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    • joekido the Second
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      Well since I could not find a similar thread, I decided to post this not because I think it's such a big deal but I want to see what everyone thinks of Universal's poor attempt to create their own cinematic universe.
      Let me explain what Dark Universe is. Since Marvel was successful with their cinematic universe, other studios tried to copy Marvel, believing they could make so much money from it but some like Warner Bros/DC has failed at that. Universal however wanted that success and since they don't have their own superheroes, they decided to try to use monsters they were famous for. But I must say that Universal already did a shared universe with their monsters back in the 30's to the 50's and it was Universal's idea that inspire MCU and other shared universe movie such as Jason Vs. Freddy.
      So Universal wanted to reboot every classic Universal monsters, never mind they already released Van Helsing in 2004, Wolf Man in 2010, how both of them flopped Dracula Untold in 2014. In fact they tried to make Dracula Untold the first entery in the Dark Universe at the very last minute but when that movie underperformed, they decided to scrap that. So in 2016, they hired Alex Kurtzman and Chris Morgan to build up the Dark Universe and decided to begin with The Mummy movie and many mistakes were being made as a result.

      Before I list these mistakes, let's talk about the Mummy movie. First off I was not fully aware about the new Mummy movie until the last week of October when I watched the Nostalgia Critic's review of the much wildly known Mummy 1999 movie and the next week I saw his crossover review of the new Mummy movie and decided to research about this movie and the Dark Universe. I read reviews and saw so many flaws in that movie, in fact they were already planning on releasing more Dark Universe classic universe monster reboot movies and were planning on releasing the Bride of Frankenstein next in 2019 but the movie bombed, forcing Universal to delay the Bride of Frankenstein production that was suppose to be filming already and at the start of November, Alex Kurtzman and Chris Morgan was forced to leave the Dark Universe. Universal at this point has yet to officially announce the full fate of this cinematic universe and was reported to be reworking the Bride of Frankenstein.

      So what is wrong with the Mummy 2017 movie and the Dark Universe in general?

      ! - First off the movie does not even know what it wants to be. The tone is so inconsistent that at one point it's action/comedy and then the next it's suddenly horror. The movie tried to cram the shared universe already by introducing Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde in the movie along with the cameos of the Gill man's hand and the Vampire's skull. It does not even know if it wants to be a Mummy movie or a shared universe already.
      ! - Tom Cruise is miscasted in his role. The movie focus more on him then Mummy herself. In fact Tom Cruise may be mistaken for Brandan Fraser.
      ! - The movie does not take place in Egypt and it was a pretty dumb for the Ancient Egyptians to move Ahmanet's body to Ancient Iraq
      ! - While Ahmanet may look unique, her motivation is so messed up. First she wants to become queen, then her step-brother is born so she decided to kill her family and tried to release Set to unleash evil into the world. In fact she look like an Alien zombie with non-Egyptian writings on her face and was buried in a casket that was Egyptian in the flashback and thousands of years later, the casket looks alien. Plus she could tell the dagger is hidden in the statue but not the stone that was attached to it at the last minute? I believe Imhotep was turned into a female only to appease female audience. Ironically Alex did not want the mummy to be a male out of fear that he'll look like Apocalypse from X-Men but the mummy as a female looks like Enchetress from Sucide Squad.
      ! - The character developments are poor and the lines they speak are cliched.
      ! - They made the main character an US soldier instead of an archaeologist.
      ! - The writers are not horror writers, Alex Kurtzman and Chris Morgan are known for making action/comedy movies. Alex Kurtzman is worst when it comes to rebooting classics like Star Trek, Hawaii Five-O, Transformers and many others along with his partner Roberto Orci. Chris Morgan does Fast and Furious movies. The two were chosen only because wanted a miracle, they were expecting too much for the universe to be a success that they misjudged the two.
      ! - They allowed Tom Cruise to run the set, which affect the story of the movie. In fact Universal had Russell Crowe be Dr Jakyll/Mr. Hyde, they were also planning on making Johnny Depp the Invisible Man, while Javier Bardam and Angelina Joile to play the Frankenstein's monster and the Bride. Universal thought that by hiring big names would get people rushing to the theaters and movie ends up focusing too much on the actors.
      ! - The need to bring in Dr. Jekyll and his Prodigium organisation into the movie rather then have them lurk in the background in every movie first. They only appeared to mirror Nick Fury and the Shield orgenation.
      ! - The name Dark Universe is a dumb name, announcing the universe at the beginning of the movie without letting us decide first if we should like it or not is like cramming it down our throats and forcing us to be invested in it. You never do that. Marvel never did that as well. Back in 2008, they only announced the Iron Man movie and the Hulk movie, however they did not show Nick Fury and the Shield until the post-credits of Iron Man and made each movie focusing on one hero with his/her own story and saved up the shared universe until 2012.
      ! - You can tell how rushed the Mummy movie is. At the beginning, they started the movie with the Crusaders, then we jumped back to the modern times, and then we jumped back to Ancient Egypt, and then we jumped back to the modern times rather then doing it in a correct order. The ending does not make any sense as it supposedly hints a sequel but now Nick has Set inside of him with that huge sandstorm following him
      ! - Set is not a god of death
      ! - Why would you have this take place in a modern times? Since they announced Hunchback of Norte Dame reboot, it brings up some problems that it suppose to take place in Late Medieval Paris, how will they re-tell the story in modern times? Or how will Qusimodo survive to today if he was suppose to join the Prodigium?
      ! - Phantom of Opera and Qusimodo are not monsters, they are disfigured human beings.
      ! - Universal Monster Universe sounds more better then Dark Universe.
      ! - Why do the Bride of Frankenstein movie first. It's originally a sequel and it makes more sense to do the first Frankenstein movie. I believe this is another attempt to to appease femalist crowd. If this was to recapture the success of the 1935 version, I must say that It's a poor move because just because you were good at it before does not mean your gonna be good at it now and if you rehash the 1935 version, it won't be a success at all.
      ! - The Mummy provides nothing different, it's mostly a rehash of the 1931 and the 1999 version and copies other movies as well.
      ! - Not many people are unto the Classic Universal monsters and you can't market them the same way as the Marvel/DC heroes and the monsters do not have so much potiental unless you create new monsters.

