how resourceful she can be. In fact seeing Nami build up the will to stand alongside Luffy against a freaking Sweet Commander in general when she's normally a coward would have been pleasant to see (not that I want her to run away like Usopp in Dressrosa lol, but just some introspection on her having faith in Luffy and her own capabilities to overcome the odds and get Sanji back (even remembering a quick glimpse of how Sanji helped her out in Arlong Park) would have been nice). Honestly, I kind of find Nami's character lacking so far in this arc so far compared to Brook and Chopper, despite the major connections she has to Lola and Big Mom's weather powers. But that will probably get fixed later on. Hopefully.
But it's Chopper that really suffered out of all the Straw Hats this arc panel time-wise, I think we can agree on that.
In the end, I get where you're coming from, I do not enjoy the skipping and rushing storytelling that Oda has adopted for quite a while now, but I think it hasn't been significantly harming the current arc (except for Chopper and Carrot, which especially hurts me as a Chopper fanboy. Even in Punk Hazard he had more protagonism and development than in Totto Land :sad: ). And this applies to the Vinsmoke massacre twist as well. I say we leave the discussion here, at least before the arc progresses a bit more. Who knows, Pudding could be lying (although I really doubt it and will call bullshit on it if it happens).
Yeah, it's not a significant issues. They'll still leave a mark at the end of the day, but not a major stain that will make me say this arc had as many flaws as every other post-timeskip arc lol.
Get ready for Pudding to be pulling the film strip strings behind Big Mom's actions and hatred of Lola. That memory Devil Fruit reeks of convoluted just according to keikaku content.
Actually, I think the pacing in this chapter was more into slow than quick.
Actually, I think the pacing in this chapter was more into slow than quick.
It was, but we were talking about past chapters though. I expect things to ramp back up now that Luffy is back in action and we got Sora's identity out of the way.
Hmm, doesn't the first prisoner released from the book look kind of like dr. Hogback from thriller bark? Probably nothing, just noting it.
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@Bartholemew:
I agree and as well totally don't like how all of a sudden the handcuff plotpoint got resolved. Whereas the Baratie situation still is delicate considering we don't know enough right now to properly judge how Big Mom deals with her promises (which, of course, is another BIG can of worms), I just don't get why the cuff threat just got removed that easily.
It just feels like it totally cheapens the payoff we will get when Sanji actually overcomes all that stuff.
I think it was Oda throwing us a bone after betrayal after beating after imprisoning. It was that nice bit of fluff that firmly plants us in the next stage of the arc and serves as an emotional pick-me-up. Also, symbolically, of course you probably already know this but it's another way of Reiju telling Sanji he's free.
I liked it. I like things being hard, but man, they've been pretty brutal. Which is appropriate. But again, just happy that we're at the counterattack point.
But yes, the handcuffs could easily have never existed. Sanji already had strong mental chains.
….Okay then.. so..
Why cant Smoothie herself go downstairs and finish luffy off?
Incompetence.
@Vasco:
….Okay then.. so..
Why cant Smoothie herself go downstairs and finish luffy off?
Incompetence.
I suppose it's to cover Big Mom. You can't leave your queen unprotected. Protecting the contents of the treasure room is one of the highest priorities. Just look at what happened when Pedro decided to act as a diversion to split up attention. Brook got himself locked into the Poneglyph room (I think).
maybe Oda originally planned to have Luffy remove the handcuffs like Rayleigh, but then decided against it as it would drag the story even longer
maybe Oda originally planned to have Luffy remove the handcuffs like Rayleigh, but then decided against it as it would drag the story even longer
Luffy removing the handcuffs like you described it wouldn't even take half a page.
Who knows if oda will ever use that again, it didn't make much sense anyway.
On the bright side, we can hope to see Judge try to blow up Sanji's hands at the wedding and express an Enel face when he realizes that his son is wearing duds.
@Count:
On the bright side, we can hope to see Judge try to blow up Sanji's hands at the wedding and express an Enel face when he realizes that his son is wearing duds.
BM has the keys, so she can try to blow him up. But I don't think judge can worry about sanji much even if he had the keys. If pudding is the one that is going to shoot sanji, I Wonder what person has the mission to point the gun at judge and kill him. Bm? smoothie? potato starch?
There is that Wall of soldiers that seems like vinsmokes signature move, fits well to protect them from the bullets, will that be the way they get saved?
@Count:
On the bright side, we can hope to see Judge try to blow up Sanji's hands at the wedding and express an Enel face when he realizes that his son is wearing duds.
No way that marriage is happenning. Luffy is already wrecking havock so there's no way to contain the climax for a good 12 hours to make the marriage happen.