      Again, it's just my opinion and you are free to disagree with me or not. I actually would love to see the classic monsters make their comeback and if Universal wants to bring them back, they need to do it right, make it fresh, create new monsters, drop the Dark Universe logo and bring in those who knows how to mix horrors with other genres right and think for the audience instead of money. I would not be surprised if they cancelled Dark Universe but if they want to do the Bride of Frankenstein, do a Frankenstein movie first.

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        @joekido:

        • Tom Cruise is miscasted in his role. The movie focus more on him then Mummy herself. In fact Tom Cruise may be mistaken for Brandan Fraser.

        Y

        Unless you're blind or haven't been paying much attention to the filmography of the two over the last 8 years it's virtually impossible to do this

        @joekido:

        • The character developments are poor and the lines they speak are cliched.

        Welcome to character writing 101.

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        • They made the main character an US soldier instead of an archaeologist.

        Which isn't that different from what Rick in the 99 Mummy was, and makes any prospective fighting scenes look less one sided in the favor of the grunts.

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        planning on making Johnny Depp the Invisible Man,

        I don't know if this is meta commentary on Depp's fading star or irony.

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        • Set is not a god of death

        I'll take "Did Not Do The Research" with a dash of "Depending On The Writer" and "Never Live It Down" Alex.

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        • Why would you have this take place in a modern times?

        Methinks because it would've been redundant to set this in the early 20th Century let alone any earlier.

        @joekido:

        Since they announced Hunchback of Norte Dame reboot, it brings up some problems that it suppose to take place in Late Medieval Paris, how will they re-tell the story in modern times? Or how will Qusimodo survive to today if he was suppose to join the Prodigium?

        Time travel shenanigans? Fish Out Of Temporal Water? Reincarnation?

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        • Phantom of Opera and Qusimodo are not monsters, they are disfigured human beings.

        …Aren't they considered monstrous looking beings though by some especially with the Phantom who went around killing people?

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        • Universal Monster Universe sounds more better then Dark Universe.

        Universal Monster Universe sounds redundant and kind of overlaps a bit with Legendary's Monsterverse.

        @joekido:

        • Why do the Bride of Frankenstein movie First? It's originally a sequel and it makes more since to do the first Frankenstein movie.

        Which would in effect be a rehashed setup of the original films? plus there's no guideline that states you can't do both at the same time.

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        I would not be surprised if they cancelled Dark Universe

        Well

        https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/alex-kurtzman-chris-morgan-exit-universal-monsterverse-1055854

        It's kind of on thin ice.

        Originally Posted by Ubiq

        I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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          Is humanity the most intelligent animal in the universe?

          http://luatthienma.com.vn/vi/thanh-l…-nhanh-cong-ty

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            @luatthienma12:

            Is humanity the most intelligent animal in the universe?

            After watching the news lately….I'd say no.

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              Random semi-related thoughts, I liked that Wolfman movie with Benicio from 2010. And the Hammer Dracula and Frankenstein movies by Terrence Fisher are some of my all time favs. The original Universal ones are also cool.

              I agree with your thoughts on this Dark Universe thing no doubt.

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                The popularity of cinematic universes (of which only Marvel and Star Wars have been successful) reminds of the 80s and 90s when trilogies were the in thing for hollywood to make.

                We got a few great trilogies and a lot of really awful sequels. Hollywood should stick to single movies instead.

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                  Harry Potter is the cinematic universe no one ever mentions for some reason, even though its 9 movies in and slated for at least 4 more.

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                    @RoboBlue:

                    The popularity of cinematic universes (of which only Marvel and Star Wars have been successful) reminds of the 80s and 90s when trilogies were the in thing for hollywood to make.

                    We got a few great trilogies and a lot of really awful sequels. Hollywood should stick to single movies instead.

                    What movie trilogies came out within the same decade? Besides the House Party Trilogy…..and Indiana Jones.

                    As for sticking to single movies not happening unless the movie bombs.

                    ......Which is why we won't get a sequel to the A-Team reboot movie fun as it was.

                    Originally Posted by Ubiq

                    I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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                      @Robby:

                      Harry Potter is the cinematic universe no one ever mentions for some reason, even though its 9 movies in and slated for at least 4 more.

                      Harry Potter hasn't done a big crossover movie yet, that's why. He really should, though.

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                      What movie trilogies came out within the same decade? Besides the House Party Trilogy…..and Indiana Jones.

                      As for sticking to single movies not happening unless the movie bombs.

                      ......Which is why we won't get a sequel to the A-Team reboot movie fun as it was.

                      Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit, the third Star Wars trilogy, the Disney's Aladdin trilogy, lots of stuff. The first and second Star Wars trilogies didn't all come out within the same decade, but there were no uneven gaps between the movies.

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                        When I saw the Mummy, I got there a little late so I missed the little "dark universe" title card at the beginning. I could go into more detail about what I thought of the movie, but me, my sister, and mother weren't really that impressed. We get home, I look up the film-

                        the three of us: "this was a cinematic universe???"

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                          @Robby:

                          Harry Potter is the cinematic universe no one ever mentions for some reason, even though its 9 movies in and slated for at least 4 more.

                          Well, I think part of the uniqueness and appeal of the cinematic "universes" is that it tells the stories of several characters who inhabit the same "universe". As many Harry Potter movies as there have been, most of them have still only focused on one character's story (Are Godzilla, Friday the 13th, and James Bond cinematic universes?). Of course, now that we've got Fantastic Beasts in the mix, you could probably make a case for it being a "universe" now.

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                            yeah, the guy who made the video "BATMAN V SUPERMAN: REALLY THAT BAD" said something like "Harry potter cinematic universe "

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                              The biggest mistake was starting with the mummy imo. I'm a pleb who doesn't care about movies and barely watches TV so I literally thought this was a The Mummy remake with Tom Cruise, which I don't have any interest in seeing. At best, it looks like an extended League of Extrodinary Gentlemen.

                              If ANYTHING they needed a younger popular character/actor to build around as a first movie. Maybe a hot Ichibod Crane or something. A wolfman but hot like Twilight. A Tom cruise mummy??? What is this, the 90s??

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                                What movie trilogies came out within the same decade? Besides the House Party Trilogy…..and Indiana Jones.

                                Lethal weapon
                                Back to the future
                                Mad Max
                                Evil Dead
                                Die Hard

                                And maybe
                                Jurrassic park
                                The godfather

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                                  Lethal weapon

                                  First movie came out in 1987, Second Movie 89, third movie dropped in 92

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                                  Back to the future

                                  85,89, 90

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                                  Mad Max

                                  79, 81, 85

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                                  Evil Dead

                                  81, 87, 92

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                                  Die Hard

                                  88, 90, 95

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                                  Jurrassic park

                                  93, 97, 01

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                                  The godfather

                                  72, 77, 90

                                  Originally Posted by Ubiq

                                  I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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                                    @Green_vs_Red:

                                    First movie came out in 1987, Second Movie 89, third movie dropped in 92
                                    85,89, 90
                                    79, 81, 85
                                    81, 87, 92
                                    88, 90, 95
                                    93, 97, 01
                                    72, 77, 90

                                    Yes, and ??

                                    Roboblue said "80s and 90s"

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                                      Yes, and ??

                                      Roboblue said "80s and 90s"

                                      I asked robo what movie trilogies had their indiviual films cone out within the same decade besides the two I mentioned.

                                      None of those trilogies/quad/quint you mentioned came in the same decade.

                                      Originally Posted by Ubiq

                                      I've often wondered about that myself; seems like being supported by people who only want you there so the world can end in fire (with you going to Hell in the process) would be somewhat off-putting

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                                        http://www.slashfilm.com/guillermo-del-toro-universal-monsters/

                                        I wonder what would happen if he has taken the role? He's much better then Alex and Chris

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